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What do you think the state of things is beyond Scandinavia?

More of the Silent World: Trolls, beasts and giants everywhere
7 (16.7%)
A few groups of humans, but mostly wilderness
14 (33.3%)
USA and other superpowers are relatively intact
0 (0%)
Scorched Earth: nothing, not even grosslings, is alive
0 (0%)
Plenty of places like Scandinavia, but isolated
21 (50%)

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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #135 on: September 20, 2014, 07:48:46 AM »

in other news, right now i'm working on a little map of the surviving scottish community, named new shetland after the islands that they left for the safety of the nordic countries. even with a population of only a few hundred, they would likely be valued, especially by the danes, for their continued use of english and ability, subsequently, to access and translate a great deal of world knowledge.


People of the Orkneys probably would insist of a "Orkney-Islands-Settlement", too, if anyone of them was to find out that a foundation like new scottland exists.

Do have beasts and trolls problems with high temperatures, too? Like in wastelands? In the Sahara or Gobi nights are really cold and days are quiet hot. Maybe beasts and trolls always have problems with extrem temperature conditions? Or did Minna eliminate this opportunity?
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« Reply #136 on: September 20, 2014, 08:15:25 AM »
i've updated this map a little bit since i posted it the first time around, adding hydroelectric plants, an iron mine, and even an offshore oil rig!

by year 90, newfoundland is also likely to have resurrected the old decommissioned newfoundland railway. fortunately for them, several towns in the surviving area of newfoundland, including corner brook and port-aux-basques, have some of the remaining cars, and with iron from fermont and plentiful timber, laying down the tracks on the newfoundland t'railway wouldn't be difficult.

in other news, right now i'm working on a little map of the surviving scottish community, named new shetland after the islands that they left for the safety of the nordic countries. even with a population of only a few hundred, they would likely be valued, especially by the danes, for their continued use of english and ability, subsequently, to access and translate a great deal of world knowledge.
Question: How did you make that map?
Did you simply edit an existing map(if so, which?), or did you draw it yourself? And how?


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« Reply #137 on: September 20, 2014, 01:33:36 PM »
Question: How did you make that map?
Did you simply edit an existing map(if so, which?), or did you draw it yourself? And how?

i traced a map off of google maps and then used the texture underneath it as the basis for the texture on the land, which is what gave it that irregular, mottled texture.
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« Reply #138 on: September 20, 2014, 05:41:38 PM »
Do have beasts and trolls problems with high temperatures, too? Like in wastelands? In the Sahara or Gobi nights are really cold and days are quiet hot. Maybe beasts and trolls always have problems with extrem temperature conditions? Or did Minna eliminate this opportunity?

One of those things we probably don't (and in-universe, can't) know yet.  The 'heat' of Scandinavian summers would never get even close to daily equatorial or desert ranges. 

Though I wonder if there were any attempts to capture a beast or troll live to experiment on them.  That lab in Mora has samples in jars but I don't think they were still alive. 

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« Reply #139 on: September 20, 2014, 07:05:58 PM »
i traced a map off of google maps and then used the texture underneath it as the basis for the texture on the land, which is what gave it that irregular, mottled texture.
I see. Would be interesting to try the same. Do you do it with a tablet? Seems awkward to get the tiny details by mouse.

One of those things we probably don't (and in-universe, can't) know yet.  The 'heat' of Scandinavian summers would never get even close to daily equatorial or desert ranges. 

Though I wonder if there were any attempts to capture a beast or troll live to experiment on them.  That lab in Mora has samples in jars but I don't think they were still alive.
I imagine in very hot lands, trolls would spend a lot of the year soaked in waters, rivers and caves during the day and then mostly active by night. And since almost everyone lives alongside the rivers in those parts of the world, that means it is basically inhospitable regardless.
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ALSO, how come nobody(myself included) noticed that the Prologue actually says that JAPAN ALSO CLOSES ITS BORDERS?
Seriously: http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=13
Somehow I didn't remember that. So they closed-off right after Iceland did, which greatly increases the odds that much of Japan would still be alive in the current setting of the comic.
By the way, which flag is that listed at #3? I do not recognize it.
*Edit* Never mind, the flag is Madagascar's.
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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #140 on: September 20, 2014, 08:14:47 PM »
I imagine in very hot lands, trolls would spend a lot of the year soaked in waters, rivers and caves during the day and then mostly active by night. And since almost everyone lives alongside the rivers in those parts of the world, that means it is basically inhospitable regardless.
They'd also want to keep out of sunlight - another big no-no for them according to Word of God. So... They'd live under bridges?  8)
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« Reply #141 on: September 20, 2014, 08:16:22 PM »
They'd also want to keep out of sunlight - another big no-no for them according to Word of God. So... They'd live under bridges?  8)
Well yes, that would be an intentional thing by the author in order to call them "trolls".


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« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2014, 01:25:44 AM »
We need more maps!

Working on a few!  Hopefully, I'll be able to post some sketches of the hardscrabble existences led along the Northern Pacific coast of North America (beware of orca-leviathans and grizzly-beasts!), the Arabian isle of Socotra (mind the African mainland's ballooning hyena population!), the Mediterranean isle of Corsica (take note of the hopelessness of founding any new colonies!), the Australian Kangaroo Island (witness arguments for renaming to Echidna or Platypus Island, after the sufficiently-different, immune monotremes! Explore the mainland to find a plague of rabbits replaced by an actual plague!), and possibly the Atlantic kingdom of the Azores (observe the struggles of a remote set of islands to recover contact with the distant, silent world!) soon.

A bet I'm making here:  sea-beasts arise from cetaceans and, to a lesser extent, amphibious mammals up to a certain size; whales make for sea-serpents, and pods might become leviathans - the giants of the sea!  But the common, terrestrial beast has no hope of staying afloat, much less swimming.
Another bet I'm making:  bats are susceptible, but the mutations produced are not conducive to flight.  And thank goodness - those poor Scandinavian miners will have had trouble enough with just the crawling variety of bat-vermin!
One last bet:  Feliformia and Monotremata are immune orders; the former by relation to cats (next level of organization up has the susceptible Canidae, Ursoidea, and Pinnipedia), the latter by sufficient distance (and weirdness, as it were).

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« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2014, 04:40:26 AM »
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    I imagine in very hot lands, trolls would spend a lot of the year soaked in waters, rivers and caves during the day and then mostly active by night. And since almost everyone lives alongside the rivers in those parts of the world, that means it is basically inhospitable regardless.

Gobi in Winter turns out to have nights with less then -60 degrees (Celcius). Sahara only comes up with -10 at winter nights so it might be habitable in oases.

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They'd also want to keep out of sunlight - another big no-no for them according to Word of God. So... They'd live under bridges?  8)

I'd like to see bridges built in great wastelands ;). They could sleep under dunes. But as there are not many people living there, maybe they could be able to defend themselves while all the beasts die out of hunger.
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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2014, 08:52:41 AM »
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ALSO, how come nobody(myself included) noticed that the Prologue actually says that JAPAN ALSO CLOSES ITS BORDERS?
Seriously: http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=13
Somehow I didn't remember that. So they closed-off right after Iceland did, which greatly increases the odds that much of Japan would still be alive in the current setting of the comic.

Plus, Japan takes public health very seriously, from what I recall, so many people would be wearing face masks from Day 1. The big disadvantage it would have as a nation is sheer population density. If they closed the barn doors after the horses escaped, then they'd have some big, big problems. Even if they did manage to keep the Illness out or even just contained, then you've got the issue of resources and how you're going to feed and care for that population. They'd be in rougher shape than Iceland in that regard, IMO.

In short, I think odds are good of there being a large group of survivors and some infrastructure in Japan, but the population probably took a few big hits from starvation, garden-variety illness and maybe a few contained breakouts. The other variable here is how well they'd be able to rebuild after getting hit by an earthquake.
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« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2014, 12:09:31 PM »
i've updated this map a little bit since i posted it the first time around, adding hydroelectric plants, an iron mine, and even an offshore oil rig!

by year 90, newfoundland is also likely to have resurrected the old decommissioned newfoundland railway. fortunately for them, several towns in the surviving area of newfoundland, including corner brook and port-aux-basques, have some of the remaining cars, and with iron from fermont and plentiful timber, laying down the tracks on the newfoundland t'railway wouldn't be difficult.

Should Newfoundland hazard a journey Southwest beyond Halifax, they may be surprised to find a few surviving American enclaves - Vinalhaven, having managed to keep two of their three wind turbines generating power by scavenging the other, and subsisting off of lobster and rebounding fish populations, has become the capital of Acadia - a small nation that has settled North as far as Mount Desert Island, begun pushing South to reclaim the peninsula below old, dead Rockland, and even made furtive, lucky ventures as far as Machias Bay and Portland.

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« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2014, 12:27:18 PM »
Plus, Japan takes public health very seriously, from what I recall, so many people would be wearing face masks from Day 1. The big disadvantage it would have as a nation is sheer population density. If they closed the barn doors after the horses escaped, then they'd have some big, big problems. Even if they did manage to keep the Illness out or even just contained, then you've got the issue of resources and how you're going to feed and care for that population. They'd be in rougher shape than Iceland in that regard, IMO.

In short, I think odds are good of there being a large group of survivors and some infrastructure in Japan, but the population probably took a few big hits from starvation, garden-variety illness and maybe a few contained breakouts. The other variable here is how well they'd be able to rebuild after getting hit by an earthquake.
Right, Japan would probably suffer famine like Iceland is implied to have.
But just to note, they produce about 90% of their own rice and eggs, and produce about half of their meat. Infected whales would probably be a problem since whale meat is still a notable part of Japanese cuisine (also, stranded whale trolls may be a serious problem with such a huge coast line).
Japan has suffered some severe famines in the past, though, without losing their collective minds. Culturally, the Japanese seem rather well-behaved in times of crisis.
A lot of essential things like cooking oil and soy beans are generally imported, though, which presents a severe problem for Japanese cuisine.

Decisive restructuring would be needed to reduce the famine, though, as Japan is only about 40% self-sufficient on a calorie basis, meaning over half of their population would be at risk, not to mention those that would die from otherwise treatable diseases.
But so long as their society would not collapse during the famine, they would be able to become self-sufficient as they used to be in the past.
The first decade would not be very pleasant in any case, even if they did manage to keep the rash sickness out.
Barring infection and societal collapse, the current Japanese population in year 90 would probably be somewhere around 20 million if lucky.(keeping in mind that the Japanese have very low birthrates already, and famine would not exactly encourage more childbirth, so the population would decline for decades even without the famine)
The decline of white collar jobs as the largest fields of employment would probably change a lot of Japanese society, though.
I imagine it would be less school and career focused, which in turn would probably lead to an increase in birth rates again eventually.

Also, Japan has a lot of cats, so that bit shouldn't be much of a problem.


Something I wonder about is the viability of survivors in Korea.
North-Korea, ironically, is best set to survive environmentally, but even today they are basically in a constant state of famine and receive a lot of foreign aid.
The world around them collapsing, particularly China, would have them hit by a famine that would utterly crush their society.
Couple that with the inevitable collapse of their leadership, and you've got a nation that wouldn't even need the rash to be snuffed out. It's not entirely unimaginable for certain farming communities to survive, though.
South-Korea also has winter, but considering what Minna said about Great Britain, the odds of those areas being viable are extremely low.
And I wonder about some of South-Korea's southern islands. Some of them seem farming oriented, and a defensive navy might be able to save those areas, despite the lack of winter.


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« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2014, 12:59:34 PM »
Plus, Japan takes public health very seriously, from what I recall, so many people would be wearing face masks from Day 1. The big disadvantage it would have as a nation is sheer population density. If they closed the barn doors after the horses escaped, then they'd have some big, big problems. Even if they did manage to keep the Illness out or even just contained, then you've got the issue of resources and how you're going to feed and care for that population. They'd be in rougher shape than Iceland in that regard, IMO.

In short, I think odds are good of there being a large group of survivors and some infrastructure in Japan, but the population probably took a few big hits from starvation, garden-variety illness and maybe a few contained breakouts. The other variable here is how well they'd be able to rebuild after getting hit by an earthquake.

Good point Annie!

Right, Japan would probably suffer famine like Iceland is implied to have.
But just to note, they produce about 90% of their own rice and eggs, and produce about half of their meat. Infected whales would probably be a problem since whale meat is still a notable part of Japanese cuisine (also, stranded whale trolls may be a serious problem with such a huge coast line).
Japan has suffered some severe famines in the past, though, without losing their collective minds. Culturally, the Japanese seem rather well-behaved in times of crisis.
A lot of essential things like cooking oil and soy beans are generally imported, though, which presents a severe problem for Japanese cuisine.

Decisive restructuring would be needed to reduce the famine, though, as Japan is only about 40% self-sufficient on a calorie basis, meaning over half of their population would be at risk, not to mention those that would die from otherwise treatable diseases.
But so long as their society would not collapse during the famine, they would be able to become self-sufficient as they used to be in the past.
The first decade would not be very pleasant in any case, even if they did manage to keep the rash sickness out.
Barring infection and societal collapse, the current Japanese population in year 90 would probably be somewhere around 20 million if lucky.(keeping in mind that the Japanese have very low birthrates already, and famine would not exactly encourage more childbirth, so the population would decline for decades even without the famine)
The decline of white collar jobs as the largest fields of employment would probably change a lot of Japanese society, though.
I imagine it would be less school and career focused, which in turn would probably lead to an increase in birth rates again eventually.

Also, Japan has a lot of cats, so that bit shouldn't be much of a problem.

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I am also trying to determine if Japan and Madagascar could survive the 90 years until the start of the main story and also HOW they might survive. Since I'm still in the process of collecting the necessary informations for this, I can only share some preliminary scenarios for their survival.

Japan:
    Scenario 1: Full survival(very low probability)
  • population at the time of the main story(90+ years after the catclysm)would be about 100(+-20) million
  • food supply would be based mainly on artificial sources like algae, yeast and other microbes(a good starting point for further reading is http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/lifesupport.php#id--Closed_Ecological_Systems)
  • energy supply would have to be based on renewable sources mainly geothermal and hydroelectric, in the southern areas like Okinawa prefecture and Kiushu solar energy would be the main source, also in all areas we will see the utilization of wind as an additional energy source. It is also possible, but unlikely, that Japan would build tidal power plants
  • most if not all of todays technology would still exist or could at least be build if necessary, we would also see considerable improvements especially in the areas of energy and food production as well as recycling. Also large improvements in the area of vaccines can be expected
  • Japan would effectively turn into a hydraulic state(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_empire) during the first years after the cataclysm. The specific details are hard to determine but one thing is sure, a total isolation from the rest of the world will be a paramount aspect of politics to ensure the continued survival.
    Scenario 2: Partial survival without rash(high probability)
  • population will be at about 20 to 40 million
  • food supply will be by the same methods we see today(hydrocultures for rice, livestock for meat)
  • energy supply by renewable sources(for details see scenario 1)
  • in the area of science and technology we would have great differences, in some areas like microelectronics we would see regression from todays standards due to a lack of necessary raw materials, where as in areas like pharmaceuticals we would see advance due to a great emphasis on developing a vaccine for the rash
  • we will see no big differences in society to the nordic countries except for cultural ones
  • it is next to impossible to say what the big cities like Tokio and Osaka will look like in this scenario, but it can be expected that they will be abandoned to a great part.
    Scenario 3: Partial survival with rash(low to medium probability)
  • I have only insufficient data to make any predications besides that it would probably be like a larger version of Sweden
  • population probably at about 1 to 2 million(this estimate has a very low reliability due to a lack of data!)
    Scenaria 4: No survival(low probability)
  • due to famine a outbreak of fights which will lead to considerable losses of people and material
  • in the course of the fighting the isolation of Japan is impaired and infected refugees from Korea and China land on Japan
  • due to the fact that the fights will also have impaired the medical system the spread of the desease cannot be prevented which will cause further considerable losses of people
  • due to the considerable exhaustion of ressources during the fights it is not possible to make a stand against the appearing beasts which will lead to the ultimate elimination of Japan

Madagascar:
Since I don't have any data for Madagascar at the moment I can only offer some guesses. The main one is that while for Japan there are distinct scenarios, Madagascar has a spectrum of possible outcomes with lots of fine gradations between each major point. Therefore I will only give a brief summary for now.
The possibilities for Madagascar reach from no one surviving to a considerable number of small groups of survivors, which roam the countryside, and continue to the existence of a number of seperate agricultural areas, which are seperated by hostile wastelands, and end with the existence of a small number of industrial centers(at the level of the early industrial revolution).

Things still to do:
  • get precise travel data for Japan and Madagascar and the surrounding areas
  • get reliable data on the food supply of Japan
  • get some information on naval blockade tactics and their efficiency
  • get reliable data on Madagascar(geological, metereoligical, demografic,...)
  • get data about the geothermal potentials in Japan
  • make some calculations on the demographic data of Japan and it's consequences
  • ...

So that have been my current thoughts in this matter. If anyone has any additions, objections or other comments I would be very interested to hear them.

Edit: corrected two lingual inaccuracies in Japan scenario 1(population and society) and some minor typos.
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« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2014, 04:42:18 PM »
Right, Japan would probably suffer famine like Iceland is implied to have.
But just to note, they produce about 90% of their own rice and eggs, and produce about half of their meat. Infected whales would probably be a problem since whale meat is still a notable part of Japanese cuisine (also, stranded whale trolls may be a serious problem with such a huge coast line).
Japan has suffered some severe famines in the past, though, without losing their collective minds. Culturally, the Japanese seem rather well-behaved in times of crisis.
A lot of essential things like cooking oil and soy beans are generally imported, though, which presents a severe problem for Japanese cuisine.

Decisive restructuring would be needed to reduce the famine, though, as Japan is only about 40% self-sufficient on a calorie basis, meaning over half of their population would be at risk, not to mention those that would die from otherwise treatable diseases.
But so long as their society would not collapse during the famine, they would be able to become self-sufficient as they used to be in the past.
The first decade would not be very pleasant in any case, even if they did manage to keep the rash sickness out.
Barring infection and societal collapse, the current Japanese population in year 90 would probably be somewhere around 20 million if lucky.(keeping in mind that the Japanese have very low birthrates already, and famine would not exactly encourage more childbirth, so the population would decline for decades even without the famine)
The decline of white collar jobs as the largest fields of employment would probably change a lot of Japanese society, though.
I imagine it would be less school and career focused, which in turn would probably lead to an increase in birth rates again eventually.

Don't forget the already significant demographics of the inverse pyramid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japan_sex_by_age_2010.png
Famine and further decreases in birth rate would simply be untenable.  The people between 15 and 45 years old, as a rough estimate for the physically fit portion of the population would number ~43 million to the ~16.5 million below 15 and the ~55 million over 45.  This is compared to the ~48 million that could eventually survive, if perfect distribution was maintained, or the more likely ~25 million or so.
While terrible, it is conceivable that Japan may encourage their most elderly to voluntarily remove themselves (by dangerous work, exile, etc.) from the population, in order to ease the strain of feeding its people, and may view this as a heroic act, given that Japanese society seems to not suffer from excessive individualism.  A near-complete halt in reproduction, combined with the pre-crisis mortality rate, might decrease the population further by about 2 million a year, but could not be sustained for more than a few years without dire consequences.
This will be some incredibly cruel math, but, assuming a) disasters in the three largest cities within the first few years, coupled with losses from panic over the general change in social order/profession/etc. b) exacting application of Japan Self-Defense Forces against even the most remote possibilities of refugee incursion (think end of the Prologue, but with bigger ships) c) Application of all of the possibilities above d) no (immediate) catastrophic unrest e) food reserves appropriate to stave off famine for a few years, here would be my (probably wrong) estimates for Japan's population:

  • Year 0 - 127,150,000 souls
  • Year 1 - 91,650,000 souls (31.5 lost in disasters/panic in Kanto, Keihanshin, Chukyo, and other MMAs, 2 million unborn/natural death, 2 million quarantine/misidentification/xenophobia)
  • Year 2 - 74,650,000 souls (15 million by going-away ceremony/suicide, 2 million unborn/natural death - population at pre-1950 levels)
  • Year 3 - 66,150,000 souls (7 million by going-away ceremony/suicide, 1.5 million unborn/natural death - population at pre-1935 levels)
  • Year 4 - 61,150,000 souls (4 million by going-away ceremony/suicide, 1 million natural death)
  • Year 5 - 55,650,000 souls (4 million by going-away ceremony/suicide, 1 million natural death-birth, 0.5 by unrest/suppression - population at pre-1920 levels)
  • Year 6 - 52,450,000 souls (1 million by famine/unrest/suppression, 2 million by going-away ceremony/suicide, 0.2 million natural death-birth - population at pre-1915 levels and approaching state of civil war)
  • Year 7 - 47,950,000 souls (1.5 million by famine/unrest, 1 million by war, 1.5 million by going-away ceremony, 0.5 million natural death-birth - population at pre-1907 levels and at war)
  • Year 8 - 42,450,000 souls (2 million by war, 1 million by famine/unrest, 1 million by going-away ceremony, 1 million natural death-birth, 0.5 million non-Rash disease - population at pre-1900 levels, open war, war-related epidemic spreading)
  • Year 9 - 36,950,000 souls (1.5 million by non-Rash disease, 1.5 million by famine/unrest, 1 million by war, 0.75 million by going-away ceremony, 0.75 million natural death-birth)
  • Year 10 - 31,950,000 souls (2.5 million by non-Rash disease, 0.75 million by war, 0.75 million by famine/unrest, 0.5 million by going-away ceremony, 0.5 million natural death-birth)
  • Year 11 - 27,700,000 souls (1.5 million by war, 1 million by retribution/suppression, 0.75 million by natural death-birth, 0.5 million by going-away ceremony, 0.5 million by non-Rash epidemic - this marks the end of a bloody, 8-year civil war, with losses approaching the rate for the Confederacy in the American Civil War, and an accompanying epidemic similar to the Spanish Flu and other wartime diseases)
  • Year 12 - 26,300,000 souls (1 million by oppression, 0.5 million by going-away ceremony, +0.1 million by birth-natural death - the war over, recriminations begin, while the victors enjoy the first net growth in recent memory)
  • Year 13 - 22,150,000 souls (2.5 million by Rash, 0.75 by oppression, 0.5 million by panic, 0.4 million by going-away ceremony, 0.0 million by birth-natural death - an unthinkable act, the release of a Rash sample within the losers' territory by fanatics creates a terror not known for ten years in a country that has not yet faced the Rash directly)
  • Year 14 - 20,050,000 souls (2 million by Rash/cleansing/combat, 0.3 million by going-away ceremony, +0.2 million by birth-natural death - rapid quarantine of the affected province and determined coordination isolate the outbreak, but valuable land is lost, and cleansing efforts go underway)
  • Year 15 - 19,850,000 souls (0.2 million by Rash/cleansing/combat, 0.2 million by going-away ceremony, +0.2 million by birth-natural death - cleansing continues, but it is slow work, and mistakes happen...)
  • Year 20 - 19,600,000 souls (0.05 million/year by cleansing, 0.2 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.2 million/year by birth-natural death - the first true generation of post-collapse children is about to come of age)
  • Year 30 - 19,600,000 souls (0.01 million/year by cleansing, 0.21 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.22 million/year by birth-natural death)
  • Year 40 - 19,810,000 souls (0.009 million/year by cleansing, 0.21 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.24 million/year by birth-natural death - Japan has experienced its first growth of population since the collapse, and plenty has returned to the land; many thank the gods, rather than population dynamics)
  • Year 50 - 20,130,000 souls (0.008 million/year by cleansing, 0.21 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.25 million/year by birth-natural death)
  • Year 60 - 22,160,000 souls (0.006 million/year by cleansing, 0.05 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.26 million/year by birth-natural death, 0.01 million to major earthquake in Year 59, as in Year 0 - the child-gap of the early years has reached the going-away ceremony age, and that event sees a drop in attendance; the earthquake is relatively trivial, as settlements are now less dense, and do not stand as tall as the old cities)
  • Year 70 - 22,600,000 souls (0.006 million/year by cleansing, 0.21 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.26 million/year by birth-natural death)
  • Year 80 - 23,220,000 souls (0.008 million/year by cleansing, 0.21 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.28 million/year by birth-natural death - first forays past safe waters, into the Silent World, begin)
  • Year 90 - 24,140,000 souls (0.008 million/year by cleansing, 0.20 million/year by going-away ceremony, +0.30 million/year by birth-natural death)


I'm most curious as to how their energy security situation would look.  Just 10% is renewables, uranium could supply 30% of current consumption if a sufficient fuel stockpile is attained, less what can be recycled, and the remainder is fossil fuel unavailable to Japan in the wake of losing contact to the entire world.  40% of the food and energy needs, then, and even less for losses in territory and/or consumable resources?

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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2014, 04:46:55 PM »
I'm worried how Iceland's history will look, given the drastic reduction in population and excluding Rash as a factor, if 2/3 of the population has disappeared.  Is Dagrenning (The Many Different Nationalities of the World, p. 67) more than just a breeding initiative?
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