Wiki discussion

[Lenny]

You don't want to know what one can do with the xmodmap command on unixoid machines running an X11-based GUI.

Today's nigh-infallible Swiss pocket knife to posting weird characters in fora is to bookmark pertinent pages and use the mouse to copy-paste them from one browser window/tab into another. There are only two de facto standard character sets in the history of the WWW, the original ISO-Latin-1 and the current Unicode, as opposed to the myriad charsets that some machine's OS might have set as default.

Urgh, I may want to sometime (not because of actual want, just a quick skim on articles about it makes my very fatigued inner voice go "Does it really need to be this involved?", rather because of need). Depends how far I actually get into computers. I'm leaning towards gaming design/programming at the moment, rather than actually working with computers themselves, but it might change depending on how much I like doing the network setup course I'm doing atm. I tend to go all the way if I get hooked on something.

I suppose it shows how tired I've been that I didn't think of that problem myself (even without significant knowledge on the subject it should be obvious with a bit of thought, haha...). Windows would use Windows-1252, I'm assuming. I usually only use accented characters for communication (the amount of websites I frequent and/or edit that use accented characters in urls, or anything at all, is negligible at best), and the Swiss pocket knife method is time consuming when you want to type the essay/email/chat message quickly... changing the layout to U.S. International is best for that use, I've found.

Ooof, you know, by following those links, I now have 10 tabs open on articles on all sorts of things. Read through each at least twice. I was planning to sleep early today, haha... ah well, learnt new things! Which I'm also going to research more on, this is quite interesting. But not now Put off sleep long enough.

[JoB]

As someone with an english keyboard, I absolutely welcome the idea of the accentless re-directs. I'll pop over and have a look at how they work in a second! Let me know if you need help with it.

EDIT: also, do you guys know if it's possible to link to a section of an internal page? Like, if I want a link to go to one of the prologue characters, if I put in the actual URL (such as blahblahblah/Prologue_Characters#Arni), it treats it as an external link... any way around that?

Wikia seems to use the "#" as an escape char for some special trickery, too, so likely no.

I guess I'll have to take the lack of naysaying as a "go" for the accentless page redirects.

In a similar vein, I noticed that searching the wiki for, e.g., "Thor" does not turn up, e.g., Árnis entry on the Prologue Characters page. I couldn't find anything about adding keywords or invisible text to Wikia pages so as to allow accentless text "redirects", anyone got an idea short of going for outright localization (which would IIUC entail that the accentless version might become the displayed one)?

EDIT: I just made a redirection page, no less, named "Arni Thor Reynisson" and redirecting to "Prologue Characters#Árni Þór Reynisson" - and it works as documented. Must've been the "blahblahblah/" part that gummed up the works in your test. (Not feasible to use redirection pages for every accentless name for a keyword/section we might want to have, though, I'm afraid.)

EDIT 2: To edit a redirect, use it once (which will display the target page), then click the link in the "redirected from ..." inserted at the target page's top. (Which effectively appends a "?redirect=no" to the URL.)

[Solovei]

Wikia seems to use the "#" as an escape char for some special trickery, too, so likely no.

I guess I'll have to take the lack of naysaying as a "go" for the accentless page redirects.

In a similar vein, I noticed that searching the wiki for, e.g., "Thor" does not turn up, e.g., Árnis entry on the Prologue Characters page. I couldn't find anything about adding keywords or invisible text to Wikia pages so as to allow accentless text "redirects", anyone got an idea short of going for outright localization (which would IIUC entail that the accentless version might become the displayed one)?

EDIT: I just made a redirection page, no less, named "Arni Thor Reynisson" and redirecting to "Prologue Characters#Árni Þór Reynisson" - and it works as documented. Must've been the "blahblahblah/" part that gummed up the works in your test. (Not feasible to use redirection pages for every accentless name for a keyword/section we might want to have, though, I'm afraid.)

EDIT 2: To edit a redirect, use it once (which will display the target page), then click the link in the "redirected from ..." inserted at the target page's top. (Which effectively appends a "?redirect=no" to the URL.)

Hmmm, I think I see how it worked with Arni's entry at least, but are we going to make those for every single character and entry that has accented characters in it? That will probably unnecessarily inflate our page count and will probably be tedious and confusing.  I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I just wanted to know the extent of this...

[JoB]

That will probably unnecessarily inflate our page count and will probably be tedious and confusing.  I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I just wanted to know the extent of this...

Redirects aren't included in the official page count (as shown on the entry page), but they are listed (in italics) among the "All Pages".

We currently have 11 pages (out of 53) with accented characters in their title. As for section( title)s with accented characters ... IIRC only for the secondary characters, and that's 12 right now. Those could drown out the actual pages in the long run, I suppose.

I just notice that searching for "Thor" still doesn't provide a match leading to Árni, in spite of the redirect in presence, so those fail to serve the intended purpose, anyway. (Searching for "Bjorkofjarden" does turn up the redirect to "Björköfjärden" - WTH!?) I'll leave it there for the moment, in case we want to run some more tests, though.

[Solovei]

You seem to be vastly more qualified for this than I am, JoB XD
But, even if the secondary character thing doesn't work, do you want me to make redirects for all the other accented pages?

EDIT: Okay, I made one for the Dalahästen! I think I did it right... If you search for just "Dalahasten", it has the "redirected from..." thing in the results, which I guess means it worked?

[JoB]

You seem to be vastly more qualified for this than I am, JoB XD

For the little tech snags, maybe. Not so in terms of time (I get sent out to external projects occasionally), human interaction, etc., I'm afraid.

EDIT: Okay, I made one for the Dalahästen! I think I did it right... If you search for just "Dalahasten", it has the "redirected from..." thing in the results, which I guess means it worked?

Yeah, I guess that that's what it means. (EDIT EDIT: Congrats, you made all ten still-missing ones. )

[Solovei]

I'm also going to make a wordmark/logo for the top, I know Nimphy was going to for a while but I thought I'd give it a shot. I'll make several versions and post them here so people can say which one they like best.

[JoB]

Totally different question: I've seen the question of "Y no survivors from heeeeere!?" raised (and answered) on the forum (again) and am thinking about writing a summary that we can just link to in the future. That would, of course, not be just a collection of in-story facts, but at least partially an opinion piece. Should that be made into a Wikia article, and if yes, what should the category be ("FAQs"? "Discussions"? "Opinions"?)? Or should I rather try giving the Wikia User's Blog feature a spin?

[Fimbulvarg]

Why not make an article about the comic itself and add it as a subsection. For instance, you could add a premise or concept section where you include what Minna has stated about that particular issue so far:

Ehh, I wanted to write a Nordic postapocalyptic story, and therefore I've established survival lines and story concepts that let me do that. Not really trying to discriminate against Anglophones or anything.

Oh, and this info is useful too.

I'll eventually make an illustrated chart of the most common professions in each category, but peasants is mostly farmers, (food)hunters, fishers and craftsmen, while academics are the properly educated people like doctors, skalds (historians) scholars(scientists and researchers), mechanics and politicians. And military is pretty self-explanatory.

[JoB]

Why not make an article about the comic itself and add it as a subsection.

Hmmm, hmm, hmmmm. With the kinda rant I have brewing in the back of my mind, I'm really not sure whether that'll work out proportion-wise. A bit like introducing an ant 'cause it's on-topic, and then trying to slip the elephant into its pocket.

Also, some of the points are about what Minna possibly could do in the future that are not only not canon now, but not even rumoured about ...

(I guess I'll do some "duh" blog post today and find out about their technical properties - can they be edited? by whom? etc. -, maybe that'll make the route to go clearer already.)

[Fimbulvarg]

Hmmm, hmm, hmmmm. With the kinda rant I have brewing in the back of my mind, I'm really not sure whether that'll work out proportion-wise. A bit like introducing an ant 'cause it's on-topic, and then trying to slip the elephant into its pocket.

A speculations article then? Or several if you're really going to go all out.

[Solovei]

I remember something in the rules about theories and speculation... here, I think?
http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Nimphy_I/The_Stand_Still,_Stay_Silent_Wiki_is_alive!!
Personally I'd rather keep speculations out of the wiki, and reserve it for things we KNOW through canon (the comic)... an FAQ could be helpful but again, I don't want to overstep our boundaries.

Also, I wanted to get your opinions on this: http://maps.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_Wiki?utm_source=General&utm_medium=Social%20Media&utm_campaign=Hootsuite

It seems to be a well-suited addition to the wiki, given how many maps we already have floating around. I haven't played with it yet, BUT there's also that custom SSSS google map that some amazing people on the forum and myself have put together (it's stickied in the other discussion board), so I'd love to be able to share that on the wiki somehow as well. Maybe embed it somehow?

Still working on the wordmarks/logo images. It's been a while since I've done graphic design so I'm a bit rusty. Here's a couple possible ones I did so far:

[JoB]

I remember something in the rules about theories and speculation... here, I think?

Personally I'd rather keep speculations out of the wiki, and reserve it for things we KNOW through canon (the comic)... an FAQ could be helpful but again, I don't want to overstep our boundaries.

Indeed, it says right there that there should be no speculations in articles ...

... time for me to summarize what I found out about wiki users' blog entries, then. They appear on the wiki's "recent blog posts" for a while, the long-term access mode is to look at the list of the specific user's blog posts. They can be edited, but only by their author, plus they have the same comments mechanism as articles do. Last not least, you need to be careful about the title, because the URL of a blog post includes that (just like with article titles).

(Here's my guinea pig, FWIW. With infos about accentless searches for texts other than page titles.)

Sounds like a suitable vehicle for personal opinions to me, but there is still the possibility that The Rules' use of the term "article" (56 on the SSSS Wikia so far) is intended to cover all types of pages (364, says the magic counter), of course ... ?

[Solovei]

Indeed, it says right there that there should be no speculations in articles ...

... time for me to summarize what I found out about wiki users' blog entries, then. They appear on the wiki's "recent blog posts" for a while, the long-term access mode is to look at the list of the specific user's blog posts. They can be edited, but only by their author, plus they have the same comments mechanism as articles do. Last not least, you need to be careful about the title, because the URL of a blog post includes that (just like with article titles).

(Here's my guinea pig, FWIW. With infos about accentless searches for texts other than page titles.)

Sounds like a suitable vehicle for personal opinions to me, but there is still the possibility that The Rules' use of the term "article" (56 on the SSSS Wikia so far) is intended to cover all types of pages (364, says the magic counter), of course ... ?

Oh, sorry! I guess I misunderstood. Go ahead and put that in a blog post then, if you want.

[ThisCat]

Should we eventually add pages on the paper versions of the books? I feel like we should, but I don't know. Something like "these are the books that have come out 'till now, this is what's in them and this is what they look like."