Survivor communities outside the known world

[urbicande]

As for "manageable" the rash seemed to be first lethal a lethal strain, and at the moment it is speculated that Trollification (took the liberty to use a totally made up word) mutates sometime between tear 0 and 90.

I'd speculate that the Rash is fatal in more cases than not and trollification happens when someone is almost immune, but not quite.  Otherwise, there'd be a LOT more trolls.

[Vafhudr]

So we learned an interesting factoid in the last update.

Trolls don't like crap building, probably because they provide poor protection from the elements.

So I guess large swaths of North America is going to be difficult for the trolls to live in.

[Koeshi]

I'd speculate that the Rash is fatal in more cases than not and trollification happens when someone is almost immune, but not quite.  Otherwise, there'd be a LOT more trolls.

Well 90 years have passed to thin their ranks.  Accidents, attacks and possibly other diseases could have killed off many of the infected.  Plus many will have merged to form Giants.  As well as this I expect that those few immune that were trapped in what is now the Silent World probably did their best to take as many with them as possible.

[Snommelp]

So we learned an interesting factoid in the last update.

Trolls don't like crap building, probably because they provide poor protection from the elements.

So I guess large swaths of North America is going to be difficult for the trolls to live in.

Confirmed today, crap buildings are bad for trolls because they don't provide protection from the elements. However, it's doubtful that any part of North America below a certain latitude will get cold enough for that to become a huge issue. I'm feeling too lazy right now to figure out exactly what latitude that would be, but I'd say that anything south of the Mason Dixon line won't have winters cold enough. Mexico and Central America are gone. The northern US and Canada are iffy.

[Koeshi]

Confirmed today, crap buildings are bad for trolls because they don't provide protection from the elements. However, it's doubtful that any part of North America below a certain latitude will get cold enough for that to become a huge issue. I'm feeling too lazy right now to figure out exactly what latitude that would be, but I'd say that anything south of the Mason Dixon line won't have winters cold enough. Mexico and Central America are gone. The northern US and Canada are iffy.

To be honest even if many of the buildings are of questionable quality, there will still be many places sturdy enough to provide protection.  There are of course the modern buildings that are simply better quality but there are also churches, electrical/water stations, older buildings, prisons, hospitals, etc.  Not to mention that the sewers are always a good bet for avoiding the cold in winter and I doubt Trolls are going to be squeamish about it.

[Snommelp]

To be honest even if many of the buildings are of questionable quality, there will still be many places sturdy enough to provide protection.  There are of course the modern buildings that are simply better quality but there are also churches, electrical/water stations, older buildings, prisons, hospitals, etc.  Not to mention that the sewers are always a good bet for avoiding the cold in winter and I doubt Trolls are going to be squeamish about it.

Very true. There are a lot of modern and not-so-modern buildings that were built to last, and which would provide adequate protection for trolls even above the latitude where winters would become unbearable. Harvard's campus, as an example, would probably still be almost entirely intact, and be a nice refuge for trolls.

[Koeshi]

Ah yes, should have added universities to that list, they tend to be of better build quality than normal buildings (or at least parts of them).  I'm sure all those winding corridors and side doors would be fun to clear in the search of forgotten knowledge.

[Vafhudr]

Even if some modern buildings are technically better made than those of the past, many of them lack the qualities that some building of times before central and electrical heating. A lot of modern buildings are complete bogus when it comes to heat retention or cooling since they compensate with more modern technological means.

[Snommelp]

Even if some modern buildings are technically better made than those of the past, many of them lack the qualities that some building of times before central and electrical heating. A lot of modern buildings are complete bogus when it comes to heat retention or cooling since they compensate with more modern technological means.

Eh... yes and no. Heating without heat retention costs a lot of money, and people like not having to spend all that money. Fiberglass insulation is relatively inexpensive (especially compared to the long-term cost of having a house with no insulation) and has a lifespan of around 100 years or so under ideal conditions. Though I suppose you could consider fiberglass insulation to be one of those "more modern technological means."

[urbicande]

Harvard's campus, as an example, would probably still be almost entirely intact, and be a nice refuge for trolls.

So it wouldn't change at all in 90 years?

[princeofdoom]

Actually on the matter of cold winters, any deserts would be likely to be bad for trolls. I lived in Southern California most of my life out in the Mojave Desert and winter nights could get down to 15 F/-9 C. If they just need freezing cold, deserts even far south would work. If it needs to be colder, or cold during the day as well, then not so much.

Plus a lot of the buildings, at least where I lived, were basically thrown up (crap buildings) and wouldn't last 90 years.

[Ankh117]

(Little late to the discussion)

I live in Colorado and if I had to think where pockets of survivors would be located, I'd say out east of the Rockies where the plains are located which means plenty of farmland or up into the Rockies as well as the high deserts. Towns like Ouray, Durango, Fort Morgan, and maybe Estes Park, might survive due to the smaller populations, while cities like Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs would be screwed (and that's probably including the towns located closest to the cities). Hell South Park might actually grow into a town (it's actually three buildings in reality). However surviving here means having to account for our weather system which can swing a lot. In the spring there can be snow or rain, usually lots more snow, until May where it begins to rain...a lot. Summers are typically sunny until where it can switch to an afternoon thunderstorm. The weather here would give trolls and beasts plenty of time looking for more prey, so it would be a matter of people being really vigilant.

Since we're also a landlocked state, we'd have to rely on the transport of goods which would most likely be a really dangerous job.

[Superdark33]

North Sentinel Island might survive.

1. No living human ever set foot in it since a long time (unless you count being chased out of there in 2004 to be a visit [After the tsunami Indian officials went there to see if these guys are still alive. they were.])

2. No living human ever CONSIDERS to go near it, as the locals kill on sight anyone who comes near (and try to shoot down HELICOPTERS that come to extract the corpses!)


(This post is partially a joke.)

[Amity]

North Sentinel Island might survive.

1. No living human ever set foot in it since a long time (unless you count being chased out of there in 2004 to be a visit [After the tsunami Indian officials went there to see if these guys are still alive. they were.])

2. No living human ever CONSIDERS to go near it, as the locals kill on sight anyone who comes near (and try to shoot down HELICOPTERS that come to extract the corpses!)

Now see, that's what I'm talking about!

[LadyRamkin]

I am not sure if I missed this some where, but do Troll migrate? Do beasts? If they do not, and if they only stick to the areas surrounding cities, then there will be much larger pockets of human colonies.