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dmeck7755

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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2022, 02:52:53 PM »
I tried to make one, they came out nice, but I could not remove the facial hair.  It is hard..





I think without the beard this one I like
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2022, 03:18:55 PM »
In MidJourney, you can get rid of the beard with --no beard.  It took me forever to discover that.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2022, 03:33:10 PM »
Lwise that is one great Emil!
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2022, 03:33:44 PM »
Thank you!
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2022, 04:01:48 PM »
lwise, I am impressed! That must have taken great patience. I've never used an AI art generator before, and don't know that I every will, but out of curiosity, would you be willing to share some of the prompts that you had to fine-tune to make any of these images come out?
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2022, 04:06:33 PM »
Oh, sure, to the extent that I can reconstruct them.  This took many, many tries.  At one point I counted and found I'd done 14 rerolls, but I decided not to count anymore because it was discouraging.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2022, 04:12:13 PM »
I'm going to work backwards.  This was the final image from MidJourney, after I cleaned it up.



You can see how dense the shadows are, even after I lightened them, and thin white lines on his shoulders.  This looks like a cartoon.  I fed it to NightCafe with these settings:

Text Prompts
"realistic detailed portrait of young man, 8k resolution, shoulder-length straight blond hair, blue eyes, photorealistic, hyperrealism, sharp, enhance, super resolution, clarify, contrast, dehaze, sharpening"

Weight: 1

Initial Resolution
Thumb

Runtime
Short

Seed
1087386629

Overall Prompt Weight
50%

Noise Weight
10%

Model Version
Stable Diffusion v1.5

Sampling method
K_LMS

CLIP Guidance
NONE

Setting noise weight to 10% keeps the overall shape similar to the original, though not entirely.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2022, 04:24:26 PM »
The prompt in MidJourney looked like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/3JtStRLt/Emil.png realistic detailed portrait of young man, 8k resolution, shoulder-length straight blond hair, blue eyes, photorealistic, hyperrealism, sharp, enhance, super resolution, clarify, contrast, dehaze, sharpening

That link takes you to the drawing that I copied out of the Character description.  I put that in, and then rerolled and rerolled and chose variants until I got a version with reasonably decent hair:



You can see why I had to clean up the image a bit.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2022, 04:32:51 PM »
Róisín's and moredhel's comments about creativity got me thinking:

Quote from: moredhel on December 06, 2022, 07:14:10 PM
I do not believe in Talent it is just a question of practice.

Quote from: Róisín on December 07, 2022, 04:14:04 AM
...I have to argue with that assumption! Despite having had many lessons and practised hard throughout my life, I have no artistic ability whatever, I can barely draw a stick figure. I inherited the family music and wordskill no problems, and those do improve with use, and strangely I can carve, sculpt, embroider, work metal and such with no problems, but painting and drawing utterly elude me. No idea why! Hence the blanket assumption of ‘it just takes practice’ annoys me.

It's surprising how far a person can go in developing a skill by continued practice, and you have discovered this too, Róisín, speaking of your crafting abilities.

When my family members say they could never draw, I tell them that drawing a (insert thing) so that it looks like (same thing) is done by practicing two things: training the eye to see everything as it is (believe it or not, the point is to NOT let your imagination make stuff up at this point); and training the hand to translate the image on a page.

In this activity, the Thomas Carlyle quote is accurate: "Genius is an infinite capacity for taking pains." The more careful your eyes and hands are, the closer your picture will look like the real thing. Those of us that have easily distracted eyes and unsteady hands have to practice a little harder, but it's still possible to render objects faithfully with practice!

I can also agree with Róisín in this way: "talent" can be a person's ability to take what they see and make something new and exciting out of it. It's the point where a person moves from drawing a tree, to somehow also expressing the feelings they feel when seeing that tree, all on the same page.

Some of this can be learned (like learning to appreciate the differences in fine wines), but some people do appear to have a "headstart" - an innate sense of what will thrill the rest of us in some way.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2022, 04:34:26 PM »
By the way, I did all the work in V3 of MidJourney.  I didn't find out until the middle of last night (early this morning) that I could use V4, which is much better.  I tried the prompt again just now, in V4, and it looks better, though I would still have to reroll and reroll and so on.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2022, 04:38:06 PM »
That's really amazing, lwise - I read your prompts and you were very specific about wanting a realistic portrait, but MidJourney still gave you some "cartoony" outlines.

I can only speculate that MidJourney took your initial photo reference very seriously, and given that Minna's drawing does have outlines, the outlines were considered indispensable by the AI.

Either way I think you came up with a handsome image - you're learning to use the tools to good effect!
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2022, 04:46:48 PM »
I kept adding things to try to get a more realistic result.  I've done a few reruns with V4, and it's doing a better job.

Wait until you see Reynir!  I'm planning to put him out tomorrow.  I don't want to flood the forum.
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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2022, 08:17:30 AM »
Reynir:



In case you're interested:

Spoiler: Making of the image • show

I started with the drawing from the Characters page.



This is my MidJourney prompt.  Originally I had it as "idealistic young man", but that didn't work well, so I switched to "happy young man".

https://i.postimg.cc/W1DT9yPC/reynir.png realistic detailed portrait of happy young man, 8k resolution, shoulder-length wavy red hair, green eyes, long red braid draped over his shoulder, photorealistic, hyperrealism, sharp, enhance, super resolution, clarify, contrast, dehaze, sharpening

This is the result from MidJourney:



I passed that over to NightCafe as the base image and generated using these settings (I try to use the same prompt for both programs):

Creation Settings
Text Prompts
"realistic detailed portrait of happy young man, 8k resolution, shoulder-length wavy red hair, green eyes, long red braid draped over his shoulder, photorealistic, hyperrealism, sharp, enhance, super resolution, clarify, contrast, dehaze, sharpening"

Weight: 1   Save

Initial Resolution
Thumb

Runtime
Short

Seed
220536683

Overall Prompt Weight
50%

Noise Weight
10%

Model Version
Stable Diffusion v1.5

Sampling method
K_LMS

CLIP Guidance
NONE

Here's the output from NightCafe, still not satisfactory:



So I sent that back to MidJourney with the same prompt as above, except with that as the base image.  And just three rolls later I had my result.
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dmeck7755

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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2022, 09:25:07 AM »
Reynir looks great.  He looks almost like the Duke of Sussex lol
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Fate gives all of us three teachers, three friends, three enemies, and three great loves in our lives. But these twelve are always disguised, and we never know which one is which until we've loved them, left them, or fought them.

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Re: AI assisted art
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2022, 09:31:09 AM »
Maybe when the AI went looking for pictures of redheaded men, it found a lot of pictures of the Duke of Sussex.
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