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« Reply #2161 on: December 07, 2014, 11:52:07 PM »
Wisdom teeth though! I had all four of mine out a few months ago, and they only used local anesthetic and some laughing gas. I was massively impressed with my dentist. They got the gas dosage just right so I wasn't nervous but wasn't giddy either, and he got the teeth out so gently that I felt close to normal after like two days (and started whining at my husband to let me eat solid food already). The worst symptom was just that I couldn't open my mouth all the way for a few weeks without my jaw cracking loudly and somewhat painfully. Went away on its own after a while.

I got all four of my wisdom teeth out when I was 15, which is apparently really early because I was the first of anyone I knew to get theirs out. I always assumed that everyone gets their wisdom teeth taken out when they're a teenager. I don't remember what they used to put me under, but I was out cold. Like, it didn't even feel like sleeping, it felt like I just blinked. I opened my eyes and saw that my mom was in the room and I thought "what's she doing here...?" and then she told me to get up and I almost said "but they haven't operated yet..." but then I realized. It was rather funny.

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« Reply #2162 on: December 08, 2014, 12:14:32 AM »
Awwww! *cuddles you all up* Don't be afraid of general anesthetic, bb, honestly. When I had my surgery a couple years back everyone told me horror stories about it, but in fact? It was lovely. I was getting rolled in to the OR, then suddenly I was waking up warm (they piled heated blankets on me to counteract the IV) and drowsy and happy as all get out.

Wisdom teeth though! I had all four of mine out a few months ago, and they only used local anesthetic and some laughing gas. I was massively impressed with my dentist. They got the gas dosage just right so I wasn't nervous but wasn't giddy either, and he got the teeth out so gently that I felt close to normal after like two days (and started whining at my husband to let me eat solid food already). The worst symptom was just that I couldn't open my mouth all the way for a few weeks without my jaw cracking loudly and somewhat painfully. Went away on its own after a while.
*accepts cuddle* 0A0 yeah.....I'm just terrified because my previous experiences with kinds of anesthetic have been poop. Our dentists don't have laughing gas :( and anesthetic is expensive so they don't use it unless they'll be sued for not using it or something. (They once got about 1/2 of the way through a root canal thing on my dad when they remembered to give him some O__O)
It's just the thought of lying there being vulnerable that completely horrifies me- heck, I can't stand the thought of people being around me when I'm asleep in everyday life, let alone on a hospital bed with people putting creepy tubes in my arm and throat and literally being in my face (they have to cut into my jaw whaaat) and and and then not being fully aware when I wake up or before I go in aggggh I just can't stand not being in control of my own body....
But, it's a fancy city specialist dentist because the original dentist was a crackpot (the local dentists didn't want to do the job so they referred me to a mysterious man who was CRAZY enough to do it, instead of SKILLED enough) but dad intervened and rearranged the whole thing.
The fancy dentist seems nice (he's my sisters's dentist) but I'm a tad worried that surgery will be postponed while they conduct a man hunt (with hounds) through the hospital grounds because I might go crazy and not go down without a fight O____O
It could happen. ;P
And then, I'll have to start third year with a crazy mouth and liquid diet!! Granted, a diet would probably do me good but not my soooouuuuul and general dignity and and....

I got all four of my wisdom teeth out when I was 15, which is apparently really early because I was the first of anyone I knew to get theirs out. I always assumed that everyone gets their wisdom teeth taken out when they're a teenager. I don't remember what they used to put me under, but I was out cold. Like, it didn't even feel like sleeping, it felt like I just blinked. I opened my eyes and saw that my mom was in the room and I thought "what's she doing here...?" and then she told me to get up and I almost said "but they haven't operated yet..." but then I realized. It was rather funny.

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Aw man, when I read "out cold" I suddenly went cold all over and there's sweat on my forehead aggghhhhhh

I was supposed to get mine out in college, but I had speaking exams (and I didn't want to make a fuss. I'm only being forced to get them out becUse my sister is getting hers out on the same day, by the same doctor, the same morning. My family really stitched me up there, they made it TOO CONVENIENT) so I put it off....for a few years....and now I don't have speaking exams anymore I can't make up any excuses to not gooooo ;____;
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Re: General Discussion Thread
« Reply #2163 on: December 08, 2014, 12:20:09 AM »
Nooo, you don't need to have fear. If he is CRAZY enough it just means he is the best at anything the other's refuse. I got all four out at once as well and it got me in bed only for a weak. But one of my cheek was big, plump and red when I received my final exam in school :D.

Everything will be fine *assures Owl* and you do not need to run away :).
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« Reply #2164 on: December 08, 2014, 12:34:42 AM »
Nooo, you don't need to have fear. If he is CRAZY enough it just means he is the best at anything the other's refuse. I got all four out at once as well and it got me in bed only for a weak. But one of my cheek was big, plump and red when I received my final exam in school :D.

Everything will be fine *assures Owl* and you do not need to run away :).
The recommended dude was really shady, trust me. His business card was in FRENCH SCRIPT. Nuh-uh. He wasn't any specialist either. The fancy guy is. Which is...better.

But that may not stop me from attempting to take down the surgery team and run away in a crazy state.... ;P
Agh I'm trying to make Christmas pies right now but my hands are shaking ridiculously what is going onnnnnn.
The other little issue I've got with the whole shebang is that it's...uh...badly timed. I'm going to be very low on iron (I need to see a doctor about it because it's just terrible) and happiness and patience and I'll already be drowsy and fainty enough without the fear-induced and anesthetic-induced drowsiness and faintiness ;___; waaaaaaahhhh maybe TMI but oh well
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« Reply #2165 on: December 08, 2014, 12:47:51 AM »
Is the forum currently laggy for you too?

Oh, here I thought it was the wifi on my tablet crapping out! Good to know it isn't just android lollipop being buggy.

*accepts cuddle* 0A0 yeah.....I'm just terrified because my previous experiences with kinds of anesthetic have been poop. Our dentists don't have laughing gas :( and anesthetic is expensive so they don't use it unless they'll be sued for not using it or something. (They once got about 1/2 of the way through a root canal thing on my dad when they remembered to give him some O__O)
It's just the thought of lying there being vulnerable that completely horrifies me- heck, I can't stand the thought of people being around me when I'm asleep in everyday life, let alone on a hospital bed with people putting creepy tubes in my arm and throat and literally being in my face (they have to cut into my jaw whaaat) and and and then not being fully aware when I wake up or before I go in aggggh I just can't stand not being in control of my own body....
But, it's a fancy city specialist dentist because the original dentist was a crackpot (the local dentists didn't want to do the job so they referred me to a mysterious man who was CRAZY enough to do it, instead of SKILLED enough) but dad intervened and rearranged the whole thing.
The fancy dentist seems nice (he's my sisters's dentist) but I'm a tad worried that surgery will be postponed while they conduct a man hunt (with hounds) through the hospital grounds because I might go crazy and not go down with a fight O____O
It could happen. ;P
And then, I'll have to start third year with a crazy mouth and liquid diet!! Granted, a diet would probably do me good but not my soooouuuuul and general dignity and and....
Aw man, when I read "out cold" I suddenly went cold all over and there's sweat on my forehead aggghhhhhh

*nods thoughtfully* You know, I had a friend who had that exact same phobia, and it came into play when she got her wisdom teeth too--she was terrified of both the vulnerability of being knocked out, and of the sense of not having control. What do you think would help you feel more comfortable? Maybe you could arrange a meeting to talk to the dentist beforehand, so that you can get to know him a little bit and develop a sense of trust. You could write down a list of questions to ask him--things about the procedure, or maybe just little things about him personally, like whether he has a family or why he became a dentist. Alternatively, ask if it's possible for someone to sit in on the procedure, your dad maybe, so that someone you trust is in the room while you're out. I had my hubby holding my hand through the whole procedure, and it helped more than any laughing gas.

And before you protest, none of that is unusual at all--most surgeons are happier if you do ask questions, especially if you're nervous, and are happy to make accommodations to make you more comfortable. Imagine being the dentist and operating on someone who was clearly terrified--of course they'll want to help you feel better, it makes their job easier and leads to good word of mouth for their office. There is nothing wrong with expressing your fears and asking for what you need!

ETA: TELL HIM YOU'RE ANEMIC. It is not as crucial for him to know as your anxiety, but both are very important. He's going to be performing surgery on you! He absolutely needs to know these things! And while you're at it: don't forget to breathe. Seriously. Right now. Clear your mind, think of nothing, and concentrate on breathing deeply and evenly for a minute. When you're anxious you breathe more shallowly, causing you to become more anxious because you're not getting as much air. Don't forget to take care of yourself!
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« Reply #2166 on: December 08, 2014, 01:04:28 AM »
*nods thoughtfully* You know, I had a friend who had that exact same phobia, and it came into play when she got her wisdom teeth too--she was terrified of both the vulnerability of being knocked out, and of the sense of not having control. What do you think would help you feel more comfortable? Maybe you could arrange a meeting to talk to the dentist beforehand, so that you can get to know him a little bit and develop a sense of trust. You could write down a list of questions to ask him--things about the procedure, or maybe just little things about him personally, like whether he has a family or why he became a dentist. Alternatively, ask if it's possible for someone to sit in on the procedure, your dad maybe, so that someone you trust is in the run while you're out. I had my hubby holding my hand through the while procedure, and it helped more than I can say.

And before you protest, none of that is unusual at all--most surgeons are happier if you do ask questions, especially if you're nervous, and are happy to make accommodations to make you more comfortable. Imagine being the dentist and operating on someone who was clearly terrified--of course they'll want to help you feel better, it makes their job easier and leads to good word of mouth for their office. There is nothing wrong with expressing your fears and asking for what you need!
That's the thing though, I can handle stuff better with new people then people I "trust"- they're exactly the people I dread seeing me asleep, or having to rely on for some reason :/

Eg: my doctor talks to me more about school than anything medical, which is fine, but then she goes and completely throws my trust out the window and let's the trainee nurse operate on my arm when she said she'd do it herself. The operation was botched about 4 times and now there's a giant red hole in my arm where it's visible! And I felt a bit used. I just feel that people I know well will think they can take advantage of me because they think they can because we're close...? If that makes any sense? Like, when I go and make a new friend it's great, but then when they consider us good friends I suddenly feel the need to distance myself from them a whole lot, which is a horrible thing to do :(

Heh, the vulnerable thing. I'm faaaaar more comfortable out-psyching a 2 tonne angry bull and risking being trampled to death, then the whole out cold thing or even worse: out cold with people I know there u___u
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« Reply #2167 on: December 08, 2014, 01:39:11 AM »
That's the thing though, I can handle stuff better with new people then people I "trust"- they're exactly the people I dread seeing me asleep, or having to rely on for some reason :/

Eg: my doctor talks to me more about school than anything medical, which is fine, but then she goes and completely throws my trust out the window and let's the trainee nurse operate on my arm when she said she'd do it herself. The operation was botched about 4 times and now there's a giant red hole in my arm where it's visible! And I felt a bit used. I just feel that people I know well will think they can take advantage of me because they think they can because we're close...? If that makes any sense? Like, when I go and make a new friend it's great, but then when they consider us good friends I suddenly feel the need to distance myself from them a whole lot, which is a horrible thing to do :(

Heh, the vulnerable thing. I'm faaaaar more comfortable out-psyching a 2 tonne angry bull and risking being trampled to death, then the whole out cold thing or even worse: out cold with people I know there u___u

Agh! *throws things at your doctor*

But okay, so it sounds like you'd be much more comfortable with a strictly professional relationship with your dentist. So when you contact him--please do, I will reach straight over the wires and hit you with a Nerf bat, I swear I will--keep the questions strictly about the procedure. It is, for example, okay to request that he not small talk with you, or that he explain things to you exactly as they will be done with no variation at all. And when you're talking about the anxiety, there is no need to make it an emotional sharing thing. It is a physical reaction to the procedure, which he can take steps to mitigate just like he can use anesthetic to mitigate the pain. Even of you have no idea what he could do to help at all, still contact him about it. The point is to open this line of communication.

And again, this is all about what makes you personally comfortable. If you think having death metal blaring as you fall asleep would help, so be it. This is your body, and this whole deal is in service of you and your health. There is no reason why you should have to feel like this is something being done to you--as opposed to for you. The dentist is there to provide you a service. Just think of him as a robot there to carry out your will and get those frikkin' teeth out so you can get on with your life.

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« Reply #2168 on: December 08, 2014, 01:44:59 AM »
*nods thoughtfully* You know, I had a friend who had that exact same phobia, and it came into play when she got her wisdom teeth too--she was terrified of both the vulnerability of being knocked out, and of the sense of not having control.

What do you think would help you feel more comfortable? Maybe you could arrange a meeting to talk to the dentist beforehand, so that you can get to know him a little bit and develop a sense of trust. You could write down a list of questions to ask him--things about the procedure, or maybe just little things about him personally, like whether he has a family or why he became a dentist.

Alternatively, ask if it's possible for someone to sit in on the procedure, your dad maybe, so that someone you trust is in the room while you're out. I had my hubby holding my hand through the whole procedure, and it helped more than any laughing gas.

And before you protest, none of that is unusual at all--most surgeons are happier if you do ask questions, especially if you're nervous, and are happy to make accommodations to make you more comfortable. Imagine being the dentist and operating on someone who was clearly terrified--of course they'll want to help you feel better, it makes their job easier and leads to good word of mouth for their office. There is nothing wrong with expressing your fears and asking for what you need!

ETA: TELL HIM YOU'RE ANEMIC. It is not as crucial for him to know as your anxiety, but both are very important. He's going to be performing surgery on you! He absolutely needs to know these things!

And while you're at it: don't forget to breathe. Seriously. Right now. Clear your mind, think of nothing, and concentrate on breathing deeply and evenly for a minute. When you're anxious you breathe more shallowly, causing you to become more anxious because you're not getting as much air. Don't forget to take care of yourself!

Hushpiper has great advice!  I wish I'd had this kind of guidance before I started facing scary medical procedures.  (Or scary anything, really.)

I have had a lot of dental work, including getting all 4 of my wisdom teeth out around age 15 too.  (As did both my brothers -- we all inherited great big teeth from my mom's family and narrow jaws from my father's family.  Thanks, folks.)

Luckily, in that surgery I had the same out-cold experience as Piney.  It wasn't a ton of fun recovering (especially because I came down with a bad cold in the process), but it was totally endurable.  I had the same easy anesthesia a couple of years ago when I had to have a bunch of tissue removed from my throat (to address sleep apnea), and when I've had various adult-type medical tests that require sedation. 

I may have an advantage, though -- my grandfather was a doctor and my mother is totally "Dr. Mom," so I grew up around people who don't tense up in medical situations.  (Which is good, because my parents have had to go to the hospital or the dentist a lot.  I think Minna said something about her family being the same way...)

For lesser dental work, i.e. where it's just a local anesthetic, not a general one, I've developed a crude kind of self-hypnosis.  Basically, I distract myself by thinking about something complicated, either multiplication problems or remembering all the words in Hawaiian that I know. 

And before you say, "Well, it's easy for you -- you have nerves of steel," I was reminded of my limitations in a very humbling way.  Shortly before I had my sleep-apnea operation, I signed up for an experiment in which the researchers measure your sleep patterns while inside an electro-magnetic-resonance image.... whatchamacallit... (I'm sure somebody here remembers what it's called.)  Basically, one of those helmet things that measures your brain activity in different parts. 

I had to be stuffed head-first into one of those and try to fall asleep while the machine made a rhythmic clanking louder than when you put tennis shoes in the dryer.  (THUNK-a, THUNK-a, THUNK-a, and not even a Donna Summers vocal to accompany it...)

It turned out I am severely claustrophobic!  Aaaaggghhh!  If I were poor Winston Smith in "1984," and got sent to Room 101, they wouldn't have to threaten me with rats -- just put my head in a plastic cylinder. 

I tried my hardest to dissociate myself from my unattractive, fluorescent-lit surroundings and picture myself out on the prairie, gazing up into a limitless, starlit night sky.  No dice. 

The experimenters could tell from the way my nails were digging into my palms that I was never going to relax enough for the study to work.  After several tries, they pulled me out of the death tube MRI and said I was free to go. 

It occurs to me now that if one of the handsome research assistants had distracted me by massaging my feet (or something), I probably wouldn't have had the mental bandwidth to freak out about the helmet.  Hmmm... I wonder if the National Institutes of Health have grants to look into non-chemical anesthetic techniques?   ;)


EDIT:  A few months ago, my younger brother had to have an MRI test.  And he, the big tough athlete, panicked the same way I did.  Liquid Valium, intravenously, did the trick for him.  (I couldn't have it in the experiment *because* it was an experiment -- they were trying to see what natural, unsedated brain waves look like.)

My point is just that there *are* solutions that may not be evident on first sight.


More seriously, I think Hushpiper is absolutely on target with her advice on how to address your anxieties (both the original message and her update).

I wish you all the best!
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« Reply #2169 on: December 08, 2014, 08:43:10 AM »
I don't wether the same saying exists in the US, but at that situation I would not have wanted being inside you skin. Like every kind of panic descripted that sounds really nasty.

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« Reply #2170 on: December 08, 2014, 09:52:10 AM »
I always assumed that everyone gets their wisdom teeth taken out when they're a teenager.
I would guess that that's the preferred age range to do the surgery, but it's nonetheless some of a guessing game who to do it on and there'll always be some where the decision has to be reconsidered after the fact. (And in spite of being old enough to grump back at Trond, mine are still present. Or, more precisely, hidden far enough down in the gums to be out of the way.)

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I just can't stand not being in control of my own body....
I don't have the slightest whether you'll find this helpful, but: If "(single-handedly) in control of my own body" applied to this topic in the first place, you would've willed your wisdom teeth to leave your mouth Jack-in-a-Box-style by now. Receiving some assistance in reestablishing control over your body is what the whole thing is about.

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« Reply #2171 on: December 08, 2014, 10:18:49 AM »
I know I'm beaing a space cadet most of the time, but today it is excessive. What is the Christian holiday today someone has mentioned in other topic? Google isn't in the mood to tell me anything specific.
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« Reply #2172 on: December 08, 2014, 10:25:39 AM »
In Germany it's this one, though it is not celebrated around here.
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« Reply #2173 on: December 08, 2014, 10:30:55 AM »
The recommended dude was really shady, trust me. His business card was in FRENCH SCRIPT. Nuh-uh. He wasn't any specialist either. The fancy guy is. Which is...better.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who judges people based on their typographic choices.

On a more serious note...I don't really have any advice to offer (though hushpiper's is really good) :( but have some virtual hugs *hugs*

I know I'm beaing a space cadet most of the time, but today it is excessive. What is the Christian holiday today someone has mentioned in other topic? Google isn't in the mood to tell me anything specific.
Okay, the question's kinda stupid, yes *facepalms in shame*

Google is not telling me either. Apparently it's a Catholic thing? But since I am not Catholic I wouldn't know... (Nimphy, come help us....)

EDIT: I took too long typing. Thanks for enlightening us, kex!

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« Reply #2174 on: December 08, 2014, 10:38:33 AM »
I'm glad I'm not the only person who judges people based on their typographic choices.

On a more serious note...I don't really have any advice to offer (though hushpiper's is really good) :( but have some virtual hugs *hugs*

Google is not telling me either. Apparently it's a Catholic thing? But since I am not Catholic I wouldn't know... (Nimphy, come help us....)

EDIT: I took too long typing. Thanks for enlightening us, kex!

Not catholic, myth, but it's called Avvento in Italy, something like the announcement of the birth of Jesus, if I'm not mistaken.
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