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Re: TV and Movie Thread
« Reply #105 on: November 10, 2015, 12:16:37 AM »
I ended up seeing The Martian kind of against my will (I wanted to see Crimson Peak, but they'd pulled that out of theaters after only two weeks, and I'd already made plans to go) but it was pretty good. I'm not really in its target demographic I think but it wasn't as boring as I'd feared it would be.

Crimson Peeeaaaak. I had hoped to go see it a second time, but it's gone here too, alas. Too bad; it was delightfully cracktastic.

Glad to hear that The Martian was pretty good; it didn't seem like generally my thing, but perhaps it should go on the to-see list....
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« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2015, 11:12:52 AM »
My dad watches "Vikings" (but that doesn't prove much -- my dad watches ALL the TV).  I hear it's good -- should I give it a try?
It is entertaining. As accurate a depiction of old norse society as a match involving the Minnesota Vikings, but entertaining.

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« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2015, 11:19:00 AM »
The last season of Downton Abbey just finished  :'(
The big finale is going to air as a Christmas special. I will miss that show.
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« Reply #108 on: November 10, 2015, 12:24:18 PM »
My dad watches "Vikings" (but that doesn't prove much -- my dad watches ALL the TV).  I hear it's good -- should I give it a try?
I'm not entirely sure of it's historical value, but it's well-made. Like, the acting is good, the storylines are interesting, etc.
The other thing too is that it's kind of refreshing to see a history-based show that isn't based set somewhere in England, because it seems like most of them are lately?

Also there are some very very attractive people in that show, if that's the sort of thing you care about
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« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2015, 01:00:46 PM »
I'm not entirely sure of it's historical value, but it's well-made.
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« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2015, 01:11:25 PM »
Some of my friends are crying tears of blood but shhhhhhh... *Hadn't try yet*
I will admit that the geography sometimes makes zero sense (why is the king of Denmark having a land dispute with someone from Götaland??? how are they travelling from the Kattegat sea to Uppsala by land?), but I'm willing to overlook that.
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« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2015, 02:31:23 PM »
Welp, I went to see Spectre over the weekend. It wasn't too bad, although it seemed to be a real tone shift from some of the other Daniel Craig Bond movies. It felt almost like it was trying to recapture the feel of the cheesy 70s Bond films, which was a bit jarring after the other three. But I guess it's worth a watch if you've seen the others, although I wouldn't rate it as high as Casino Royale or Skyfall.
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« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2015, 04:53:50 PM »
I will admit that the geography sometimes makes zero sense (why is the king of Denmark having a land dispute with someone from Götaland??? how are they travelling from the Kattegat sea to Uppsala by land?), but I'm willing to overlook that.
The danes and goths were neighbors. Back then, Skåne, Halland and Blekinge were all considered to be danish. Denmark was the only of the modern Scandinavian states to have been roughly unified by the viking era (sweden being split between svealand and gøtaland with numerous more, Norway having its own multitude of petty kings, etc). By 'kattegat' I assumed they meant some part of western Sweden or southern Norway (considering the geography, neither makes too much sense, but still, the series depicts the flatlands of Uppsala as hilland) in which case they could have walked.

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« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2015, 05:27:49 PM »
By 'kattegat' I assumed they meant some part of western Sweden or southern Norway
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« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2015, 10:33:08 PM »
Just got back from a midnight screening of the new Star Wars film! I'd highly recommend it to just about everyone, it's a great movie. (I want to say more but I probably shouldn't...)
Word of warning: you'll want to watch at least the original trilogy first, if you haven't already, just to familiarise yourself with some of the characters.
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Re: TV and Movie Thread
« Reply #115 on: December 17, 2015, 02:47:04 AM »
Just got back from a midnight screening of the new Star Wars film! I'd highly recommend it to just about everyone, it's a great movie. (I want to say more but I probably shouldn't...)
Word of warning: you'll want to watch at least the original trilogy first, if you haven't already, just to familiarise yourself with some of the characters.

Actually, I only finished episode 6 before watching this movie, so maybe that would be your absolute minimum before watching the movie. (And I know SectoBoss, I know the feeling.)
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Re: TV and Movie Thread
« Reply #116 on: January 04, 2016, 05:54:43 PM »
Now that this has become the place to discuss the new Star Wars movie let me take a shot at it:

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I'm really annoyed at how good Rey is at pretty much everything she tries in the movie. I mean, in a roughly chronological order she: Wipes the floor with a trained stormtrooper in hand to hand combat (When Finn meets her in Jakku); pilots the Millennium Falcon and  pulls of better maneuvers than  Han Solo ever did, and Solo had the ship for decades; not only repealed but turned Kylo Ren's mind prove against himself, even though she is completely untrained in the force; somehow knows what a Jedi mind trick is and knows enough technique to perform one; and finally  beats Kylo Ren again when they both try to force pull Anakin's lightsaber(or was it Luke's?). But most importantly it didn't felt like she was ever challenged at all, she just struggled for a few seconds with everything only for the movie to then tell us that she is the best of the best.

I really hope something bad happens to her in the next movie, really bad, bad like in Luke refusing to train her. So that she can face some real adversity from someone.

It's almost like if Peter Jackson had made a LOTR adaptation in which Frodo escapes Moria without help, beats Saruman in a magic duel, and then defeats the king of the Nazgûl in a swordfight. Jackson then handwaves Frodo's power by saying that he is acting in accordance with Eru's(basically the abrahamic god) will.

I mean I like female protagonists on Sci-Fi; Ripley from the Alien franchise if probably my favorite character in the genre. But J.J, Abrahams really overdid her character. Finn and Poe are much more better done.
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« Reply #117 on: January 04, 2016, 07:20:57 PM »
Now that this has become the place to discuss the new Star Wars movie let me take a shot at it:

[spoiler]
I'm really annoyed at how good Rey is at pretty much everything she tries in the movie. I mean, in a roughly chronological order she: Wipes the floor with a trained stormtrooper in hand to hand combat (When Finn meets her in Jakku); pilots the Millennium Falcon and  pulls of better maneuvers than  Han Solo ever did, and Solo had the ship for decades; not only repealed but turned Kylo Ren's mind prove against himself, even though she is completely untrained in the force; somehow knows what a Jedi mind trick is and knows enough technique to perform one; and finally  beats Kylo Ren again when they both try to force pull Anakin's lightsaber(or was it Luke's?). But most importantly it didn't felt like she was ever challenged at all, she just struggled for a few seconds with everything only for the movie to then tell us that she is the best of the best.

I really hope something bad happens to her in the next movie, really bad, bad like in Luke refusing to train her. So that she can face some real adversity from someone.

It's almost like if Peter Jackson had made a LOTR adaptation in which Frodo escapes Moria without help, beats Saruman in a magic duel, and then defeats the king of the Nazgûl in a swordfight. Jackson then handwaves Frodo's power by saying that he is acting in accordance with Eru's(basically the abrahamic god) will.

I mean I like female protagonists on Sci-Fi; Ripley from the Alien franchise if probably my favorite character in the genre. But J.J, Abrahams really overdid her character. Finn and Poe are much more better done.

I'm very tired right now and my parents always told me to never do anything if you can get someone else to do it for you. So I found a small collection of internet articles addressing this very issue instead of trying to blearily argue the other side of this. Hope these help!
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Re: TV and Movie Thread
« Reply #118 on: January 04, 2016, 09:31:21 PM »
I'm very tired right now and my parents always told me to never do anything if you can get someone else to do it for you. So I found a small collection of internet articles addressing this very issue instead of trying to blearily argue the other side of this. Hope these help!
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Because this is kinda long: Teal Deer at the bottom.

Well I read those, I get that the super protagonist that never really fails is done a lot. I also know that she is not the first perfect hero in Star Wars, Anakin is even more horrible (building a robot and a speeder at the age of 8?, somehow flying a  starfighter and destroying the an army with no help, murdering the entirety of the jedi temple alone and unopposed?). And Luke and Han are also perfect heroes. Point conceded on that regard


But the main difference is that at the least, Luke failed in minor things and needed the main cast to save him or help them. In the fourth movie he: gets his head bashed by a tusken raider and almost becomes jerky if it were not for obi-wan, gets in trouble at the cantina and needs obi-wan to save him, then his and Han's plan to rescue Leia would have failed if not for Leia actually guiding them to the exit; then Vader discovers them and Luke doesn't fight him, Obi-wand does, sacrificing himself to save the rest of the heroes (and at the same time popularizing the trope that dooms every mentor archetype to death). From then on he is Mr. Perfect Hero though, but at least by then the movie is almost over. So while he indubitably the hero, he does need support from the rest of the cast to start his journey.

On the other hand Rey never really needs help from the main cast; she beats the two scavengers at the start without Finn doing anything; she then gets herself and Finn out of Jakku; while it's true that  Finn gets the final tie fighter on the escape sequence (but only becuase aligned a perfect shot); then when she gets captured nobody actually needs to help her escape nor is she harmed in any way, the whole scene just shows us us how incredible she is, reveals some plot and moves her to the ending location (lame coincidence, but that one isn't her fault), then she just escapes a high security prison on her own, while mostly offscreen. The only time she is helped is after the battle with Kylo Ren when Chewbacca takes her to the Falcon.

It's not those things that make me roll those eyes, I would expect a hero to do all of those, it's the fact that she does all that and never gets the bad end of the deal once.

I also must give some praise to her character though, because she, unlike Luke, is not the average perfect hero in morals. She clearly has doubts in her abilities, doesn't really want anything to do with saving the galaxy, and is clearly not incorruptible pureness. Case in point: when Kylo Ren murders Han, she is clearly fighting him for the want of vengeance and not for some noble ideal, which I really do hope is foreshadowing that bad things will happen in the future movies.

TLDR: I guess that my problem with Rey is that she just never needs anybody to help her, not in the movie and apparently neither in her backstory (no parents, no trainers, no Jedi mentors, no help from the cast). And I think that that is plain bad storytelling.

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Re: TV and Movie Thread
« Reply #119 on: January 05, 2016, 05:29:06 AM »

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don't take this personally, you are entitled to your own opinion and impression of the movie, but please look deep inside your soul and think about if you're 100% certain you'd have these complaints about rey if she was a male character. because every single female character who ever does anything gets the same criticism for being "too competent". because the way i see it, rey is one of the most important female characters i've ever seen in cinema because she gets to do things guys in movies do ALL THE TIME. yeah, sure, you can nitpick on anything she does, but i've seen the movie thrice and not once did i ever think "well that's just unrealistic". ok, so she beats up some dudes (that are already hurt or have just walked through a desert but whatever) and can pilot some ships, but finn is also like, the only stormtrooper in the galaxy that knows how to hit a target? HOW ABOUT THAT. she still get captured. she still gets rescued. she still gets help. she doesn't do everything on her own! SHE EVEN MAKES MISTAKEs like that with the rathtars!! she even admits to making the mistake!!

Rey is one of the coolest female characters ever and we never get anything like her and star wars is full of mary sues anyway, can we please just have her in peace without people left and right nitpicking her apart! but also i spent yesterday making a starwarsona with an actual rainbow lightsaber so i understand if you wouldn't listen to me.
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