Survivor communities outside the known world

[Alpy]

It might seem weird but I might say Turkey might have some survivors. So let me explain.

First the geographic reasons (open up a geographical map of Turkey):
-The Black Sea coast is quiet similar to the Norwegian coast with lots of mountains and isolated places, so it isn't unlikely that some communities might survive. On the plus side, there isn't any whales in the Black Sea so no whale trolls! In the east, we have lots of mountains and it tends to get really cold there, even in summer in higher places. Additionally, the mountains block most of the humidity so inland regions are very dry, and I assume that beast,trolls and giants like humidity being slimy and all. It might be relatively safe in the east. Inner Anatolia, who lacks the cold and mountains of the East might even be somewhat manageable like in Sweden. So a good portion of Turkey can survive the disease, although I don't think the West and the South can survive (aka they are ducked).

Now the industrial reasons:
-Turkey has a lot a arable land in different places. One of the biggest producers is Konya. It is in inner Anatolia and quiet flat. With proper techniques it could produce food without much threat. Even without our main producers, there are a lot small and isolated places in the mountains that could support isolated populations. Plus there is the seas which could support quiet a big population. Other than that we still have a lot of heavy industry and natural resources. Most of the industry and resources is located in the North. In the case of an apocalypse, industry might survive to an extent even on a smaller scale.

Last reason: Military

- Turkey has a strong military. We have also have a strong gun culture, although not as strong as in the US. In East especially, where the Army sometimes arms locals in villages to eventually protect themselves. The Navy is not half bad either. At first, they might be able to stop the flow of infected from the sea and eventually try to cleanse some islands. Small ones in Aegean at first, and even bigger ones like Cyprus (although it might end up like the danes).


So it's my initial thoughts. So what do you think?

[Hrollo]

Eastern Anatolia has been mentionned has a possible zone of survival yeah, due to the unusually cold climate spot in that area, when the rest of the countries on that lattitude are mediterranean. So bits of Turkey, but also of Iran and of the Caucasian republics, could survive in that region, yeah; there's a major obstacle though: most of the region has high population density, and even the lesser populated area are still rather dense compared to the areas of Scandinavia that survived.

[snotra]

Eastern Anatolia has been mentionned has a possible zone of survival yeah, due to the unusually cold climate spot in that area, when the rest of the countries on that lattitude are mediterranean. So bits of Turkey, but also of Iran and of the Caucasian republics, could survive in that region, yeah; there's a major obstacle though: most of the region has high population density, and even the lesser populated area are still rather dense compared to the areas of Scandinavia that survived.

Another reason would be a far closer proximity to ground zero, being the Mediterranean coast.

[Nefelpitou]

I can't see that happening. There's a WHOLE lot of infrastructure that goes into building and maintaining these things. There certainly aren't going to be any in Y90.  They'd undoubtedly hold out for a while, but then they'd need to just come  in to port somewhere.

Does Iceland have any nuclear technology? Cause if they do it wouldn't be too hard - supposedly they're advanced enough to offer effective IVF

[Vafhudr]

http://www.mfa.is/foreign-policy/disarmament/issues/nuclear-issues/

No, they don't, beyond some stuff to track cancer.

[Alpy]

http://i.imgur.com/4xeek.jpg

Well, the population density isn't that great. Plus we have some US nuclear bombs and relatively strong air force. It might be hard but, with enough firepower things might be okay-ish. It also depends where disease came from. I always assumed the rash came from West Africa and brought to Europe through Spain. If it is like that, Turkey and Iran might have enough time to take some precautions to ensure survival. It might not be even be intentional. Some generals might feel like stuff is going down, and take precautions on their own.

Plus, another question. Does anyone who is infected become a troll? Because, if only a certain percentage of the infected become monsters and then add the biomass of the others to itself, it might be manageable (which might bring hope to a lot of other regions).

[Snommelp]

It also depends where disease came from. I always assumed the rash came from West Africa and brought to Europe through Spain.

Minna was rather vague about the exact origins of the disease, and probably intentionally. If I recall correctly, the only thing we have ever been told about patients zero is that they were illegal refugees who arrived in Spain. Nothing about their nationality/nationalities.

[Alpy]

I thought that the refugees in Spain weren't the patients zero, but they were running from it.

[Snommelp]

I thought that the refugees in Spain weren't the patients zero, but they were running from it.

The refugees are the first ones we ever hear about (and the only ones that Year Zero news media ever make mention of). If they aren't the patient zeroes, then that just makes the origin even more mysterious.

[Amity]

Another reason would be a far closer proximity to ground zero, being the Mediterranean coast.

Well, the presumed ground zero.  We don't actually know if Spain was where the disease originated, only where it was first reported.  See the history of "the Spanish flu" for an example of how misleading that can be -- possibly something Minna was explicitly referencing.

[Amity]

So it's my initial thoughts. So what do you think?

Interesting... I envisioned the Aegean islands being a major stronghold of survivors, for similar reasons as Iceland and the Finnish lake islands, but a remote enough land-based area would work the same way as Dalsnes.

In fact there might be a whole separate story unfolding among descendents of Greeks, Turks, and maybe some Egyptians all on an adventure of their own to recover the treasures of Istanbul or Athens -- complete with wacky language comedy and edgy but amicable missed cultural cues!

[Cancvas]

So greek gods and Oracles about. I wouldn't like to be on Oassis on Eufrat-Tigris desert with Babylonian, Assyrian etc. god about. Saharan desert Oassis with Egyptian god and sons of gods might be slightly better. Hmm... Mexico might not be nice place, possibly neither Andes. And isolation might cause serious problems as in Eastern Island on pacific ocean. 

[Anton]

Alright, so I'm still fairly new to the forum, but I've so far read through the whole thread. Took me some time.
Anyway, while wondering about the state of the rest of the world, and one of the things most prominent in my mind stuck out a bit, so I deicided to see what you guys think.
So I of course thought of my very own interpretation of a survivor community, and what I first imagined has been talked about a bit already, but it seemed more like a scratch on the surface of what I invented:

While looking at possible survivor communities, a lot of people mentioned shintoism emerging again, and that this could be used in creating wards from trolls.
From chapter 1 i am assuming that the ancient deities now worshipped are actually able to provide help against the trolls: http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=84 here vellamo seems to be protecting the boat.
 
Now of course, in other countries other gods are worshipped.
Particularly interesting are the celtic gods.
We've already established that due to trolls, beasts, giants and the general population los from the rash any normal communit on the mainland would be very much ducked.
But what if there was a surviving community that was protected by their own deities?
I'm thinking of a community, maybe in Germany or France, falling back to worshipping the celtic gods, as the norwegians worship norse gods and the finnish their own. Only that we know from history, that celtic people occassionally were a pretty bloody bunch on the whole.
 
What if, due to a coincidence or purely because sometimes the worst possible people are the survivors, someone discovered that the spilling of blood pleased the gods, as it is the strongest sacrifice?
So, as the world around them plunged into chaos, a community managed to survive, because in a certain area, the gods are strong enough to protect the land from trolls and the like, thus making it possible to survive and even farm too a certain degree?

Now, i'm not entirely sure about France, but since I'm from Germany, I thought about possible places.
First thought was of course the alps, but due to Bavaria being the most catholic federal country we have, I've ruled that area out. Which leaves:

The Black Forest. The surrounding area is pretty densely populated, but the forest itself would be pretty good to sustain a larger community, as it provides wood for building and making fires, animals to hunt, as far as the protection stretches, and also makes a decent area to shelter in in general.

The New Federal Countries. Not too populated, with some extensive farming land, maybe even stretching into Bohemia.

Anywhere where there's a large moor. Because a lot of people sacrificed by the celts to their gods were found in bogs or turf, so settling where the old rituals could be made in the most realistic way people could think of would made sense. Land surrounding a moor usually is also rich enough to farm on it.


So, it's at the moment mostly a thought I'm toying with, but imagining a community that uses basically blood magic and relies on the old celtic gods to keep the monsters at bay is indeed pretty metal. Of course, that protection would be the only thing keeping the community alive in that place.

So have fun with this one

[Koeshi]

I think it has been agreed that for Germany and mainland Europe in general, the chance of survivor communities is pretty much non-existent.  As you said the areas around the Black Forest are quite densely populated, there are going to be a lot of people that will think to flee into the forest to seek shelter, that is a lot of potential carriers.  Plus the animals you have mentioned as a food supply are mainly mammals, so once again more carriers.  This is of course not taking into account the potential of protection through blood sacrifices that you have suggested, but as we have no evidence to suggest that such methods would work I would argue there would be no survivors in the areas you have mentioned.  After all the Nordics have had their gods to protect them and their populations have still been decimated.

[Balthazar]

http://i.imgur.com/4xeek.jpg
Plus, another question. Does anyone who is infected become a troll? Because, if only a certain percentage of the infected become monsters and then add the biomass of the others to itself, it might be manageable (which might bring hope to a lot of other regions).

The trolls are actually not that explained (which is funny), but there should be some kind of big reveal with that book they acquired from Spot 24.

As for "manageable" the rash seemed to be first lethal a lethal strain, and at the moment it is speculated that Trollification (took the liberty to use a totally made up word) mutates sometime between tear 0 and 90.

So initially the rash is more like a powerful strain of swine flu that the Z-virus.

P.S. If I haven't emphasized this already, this is speculation not canon. It is rooted in canon but do not let it interfere with your fanfics if you are writing them, nor with further discussions on this forum. It is free to be ignored.