Wiki discussion

[JoB]

On a different note: I think I'm finally getting somewhere with hidden content, but in order to work for all readers, an admin needs to insert a bit of JavaScript code into places a mere mortal like me cannot touch.

... uuuhhhhh ... hold that thought, please. I just removed said code from my personal common.js and the spoiler stuff still works. Maybe the wiki already automatically includes ShowHide and the test spoilers didn't work because I still had some bug in them (or needed to reload thrice or somesuch) ...

Could someone who has not yet touched any JavaScript setups of his own please confirm that the examples linked in items 4. and 5. above do the Expand/Collapse thing properly?

[JoB]

I used a different browser (without ad blocker) to check the above question ... are the ads always placed that poorly?

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[JoB]

Heh, coincidence. I created an aRTD page in the SSSS wiki today to satisfy the cross-referencing need.

Speaking of which: I have IMHO completed the actual book info today, the last placeholder section title left to fill is "Related Finnish Mythology". I'm having two thoughts on that:

• Since traditional Finnish mythology might well get referenced from SSSS (Finnish mages!) as well, it might be worthwhile to make that topic a page of its own.
• I know pretty much nothing about that topic beyond what Minna herself (and a handful comments on the comic) taught me, and would likely end up plagiarizing most of it from the book's pertinent section. Maybe it'ld be better if someone with actual knowledge of the topic were to write it ...

... whaddya think?

[Solovei]

Speaking of which: I have IMHO completed the actual book info today, the last placeholder section title left to fill is "Related Finnish Mythology". I'm having two thoughts on that:

• Since traditional Finnish mythology might well get referenced from SSSS (Finnish mages!) as well, it might be worthwhile to make that topic a page of its own.
• I know pretty much nothing about that topic beyond what Minna herself (and a handful comments on the comic) taught me, and would likely end up plagiarizing most of it from the book's pertinent section. Maybe it'ld be better if someone with actual knowledge of the topic were to write it ...

... whaddya think?

First off, I have to apologize for my absense! Been busy with other work~

Second of all, wow you put a lot of work into that aRTD page! For the spoiler info though, I like that you can show/hide it but having a big box like that kind of breaks up the flow of the text and it can be a bit confusing to read...

As for your question regarding mythology... I think we should definitely contribute wiki space to mythological references as they come up - we have one regarding the Old Gods already to expanding that for other creatures would probably not be too much work. That said, I don't know if we want to devote too much time to aRTD since, as I believe Nimphy has said earlier, it's not really a wiki about aRTD, it's a wiki about SSSS. Maybe it would be better to make a general page with relevant mythology info and then mention that, like "such and such thing also appears in aRTD"

[JoB]

For the spoiler info though, I like that you can show/hide it but having a big box like that kind of breaks up the flow of the text and it can be a bit confusing to read...

Right now, all the variants of spoiler-hiding we have include a paragraph break (either through a <DIV> or by inserting a wikitable). I'm not sure that it's possible to attach the collapsing feature to anything with a lower profile than that. Will keep looking around and experimenting, though.

Maybe it would be better to make a general page with relevant mythology info and then mention that, like "such and such thing also appears in aRTD"

That's what I meant about making it a separate page (on Finnish(?) mythology, not aRTD) ... unless you mean to make several such pages?

[Solovei]

Right now, all the variants of spoiler-hiding we have include a paragraph break (either through a <DIV> or by inserting a wikitable). I'm not sure that it's possible to attach the collapsing feature to anything with a lower profile than that. Will keep looking around and experimenting, though.That's what I meant about making it a separate page (on Finnish(?) mythology, not aRTD) ... unless you mean to make several such pages?

I know TV Tropes has it so that the spoiler text is covered in white and you have to mouse-over to see it. However, I wonder if we even NEED to implement spoiler text? A couple pages back there was some discussion about it and it seemed to come to the idea that having a spoiler warning on the main page (and maybe a couple of other relevant pages, i.e. character/story pages) would be enough, and if people wanted to go ahead and spoil things for themselves, that was their choice.

Also, I think having hidden spoiler text would lead to a lot of debate about what is considered a spoiler and what isn't.

Sorry, I think I misunderstood about the mythology page! Just one should be okay

[JoB]

I know TV Tropes has it so that the spoiler text is covered in white and you have to mouse-over to see it.

Yeah, that requires that you somehow attach your own code to the JS onMouseOver() hook, which might be already in use by Wikias own embellishments - I'm not proficient enough to even check that, I'm afraid. There are other Wikias where spoilers appear as tooltips on mouseover, but that potentially obscures the text (sentence) a within-the-line-of-text spoiler is supposed to appear in.

I think I mostly cracked it with just the mwcollapsible mechanism, though.

However, I wonder if we even NEED to implement spoiler text?

Maybe not, but note that the templates I didn't flat out copy from elsewhere aren't even called foobar-spoiler-whatever in the first place. On the aRTD page, most of the uses of HiddenText are more about keeping the page to a manageable size until the reader wants to dive into the details of a subsection ...

[JoB]

However, I wonder if we even NEED to implement spoiler text?

To address your actual point as well: If the new readers popping up in the comments are any indication, then we can expect the (most novel) readers of the wiki to have binge-read the actual SSSS comic, and likely the (non-Disqus/-IntenseDebate) author's comment below it, but not the DQ/ID comments (how many of those are there? 200 pages x 200 comments = 40,000-ish?) or aRTD. I'ld hence consider wiki information based on only the latter sources as being potentially quite spoiler-ish (and, by extension, an SSSS-wiki page about aRTD as being a good candidate for the most spoilerfest-y ever ).

[Solovei]

JoB, I LOVE those little comic page links you made! Do you think you could put your awesome graphics skills to use and make us a custom logo for the Wikia, too?

[Nimphy]

JoB, I LOVE those little comic page links you made! Do you think you could put your awesome graphics skills to use and make us a custom logo for the Wikia, too?

As far as I know, only I can upload a wordmark for the wiki. I did make one at a point, but the site didn't accept the format of the image.

Then again, maybe JoB could use his awesome graphic skillz to make it, then PM the image to me.

[JoB]

JoB, I LOVE those little comic page links you made!

Dang, and here I came to actually say write "I made a template 'ComicPage' so as to put an abstraction layer between SSSS page numbers and the actual URLs, in case Minna ever reorganizes her site. As a proof of concept, I shoehorned different font color and 'external link'-icon into it. Now how would y'all like the towards-SSSS links to look for realz?" ???

Do you think you could put your awesome graphics skills to use and make us a custom logo for the Wikia, too?

That arrow is just a shape-changed scaled-down version of the original SSSS logo (more precisely, this cropping thereof). The arrow is actually too small to recognize the selburose design at all, but I wonder how well using it in a recognizable size agrees with our "not officially endorsed by Minna" stance ... ?

[Solovei]

As far as I know, only I can upload a wordmark for the wiki. I did make one at a point, but the site didn't accept the format of the image.

Then again, maybe JoB could use his awesome graphic skillz to make it, then PM the image to me.

That's what I was thinking too! I did play around with some possible designs a while ago but never really ended up with anything that I liked, so...

If JoB (or anyone else I guess) wants to give it a shot, it has to be a .png file that is at most 250px long and 65px wide.

The arrow is actually too small to recognize the selburose design at all, but I wonder how well using it in a recognizable size agrees with our "not officially endorsed by Minna" stance ... ?

It shows up pretty well for me, but I'm on a laptop with relatively good graphics... I suppose it could be a bit hard to see since red and purple are pretty similar colors.

[JoB]

If JoB (or anyone else I guess) wants to give it a shot, it has to be a .png file that is at most 250px long and 65px wide.

Wait, what? Height about four times the width? Not the other way 'round?

If so, that'ld pretty much sink the design idea I just had (attached). [Ow, the pain from those copypasta artifacts. Not sure I can do noticeably better, though ...]

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[Solovei]

Wait, what? Height about four times the width? Not the other way 'round?

If so, that'ld pretty much sink the design idea I just had (attached). [Ow, the pain from those copypasta artifacts. Not sure I can do noticeably better, though ...]

... I am a giant idiot.
I get that mixed up ALL THE TIME I AM SO SORRY.
Yes, you were right. 65 high and 250 long.

*crawls under a rock*

[JoB]

Yes, you were right. 65 high and 250 long.

How about this one, then, always assuming that Minna doesn't get the impression we're stepping on her toes with that ... ?

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