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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #210 on: November 14, 2014, 01:25:16 PM »
Oh my gosh, THAT'S how you use that? I've always wondered!
Can't say for sure. This tool insinuates that categories should have a hierarchical order, as it tries to display them in a tree. On the other hand, that would imply that there's always at least one category listed as being an uncategorized category. (That likely was the case with our "Browse" category, until KenoSarawa made it a subcategory of itself.)

When you look at the list of categories, you'll note that there's a bunch of them that came pre-installed by Wikia when our wiki was set up. I'ld suggest to be very careful with major changes to those, as they might play an important role in meta-administration that we just have not yet heard of ...

I'll try to clean those up today... In my view, I assumed "Comic" was sort of like our "meta" category, it's thing about the webcomic SSSS as it exists on the internet; The "World" category is a little strange, because, like - how I had originally envisioned it, it would be something to describe things that aren't characters or locations or any other category. Mostly terminology-related things like The Rash and Skalds and Cleansers. I'm not entire sure how it became the top-level category though.
Eeeeehh ... I guess I'll better triage the existing categories per their origin right now ...

... uuuugghhhh, it seems that not all categories implied by Wikias defaults have an actual description provided as well, so that the first user to later add that gets listed as "creating" the category. >:( I'll have to grab some random other recent Wikias and compare the categories to nail that ...

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Apparent Wikia-default categories:
Blog posts (*), Browse (*)(**), Forums (*), General wiki templates, Help (*), Help desk (*), Template documentation (*), Templates (*), Watercooler (*).
(*) confirmed by version history; (**) edited
Note: All these categories except "General wiki templates" and the self-inclusion of "Browse" are organized in a hierarchy with "Browse" being the top.

The categories "Article management templates" and "Article stubs" are implied by KenoSarawas "Stub" template, which is used in the "Old Gods" (by KenoSarawa) and "Rønne" (by me) pages.

Categories apparently outright created by KenoSarawa:
Comic, Content.

Genuine categories to classify topics are:
Characters, Countries, Creatures, Locations, Professions, Technology.

The rest:
Meta (Solovei), Navigation templates (implied by KenoSarawa, edited+expanded by me), Spoiler templates (me), "Story, Plot Points, Artwork" (me).

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Alright, proposal:
  • Undo the edit on "Browse" so as to restore the Wikia default categories.
  • Keep the genuine topical and all template-related categories (those are rather well-defined, even the ones from the "Stub" template).
  • Clean up the wannabe Übercategories (Comic, Content, Meta, "Story, Plot Points, Artwork"), replacing them with clearly defined ones (***), then make those subcategories of "Browse".
(***) I don't care much whether that's one global "Content" or a triptych of "Comic content"/"Comic meta"/"Real world and fandom", as long as it's clear which one to put a page/topic into.
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #211 on: November 14, 2014, 06:30:22 PM »
... and if I were to trace the font and the diamonds and put everything back together, the resulting image would be any color we want, but not have that "old and worn" look anymore ...
... as in here. :(
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #212 on: November 15, 2014, 10:29:38 AM »
... as in here. :(

It doesn't look too bad, actually.  ;)
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #213 on: November 15, 2014, 10:31:40 AM »
Uhhh... am I the only one who sees parts of the wiki in German?

EDIT: It also won't let me edit anything. Let's just hope it's a temporary thing, I'll see if my non-existent knowledge of how computers work will let me do anything...
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #214 on: November 15, 2014, 10:56:45 AM »
Uhhh... am I the only one who sees parts of the wiki in German?

EDIT: It also won't let me edit anything. Let's just hope it's a temporary thing, I'll see if my non-existent knowledge of how computers work will let me do anything...
No, they show up in German occasionally for me too. Not sure why, but it usually goes away.
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #215 on: November 15, 2014, 11:55:21 AM »
No, they show up in German occasionally for me too. Not sure why, but it usually goes away.

Maybe the wiki really likes JoB?  ;)
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #216 on: November 15, 2014, 11:59:14 AM »
Maybe the wiki really likes JoB?  ;)
Maybe it can sense that this person and his language embodies orderliness and organisational sophistication.

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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #217 on: November 15, 2014, 04:19:59 PM »
Maybe it can sense that this person and his language embodies orderliness and organisational sophistication.
Maybe it's aiming for the effects that some other experts attribute to the German language. :P

On a more serious note, there's two mechanisms that come to my mind that could cause this:
  • I do, of course, see parts of the wiki pages in German as soon as I log in - because I chose German as my interface language in the user settings. You might want to doublecheck yours.
  • There's some amount of server-side cacheing going on at Wikia. If, after checking your settings, you run into a partly-German page again, try the "action=purge" trick described here to see whether that (temporarily) fixes it.
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #218 on: November 15, 2014, 04:30:15 PM »
Maybe it's aiming for the effects that some other experts attribute to the German language. :P

On a more serious note, there's two mechanisms that come to my mind that could cause this:
  • I do, of course, see parts of the wiki pages in German as soon as I log in - because I chose German as my interface language in the user settings. You might want to doublecheck yours.
  • There's some amount of server-side cacheing going on at Wikia. If, after checking your settings, you run into a partly-German page again, try the "action=purge" trick described here to see whether that (temporarily) fixes it.

Uhh... your link sends me to a page about paws and Paris...
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #219 on: November 15, 2014, 05:09:32 PM »
Uhh... your [first] link sends me to a page about paws and Paris...
About what was back then thought to be a tiger loose near Paris, yes. With this bit of helpful advice:

Tiger expert Gilbert Edelstein, from the Pinder circus, said the best response to coming face-to-face with the stripy beast, thought to weigh around 155 pounds, was to "scream as loud as possible."

"Even better, scream in German. The guttural sounds could scare him away," he told AFP news agency.
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #220 on: November 15, 2014, 05:16:08 PM »
It doesn't look too bad, actually.  ;)
Tried some reliefing and blurring ... how about now?
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #221 on: November 15, 2014, 05:18:53 PM »
Tried some reliefing and blurring ... how about now?

I say "I shall upload it tomorrow, as soon as I have everyone's consensus".
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #222 on: November 15, 2014, 05:22:23 PM »
It looks good! I say go ahead :)
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #223 on: November 15, 2014, 07:46:58 PM »
Apparent Wikia-default categories:
Blog posts (*), Browse (*)(**), Forums (*), General wiki templates, Help (*), Help desk (*), Template documentation (*), Templates (*), Watercooler (*).
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List re-comfirmed. FWIW, there's a non-editable "Starter Pages" Wikia showing what a new Wikia's default content is.
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Re: Wiki discussion
« Reply #224 on: November 15, 2014, 09:22:55 PM »
FWIW, there's a non-editable "Starter Pages" Wikia showing what a new Wikia's default content is.
There also is a special Wikia to collect useful templates for other Wikias to copy.

  • I'm binge-reviewing the "article management templates" right now, most of them based on the Ambox template. Could some admin please copy the pertinent CSS to the SSSS Wikia's Wikia.css?
  • On the same occasion, I stumbled over the (also protected from my grubby fingers) image Wiki.png. If you'ld like to replace that with an individual logo, I made a version of the Wordmark-to-be's "W" in the proper size.
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