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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #120 on: May 23, 2021, 08:33:09 PM »
That's so gross. I definitely would get annoyed if someone were to ask me smile more. Being bad with facial expressions I would say my face is neutral and I could see myself using that to my advantage.
I am considered very pretty and have an hourglass figure but as a natural recluse I don't interact with people a lot so I never have had someone talk to me like that. I would like to think I'd say something sassy or funny but realistically it'll probably be more like " No, that's ok. I don't need to." Or "Okay" then just not do anything.
I really feel bad for y'all who have to deal with that garbage. It's surprisingly easy to compliment people without saying things like "you'd look better if"...

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« Reply #121 on: May 23, 2021, 09:18:52 PM »
Sorry for the derailment, I feel like that was my fault. Um. Oops!

Back to the topic more or less at hand, regarding continuing to wear a mask: I've found another excellent reason to continue to do so. The 2020 - 2021 flu season statistics as compared to the 2019 - 2020 flu season statistics for the United States. I don't know about other countries, but I'm willing to bet they're similar based on percentage of population.

2019 - 2020: All symptomatic cases: more than 38 MILLION; pediatric deaths (ages 0 - 17): 434.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html#:~:text=CDC%20estimates%20that%20the%20burden,flu%20deaths%20(Table%201)

2020 - 2021: All symptomatic cases: Less than two thousand! Pediatric deaths: one.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2021, 11:46:12 PM »
A little derailment isn't so bad.
Oh, wow interesting! Maybe we all should be wearing masks during flu season. I honestly wouldn't be too bothered by it although I'm sure so many anti maskers would throw a fit.

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« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2021, 12:42:21 AM »
I'm sure so many anti maskers would throw a fit.
And just like that, I found another reason to continue wearing them.  >:D
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2021, 01:32:38 AM »
Tarnagh, you were completely on topic! And I also think it’s not bad that the discussions are organic and go where people want to take them. If a branch becomes overly prominent, it can be cut into a discussion of its own, but a little sidestepping is good!

Also I think we can expect to have some citizenship cake soon in the promotion celebrations thread :)
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« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2021, 01:46:02 AM »
Also I think we can expect to have some citizenship cake soon in the promotion celebrations thread :)
Yay, cake! :)
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2021, 06:55:49 AM »
Back to the topic more or less at hand, regarding continuing to wear a mask: I've found another excellent reason to continue to do so. The 2020 - 2021 flu season statistics as compared to the 2019 - 2020 flu season statistics for the United States. I don't know about other countries, but I'm willing to bet they're similar based on percentage of population.
Don't have all the exact numbers at hand, but yes, the verdict is that the last flu season pretty much was a no-show in Germany, too.


Of course, that's not just the masks causing that effect, nor the entire bunch of "everyday measures" against COVID-19 (called "gestes barrières" in France, "AHA+L" in Germany¹, etc. ad nauseam), or even travel restrictions or curfews. The range of causes goes all the way to people mysteriously (heh) getting more interested in obtaining flu shots than before. (My GP asked me whether I would want one during a routine appointment, she'd never asked before.)

Which brings me back to something I mentioned elsewhere before, the possibility that there'll be a combined flu+COVID vaccine in the future, the probable near-necessity of getting the latter furthering the coverage of the former ...

¹ ETA: That's what, the third acronym they had to come up with as the list of things to do changed? They narrowly avoided having to replace the A for "Alltagsmaske" - i.e., non-rated mask; we're up to medical or FFP2, in some cases only the latter, by now - by creative backronyming.
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2021, 09:33:56 AM »
Vulpes, do you appear male? It's a thing mostly done to women. Men are generally allowed to look serious without anybody commenting on it.

Apparently I'm ambiguous. I've been addressed at various times as anything from "sir" to "little girl"... the latter being particularly offensive, because (a) I was in my late 20s, clearly not "little" anything, and (b) the person saying was an older male who was being incredibly condescending, assuming that anyone looking at stereo equipment who appeared female couldn't possibly know what they're looking for. But he didn't ask me to smile, and I certainly wasn't smiling when I gave him a pretty techincal answer to his "How can I help you, little girl?" (In retrospect, my answer should have suggested an anatomical impossibility involving him and the stereo equipment, but I was raised to be polite and ignore it when people are arseholes.)

:) I was also very happy to wear a mask all winter because it helps keep your face a bit warmer than it would be otherwise! It's kind of like wearing a scarf covering your face, but less uncomfortable. <snip>

I hope you're ready to speak rather loudly! Your voice does get somewhat muffled if you wear too thick a mask. <snip>

(I also have an older sister, I kind of miss the intense bitterness and hatred we held for each other in our childhood :P)

Yes to mask as scarf substitute! It can be really windy here, especially in parking lots, so it was nice to pop the mask on in the car and not have to deal with icy wind and blowing snow getting into the store.

I absolutely expect to wear out my voice trying to lecture through the mask. Another reason to do some classes remotely - reduce the strain on my vocal cords, because I'm pretty sure I don't project properly. I had a little vocal training, but it's really only enough to know that I'm projecting ineffectively, not enough to fix it.

I don't miss the fighting with my sister! She's six years my senior, so when we were little, she could beat me up, and did - although now, whenever I mention some dreadful thing she did to me, she says, "I would never have done that!" Yeah, I don't think I'm misremembering the time you nearly dislocated my shoulder, that kind of thing sticks in the memory, you know? She moved out when there was still a considerable size difference between us. She was home visiting a few years later, and started in with her usual poking and pestering. I asked her to stop. She didn't. I had Had Enough, and swung around and punched her in the gut. Just then our mum walked in the room. My sister howled that I'd punched her... and Mum said, "About time," and turned around and left us to sort it out between us. We've gotten along much better since then!

Many of them even view it as if it’s a positive thing to say. <snip>

This is what makes it so hard to correct that type of behaviour. Why are you annoyed? I just gave you a compliment! It was sincere! You have no business being offended!

My mother used to get enraged when people (often other women) would say, "You look so nice with makeup," on the odd occasion when she wore any. She would grit her teeth and say thanks, but would fume later, "So, do I look terrible the rest of the time?" I am really careful about complimenting people's appearance - male or female - because of this implied judgement of their appearance the rest of the time. I feel pretty safe with a haircut - after all, they presumably got it cut because they thought it was getting messy - but I think twice for other things!

Tarnagh, those are incredible stats! Thanks for the links, I'll definitely be digging a little deeper. It's obviously about more than just masks, but does vividly demonstrate how bad the pandemic would have been without the various measures taken.
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2021, 01:54:20 PM »
Tarnagh, those are incredible stats! Thanks for the links, I'll definitely be digging a little deeper. It's obviously about more than just masks, but does vividly demonstrate how bad the pandemic would have been without the various measures taken.
Very welcome! :)

It may have rather a lot to do with masks - although social distancing and people being more conscious of washing their nasty hands certainly helped - because of the size of the virus cells. Influenza virus is larger than Coronavirus, so the masks did a better job preventing the transmission of flu viruses in a pretty significant way.

ETA: I'm dumb. I just realized the graphic I provided was indicative of the death toll from each disease, not the size of the virus cells. I know I've seen something that did a size comparison on different diseases like that and my mission for the day is to find it again. :)

ETA2: Maybe I imagined the particle size thing because I'm not finding anything on it now. :/  Consensus seems to be that the flu didn't have a chance to get off the ground due to the isolation measures this past year - working from home, school from home, less gathering in large groups, along with the flu having a much shorter incubation time than Covid.

Regardless, the good news is that the measures that worked for Covid also work really well for the flu.
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« Reply #129 on: May 24, 2021, 03:35:01 PM »
There was also talk of how our definition of "normal" has never been "normal" for those with disabilities. It gave me a lot to think about this past year.
Hear hear. I think using "normal" says more about expectations and previous experience, than about any mean or average. Not just in the context of disabilities.
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« Reply #130 on: May 24, 2021, 03:53:29 PM »
There was also talk of how our definition of "normal" has never been "normal" for those with disabilities. It gave me a lot to think about this past year.
Hear hear. I think using "normal" says more about expectations and previous experience, than about any mean or average. Not just in the context of disabilities.
I'll second this. "Normal" to me means "returning to the status quo" and over the last year we've been shown how badly that was working for nearly everyone, but absolutely a greater impact on people with disabilities.

I don't want to go back to that. I really don't think we should.
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« Reply #131 on: May 25, 2021, 03:04:17 AM »
because of the size of the virus cells. Influenza virus is larger than Coronavirus, so the masks did a better job preventing the transmission of flu viruses in a pretty significant way.
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ETA2: Maybe I imagined the particle size thing because I'm not finding anything on it now. :/
"The" size of viruses is not a nailed-down number. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the uncertainty is still higher, so numbers range both lower and higher; for example, I see a statement of "between 20 and 500 nm" right now. On the other hand, "between 80 and 120 nm" is an estimate that you can find for both.

As far as masks are concerned, it doesn't matter, though; they're barriers for droplets that can carry viruses, a "naked" virus will slip through unhindered (but has serious trouble getting to someone else's mask in the first place).

"Normal" to me means "returning to the status quo"
(I think you mean the status quo ante.)
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Re: Covid 19 - Thoughts and feelings
« Reply #132 on: May 25, 2021, 01:32:08 PM »
"The" size of viruses is not a nailed-down number. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the uncertainty is still higher, so numbers range both lower and higher; for example, I see a statement of "between 20 and 500 nm" right now. On the other hand, "between 80 and 120 nm" is an estimate that you can find for both.

As far as masks are concerned, it doesn't matter, though; they're barriers for droplets that can carry viruses, a "naked" virus will slip through unhindered (but has serious trouble getting to someone else's mask in the first place).
(I think you mean the status quo ante.)
Thank you for that. :)

Whatever I think I mean, I don't want to go back to it. Too many people suffer under that system. We need to do better and the last year has proven that we *can* do better. Corporations just hate anything that "hurts" their bottom line. (For a certain value of "hurt." They hate losing a couple million off their billions, y'know.)
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« Reply #133 on: May 26, 2021, 12:06:00 AM »
Whatever I think I mean, I don't want to go back to it. Too many people suffer under that system. We need to do better and the last year has proven that we *can* do better. Corporations just hate anything that "hurts" their bottom line. (For a certain value of "hurt." They hate losing a couple million off their billions, y'know.)

Yeah, I think what people meant by "normal" or "status quo ante" or however else you say it is things that they took for granted in everyday life. Y'know, things that you just do for fun and don't really think about or miss until it's gone. But the things people took for granted were already difficult or never possible to begin with for people with certain disabilities. Corporations obviously want it restored to the "status quo ante" because that was what got them money, but compassion for those who won't get to enjoy any of what we'll get back should take priority.

Hrrrrrrm... I volunteered with a program that helped isolated seniors during the pandemic. I still do because, y'know, it's not over yet. I don't think I can just go back to what society used to be like, with what I learned from that experience.

I don't miss the fighting with my sister! She's six years my senior, so when we were little, she could beat me up, and did - although now, whenever I mention some dreadful thing she did to me, she says, "I would never have done that!" Yeah, I don't think I'm misremembering the time you nearly dislocated my shoulder, that kind of thing sticks in the memory, you know? She moved out when there was still a considerable size difference between us. She was home visiting a few years later, and started in with her usual poking and pestering. I asked her to stop. She didn't. I had Had Enough, and swung around and punched her in the gut. Just then our mum walked in the room. My sister howled that I'd punched her... and Mum said, "About time," and turned around and left us to sort it out between us. We've gotten along much better since then!

Oh dear... I'm kidding, or maybe reflecting bitterly upon my sister's relationship with me. I do remember my sister and I also fought physically as children, but there was absolutely no bullying allowed in this household! There'd be dire consequences if it genuinely included ill intent. I'm glad you managed to work it out with your sister, though! She sounds like she was way too mean in your youth :( I agree with your mother, it definitely was about time.

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« Reply #134 on: May 26, 2021, 12:51:19 AM »
Yeah, I think what people meant by "normal" or "status quo ante" or however else you say it is things that they took for granted in everyday life. Y'know, things that you just do for fun and don't really think about or miss until it's gone. But the things people took for granted were already difficult or never possible to begin with for people with certain disabilities. Corporations obviously want it restored to the "status quo ante" because that was what got them money, but compassion for those who won't get to enjoy any of what we'll get back should take priority.

Hrrrrrrm... I volunteered with a program that helped isolated seniors during the pandemic. I still do because, y'know, it's not over yet. I don't think I can just go back to what society used to be like, with what I learned from that experience.
Compassion. Exactly this. The old "normal" or "status quo ante" lacks that. The disregard for huge chunks of the population is appalling. Good on you for helping with isolated seniors! I'm sure they appreciate it.

A friend of mine once said to me, "A library burns down every time an old person dies." I've never forgotten that because it's just so ... profound. There's a lot we could learn from our elders if we only took the time to listen.
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