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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2022, 04:59:57 AM »
Thanks JoB for digging it up, I hadn’t seen it. Are all the old vote baits somewhere one could see them?
They haven't been rounded up in a systematic fashion, no - more like Minna forgot to block access to the (several) "secret" folders she used to store them in. I don't think that all the vote baits can be found that way, either; just look at how the current one doesn't use a subdirectory at all ...

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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2022, 06:29:33 AM »
All of this about wearing masks and people not wanting to wear masks and arguing on TV about it is kind of unnerving, looking at it from post - 2020.

And nobody in the comments seems to have noticed anything at all about Minna's blaming the Rash on immigrants, and specifically on illegal immigrants at that. At least, unless she removed those posts.

-- another thing I notice in the comments on some pages is an awful lot of click-on-this assorted spam. It occurs to me that I didn't notice the dates on it, though, and it tends to be later in the comments: maybe it was added after Minna quit paying much attention to the pages?

-- did anybody get a picture of Magnus the cat, that you didn't have to have voted at the time in order to see?

Yeah, having lived what we have, it reads differently! I remember how in early 2020 there were many Disqus comments on how the Covid-19 will be the end of the world. Several people took a long break or stopped reading around then because they found it too upsetting. Lucky us Covid wasn’t quite that bad!

As for the illegal immigrants… the world has changed since 2013! The oft-ridiculed “wokeism” seems to work, and it’s not ok anymore to just drop stuff like that and not called out. Based on what I can recall of how public discussion was in Finland around then, I’m willing to read it as negligence rather than malevolence.

I mean that I assume (note, I’m only guessing!) that the thought process could have been that the pathogen appeared somewhere far away and exotic, so… let’s say Africa. And then it spread in a way that prevented the origin to be learned. So, hey, immigrants! Rather than “let’s make a tale of how those people destroy Europe”. It’s not ok, it’s blatantly racist, but I think it could be casual rather than intentional racism. Which, arguably, is the more dangerous kind, as it permeates everything and influences everyone’s thinking. As is demonstrated by the fact she and the commenters at the time didn’t pay active attention to it.

I support this reading by the way none of the talkshow people attack immigrants over it. It would have been natural avenue for stressing the issue, which she didn’t use, so I HOPE (I very much hope!) that the racism was in failing to see it’s not alright rather than in trying to push anti-immigration agenda. Immigration became much more of an issue in public discussion in Finland (ad elsewhere in Europe) in 2015, so this precedes that.
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2022, 09:16:32 AM »
Yes, I think blaming it on "illegal immigrants" may well have been a matter of background assumptions, not of active malice. And I was commenting on the fact that nobody seemed to have noticed it at the time (at least unless Minna went into defense mode and removed the comments) partly as an indicator that things have changed; in this particular fandom, and to some extent elsewhere (though the change elsewhere seems to have been moving in both directions.)

-- JoB, thanks for finding the Magnus picture! He looks rather annoyed in that one, doesn't he?

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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2022, 09:35:30 AM »
-- JoB, thanks for finding the Magnus picture! He looks rather annoyed in that one, doesn't he?
He used to be the beloved pet of a high-profile businessman. There's no way he'd be anything but His Indignated Majesty once they all had to crash on the Madsen farm. ;D
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM »
He used to be the beloved pet of a high-profile businessman. There's no way he'd be anything but His Indignated Majesty once they all had to crash on the Madsen farm. ;D

The pet of Mr Big Businessman Crybaby Madsen, to be exact :)
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2022, 02:10:33 PM »
Page 33 --

the "Christmas card" below the page --

hey, I know those people! But who is that cat?!

(I guess Minna just didn't know what she looks like yet.)

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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2022, 04:20:14 PM »
In the comments on page 35, from Minna:


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Now that you made me think of it I can't remember ever having drawn people kissing. Not once. (Also I close my eyes and make a disgusted scrunchy-face when I see people kiss on TV or in movies because I'm 10 years old.

-- let's see; that's 2013. In 2013 Minna thought people kissing was disgusting. Anybody know offhand if there have been contradictory comments to that since?

Not my business of course, except that it might have influenced the comic.

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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2022, 12:14:20 AM »
Kissing romantically, none.  The only budding romance we saw in canon was expressed through goo-goo eyes (and a horse).  Canon kisses from memory (probably not an exhaustive list):
Siv kissed Emil as a greeting at one point (he didn't like it much). Onni was going in for a hug to greet Minna Lalli but stopped short.  Tuulikki kissed 'funny bunny' Lalli, much to the amusement of smol Emil & Reynir.  Reynir himself almost got kissed by his mum, but she decided to scream at him instead.
With that level of aversion by Minna, I'm surprised the kade couldn't ensnare people with a kiss to convey true Evil

And seconding that link for the image of Magnus - I had no idea, and my day is so much better for having viewed it, so thank you JoB.

I'm glad people liked my story.  (Signe made off with the boat's supply of booze?  Jenever = gin  It's not specified precisely where the wheelbarrow and jumbo bag of cat food were from, but all sorts of things can get confused at the docks, y'know)

The umbrella strikes again! XD  (that will segue nicely into the next segment to be re-read, Mikkeli)
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2022, 05:43:33 AM »
Argh, the pre-Disqus comments are not loading for me! Not in any browser or device. I can see them only once they switch to Disqus, on page 65. (I could see them up until a couple of days ago; maybe they're not available in Switzerland? I will try a VPN when I stop feeling lazy.

Oh, and if we're listing hugs, there were many, many more. Like Emil hugging the triplets, or Mikkel hugging Emil and Lalli upon their return (they just stood there, probably too tired to object). But as for kisses: Sigrun kissed her money envelope on page 22 of Adventure Two.



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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2022, 07:16:14 AM »
But as for kisses: Sigrun kissed her money envelope on page 22 of Adventure Two.
Considering the strict division of labor, that's pretty much like kissing Torbjörn by proxy, isn't it? :torbjorn:
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #85 on: April 18, 2022, 07:33:46 AM »
Wow, JoB, I didn't know that you had such a refined taste in crack pairings. Sigrun/Torb is pretty obscure. I don't think I've seen it yet! (Sigrun/Siv, otoh, I've seen fan art for.)
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« Reply #86 on: April 18, 2022, 07:46:29 AM »
Wow, JoB, I didn't know that you had such a refined taste in crack pairings. Sigrun/Torb is pretty obscure. I don't think I've seen it yet!
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Yes, of course we're talking about Barry! The only character even quieter than Lalli, especially with 'em durned firearms.
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #87 on: April 18, 2022, 09:46:45 AM »
Wow, JoB, I didn't know that you had such a refined taste in crack pairings. Sigrun/Torb is pretty obscure. I don't think I've seen it yet! (Sigrun/Siv, otoh, I've seen fan art for.)

That's because Sigrun sees him as her uncle. Granted, he's not exactly her blood-uncle but still. Mikkel and Sigrun though...
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #88 on: April 18, 2022, 09:53:05 AM »
No, Trond is Sigrun’s “uncle”, Torb = Torbjörn is Emil’s (actual) uncle whom Sig probably hadn’t met before Øresund. So slightly less unlikely. Still, not very likely at all.
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Re: The End of the World As We Know It - A1 Prologue
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2022, 11:26:34 AM »
Yes, I meant Torbjörn, the envelope hander-outer and Emil's uncle. I can't remember seeing him paired with anyone other than Siv! Weird

(Trond, I've heard people pair with Taru, that one captain he blackmailed, and Lalli.)

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