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What do you think the state of things is beyond Scandinavia?

More of the Silent World: Trolls, beasts and giants everywhere
7 (16.7%)
A few groups of humans, but mostly wilderness
14 (33.3%)
USA and other superpowers are relatively intact
0 (0%)
Scorched Earth: nothing, not even grosslings, is alive
0 (0%)
Plenty of places like Scandinavia, but isolated
21 (50%)

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Voting closed: July 03, 2015, 03:28:37 PM

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I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2014, 01:27:31 AM »
USA was prepared plans for after MAD between the USSR, and I will be surprised if they didn't prepare aganist biological weapons.
and they already have plans for reconstruct the contury after nuclear war.
and iceland was not exposed with the rash at all, so I can assume least 10% of USA citizen are immule to rash.
and compare the rash and nuclear warpare, I think the rash is more easier thing to deal with.

(troll and giant is not an issue, because US army wil blow them up with bullet, explosive or something)

hack. europeans are already live through the black death, isn't it?

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #91 on: September 13, 2014, 05:53:58 AM »
"Easy" enough to deal with a monster that is a constantly reforming mass of tissue and bodies...

Not to mention that the the vast majority of the military would be compromised from a highly virulent respiratory disease..
I'm sorry but with a population of 313.9 million with little to no natural barriers, I don't think america wins this battle in the slightest.

I would believe that there might of been small enclaves off the coast and such but I sincerely doubt any of those could have lasted more than 90 years.

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #92 on: September 13, 2014, 06:21:29 AM »
USA was prepared plans for after MAD between the USSR, and I will be surprised if they didn't prepare aganist biological weapons.
and they already have plans for reconstruct the contury after nuclear war.
and iceland was not exposed with the rash at all, so I can assume least 10% of USA citizen are immule to rash.
and compare the rash and nuclear warpare, I think the rash is more easier thing to deal with.

(troll and giant is not an issue, because US army wil blow them up with bullet, explosive or something)

hack. europeans are already live through the black death, isn't it?
The rash is an extremely viral disease that even transmits over air and is transmissible to ALL mammal species except for cats, which means it'll even spread through mice and rats. The moment the rash hit the east coast, the fate of America was sealed just like Europe's.
The trolls are a problem for survivors. Not for society at large. No amount of guns lets you resist something that will kill 99% of your population and turns all mammal species into perpetual spreaders of disease.
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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #93 on: September 13, 2014, 06:26:38 AM »
We already have a thread for this kind of discussions, presumably this should be merged with that one.

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #94 on: September 13, 2014, 07:20:08 AM »
No amount of guns lets you resist something that will kill 99% of your population and turns all mammal species into perpetual spreaders of disease.
Well, short of using your nuclear arsenal on your own territory to erect a barrier zone between the East and the West whose radioactivity permits only cockroaches to travel through, that is. (Pray for the predominant wind direction to stay very predominant through the following centuries.)

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2014, 10:02:14 AM »
There are several things that make this disease quite different from, say, an outbreak of the plague or yellow fever.

First, the carriers are already contagious before they even show symptoms. This alone makes containment almost impossible (nevermind the extreme virulence and contagiousness, the absurd number of different vectors, or the fact that some of these vectors can fly). Combined with the speed it spread at, this makes unlikely for most governments to even realise something serious is going on before they even have time to take appropriate measures — and nothing short of a complete lock down of the country and a scorched earth policy on all the borders with a neighbouring country, very soon, will help — which most government aren't even willing to do.

Second, between the outbreak of the disease an the appearance of monsters, there is another dramatic thing that happens: the collapse of society on a worldwide scale. Because the disease affects a very high number of people in virtually every country it enters (and it enters almost every country), and because the survivors are for a large part people who flew into safer areas, that means you get a refugee situation on a global scale, with no one able to provide helps (since the rare spared countries are on lock down). The production chains collapse very quickly, people soon run out of electricity, gas, food, clean water and drugs; famine, cold and epidemics would take a very harsh toll to the survivors, even if there were originally 2 billion of them — not to mention inevitable armed conflicts over the rapidly vanishing vital ressources.

This, of course, is a gradual process that takes months and years; the situation eventually stabilise around the few pockets of civilisation that have managed to organize in a sustainable manner; but as these groups then try to reclaim the cities, they find out that they can't because there is something even worse than the disease: the cities are now occupied by dangerous monsters that are still contagious. But by the time we have managed to overcome immediate survival problems and truly become aware of the monster infestation, several years have passed and less than 1% of humanity is still around, in isolated enclaves living around the globe in cold, harsh and difficult-to-acess places.

Even for the few countries that have managed to avoid contamination, like Iceland, they still find themselves suddenly completely isolated. All the ressources they imported are gone. All foreign trade and foreign aid is gone. That likely means running out of many kind of food, running out of oil and natural gaz, running out of various metals and other material useful for chemistry (you want to make a lighter? sorry, no oil; matches? sorry, no sulfur, no phosphorus), running out of specialised medications made in foreign laboratories, and so on.


So in short, that's not to say nobody in America would survive, but to imagine that America could come out of this entirely unscathed doesn't seem very realistic.
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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2014, 10:24:09 AM »
I'm pretty sure a lot of places in the UK will have survived.
There are lots of regions prone to flash flooding, however we don't know if trolls would be able to survive that or not. There are also lots of large, uninhabited regions in Scotland, Wales, the north of England and west of Ireland so any sheep or cows that have become trolls there wouldn't have any buildings to shelter in for the inevitably awful weather.
Any of the islands around the coast would be good for survivors if they can keep mutant seals at bay.
Another thing I've been thinking about is whether any mammals other than humans have a high immunity rate. If humans survive the rash and the trolls, the next problem is food. They might be able to breed immune cattle from the ones who have survived?

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #97 on: September 13, 2014, 10:25:42 AM »
Well, short of using your nuclear arsenal on your own territory to erect a barrier zone between the East and the West whose radioactivity permits only cockroaches to travel through, that is. (Pray for the predominant wind direction to stay very predominant through the following centuries.)

... what? I'm a technician. I'm supposed to find ways to solve the problem at hand with the available tools. ::)

I too am of the opinion that the best way to solve a problem is to create a whole new range of problems in the hope that they will replace the original problem.

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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #98 on: September 13, 2014, 11:35:25 AM »
I'm pretty sure a lot of places in the UK will have survived.
There are lots of regions prone to flash flooding, however we don't know if trolls would be able to survive that or not. There are also lots of large, uninhabited regions in Scotland, Wales, the north of England and west of Ireland so any sheep or cows that have become trolls there wouldn't have any buildings to shelter in for the inevitably awful weather.
Any of the islands around the coast would be good for survivors if they can keep mutant seals at bay.
Another thing I've been thinking about is whether any mammals other than humans have a high immunity rate. If humans survive the rash and the trolls, the next problem is food. They might be able to breed immune cattle from the ones who have survived?
I believe it's been pointed out that Minna has basically declared the UK dead. Any Scottish survivors would end up in Scandinavia in the first few years.
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I also think one needs to think about what sort of government rules any such imagined communities.
Chances are that most would originally have started out under some sort of military rule, like an evacuation zone where the military took the reigns when it became clear that things were going south fast.
Probably very similar to the naval forces we saw in the prologue.
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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #99 on: September 13, 2014, 11:38:57 AM »
I too am of the opinion that the best way to solve a problem is to create a whole new range of problems in the hope that they will replace the original problem.
Sounds like American foreign policy.


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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #100 on: September 13, 2014, 01:03:24 PM »
Sounds like American foreign policy.

Oh dear, that's edgy.

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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #101 on: September 13, 2014, 01:07:04 PM »
I also think one needs to think about what sort of government rules any such imagined communities.
Chances are that most would originally have started out under some sort of military rule, like an evacuation zone where the military took the reigns when it became clear that things were going south fast.
Probably very similar to the naval forces we saw in the prologue.

For the smallest communities two likely options could be some form of tribal democracy or tribal despotism. It would actually not be unexpected if some communities stagnated or collapsed because some community members with weapons decided they were tired of being hungry.

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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #102 on: September 13, 2014, 02:28:19 PM »
Oh dear, that's edgy.
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Re: Survivor communities outside the known world
« Reply #103 on: September 13, 2014, 02:46:11 PM »
I'm afraid in Germany only Bavarians  near the alps would have had survived. The norht-eastern parts surely are quite desrted, but provide no shelter against trolls.

What about small communitys which rely on old powers? Would that raise the chance of surviving, because an intense relationship with natural powers seems to provide shelter against trolls and other weird stuff.
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Re: I expect that USA would be able to withstand the rash disaster
« Reply #104 on: September 13, 2014, 07:56:25 PM »
I definitely think that some areas of America would have survivors, but the government would likely be in shambles. I think however most of the world would be like this, with a few rare exceptions (like Iceland).
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