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Title: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Richard Weir on March 24, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
OK, new main character, new CD thread. How is this young man going to reveal his character, and how is it going to change as the story progresses.

The first bit of learning he acquires is "don't jump ship at any random stop on a sea-voyage. Make sure you know where the ship is!"

Will he learn this? Or has Emil's assault already rendered him too stunned to learn readily?

From what we have seen of him so far, he is young and naive. Possibly a bit reckless?

(Title changed AND corrected -- thanks Sutremaine!)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on March 24, 2015, 09:18:00 PM
I think learning is actually going to be rather key to his character. Until recently I imagined Braidy would be the more experienced mage who would teach Lalli - like a proper, academy educated Icelandic mage. Now I think he's in fact the one who has next to zero knowledge and Onni will have to be dragged in to mitigate the inexperience and teach us, the readers, via Braidy, about the more magical side of the world.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 24, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
Now I think he's in fact the one who has next to zero knowledge and Onni will have to be dragged in to mitigate the inexperience and teach us, the readers, via Braidy, about the more magical side of the world.

Oohh I never really considered Braidy as being an exposition device! It would make sense though, since we got to see a lot of the trolls/rash in the previous chapter so now I feel like the magic needs some explaining too!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Piney on March 24, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
Oohh I never really considered Braidy as being an exposition device! It would make sense though, since we got to see a lot of the trolls/rash in the previous chapter so now I feel like the magic needs some explaining too!

And I imagine Onni knowing Icelandic has got to play a part at some point.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Inspector Wallander on March 24, 2015, 10:52:23 PM
There's going to be serious friction between him and Siggy.  You thought she went off hard on Emil back in the field hospital?  To quote the old song, You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 24, 2015, 11:42:15 PM
And I imagine Onni knowing Icelandic has got to play a part at some point.
I do remember Minna saying that Onni will have an important secondary part to play later, so... You may be onto something!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Piney on March 24, 2015, 11:53:20 PM
I do remember Minna saying that Onni will have an important secondary part to play later, so... You may be onto something!

Heh, more credit should go to Vafhudr, who actually has a theory. ::)

(and @thread creator, I'm going to be that person and say that his last name's Árnason, not Arnisson)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Richard Weir on March 25, 2015, 12:02:20 AM
Thanks Piney - but I saw Sutremaine's PM before I saw your post!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: corncobman on March 25, 2015, 12:23:01 AM
Quote
I do remember Minna saying that Onni will have an important secondary part to play later, so... You may be onto something!

"You're related to Onni? He's the one who taught me how to herd sheep. With magic."
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 25, 2015, 03:40:04 AM
Reynir, I like that name! I'm not sure if Minna did this deliberately but it's actually common that people have some names repeat in their family a lot, so Árni Reynisson having a great grandson by the name Reynir Árnason fits really well. Heh, if you count down Icelandic people's family lines long enough you'll always end in a situation where everyone's called Jón Jónsson for generations... :D

Editing to add: Reynir's name means a rowan tree (http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynivi%C3%B0ur). The verb "reyna" (= to try) also declines as "reynir" - hann reynir = he tries.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on March 25, 2015, 07:31:26 AM
I wonder if people will start to use the proper name rather than Braidy now. Nahh far simpler to say Braidy  ;D
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 25, 2015, 07:56:41 AM
On the upside Braidy and Reynir at least sound similar...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Mayabird on March 25, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
He'll need to learn to start wearing gas masks in a hurry.  I hope they brought spares.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 25, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
On the upside Braidy and Reynir at least sound similar...
Reynir Breynir
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 25, 2015, 10:40:41 AM
Editing to add: Reynir's name means a rowan tree (http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynivi%C3%B0ur). The verb "reyna" (= to try) also declines as "reynir" - hann reynir = he tries.
Ooh, that's so cool! Thanks for that little bit of info <3
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: BrainBlow on March 25, 2015, 11:04:51 AM
Hah, Reynir is about as old as I expected. Some thought he would be 15-17.

I think one of the biggest parts about Reynir's immediate development is going to be about his relationship to Sigrun. She is not going to like having him around, and she'll probably give him a ton of s*** for a long time even though it's not really his fault he got dumped there.
What I do wonder, though, is future expeditions. It's been implied this will just be the first expedition, so what about Braidy? Will he develop a thirst for adventure in the silent world? Will he find his niche that can make him helpful on expedition?

It's been suggested a while ago (even before Lalli got introduced)by Minna that Reynir doesn't actually know he's a mage.
Quote from: Minna
http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=67
Oh! And two of the main characters are mages too! One of them knows it, one doesn't and will find out later. And those two mages won't be from the same country, nope. Wanna guess which two it'll be?
So that will probably be significant. Lalli knows he is, but he doesn't know it himself. Interesting.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 25, 2015, 11:18:53 AM
Hah, Reynir is about as old as I expected. Some thought he would be 15-17.

I think one of the biggest parts about Reynir's immediate development is going to be about his relationship to Sigrun.

it's true that
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c501a9d7552e76aba050961951fe1008/tumblr_inline_nlrwy539Nt1r2g2kx_500.png)

but then again, she does count Not Dying On The First Day as potential........... and at the drawing on the front page she seems pretty nice to him, so we'll see!! surely she won't be threatened by a fellow redhead competing with her Superior Tallness.

I wonder if Lalli will explain to tuuri that he saw reynir in the dreamworld, causing confusiona and/or questions about his possibly being a mage?

(also weheyy Reynir's my ageeee)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 25, 2015, 11:23:05 AM
Hah, Reynir is about as old as I expected. Some thought he would be 15-17.

I think one of the biggest parts about Reynir's immediate development is going to be about his relationship to Sigrun. She is not going to like having him around, and she'll probably give him a ton of s*** for a long time even though it's not really his fault he got dumped there.
What I do wonder, though, is future expeditions. It's been implied this will just be the first expedition, so what about Braidy? Will he develop a thirst for adventure in the silent world? Will he find his niche that can make him helpful on expedition?
I also thought thought he would be younger! But, presumably the fact that he's spent his whole life on one farm (as far as has been implied, anyway) makes him less mature than his age suggests.

I actually was JUST wondering the same thing, like literally 15 minutes ago, whether he's just along for this ONE adventure or if he's staying for the long-run. I mean, presumably if he's a main character Minna isn't going to only have him hang around for a chapter and then disappear... (I hope not...)
Though with the bridge out, the possibility of even our MAIN crew making it back safely is kind of in question.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 25, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
I actually was JUST wondering the same thing, like literally 15 minutes ago, whether he's just along for this ONE adventure or if he's staying for the long-run. I mean, presumably if he's a main character Minna isn't going to only have him hang around for a chapter and then disappear... (I hope not...)
Though with the bridge out, the possibility of even our MAIN crew making it back safely is kind of in question.
Well, seeing as he has been in every group photo since the start of the series, and is the face of many banners + the hive works logo of the site, it's almost as if he's the designated Face of the series.... I think it's safe to say he'll stick around for a while

edit: dang, why didn't I say "it's safe to say he'll stay"
you know
for Title Drop purposes
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Curry on March 25, 2015, 11:32:33 AM
Well, seeing as he has been in every group photo since the start of the series, and is the face of many banners + the hive works logo of the site, it's almost as if he's the designated Face of the series.... I think it's safe to say he'll stick around for a while

Thank gosh as he seems to have taken the very important postition of Actual Favorite in my heart, although I love everybody in this comic.
He seems like he would be more useful eventually, keeping Tuuri company and also doing magey things? It's been canonly said (no reference link on hand) that he's the most useless though, so...
((also, I got his age Spot On and thought he was 20, exactly, what a successful guess for once!))
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: AquaAurion on March 25, 2015, 01:10:08 PM
Well, seeing as he has been in every group photo since the start of the series, and is the face of many banners + the hive works logo of the site, it's almost as if he's the designated Face of the series.... I think it's safe to say he'll stick around for a while

edit: dang, why didn't I say "it's safe to say he'll stay"
you know
for Title Drop purposes

I always figured that the text on the left of this page:  http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=65 (http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=65) was some kind of contract for the crew, which suggests he's in for the long run. I seriously doubt Minna would have posted so much concept art of him if she's getting rid of him :P
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on March 25, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
With a pretty face like that it's hard not to have him as the mascot.

He will stay. Once he learns about magic (I too subscribe to the idea that he's not a mage - though my initial assessment of him was that he was, in fact, an experienced mage - but on second thought, he doesn't need to know about magic to have his soul wander during sleep. Hannu was probably no mage and he did it. :P Plus, considering his ancestor's stance, magic sensitivity was probably suppressed in his family to avoid complications, the imperative being to lead a normal, boring life, away from all the weird stuff beyond the shores of Iceland. So he raised sheeps, while in his sleep he travelled far and wide in the spirit world) , he will be useful. Like cool - free mage. Maybe. He needs a bit of training first to be useful. But that's okay. The group is divided in roughly three brackets:

Very Experienced (Sigrun, Mikkel)
Dad and mom, basically. Actual adult military personnel who have plenty of experience in and off the battlefield.

Experienced (Emil and Lalli)
They both know what they are doing when they are doing their job (Lalli can scout and Emil can sure burn things), but they lack the experience of the two others. They are also held back by their personality issues - Emil is still stuck with his elite conditioning and Lalli, inversely seems barely socialized due to his job.

Inexperienced (Tuuri and Reynir)
Both have no experience with the Silent World  - They both wanted to get out from where they were (the military base and the farm), but Tuuri seems to be very excited about the outside world while Reynir, his motivations pending, doesn't seem particularly thrilled so far. They are also both not immune. Interestingly enough, Reynir is depicted in a bunch of concept art/doodles with tools on his belts, like Tuuri, possibly meaning he will be something of a mechanic/support type as well.

So yeah. He's got his place on the team, I'd say - balances things out.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 25, 2015, 09:52:36 PM
Plus, considering his ancestor's stance, magic sensitivity was probably suppressed in his family to avoid complications, the imperative being to lead a normal, boring life, away from all the weird stuff beyond the shores of Iceland.
I don't know about that... I may be reading too much into things, but Arni's complains of poor sleep and terrible dreams seem pretty close to what Lalli himself experiences. We don't know when exactly magic showed up yet, but going off of that alone, I'd say there's a fairly good chance that magical abilities run in the family.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on March 25, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
By that I meant that it would have been written off as something else - I personally think that they were all a bunch of mages, but by suppression I meant not the powers but rather they would never be caught calling themselves mages. They would chalk it up to night terrors, vivid imagination, elves - who knows - but not magic. Nope. Definitely not. Nothing to do with all these shenanigans out there. We are normal people here.

Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 25, 2015, 11:04:17 PM
By that I meant that it would have been written off as something else - I personally think that they were all a bunch of mages, but by suppression I meant not the powers but rather they would never be caught calling themselves mages. They would chalk it up to night terrors, vivid imagination, elves - who knows - but not magic. Nope. Definitely not. Nothing to do with all these shenanigans out there. We are normal people here.

That kind of implies that mages and magical users are considered something abnormal, which... I don't know, doesn't seem to be the case? There's a mage training academy IN Iceland, Sigrun talks about working with mages in the past, I think it's not really a huge deal in those countries. I think the info page even said that most Finns can use spells to some degree, so it's probably too widespread to be considered something weird or unnatural.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on March 25, 2015, 11:11:21 PM
It does not because it is limited to that family, not the whole society. While we know nothing of recruitment methods so far, we could imagine that mages are actively searched for and trained since they are such a tremendous asset against the monsters. It would require perhaps, inversedly, considerable amount of efforts to dissimulate and hide someone with a connection to the spirit world. This could be done by isolation - the farmstead was far away from the reach of the Academy, or dissimulation - the potential was hidden or denied, common features were explained or rationalized within the context of the family and dissuaded more generally.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Sunflower on March 25, 2015, 11:12:21 PM
I think Vafhudr's talking about Arni himself and his family, in (and before) Year Zero, when he says they "would never be caught dead talking about themselves as mages." 

Especially since Arni's in the military, in a role that depends on accurate vision for what's in THIS world *only*.

EDIT:  Ooops.  My attempt to read Vafhudr's mind failed.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on March 25, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
Not quite. You are almost there. What I am trying to get at is heavily dependent on what Arni said in his short part.

Arni clearly stated he wants nothing to do with the Silent World. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to include magic and his nightmares in the category of what he considers the silent world. Furthermore, I also hypothesize that his attitude was transmitted to his descendants - that this unwillingness to engage with the silent world and the new reality of the post-rash world has led them to refuse acknowledging their own magicalness. The dreams continued in the descendants, but something must have been done because several generations down and they are still sheepherders. My suggestion is that the beliefs of Arni became family dogma - don't touch anything related to the Silent World. Raise sheeps - they are a sure value. Stay home - there's nothing good outside of Iceland. And so on.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 26, 2015, 04:01:28 AM
There's one more important Iceland detail to this though: traditionally there are many kinds of magic-wielding people in Iceland, but for Icelanders not all magic is magical.

For example people who get visions in the dreaming, be they of the future or the current events (f.ex. using the dreams to find something that's lost) are not the same as people who know and use runic magic, or people who use seiður. The dream-using people are considered normal, everyday people who just so happen to have that talent, and they're called skyggn. Just because you're skyggn does not mean you're a seiðkona/-karl.

Runic magic is something that anyone can use but it demands a lot of studying. Magical staves in particular are not just scribbled here and there whichever way: they usually come with complex set of instructions on not only which direction they have to be drawn or carved but also what they have to be carved on and what else needs to be done. The use of staves does not automatically have the effect you'd think it does, and people's view of you might be quite negative depending on how you use them.

As an example there's a stave called óttastafur, terror stave. If you carve it in the right direction on an oaken shield and then throw the shield at the feet of your enemy he'll be seized by terror and either freeze on a spot or flee. If you fail any of the instructions the stave either won't work at all or worse, it'll work against you. However, even if it would work your reputation will be in the ruins because you've just demonstrated you don't have the guts to go against your enemy without leaning on unfair tricks.

There were of course all kinds of staves. There were those that were carved on tools and then filled with the user's blood, to f.ex. make a rake faster to use. :D Farming tools, fishing tools, that sort of thing. There were staves commonly used to battle harmful magic or magical creatures. There were those used for good, healing for example, and those used for bad such as love staves - love staves were counted among attempting to cause grievous bodily harm and the punishment for the use of them could be death, if they worked. Egils saga has a story of a young man who gets turned down by the girl he has a crush on and attempts to use love staves to win her over... only he makes a mistake carving them and the girl gets deadly ill instead. Another such story is of Jón Jónsson the younger who was burned at a stake for using fart runes against a woman who turned him down.

Seiður users were commonly women and the practice was seen as extremely feminine, although the biggest seiður user of all times was male - Odin himself. Seiður requires both talent and a vast knowledge, and on occasion the help of other seiður users as there are things a single magic-user cannot accomplish alone.

And then there are the vala/völva, prophetesses. They used seiður too but were especially good at seeing the future and were given a lot of respect by the community. They not only were knowledgeable on magic but history as well and had proven their skills at prophesy many times before.

SO after this looooong rant: Árni may have been skyggn. He may have had talent for all kinds of magic, who knows, but if he never studied magic it would come to nothing and others would only view him as one of them skyggn people/a bit weird/crazy. Reynir most definitely seems to have the talent, but if all he's got to show are dreams people are just going to think he's skyggn, especially so if there are other skyggn people in the family line.

We know Icelandic mages are largely female so I'm assuming a talented male mage can go unnoticed simply because it's not something people keep an eye out for in a boy. If Reynir had sisters and they showed similar talent they'd be far likelier to be taken seriously in the after-Rash world.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 26, 2015, 05:33:06 AM
Beautiful Exposition

you, miss, are a Treasure Throve of Knowledge, and I'm glad we have you around.
(also we had to read Egilsoga at school and I hardly remember any of it, except that he killed a kid with an axe at age 8, and kidnapped some wife or other. not the most best role model)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 26, 2015, 06:08:11 AM
Haiz: glad to be useful! :D Also oh man, that Egill. Not sure if he ever kidnapped anyone but he did send his own brother to a certain death so he could marry his wife. On the upside he at least saved the life of that girl who was dying of badly carved love staves...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: P__ on March 26, 2015, 06:14:13 AM
<snip>
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/fb623f7c2d5c32c5079fd08efdaaca16/tumblr_inline_nlgu84bZU31r2g2kx_500.png)
that. that is interesting.
I'll quote that to the Magic speculation thread (it's buried somewhere), hope you don't mind :) (If you do mind, I shall remove it)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: AquaAurion on March 26, 2015, 06:52:19 AM
Laufey: that was a really interesting read! I had no idea there were so many variations to icelandic magic! If Reynir was believed to be a skyggn it would explain why he doesn't know he's a mage.

I was thinking that if Árni got his what he desired for his descendants there is a possibility that Reynir doesn't know much of the world at all. Maybe he is unaware of the existence of magic? (pure speculations of course)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 26, 2015, 07:16:04 AM
P__: I don't mind at all! :)

AquaAurion: yup, plus although any and all combinations of the talent / skill / knowledge are possible people like to go for the option they think is most obvious. As much of the magic was actually really everyday stuff Reynir probably knows something about it, but since the thought of a male mage can be very unrealistic to him it might make him ignore any "symptoms" of it or explain them, like Árni, as simply dreams and nothing more.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Mayabird on March 27, 2015, 11:08:21 PM
Enlightening, educational...and maybe I'm just childish but I find the mere concept of there being such a thing as a 'fart rune' amazing. 
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: wavewright62 on March 28, 2015, 03:03:14 AM
Enlightening, educational...and maybe I'm just childish but I find the mere concept of there being such a thing as a 'fart rune' amazing.
Indeed!  And Haiz' description of the view of magic in Iceland has brought home for me again how much I love learning from this community.
I'm curious to see where his relationship with the rest of the team goes from here.  Sigrun ran screaming at the sight of him (he doesn't know What she's screaming, and it doesn't really sound that commanding from his point of view) and Tuuri's not even coming into his line of sight yet.  He may not have even really registered her presence yet. 
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 28, 2015, 04:32:10 AM
Enlightening, educational...and maybe I'm just childish but I find the mere concept of there being such a thing as a 'fart rune' amazing.

Heh, there are runes and staves for all purposes indeed. :D Fart runes were considered an attempt at her life because back in Jón Jónsson's day stomach problems could kill you, and of course there was the added bit of humiliation there. The use of magical staves and runes can be very down to earth stuff at times and the actual stave-using even play a somewhat minor role, as with creating necropants (http://www.galdrasyning.is/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=212%3Anabrokarstafur&catid=18&Itemid=60&lang=en) (link is totally safe for work but whenever you see the word necropants be ready for possible full frontal male nudity).
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 28, 2015, 05:35:09 AM
Indeed!  And Haiz' description of the view of magic in Iceland has brought home for me again how much I love learning from this community.
wait what did I do
sure you didn't mean Laufey?

I'm curious to see where his relationship with the rest of the team goes from here.  Sigrun ran screaming at the sight of him (he doesn't know What she's screaming, and it doesn't really sound that commanding from his point of view) and Tuuri's not even coming into his line of sight yet.  He may not have even really registered her presence yet. 
hhhhhh yes
I mean, based on various pictures (http://sssscomic.com/comicimages/thumbs/bees.jpg) (and the already ongoing shipping) it seems like reynir and tuuri will be MOST BEST FRENDS. I mean they're close in age and tuuri can speak icelandic and both lack immunity and they are both adorable so. I'm excited
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Noodles on March 28, 2015, 05:40:03 AM
I mean, based on various pictures (http://sssscomic.com/comicimages/thumbs/bees.jpg) (and the already ongoing shipping) it seems like reynir and tuuri will be MOST BEST FRENDS. I mean they're close in age and tuuri can speak icelandic and both lack immunity and they are both adorable so. I'm excited
I suspect that (since Minna seems to have gone out of her way to make Tuuri not near Reynir) meetingness will probably be the Monday week-opener?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: wavewright62 on March 28, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
I suspect that (since Minna seems to have gone out of her way to make Tuuri not near Reynir) meetingness will probably be the Monday week-opener?
Here's hoping you are correct.  They may be well-matched in many ways, as pointed out, but Minna's characterisations are never simple.  (And we love it that way!)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: wavewright62 on March 29, 2015, 04:31:43 AM
wait what did I do
sure you didn't mean Laufey?


!!!!!!
Yes I did, my sincerest apologies. *blush*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 29, 2015, 06:24:39 AM
!!!!!!
Yes I did, my sincerest apologies. *blush*
ahahahaa don't worry, being mistaken for Laufey is a compliment
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Cat Is in the Moon on March 29, 2015, 09:17:17 AM
But overall Reynir's character development may be very interesting well... as it develops. So far he's scared and unsure, but perhaps during his journey he'll get more self confidence, he'll learn to use magic and will over all see the world and thus achieve what he's searching for. The Reynir we see in 300 pages is probably very different from what we've seen so far. :)
I really look forward to his...growth(?)  :D
I wonder if my english's failing me...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Ammerynth on March 29, 2015, 09:42:01 AM
But overall Reynir's character development may be very interesting well... as it develops. So far he's scared and unsure, but perhaps during his journey he'll get more self confidence, he'll learn to use magic and will over all see the world and thus achieve what he's searching for. The Reynir we see in 300 pages is probably very different from what we've seen so far. :)
I really look forward to his...growth(?)  :D
I wonder if my english's failing me...

I think growth is perfectly fine to use. Maybe you could say growth as a character, or something like that. (Not an English teacher or anything, just an English speaker!)

I'm really looking forward to seeing how he'll change in the future, I already really like him and he's only properly been around for... What, six pages? Seven? Not many, anyway. And like a lot of people, I really really hope he'll be great friends with Tuuri(or at the very least, buddies). Then she won't be lonely in the Cat-tank while the others adventure!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: kahli on March 30, 2015, 05:02:48 PM
A place to talk about Reynir's braid!
(Also I wasn't really sure where else to put this comment conversation. Am I doing it right Sunflower? or is there some sort of formula for putting comments into the forum? :-\)

Mystwalker3-
Just wondering, since I have only braided someone's hair a few times in my life, but I seem to recall that starting it is the hardest part, and it didn't seem like something you could do yourself...
So who braids Raynir's hair? How often? Could he possibly do it himself?

Aprillen-
Braiding your own hair is easy. I actually find it easier to braid my own hair than someone else's. Doing it on yourself, you have to do it back to front, and that is actually quicker than doing it the "right" way.
It goes into your "muscle memory". My fingers just know what to do, I don't have to think about it.

polkad0tpanic-
mine's never been quite that long, but it has made it to the middle of my back. learning took a few days and mistakes but it's been all good since then. i get asked if i braid my own hair a lot.

i wonder if i got my hair that long... if my braid would behave this way. i don't see it happening but i want to try now. that'll be a whole lot more spent on shampoo and conditioner...

mamioja-
Normal braid is quite easy to do for yourself. Good instructions by the Aphid here. But a fishbone / french braid is much harder to do by yourself, especially without two mirrors. Mine is almost always uneven, but a friend of mine does hers just perfectly.

Aprillen-
French braids aren't all that hard to do either, with a little practice. That's what I usually do with mine, and I don't need mirrors anymore -- in fact, it usually turns out better if I do it without looking in the mirrors. But yeah, you do need two mirrors when you first start learning it.

The Aphid-
Yeah, he can do it himself. My hair is not quite that long, but almost, and I also do one long braid as my signature style. It took me until I was about twelve to figure out how to do that myself, but no problems since then.

The Aphid-
To further elaborate: I start with both of my hands behind my head, elbows up in the air. (Like if you touch the back of your neck with both palms). Separate the hair into three sections between my fingers, start braiding. After the first few over/under passes, the braid is far enough down that I can pull the whole business over one shoulder or the other to finish. I used to get lopsided results at first, and would try to counterbalance that by trading out shoulders several times during the course of doing a single braid. But by the time I was Reynir's age, I'd pretty much figured out how to leave enough slack so the braid didn't wind up curved in an over-the-shoulder shape.

Ruby-
Ditto for my sister, who has similar long red curly hair. She often leaves it in a braid for days at a time, since it gets so tangled and unruly otherwise.

Auleliel-
Yep, that's how I do mine, too. With enough practice hair can be self-braided in a matter of seconds.

Noodly Appendage-
My mom's hair is about that long and she can.
But yes, it takes practice, although a braid that comes over his shoulder like that is probably easier to start than one down the back.

poklad0tpanic-
do you think it's braided over his shoulder or he put it there? i always braid mine straight and move them as needed.

corncobman-
Either he does braid it himself or by the end of the story he'll look like someone dragged him backwards through a series of hedges.

Adrai-
I'm sorry.
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No, I'm not sorry. Sorry.

Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Sunflower on March 30, 2015, 05:18:49 PM
Lovely -- thanks!
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Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on March 30, 2015, 05:52:51 PM
ahhhh I'm super bad at braiding (*points at super short hair*) but I think this is a Necessary Thread indeed!
(also that link doesn't work btw)

First off, I can imagine Reynir spending a loooot of time just practising braiding his braid. like. how busy can he beerding sheep all day

SECOND, his braid varies length in about every panel? One thing may be that the braid is braided pretty loosely, and can be stretched. Another thing may be MAGIC. the second one is probably more probable because. how long is his hair. how does it look unbraided. i need to know
(third option: off-model. as if)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: kahli on March 30, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
Lovely -- thanks!
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ahhhh I'm super bad at braiding (*points at super short hair*) but I think this is a Necessary Thread indeed!
(also that link doesn't work btw)

I too fail at braiding my own hair. I can braid other people's because I can actually see what I'm doing. The video link should work now! Thanks for catching that!  ;) 
(everybody go watch! It's hilarious!)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on March 30, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
This is a very necessary thread and these are very important questions to ponder upon. But most importantly we need to see Reynir having a bad hair day!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on March 30, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
I feel like I can provide some assistance!

My hair is quite short now, but it was about waist-length up until I was ~13 and I wore braids a lot. My mom used to do them for me, but eventually I figured out how to do it myself (though not as neatly). Like like someone up there said, it's really just muscle-memory - I've tried explaining to other people how to do it and I get confused in the process. I can do my own and other people's pretty easily... A basic braid like the one Reynir's sporting is not that difficult, either - it's only 3 strands after all. I think as long as you divine the hair into an odd number of sections, you can make it as wide as you like (provided you have enough hair to work with, that is)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: ChristopherMcCauley on March 30, 2015, 10:27:04 PM
I've never had hair longer than my just-before-my-neck, but now I'm seriously considering growing my hair out for a braid...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Lalligaattori on March 31, 2015, 10:53:32 AM
has anyone noticed how reynir's plait is the same front and back?

because in real life a plait points down on one side and up from the other, like:

\/     and    /\
\/              /\
\/              /\
\/              /\

but in reynir's case it points down on both sides, like:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z09oJEU.png)(http://i.imgur.com/LJ6QfAe.png)

does that make sense? i think it makes sense.

anyway reynir's hair is clearly therefore magic
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Rha on March 31, 2015, 10:59:44 AM
I just can't stop being reminded of this guy


(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gunfamfanon/images/9/9d/Duo_Maxwell.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110110083930)

Who was my first (and only) anime crush, heh .-.

Well at least personality-wise they seem quite different tho Reynir hasn't said that much yet.

Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: starfallz on April 01, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
When I have longer hair (been waist length at the longest) a braid was very useful for keeping it out of the way. Even if I wore it loose through the day, I'd braid it at night to keep from hurting myself. That said, I find it really heavy now a days so I don't keep it that long.

Although this leads me to think of what I used to do with it... winding it around the head and pinning it. Coiling it in a bun and sticking a stick through it.... What else could we imagine Reynir doing with his lovely braid?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on April 02, 2015, 01:47:40 PM
Although this leads me to think of what I used to do with it... winding it around the head and pinning it. Coiling it in a bun and sticking a stick through it.... What else could we imagine Reynir doing with his lovely braid?

He could do lots and lots of tiny braids! :D and then... BRAID THOSE BRAIDS.
It's ~braidception~
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Fimbulvarg on April 02, 2015, 02:43:03 PM
What else could we imagine Reynir doing with his lovely braid?

One thing led to another, and now I'm trying very hard to unimagine a dreadlocks-sporting rasta-Reynir.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 09, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
Soooo... I stumble upon a rather interesting piece of information while doing research today.

Quote
There is evidence that the rowan tree was held sacred to Ukko.[9] Rauni, a vaguely defined being has been hypothesised to be cognate to Germanic words for the rowan tree through Old Norse *raunir.[10]

From this wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko)

Perhaps a coincidence, or perhaps foreshadowing that Reynir's will be getting thunderbolts later on.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: SeaAngel on April 10, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
Soooo... I stumble upon a rather interesting piece of information while doing research today.

From this wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko)

Perhaps a coincidence, or perhaps foreshadowing that Reynir's will be getting thunderbolts later on.

You think his parents suspected something? :P
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on April 10, 2015, 12:01:08 PM
Hmm a tad odd to see a icelander mage have powers related to a finnish god  ???, but maybe this will tie to what exactly is magic and how does it wörk.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 10, 2015, 12:47:08 PM
Well his only guides in matters of magic are two Finnish mages, so I doubt he's going to be learning any runes from Lalli or Onni.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on April 10, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
Hmm true that, i guess i just expected to see all of the forms of magic in the comic and with no additional charicters joining in i find it "odd" to have a second branch of magic unexplored.

Not complaining since i prefer seeing the Finnish magic, but i just find it odd.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 10, 2015, 05:11:50 PM
Same. But that was kind of dashed when it turns out Reynir is just a shepherd and not someone from the Academy.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: BrainBlow on April 12, 2015, 08:15:11 PM
That jut makes it more interesting in the long run to have Reynir discover his affinity while on the journey.
That allows for some intimate exploration of magic, and would allow us to see and experience the magic like Reynir does. Far better with "show, don't tell" by having him discover it, rather than him being an accomplished mage who only has exposition on the matter to offer us.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: KMK on April 15, 2015, 04:45:11 AM
Soooo... I stumble upon a rather interesting piece of information while doing research today.

From this wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko)

Perhaps a coincidence, or perhaps foreshadowing that Reynir's will be getting thunderbolts later on.

The same article has this: Tuuri, a Germanic loan and cognate of Thor, was possibly an alternate name for Ukko.[6] Tuuri is rarely encountered in Finnish mythology, and had been relegated to the mere role of deity of harvest and success.[citation needed]
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 15, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
Eh. That's an interesting coincidence. I had not noticed that.

Going to have to weight that against the whole luck theme-naming.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on April 15, 2015, 10:35:31 AM
Hmm seems a bit odd to call the entity surrounding harvest a "mere" one. Seems like it was something that was just assimilated to normal everyday life and lost its religious meaning.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 15, 2015, 11:33:37 AM
Or the ruling class was a warrior one and so didn't care much for agricultural deities. Peasants probably liked him a lot and so relegated to folk-stuff.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on April 15, 2015, 12:43:40 PM
Or the ruling class was a warrior one and so didn't care much for agricultural deities. Peasants probably liked him a lot and so relegated to folk-stuff.

The Finns of old weren't actually on the level of culture where you'd be able to have a separate ruling class of warriors: instead the farmers doubled as warriors, the same as in the Scandinavian area and Iceland*, the thing that set the important ones apart was simply how wealthy they were.

The name change is likelier to be due to the name of the god being taboo, traditionally Finns had a boatload of words you were never supposed to say and five boatloads of words you were to use instead. The word for bear is a good example, it was avoided so thoroughly that even though we assume Ohto is the real name of bear we cannot be entirely certain of it, but hey at least we can call bears Mesikämmen, Källeröinen, Otso, Otava, Metsän kuningas, Metsänomena, Karhu and so forth.

Ukko as a word means "old man" and that's why it sounds like an obvious candidate for being a "safe" name to be used instead of the real one. Another point is that the Finns of old happily mixed their gods with the gods of nearby pantheons, which may mean that Tuuri could even have been occasionally seen as Perkunas/Perkele as well, seeing how both gods pretty much did the same jobs (thunder, crops, luck). Having said that Tuuri seems to have always been linked to luck and nowadays luck all that the word implies, although it does have a nuance of surprise in it - you mention you had tuuri with you only after the pieces rain down and you dust yourself and wonder how on earth no one was even hurt. Tuuri is luck that beats all odds.

*Icelandic sagas can pretty much be shortened to "farmers fighting". That's literally what's going on in every one of them.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 15, 2015, 01:32:17 PM
Aaah. That's a mechanic I was not aware of - the whole avoiding name thing.

As for the Icelanders - mind you my knowledge on the subject is limited - I thought that stemmed more from a conscious decision to avoid the nonsense they had to endure with Norwegians. Was that phenomenon of armed farmers more widespread or did it vary depending on regions. I mean, I am aware that a lot of warriors were also farmers, but I was under the impression that in places like old Norway, Sweden and Danemark they had warrior aristocrats of some description (Jarls?). 
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on April 15, 2015, 03:01:50 PM
Icelanders had no such noble ideas behind everyone working, it was simply a matter of necessity. Either you worked, nobleman or not, or you starved the next winter. Also I'd like to point out that at the time of settlement Icelanders were in effect Norwegians on a new rock so drawing a clear line between them is a bit difficult... it's true though that at first Iceland opted for being a commonwealth rather than a kingdom, but after this eventually resulted in a near civil war they returned under Norwegian crown.

Kings and jarls were usually found in the Scandinavian area just like you said: there were very few of them in Finland and none in Iceland, and although these aristocrats naturally needed noblemen at their service being a warrior was often just an occasional profession and the line between being a warrior or a farmer blurry at best. A man in charge of a house usually kept his concentration on the house itself, running it, hiring the people of the region to work for him and making sure he had enough ties with the important families around the area. His sons would be the ones to offer themselves at kings' service to gain titles, wealth and fame, usually as warriors but occasionally also as a court poet - a skáld.

Once done with your service (that could last for a few years to decades, depending) you'd just go back home, marry a suitable lady and settle down at your own farm, hiring people to work for you, making friendly ties with your neighbours and so forth. Ta-dah, you're a farmer again! And... you just might need the help of those crop-giving gods. Now when you consider that the majority of the people would be like this it's unlikely that Finns would simply have let go of an agricultural god in favour of a more battle-happy one.

Btw even after Finns converted to Christianity they often kept their old gods and served them just like they had always done, so that says something about how stubborn Finns were around this topic. :D
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Fimbulvarg on April 15, 2015, 03:15:01 PM
*Icelandic sagas can pretty much be shortened to "farmers fighting". That's literally what's going on in every one of them.

Though in the case of Eigil Skallagrimssons saga it's more about child farmers viciously murdering people over a football game then rapping about it.

As for the Icelanders - mind you my knowledge on the subject is limited - I thought that stemmed more from a conscious decision to avoid the nonsense they had to endure with Norwegians. Was that phenomenon of armed farmers more widespread or did it vary depending on regions. I mean, I am aware that a lot of warriors were also farmers, but I was under the impression that in places like old Norway, Sweden and Danemark they had warrior aristocrats of some description (Jarls?). 

Depends on which time period you look at. The biggest formation resembling a warrior "aristocracy" was the Royal Hird, which started out as a very modest bodyguard (or housecarls) and evolved gradually to become a large professional army (with its own military intelligence no less) almost resembling continental knights.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on April 15, 2015, 03:29:25 PM
Though in the case of Eigil Skallagrimssons saga it's more about child farmers viciously murdering people over a football game then rapping about it.

Bet you his neighbours rued the day when his grandpa's corpse washed up on the shore and his father decided it was a perfect place to build the family farm.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on April 15, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
Though in the case of Eigil Skallagrimssons saga it's more about child farmers viciously murdering people over a football game then rapping about it.

Depends on which time period you look at. The biggest formation resembling a warrior "aristocracy" was the Royal Hird, which started out as a very modest bodyguard (or housecarls) and evolved gradually to become a large professional army (with it's own military intelligence no less) almost resembling continental knights.

Indeed and since the local clercy seemingly didn't mind the peasants worshipping other gods if they said their prayers to the christian one aswell since there is at least one suriving prayer that combined bouth Jesus and Ukko. Also in church books there are evidence in Savo of Ukkos vakkas ( party for Ukko ) being held as late as 1670 with them stating that most of the population didn't think these things as pagan or sinful.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 15, 2015, 04:29:16 PM
Though in the case of Eigil Skallagrimssons saga it's more about child farmers viciously murdering people over a football game then rapping about it.

Depends on which time period you look at. The biggest formation resembling a warrior "aristocracy" was the Royal Hird, which started out as a very modest bodyguard (or housecarls) and evolved gradually to become a large professional army (with its own military intelligence no less) almost resembling continental knights.

There is nothing that is not hideous and hilarious about that sentence.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: RandomTexanReader on April 29, 2015, 12:23:08 AM
I am so upset right now. (Putting my incoherent rant in the spoilers but really I don't know if anyone will be spoilered? New page is up.)
Spoiler: show
Reynir is the youngest child. He's a cheerful, ebullient, excitable personality, who feels like he constantly has to be useful. Which means that growing up (if his family is typical according to the families I'm used to) this happened a lot:
"Reynir, you're not helping."
"Go and bug somebody else."
"Ugh, you're so annoying."
"Reynir. Stop."
"Calm down already!"
Baby Reynir would be subdued for a few moments, then probably try to 'help' some more, leading to more explicit rebuffs. He would probably feel like a burden when he was permitted to help with 'grown-up' tasks, being significantly less able than his older siblings---probably his only peers. And he would definitely have the youngest child complex of needing almost constant attention.
Okay, back to why I'm upset: panel five, page 308.
".....Oooh. I got it. I'm sorry."
HE KNOWS THAT TUURI'S LYING TO HIM. HE KNOWS SHE LOCKED HIM OUT. HE KNOWS THAT HE WAS ANNOYING HER. This is just further validation of the "Reynir's annoying" he would have heard from his (still loving) older siblings. REYNIR IS APOLOGIZING FOR HIMSELF.
And then Mikkel shows up. "And I'm sorry to see you wandering around without supervision." *reinforces dependence* "You'll stay where I don't have to keep an eye on you." *reinforces that Reynir's a burden* Look at Reynir's face. He's chewing on his cheek again---which is what he does when he's confused/unsure/conflicted, etc. The next panel? He's trying to make himself less of a burden. "I didn't have nightmares." He's touching his neck---that's a clear body-language indicator of discomfort. Also an indicator of lying.
So there we have it. In just one page, Reynir is psychologically squashed back into place, is made, once again, to feel that he is nothing but a burden, a hindrance, and an annoyance to others. Probably the same way he was made to feel when he was a young child. Am I reading too much into this? PROBABLY. *retires sobbing into the night*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on April 29, 2015, 01:08:09 AM
I am so upset right now. (Putting my incoherent rant in the spoilers but really I don't know if anyone will be spoilered? New page is up.)
Spoiler: show
Reynir is the youngest child. He's a cheerful, ebullient, excitable personality, who feels like he constantly has to be useful. Which means that growing up (if his family is typical according to the families I'm used to) this happened a lot:
"Reynir, you're not helping."
"Go and bug somebody else."
"Ugh, you're so annoying."
"Reynir. Stop."
"Calm down already!"
Baby Reynir would be subdued for a few moments, then probably try to 'help' some more, leading to more explicit rebuffs. He would probably feel like a burden when he was permitted to help with 'grown-up' tasks, being significantly less able than his older siblings---probably his only peers. And he would definitely have the youngest child complex of needing almost constant attention.
Okay, back to why I'm upset: panel five, page 308.
".....Oooh. I got it. I'm sorry."
HE KNOWS THAT TUURI'S LYING TO HIM. HE KNOWS SHE LOCKED HIM OUT. HE KNOWS THAT HE WAS ANNOYING HER. This is just further validation of the "Reynir's annoying" he would have heard from his (still loving) older siblings. REYNIR IS APOLOGIZING FOR HIMSELF.
And then Mikkel shows up. "And I'm sorry to see you wandering around without supervision." *reinforces dependence* "You'll stay where I don't have to keep an eye on you." *reinforces that Reynir's a burden* Look at Reynir's face. He's chewing on his cheek again---which is what he does when he's confused/unsure/conflicted, etc. The next panel? He's trying to make himself less of a burden. "I didn't have nightmares." He's touching his neck---that's a clear body-language indicator of discomfort. Also an indicator of lying.
So there we have it. In just one page, Reynir is psychologically squashed back into place, is made, once again, to feel that he is nothing but a burden, a hindrance, and an annoyance to others. Probably the same way he was made to feel when he was a young child. Am I reading too much into this? PROBABLY. *retires sobbing into the night*


No, I think you hit the mark. Big family dynamics - sense that he's an accident, the last, the not necessarily wanted - compensation by wanting to make himself useful - both because he's nice and because it's a source of worth.

Also, I think that's more Mikkel's way of expressing himself (not that it doesn't affect Reynir in the way you described), deadpan, but he doesn't mean that though I am having a hard time explaining how he's acting - like I know what he's doing, but I am not sure how to put it in words. Indirect caring? Like Mikkel has been consistently been doing the watching over people thing and Reynir's no different in that respect in this scene.

 

Though I am not sure he's lying about the nightmares. He might really have no recollection or awareness of his mage dream things.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on April 29, 2015, 01:33:39 AM
Aaah. That's a mechanic I was not aware of - the whole avoiding name thing.

Circumlocution (="Talking around it") to avoid invocation (="Calling up") by the power of something's "True" or "Right" name is a prevalent idea in mythologies/mysticisms world wide; even Jewish mythology (superstition/legend not acknowledged by Judaism proper) features it, which is why Jews (and those from similar cultures) are masters of sarcasm: it's ingrained in their culture to avoid saying bad things in order to keep the bad things from occurring.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Sunflower on April 29, 2015, 02:21:45 AM
Circumlocution (="Talking around it") to avoid invocation (="Calling up") by the power of something's "True" or "Right" name is a prevalent idea in mythologies/mysticisms world wide; even Jewish mythology (superstition/legend not acknowledged by Judaism proper) features it, which is why Jews (and those from similar cultures) are masters of sarcasm: it's ingrained in their culture to avoid saying bad things in order to keep the bad things from occurring.

Mm-hm.  Laufey has mentioned the Finnish superstition about not saying the "true" name for "bear."  In ancient, pre-classical Rome, a similar prohibition attached to the word for "wolf."  I wonder if that was a common pattern among hunting cultures, not to use the "true" name of whatever was the local top predator/most prestigious trophy kill?

I have a vague recollection that many aboriginal cultures (e.g. Native Americans) won't use a baby's name out loud, for fear spirits/devils/whatever might latch on.  They'll just say "the baby" or "Little Girl," etc.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: SeaAngel on April 29, 2015, 05:35:18 AM
I am so upset right now. (Putting my incoherent rant in the spoilers but really I don't know if anyone will be spoilered? New page is up.)
Spoiler: show
Reynir is the youngest child. He's a cheerful, ebullient, excitable personality, who feels like he constantly has to be useful. Which means that growing up (if his family is typical according to the families I'm used to) this happened a lot:
"Reynir, you're not helping."
"Go and bug somebody else."
"Ugh, you're so annoying."
"Reynir. Stop."
"Calm down already!"
Baby Reynir would be subdued for a few moments, then probably try to 'help' some more, leading to more explicit rebuffs. He would probably feel like a burden when he was permitted to help with 'grown-up' tasks, being significantly less able than his older siblings---probably his only peers. And he would definitely have the youngest child complex of needing almost constant attention.
Okay, back to why I'm upset: panel five, page 308.
".....Oooh. I got it. I'm sorry."
HE KNOWS THAT TUURI'S LYING TO HIM. HE KNOWS SHE LOCKED HIM OUT. HE KNOWS THAT HE WAS ANNOYING HER. This is just further validation of the "Reynir's annoying" he would have heard from his (still loving) older siblings. REYNIR IS APOLOGIZING FOR HIMSELF.
And then Mikkel shows up. "And I'm sorry to see you wandering around without supervision." *reinforces dependence* "You'll stay where I don't have to keep an eye on you." *reinforces that Reynir's a burden* Look at Reynir's face. He's chewing on his cheek again---which is what he does when he's confused/unsure/conflicted, etc. The next panel? He's trying to make himself less of a burden. "I didn't have nightmares." He's touching his neck---that's a clear body-language indicator of discomfort. Also an indicator of lying.
So there we have it. In just one page, Reynir is psychologically squashed back into place, is made, once again, to feel that he is nothing but a burden, a hindrance, and an annoyance to others. Probably the same way he was made to feel when he was a young child. Am I reading too much into this? PROBABLY. *retires sobbing into the night*


That is an interesting analysis, but I disagree.
I think the reason he's trying to be so helpful here is because he IS a burden. He could cause a lot of trouble for the mission, and he has already done so, by replacing some of their food. It's natural that he would feel guilty about it--I know I would. I would behave exactly as he does, and no one has ever called me useless.
Besides, I doubt he considered himself useless in his home. He was a sheep herder, he had a job, and thus participated in his family's income. And when he left, it wasn't so he could earn more money for his family, or stop being a burden for them, he just wanted to amuse himself. If everyone treated his as a burden he wouldn't do that.
As for the dream thing: I don't think he lied about the nightmares. In fact, I was expecting him to say something like that. Since apparently he is an untrained icelandic mage, whose powers are (among others) prophetic dreams, I was wondering exactly WHY Reynir never thought himself a mage. There must be a reason he does not remember his visits to the dreamworld.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: wildfire on April 29, 2015, 06:20:28 AM
I am so upset right now. (Putting my incoherent rant in the spoilers but really I don't know if anyone will be spoilered? New page is up.)
Spoiler: show
Reynir is the youngest child. He's a cheerful, ebullient, excitable personality, who feels like he constantly has to be useful. Which means that growing up (if his family is typical according to the families I'm used to) this happened a lot:
"Reynir, you're not helping."
"Go and bug somebody else."
"Ugh, you're so annoying."
"Reynir. Stop."
"Calm down already!"
Baby Reynir would be subdued for a few moments, then probably try to 'help' some more, leading to more explicit rebuffs. He would probably feel like a burden when he was permitted to help with 'grown-up' tasks, being significantly less able than his older siblings---probably his only peers. And he would definitely have the youngest child complex of needing almost constant attention.
Okay, back to why I'm upset: panel five, page 308.
".....Oooh. I got it. I'm sorry."
HE KNOWS THAT TUURI'S LYING TO HIM. HE KNOWS SHE LOCKED HIM OUT. HE KNOWS THAT HE WAS ANNOYING HER. This is just further validation of the "Reynir's annoying" he would have heard from his (still loving) older siblings. REYNIR IS APOLOGIZING FOR HIMSELF.
And then Mikkel shows up. "And I'm sorry to see you wandering around without supervision." *reinforces dependence* "You'll stay where I don't have to keep an eye on you." *reinforces that Reynir's a burden* Look at Reynir's face. He's chewing on his cheek again---which is what he does when he's confused/unsure/conflicted, etc. The next panel? He's trying to make himself less of a burden. "I didn't have nightmares." He's touching his neck---that's a clear body-language indicator of discomfort. Also an indicator of lying.
So there we have it. In just one page, Reynir is psychologically squashed back into place, is made, once again, to feel that he is nothing but a burden, a hindrance, and an annoyance to others. Probably the same way he was made to feel when he was a young child. Am I reading too much into this? PROBABLY. *retires sobbing into the night*


I am not going to claim that you're right, but I'm not going to claim that you're not right. I think you might be very, very right, and I'll explain myself under the spoiler tag.

Spoiler: show
I am the youngest of four children, and maybe four children aren't that many children, but keep in mind, I have a disabled sister and my brother had leukemia few years before I was born. My father also had tuberculosis when I was little, and I see a lot of myself in Reynir. (To be honest, I cried when I read the newest page because it felt so very, very familiar. And I feel like crying now too, because this theory seems so very, very familiar.) I understand what SeaAngel is saying, too, but if I were in the same position as Reynir, I actually think I might have done the same thing - because sometimes you do things without thinking it through properly, and then you do something stupid and you just have to find a way to make the best out of it. And this seemed like something Reynir really wanted to do, and if he's anything like me, he WILL do all that is within his powers to make his own wishes come true. And sometimes, in this process, you forget what harm you might put upon others.


I wouldn't be surprised if this theory would turn out to be correct. Also, I'm sorry if my rant is filled with bad english grammar, this is not my native language!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: RandomTexanReader on April 29, 2015, 07:18:26 AM
That is an interesting analysis, but I disagree.
I think the reason he's trying to be so helpful here is because he IS a burden. He could cause a lot of trouble for the mission, and he has already done so, by replacing some of their food. It's natural that he would feel guilty about it--I know I would. I would behave exactly as he does, and no one has ever called me useless.
Besides, I doubt he considered himself useless in his home. He was a sheep herder, he had a job, and thus participated in his family's income. And when he left, it wasn't so he could earn more money for his family, or stop being a burden for them, he just wanted to amuse himself. If everyone treated his as a burden he wouldn't do that.
As for the dream thing: I don't think he lied about the nightmares. In fact, I was expecting him to say something like that. Since apparently he is an untrained icelandic mage, whose powers are (among others) prophetic dreams, I was wondering exactly WHY Reynir never thought himself a mage. There must be a reason he does not remember his visits to the dreamworld.
To be perfectly honest, I doubt he's lying too. But I think that he is lying about the subtext: "You don't have to worry about me." "I'm not a burden."
I agree that a large part of his eagerness to help comes from the fact that his mistake has inconvenienced and harmed our intrepid team, but I think that actually backs up my analysis: he has internalized that the way to fix being a burden is by helping. Also he seemed very eager to help when working his way across to Bornholm (which I understand is a different situation), but perhaps it's too early to claim that helpfulness is a part of his personality. The important thing is that having his help rejected would not a new experience for him, and he recognizes exactly what Tuuri's doing.
I also agree that he didn't consider himself useless---once he was able to truly contribute. But as a child, he would have felt useless, because when you're significantly younger than everyone else around you, ya kinda are. And yes, he did escape for his own amusement. I don't think that what I described is his primary motivation, but I definitely think it's a facet.

Vafhudr, I agree that Mikkel didn't mean what Reynir heard. His job description is basically "keep them alive," and I think he's focused on that.
wildfire, I totally agree. All he wanted was to see something of the world.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Mayabird on April 29, 2015, 08:26:55 AM
I have wondered if Mikkel was a younger child in his family, so this dynamic might be familiar to him.  I suspect he's trying here to head it off as quickly as possible because the margins of survival are just too tight to have to deal with interpersonal drama too. 
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: RandomTexanReader on April 29, 2015, 08:32:35 AM
I have wondered if Mikkel was a younger child in his family, so this dynamic might be familiar to him.  I suspect he's trying here to head it off as quickly as possible because the margins of survival are just too tight to have to deal with interpersonal drama too.
To be 100% honest, the whole uber-responsible and passive-aggressive tendencies read more "oldest child" to me, although I could be wrong. I think that he is definitely heading off the drama for the reasons you noted by cutting in and pulling Reynir out of the "I'm sorry" loop, but I think he's recognizing it from a different perspective.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: SeaAngel on April 29, 2015, 08:50:42 AM
To be perfectly honest, I doubt he's lying too. But I think that he is lying about the subtext: "You don't have to worry about me." "I'm not a burden."
I agree that a large part of his eagerness to help comes from the fact that his mistake has inconvenienced and harmed our intrepid team, but I think that actually backs up my analysis: he has internalized that the way to fix being a burden is by helping. Also he seemed very eager to help when working his way across to Bornholm (which I understand is a different situation), but perhaps it's too early to claim that helpfulness is a part of his personality. The important thing is that having his help rejected would not a new experience for him, and he recognizes exactly what Tuuri's doing.
I also agree that he didn't consider himself useless---once he was able to truly contribute. But as a child, he would have felt useless, because when you're significantly younger than everyone else around you, ya kinda are. And yes, he did escape for his own amusement. I don't think that what I described is his primary motivation, but I definitely think it's a facet.

Yeah, I agree that this would not be a new experience to him (and I didn't find Tuuri being particularly elegant in her attemp to shoo him, he would be pretty dumb if he didn't understand what was happening) and that as a child he might have felt it, we agree :-)
I just doubt that the current situation would bring back up particularly painful memories: the present is dangerous enough and filled with guilt, I think his experience with his siblings would pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: RandomTexanReader on April 29, 2015, 08:56:17 AM
Yeah, I agree that this would not be a new experience to him (and I didn't find Tuuri being particularly elegant in her attemp to shoo him, he would be pretty dump if he didn't understand what was happening) and that as a child he might have felt it, we agree :-)
I just doubt that the current situation would bring back up particularly painful memories: the present is dangerous enough and filled with guilt, I think his experience with his siblings would pale in comparison.
Oh yeah, totally. I don't think he's been horribly traumatized and scarred for life by growing up the youngest in a (from what we've seen) well-adjusted and loving family. But there's always going to be that complex there.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: FinnishViking on April 29, 2015, 08:59:52 AM
Hmm well imo he should be more worried about being left alone with the sleeping man cat, but i think this might be the start for him to realize he has magic powers.

Something like him trying to socialize with Lalli, giving up in the hopeless task and going to sleep only to find out himself wondering in Lallis dreams and Lalli getting what was going on.
Maybe even a potential Onni scene through the sleep network?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on April 29, 2015, 09:03:12 AM
To be 100% honest, the whole uber-responsible and passive-aggressive tendencies read more "oldest child" to me, although I could be wrong. I think that he is definitely heading off the drama for the reasons you noted by cutting in and pulling Reynir out of the "I'm sorry" loop, but I think he's recognizing it from a different perspective.

Oldest child here and you're definitely right about those tendencies. You grow them when you spend your childhood being responsible for your sibling/s and always end up in worse trouble than they if they do silly stuff on your watch... *grumble* Mikkel might well be the oldest child. :D

As for Reynir, don't forget that he also grew up knowing he was lacking something that his siblings had (immunity) and that because of that - something he couldn't help himself - he was seemingly eternally doomed to boring farm life. It was such a huge influence in his life that when he found out that nothing actually stopped him from leaving he didn't even stop to think, up until the moment he was told he was stuck in troll county with no way out...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: SeaAngel on April 29, 2015, 10:45:01 AM
Oh yeah, totally. I don't think he's been horribly traumatized and scarred for life by growing up the youngest in a (from what we've seen) well-adjusted and loving family. But there's always going to be that complex there.

With this I agree :-) :-)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: KMK on May 04, 2015, 03:59:50 AM
Mm-hm.  Laufey has mentioned the Finnish superstition about not saying the "true" name for "bear."  In ancient, pre-classical Rome, a similar prohibition attached to the word for "wolf."  I wonder if that was a common pattern among hunting cultures, not to use the "true" name of whatever was the local top predator/most prestigious trophy kill?

I have a vague recollection that many aboriginal cultures (e.g. Native Americans) won't use a baby's name out loud, for fear spirits/devils/whatever might latch on.  They'll just say "the baby" or "Little Girl," etc.

In South America they do not use the jaguars name. If talking about him he is referred to as El Tigre (the tiger).
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Sunflower on May 20, 2015, 01:42:25 AM
Poor Reynir.  As of p. 322, he's *still* calling himself "stupid."  Hopefully he'll get a chance to earn some self-esteem. 
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vafhudr on May 20, 2015, 02:07:14 AM
We're gonna need another 300 chapters for that to happen.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Mélusine on May 20, 2015, 03:01:17 AM
Poor Reynir.  As of p. 322, he's *still* calling himself "stupid."  Hopefully he'll get a chance to earn some self-esteem.
Discovering being a mage might not be enough. Maybe by doing something useful, finding his pla... ? *Look at the team, especially Sigrun* All right, it may be difficult.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Sunflower on May 29, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
From Disqus p. 329:

Sunflower • 20 hours ago
Reynir would be either the world's best or world's worst boyfriend. He would never get tired of talking about your feelings and asking if there's anything he could do for you.
Until one day you snap and shout, "SHUT UP AND STOP RUBBING MY FEET! GO WATCH SOME NASCAR OR SOMETHING!"

Ooo-La-La ╰☆╮  Sunflower • 20 hours ago
Bedazzled: Sensitive Elliot  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5e1HG5Xkgk)

Sunflower  Ooo-La-La ╰☆╮ • 18 hours ago
Hee, hee! So very much. "Do you need comforting on any level?"

SparkyDragon  Sunflower • 19 hours ago
The Sparky Dragon wants a Reynir for her boyfriend! XD

Sunflower  SparkyDragon • 18 hours ago
On the plus side: Highly motivated and trainable. Cheerful most of the time. Does the dishes.
On the minus side: Constantly underfoot. Constantly in need of your approval.
...Basically, he's Dug from "Up" in human form.

D. C. Sessions  SparkyDragon • 18 hours ago
Trust me, been there and done that -- at some point Sunflower is right: you can't stand it any more.

Says /me, who apparently is a really bad hoverlover. I'm now in a twelve-stomp program.

Aprillen  Sunflower • 12 hours ago
Whenever I detect the incipient interest of a person like that, I run like, uh, a night scout. People like that make me itch.

hannele3  Sunflower • 17 hours ago
Go have a sausage fest with your buds! Drink some beer. Just get the Hell out so I can concentrate!

Hrolfr  Sunflower • 7 hours ago
I see it, but I think that that is mostly sweet & youthful cluelessness, he's wet behind the years and acts about 5 years younger than his age.

In our terms, get him away from his no-doubt-lovely-and over-protective-mom & the #$%#$ sheep, let him get out & play/fight with the big boys, learn to tell some crude jokes, get his heart stomped on by some clueless girl once or twice, and generally "man up" a little, and I'm sure he'll be much more acceptable.

... and given the reaction of the ladies to his flowing locks, he'll have an embarrassment of choices.

Sunflower  Hrolfr • 3 hours ago
While I'm grateful for the male perspective, I'm not sure how much the crude jokes will help, strictly on the "how-to-be-a-better-boyfriend" score.  ;)

What I *do* think would help, on both the boyfriend and "man up" fronts, is building his confidence through genuine accomplishments. Reynir won't be so desperate for approval once he feels he's good for something other than peeling potatoes.

OTOH, a Reynir full of self-confidence might be dangerous. Imagine if he could turn on the adorable expression at the top of p. 291 as a deliberate humblebrag!

Hrolfr  Sunflower • 33 minutes ago
Well, the jokes thing was mostly getting used to rough and tumble "guy humour" probably wouldn't help with most potential dates.  ;)

( But, being able to take some joke at one's own expense and sling it back - in scurrilous fashion - is priceless. )

The basic point was to get a little more "manly" and less little mama's boy, stop apologizing for _everything_ (looks like unbecoming weakness), but apologize when appropriate.

Exercise a little more self confidence & self restraint (i.e. silence is golden, be cordial, not over friendly, observe and learn) , and less- hang dog, get a little self-agency going, (Admit you are green & new, and get on with it, learn!)

And like you said being able to demonstrate some useful skills would be good thing too. I'm sure he has some!

We had a whole thread a month ago detailing all things an Icelandic shepard/sheep guy might know/ be able to do, some of those things must be directly applicable or applicable by analogy.

The funny thing is, he a handsome guy, great hair, he's not complete cretin, so why is he wandering around in a such a funk of excessively need, desperation, and incompetence.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: RandomTexanReader on May 29, 2015, 05:20:22 PM
The funny thing is, he a handsome guy, great hair, he's not complete cretin, so why is he wandering around in a such a funk of excessively need, desperation, and incompetence.

*cough*youngestchild*coughhackcough*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Róisín on May 31, 2015, 12:14:03 PM
Re the names of things: here in Australia, many Aboriginal people still do not speak the names of anybody who has died, feeling that use of the name will invoke the spirit of that person. This attitude can also extend to any sort of pictures of the dead person. Same thing applies to many of the old earth-things; naming them is considered unwise. Especially outdoors.

And of course in Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, Isle of Man, (those ones I know of personal experience) and for all I know other places in Europe, one does not name.... errr...... Themselves, the Good People, the Sidhe, the Tylwyth Teg, the Fair Folk......  I'm sure you know who I mean!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on May 31, 2015, 01:45:09 PM
From Pg 327:

Eva Schiffer
Huh, just remembered that most Icelandic mages are female... I bet that's why Reynir wasn't identified as having magic talents.

anonion -> Eva Schiffer
My headcanon is that his parents are totally aware of his talents, but they never mentioned anything because they wanted at least one of their kids to stick around (and also keep him safe, being the youngest and all).

JoB -> anonion
“My headcanon is that his parents are totally aware of his talents”
How would they have become aware of his talents, if all they yield is strange dreams that Reynir never remembered after awakening?

anonion -> JoB
Well you see, in my headcanon he did remember his dreams in childhood. He stopped doing so only after his parents made it a big deal that he's not supposed to talk to anyone about this. (He didn't stop remembering them on purpose, of course. It's just his brain's way of protecting him of something that he learned to see as dangerous/unwanted.)

Again, this is something I'm completely making up. Feel free to disregard it completely and/or not expect very much coherence from it.

leavescat -> anonion
My favorite theory expands that last part a bit. All his siblings were born from a genetics program where donated eggs/sperm were used to ensure that they'd have immune offspring, which is also why all his siblings look nothing like him. Someone theorized that one of his parents was thought infertile, so they had all their kids this way. This means Reynir isn't just the youngest and non-immune, he's also their only biological child, and he's very likely a miracle baby that they never expected to get.

This means they don't just want one kid to stick around, they want Reynir specifically because he was a miracle.

JoB -> leavescat
“Someone theorized that one of his parents was thought infertile [...] This means Reynir is[...] very likely a miracle baby that they never expected to get.”
And now I wonder whether that "miracle" might've been the magic now inherent in Reynir that overcame the odds and created a human vessel for itself ...

LooNEY_DAC -> JoB
…Beware: the Disney/Lucas lawyers are everywhere. Just don't say the word "vergence" and you should be fine.

Eva Schiffer -> leavescat
Having "miracle" babies in your 40's is not as uncommon as you might think. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem...

wavewright62 -> leavescat
Reynir would likely have had some inkling that he was considered special, then, instead of feeling so useless. Parents of 'miracle babies' seldom refrain from informing precious of that fact, repeatedly.

LooNEY_DAC -> wavewright62
See also the below post by Crimson knight, ninja. Thing is, he's the youngest. The youngest in a big family tends to be treated as "the Baby" forever, and, if the subject is energetic or ambitious enough, it produces frustration: "Why won't they let me do anything?" In Reynir's case, he's hampered by trying too hard, when makes him mess things up, which leads the elders to tell him, "Just let us handle it and stay with the sheep", implying that that's all he's good at, so Reynir thinks, "They won't let me do stuff because I'm stupid."

Crimson knight -> wavewright62
as I was one who used to be the youngest, the issue is how much is expected from us. when your siblings have gone on to do great things, as the youngest you feel like you have to meet a certain expectation to do as well, if not better, than they have. when you don't meet that expectation you begin to feel quite useless. I can relate to Reynir a lot :)

wavewright62 -> Crimson knight
Yep. I had to sit in a class once where the teacher passed around an exemplary paper from a previous year, and my heart sank when I saw my brother's distinctive handwriting. Worse, each student who got passed the paper saw the name, then looked at me. But my point was that a person pegged a 'miracle baby' is the one who gets talked about, and often any other siblings don't get a look-in regardless of what they do.

Zlatoglazka -> wavewright62
I agree. It's more likely his parents wanted at least one child of their own blood and flesh completely... and at least one child to stay with them for the whole life (and to inherit the farm).

leavescat -> wavewright62
Yes, but parents of miracle babies don't often have a bunch of other kids that they don't want their sheltered miracle baby to realize aren't technically related to him.

P__ -> leavescat
They're probably aware that they're Dagrenning babies, either having been told or figured it themselves. But either way, I don't think parents would want to make their favourite child too obvious to the rest of the group.

Another thing is, his low self esteem doesn't seem to come from lack of praise (maybe it does) but rather from comparison with his brothers and sisters, who aren't sheltered and can do a ton of amazing things, while the best he can do is wash dishes and herd sheep

leavescat -> P__
They all know they're Dagrenning babies, but Reynir himself isn't quite aware of what the program is. He said that he wasn't sure why they didn't use the program for him, and was lamenting that because it meant he wasn't immune.

anonion -> P__
Interestingly enough, there have been studies that prove low self esteem can actually come from too much praise in childhood (specifically being praised for what you "are"- smart etc, rather than the effort you put in). I don't think it's the case here, since I don't think Reynir actually has low self esteem. I think he's just a bit stressed and disappointed that his whole big plan failed so spectacularly. I suspect he'll bounce back to a self-assured self anytime now (learning that he's a mage might help).

P__ -> anonion
so *that's* why Emil doesn't look at him nice in the group-shot. none of that mortal enemies nonsense: just rivals in confidence and hair-awesomeness

anonion -> P__
P.S. Emil actually has low self esteem, likely for the reason mentioned above.

anonion -> P__
Here I go again: *in my headcanon*, Emil is giving him the side-eye because he's jealous of whatever mage-bro thing Reynir will end up developing with Lalli, especially since most of it happens in a place Emil can never even go to.

P__ -> anonion
plus *he* found a way to talk to Lalli >:/

Keeper -> anonion
And in that mage space, there's no language barrier like there is between Emil and Lalli.

Eva Schiffer -> anonion
It seems like the sort of thing that should have been noticed by someone else, like a teacher or family friend, even if his family is in denial. Besides, being a mage doesn't seem like it would necessarily make him more likely to leave the country, especially if his talent is dream visions.

anonion -> Eva Schiffer
It wouldn't make it necessary for him to leave the country right off, but he would at least leave the farm to train at the mage university (in Reykjavik?) - and who knows what ideas *that* might put in his head!

And his talents might not be noticed by other people if his parents instructed him from a very early age to, say, never tell his dreams to anyone - which eventually lead to Reynir not even remembering his dreams anymore. There, I managed to make his parents, who are probably very nice people, seem manipulative and twisted.

I'm making this up as I go, so what you say is at least as valid :)

JoB -> anonion
“There, I managed to make his parents [...] seem manipulative and twisted.”
The fact that they lied about him not being legally allowed to travel to Reynir painted them somewhat manipulative already.

ReturnOfDaveBro -> anonion
It's for his own good because we're good parents! Groupthink -- gotta love it for rationalization. :p

Whatever -> anonion
My headcanon is that his dad's a latent/undiscovered mage too.

Laufey -> Whatever
According to both Finnish and Icelandic traditions magic abilities do run in families so it's not at all unlikely! Besides Icelandic tradition does not automatically equate prophetic dreams to magic abilities (some people are just considered "seeing" more than others, but any real magic has to be learned) so Reynir's dad might have simply gone unnoticed even if he occasionally had a weird dream.

Sunflower -> Whatever
It would make sense, since Reynir's father Árni is presumably the descendant of Árni from the Prologue, from whom they both got their red hair.

P__ -> Sunflower
that was confirmed by Minna in the page he's introduced, IIRC. Bloodline goes Arni "Prologue" Reynirson -> Something Arnason -> Arni Somethingson -> Reynir "i'm stupid" Arnason.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on May 31, 2015, 06:55:32 PM
I can't help wondering how much that braid weighs! And can you imagine when it gets wet??? I had really long hair for good part of my teenage years and my neck hurt whenever I washed it, and I had baby-thin-hair... with a proud beautiful red mane of strong thick hair, I'd bet... maybe 12 kilos when wet?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on May 31, 2015, 06:59:44 PM
I think the only sensible thing to be said about Reynir's hair is that I want it, but my hair's never going to work like that. Probably wouldn't suit me anyway, frankly.
Also, imagine how long it takes to dry.. Mine's only shoulder-length and it already takes far too long.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Curry on May 31, 2015, 07:04:28 PM
I think the only sensible thing to be said about Reynir's hair is that I want it, but my hair's never going to work like that. Probably wouldn't suit me anyway, frankly.
Also, imagine how long it takes to dry.. Mine's only shoulder-length and it already takes far too long.

Mine goes to below boobs, and it takes actual hours. Sometimes if I shower too late at night (past 9 pm) it's not dry by the time I wake up. Thanks, hair.

No doubt he'll have an awful time trying to keep the braid from frizzing, as well :\
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on May 31, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
I think the only sensible thing to be said about Reynir's hair is that I want it, but my hair's never going to work like that. Probably wouldn't suit me anyway, frankly.
Also, imagine how long it takes to dry.. Mine's only shoulder-length and it already takes far too long.
There was at some point brief discussion in the comments regarding this - someone wondered why it was that Tuuri had cut her hair for the mission. While I'm sure she also had personal reasons, I pointed out short hair is not only lower-maintenance in terms of styling, but would take less water to wash (water being a rather important resource for things like cooking and sanitation) and dry quicker.

In my experience, how fast your hair dries depends on a couple of things, namely: the ambient moisture in the air, the thickness/length of your hair, and if it's in contact with something absorbent like a towel.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Curry on May 31, 2015, 07:13:05 PM
In my experience, how fast your hair dries depends on a couple of things, namely: the ambient moisture in the air, the thickness/length of your hair, and if it's in contact with something absorbent like a towel.

Oooh yeah, that's true. I do live in Florida where the air is basically water (99% humidity is more often than you think), so never mind, scrap my comment, I have no idea how long it takes for hair to dry in Scandinavia 8)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on May 31, 2015, 07:17:29 PM
Curry, it won't frizz! He's got whatever brand of hairspray Emil's using for that.
Speaking of humidity (both of you), Wales is a pretty rainy and humid country too. When it got really cold (-6 Celsius or so, which, okay, isn't much elsewhere but it's rare in Britain, I saw one girl's long frizzy hair freeze when she went outside and it was still wet.
I mean, ew. Given that they're somewhere far colder, I suppose it makes sense.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Haiz on May 31, 2015, 07:19:22 PM
There was at some point brief discussion in the comments regarding this - someone wondered why it was that Tuuri had cut her hair for the mission. While I'm sure she also had personal reasons, I pointed out short hair is not only lower-maintenance in terms of styling, but would take less water to wash (water being a rather important resource for things like cooking and sanitation) and dry quicker.
yeah, and it may also have been stuff like, easier to wear the mask, less getting in the way of the uniform... short hair is practical for many reasons.

of course, as a fictional trope a haircut is very symbolic for change and leaving things behind, too.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on May 31, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
To return to the topic of Reynir's hair though, the braid is very important for Icelandic weather. The wind here is insane, there's no hope of ever doing more than a by-default messy look to your hair OR braiding it to stop it from flying into your eyes and mouth and other places it should probably not go either. It's not the drying time he would have to worry about, rather the danger of becoming a human tumbleweed.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on May 31, 2015, 07:27:54 PM
Oooh yeah, that's true. I do live in Florida where the air is basically water (99% humidity is more often than you think), so never mind, scrap my comment, I have no idea how long it takes for hair to dry in Scandinavia 8)
According to this, Copenhagen is not that far off:
http://www.copenhagen.climatemps.com/humidity.php
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Trinka on May 31, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
I'd say I probably have hair of a similar thickness and wavyness as Reynir (check cosplay thread if you like). From the short hair in the front, I think we can assume its very volumous, but not curly. Not like the traditional curly redhead ginger hair we are all probably familiar with, tight   corkscrew curls and all. Deffinately not like Disney's Merida. So braiding it would be easier, but do you think he has layers? Because I can't see why else he would have the whole floofy mullet thing he has going on in the front if the hair wasn't cut to be specifically shorter than the rest. So does MamaBraidy trim it for him? From personal experience, it's harder to get a nice, thick, consistent looking braid when you have layers that are shorter sticking out as flyaways??
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on May 31, 2015, 10:05:48 PM
I'd say I probably have hair of a similar thickness and wavyness as Reynir (check cosplay thread if you like). From the short hair in the front, I think we can assume its very volumous, but not curly. Not like the traditional curly redhead ginger hair we are all probably familiar with, tight   corkscrew curls and all. Deffinately not like Disney's Merida. So braiding it would be easier, but do you think he has layers? Because I can't see why else he would have the whole floofy mullet thing he has going on in the front if the hair wasn't cut to be specifically shorter than the rest. So does MamaBraidy trim it for him? From personal experience, it's harder to get a nice, thick, consistent looking braid when you have layers that are shorter sticking out as flyaways??
I had assumed he just had bangs so he could, you know, see. the rest is probably not layered.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 31, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Reynir must have a lot of hair to get a braid that long. I'm always disappointed by how short my hair is when it's braided. Then again, my hair never tries to strangle me at night.  :P

He could do lots and lots of tiny braids! :D and then... BRAID THOSE BRAIDS.

I actually did that to my friend's hair back when it was about waist-length (she cut it short recently to donate it). It was fantastic.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on June 01, 2015, 12:11:39 AM
I'd say I probably have hair of a similar thickness and wavyness as Reynir (check cosplay thread if you like). From the short hair in the front, I think we can assume its very volumous, but not curly. Not like the traditional curly redhead ginger hair we are all probably familiar with, tight   corkscrew curls and all. Deffinately not like Disney's Merida. So braiding it would be easier, but do you think he has layers? Because I can't see why else he would have the whole floofy mullet thing he has going on in the front if the hair wasn't cut to be specifically shorter than the rest. So does MamaBraidy trim it for him? From personal experience, it's harder to get a nice, thick, consistent looking braid when you have layers that are shorter sticking out as flyaways??

I'd say he's got some "new hairs" growing in the front all the time, and being shorter, they don't stay in the braid and being lighter, they stick upwards... :P ...who am I kidding, he's had a consistent hairstyle his whole life, the hair would've already gown long enough, so it can't be my carefully made up explanation! The front is obviously cut to be shorter! It looks good on him becaaaaause... Icelandic magic, says I.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Trinka on June 01, 2015, 06:34:49 AM
I had assumed he just had bangs so he could, you know, see. the rest is probably not layered.
I dunno, my brother's girlfriend has super long hair that she keeps parted down the middle and basically NEVER styles or gets trimmed, other than cutting off some inches off the whole bottom. So since she's been doing this her whole life ( to my knowledge) her bangs are just as long as the rest of her hair. She usually has no problem with getting her hair in her face when she braids or puts it in a ponytail, because it all holds equally together in the hair tie.
From personal experience, shorter floofy hair is actually harder when its windy/you need to work, because it's nye on impossible to get all the different lengths to all stay down with bobby pins and the like.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/47c09eae40e2a540c1f1955d8f73711c/tumblr_inline_nnlxasGKjM1r2g2kx_540.png)
Looks like his hair is so floofy in the front, it would whip around in his face whenever there was a slight wind. What I've learned of Iceland from this forum, is that Iceland is windy as all heck, so this would probably be a huge hassle.

I'm probably over analyzing this... °_°
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on June 01, 2015, 07:12:32 AM
Looks like his hair is so floofy in the front, it would whip around in his face whenever there was a slight wind. What I've learned of Iceland from this forum, is that Iceland is windy as all heck, so this would probably be a huge hassle.
*can confirm that rural Iceland is hella-windy*
*also has long hair*
*didn't help*
*I looked like a drifter*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on June 01, 2015, 07:18:37 AM
*can confirm that rural Iceland is hella-windy*
*also has long hair*
*didn't help*
*I looked like a drifter*

*can confirm that the WHOLE Iceland is hella-windy*
*it's ok, everyone looks like a drifter after a minute outdoors*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: JoB on June 01, 2015, 05:13:55 PM
*it's ok, everyone looks like a drifter after a minute outdoors*
[Cue mega-evil laughter from Trond]
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on June 01, 2015, 06:58:33 PM
[Cue mega-evil laughter from Trond]

I wish we could insert short voice records  :-X I'd love to hear you Trond's impersonation.

Talking of windy weather, maybe he wears it "short" in the front to keep his ears warm, at least that's the excuse my brothers use and abuse to justify letting their hair grow to "hippie" lengths, by the classical and conservative local standards hehe

Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 01, 2015, 07:04:03 PM
I wish we could insert short voice records  :-X I'd love to hear you Trond's impersonation.

you can: http://vocaroo.com/
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on June 01, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
you can: http://vocaroo.com/

Por Baco!!! Now I can ask JoB to make a Trond's evil laughter impersonation!!!!!! Pleeeeeease JoB :D!!!!!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: JoB on June 01, 2015, 10:21:56 PM
Por Baco!!! Now I can ask JoB to make a Trond's evil laughter impersonation!!!!!! Pleeeeeease JoB :D!!!!!
... the problem being that I'm more of a "silent but (mildly) deadly" type myself ... :'(
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: BarbaryLion22 on June 01, 2015, 10:24:50 PM

From personal experience, shorter floofy hair is actually harder when its windy/you need to work, because it's nye on impossible to get all the different lengths to all stay down with bobby pins and the like.

I'm probably over analyzing this... °_°

I can second this. You need like a million bobbie pins and hair glomph products to keep it manageable.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: corncobman on June 01, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
A random thought I just had:

Every dream that Reynir has is a reset for Braidy and him. When he wakes up, he never remembers anything about the dream and Braidy reverts back to his pristine condition, therefore ensuring that Reynir never needs to braid his hair himself.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: BarbaryLion22 on June 01, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
A random thought I just had:

Every dream that Reynir has is a reset for Braidy and him. When he wakes up, he never remembers anything about the dream and Braidy reverts back to his pristine condition, therefore ensuring that Reynir never needs to braid his hair himself.

Yes. That is the true power of Icelandic mages; the save point.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Trinka on June 02, 2015, 02:40:14 AM
A random thought I just had:

Every dream that Reynir has is a reset for Braidy and him. When he wakes up, he never remembers anything about the dream and Braidy reverts back to his pristine condition, therefore ensuring that Reynir never needs to braid his hair himself.

It's the only logical explanation
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B4JgnCnXJLZknVRiLijCONY7S8VkmBGWIvT0DyoY2ds=w162-h193-no)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: SeaAngel on June 02, 2015, 11:32:25 AM
I'd say he's got some "new hairs" growing in the front all the time, and being shorter, they don't stay in the braid and being lighter, they stick upwards... :P ...who am I kidding, he's had a consistent hairstyle his whole life, the hair would've already gown long enough, so it can't be my carefully made up explanation! The front is obviously cut to be shorter! It looks good on him becaaaaause... Icelandic magic, says I.

I think this "new hair" explanation is spot-on, because this is exactly what has been happening to my own hair.
There are permanantly short hair around my face -- the rest is long. By the time the short hair goes long, NEW short hair has spruted! Result: permanantly untamable hair in annoying places. It is horror. :P
(Btw, a hairdresser once told me that this is happening because my hair was NEVER cut when I was a small child. I can totally see the same thing happening to Reynir.)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 02, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
We know he grew up on a tiny farm, but here's something I hadn't really considered before - was he ever around anyone BUT his family growing up? This may be his first time (barring the Tuna Fish) that he's actually spent a good deal of time interacting with anyone who isn't a family member, and obviously he wouldn't really know how to act around peoplefor that reason (not asking them how they feel, etc)

Of course it's possible they had farmhands and such, but even so.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Laufey on June 02, 2015, 12:11:53 PM
Going by pages 293 + 294 he could even have lived in a tiny village. On page 293 we see a bit too many buildings for a singular farm and on page 294 one of the houses on the right hand side seems to have a sign outside of it and another hanging on the wall that make it look like it could be a shop or a bar.

If that's the case, then most likely he's only known a handful of people in his life: the villagers and relatives popping by for a visit. Judging by his reaction to Reykjavík he's definitely unused to large amounts of people - er - the amount of people living in a small-ish town, so I wouldn't be surprised if at least a part of his problems interacting with the others wasn't simply due to lack of practice (and the fact that some crew members Lalli is too Lalli are themselves not easy for socializing anyway).
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 02, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
Going by pages 293 + 294 he could even have lived in a tiny village. On page 293 we see a bit too many buildings for a singular farm and on page 294 one of the houses on the right hand side seems to have a sign outside of it and another hanging on the wall that make it look like it could be a shop or a bar.

If that's the case, then most likely he's only known a handful of people in his life: the villagers and relatives popping by for a visit. Judging by his reaction to Reykjavík he's definitely unused to large amounts of people - er - the amount of people living in a small-ish town, so I wouldn't be surprised if at least a part of his problems interacting with the others wasn't simply due to lack of practice (and the fact that some crew members Lalli is too Lalli are themselves not easy for socializing anyway).
Well that's good at least! I was worried poor Reynir had literally NEVER SEEN OTHER PEOPLE
Good catch laufey :3
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: KMK on June 03, 2015, 12:05:26 AM
I dunno, my brother's girlfriend has super long hair that she keeps parted down the middle and basically NEVER styles or gets trimmed, other than cutting off some inches off the whole bottom. So since she's been doing this her whole life ( to my knowledge) her bangs are just as long as the rest of her hair. She usually has no problem with getting her hair in her face when she braids or puts it in a ponytail, because it all holds equally together in the hair tie.
From personal experience, shorter floofy hair is actually harder when its windy/you need to work, because it's nye on impossible to get all the different lengths to all stay down with bobby pins and the like.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/47c09eae40e2a540c1f1955d8f73711c/tumblr_inline_nnlxasGKjM1r2g2kx_540.png)
Looks like his hair is so floofy in the front, it would whip around in his face whenever there was a slight wind. What I've learned of Iceland from this forum, is that Iceland is windy as all heck, so this would probably be a huge hassle.

I'm probably over analyzing this... °_°

Maybe it isn't multi-length so much as by choice but because all the lambs liked to sneak up on him while he was day dreaming and try to eat his hair.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Cat Is in the Moon on June 03, 2015, 12:36:55 AM
To be frank the one thing I've been wondering about the most since Reynir arrived is probably if he remembered to take his hairbrush with him. If he doesn't have a hairbrush, the world is going to self-destruct painfully.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 03, 2015, 11:40:14 AM
To be frank the one thing I've been wondering about the most since Reynir arrived is probably if he remembered to take his hairbrush with him. If he doesn't have a hairbrush, the world is going to self-destruct painfully.
Maybe he can share Emil's  ;)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Cat Is in the Moon on June 03, 2015, 05:07:12 PM
Nej men Emil är svensk. ;) Emil's Swedish. He doesn't have a hairbrush he just needs to swing his hand and his hair sets itself perfectly. But... there must be a limit for how long hair you're allowed to do that with. XD Otherwise I'll die of jealousy...
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on June 03, 2015, 05:52:02 PM
He doesn't have a hairbrush he just needs to swing his hand and his hair sets itself perfectly.
Well, we have seen Lalli just kind of flailing at it (in the train!) and it still magically sparkled back into place.
(I'm jealous as well, don't worry)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: North on June 06, 2015, 04:02:56 PM
I saw this video on Facebook and all I could think of was Reynir's hair. (warning: there's music)

https://www.facebook.com/Vlechten.met.Daan/videos/1641853616052356/
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 06, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
I saw this video on Facebook and all I could think of was Reynir's hair. (warning: there's music)

https://www.facebook.com/Vlechten.met.Daan/videos/1641853616052356/
OH MY GOD YES
Someone please draw this.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on June 06, 2015, 07:56:37 PM

I saw this video on Facebook and all I could think of was Reynir's hair. (warning: there's music)

https://www.facebook.com/Vlechten.met.Daan/videos/1641853616052356/

*Bows and pays respect to you, beautiful person*
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Antillanka on June 06, 2015, 08:17:56 PM
OH MY GOD YES
Someone please draw this.

will this suffice for a while?
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b94291217d07d478b7464336eba47157/tumblr_npjuaquncc1r4udi4o1_1280.jpg)

by the way, Tuuri loves Reynir's hair, not him (yet?)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Solovei on June 06, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
by the way, Tuuri loves Reynir's hair, not him (yet?)
That is definitely a thing I will sadly admit to having done a few times in real life >_>
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: North on June 07, 2015, 06:39:22 AM
*Bows and pays respect to you, beautiful person*
You are very welcome.
Also, that piece of art is the most glorious thing I've seen. It's perfect.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Jitter on August 16, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
Soo... Reynir character development discussion has ended by the time Reynir’s character development started :) Anybody want to continue? I was linked to this thread, but if there is a more appropriate one, pleased let me know!

Jumping from the confused and apologetic lad he (understandably) was when he first arrived in the Silent World, Reynir has probably grown the most. Just now, in Adventure 2 and especially on p 314, he’s a useful member of the team. He’s also got self esteem and decisiveness, even enough to outright stand up to Onni, and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Róisín on August 16, 2020, 03:39:04 PM
Agreed. Between finding his magic, learning to have at least some mastery of it, and moving from being the baby of a large and competent family to being someone in his own right, with his own worthwhile skills, is a huge step.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: wavewright62 on August 16, 2020, 07:00:37 PM
Agreed.  It was thrilling to see him put his foot down to fight for what he knew was right, in Pastor Anne's case. 
Will we get an arc when he pushes for something, following the same set of instincts, which proves to be *wrong*?  (Because that certainly is a thing for the wunderkind trope to experience.)
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on August 16, 2020, 07:11:39 PM
Agreed.  It was thrilling to see him put his foot down to fight for what he knew was right, in Pastor Anne's case. 
Will we get an arc when he pushes for something, following the same set of instincts, which proves to be *wrong*?  (Because that certainly is a thing for the wunderkind trope to experience.)
If we do, I hope it's something where he can afford to be wrong without anyone dying as a consequence; given the lethality of the Silent World, that's not likely.
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: phocena on August 16, 2020, 07:35:38 PM
I think Onni will be Reynir's first pseudo-mentor now that they're together and out in the field. Without Onni, Reynir wouldn't last even a day on his own.
Spoiler: show
 Reynir: Hey Onni, look, a spirit troll!
Onni: Wha... NO, DON't-
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Jitter on September 01, 2020, 11:59:38 AM
So, do we think today’s prank means Reynir has progressed, or possibly gone backwards? I’m in two minds - on the one hand it’s good to see he has some humor left in him even after so long (how long? Week? Two weeks? Since Väinö’s) in constant peril. On the other, this could have been a very emotional moment but he went for the laughs.

Now that I’m writing this, it occurs to me that Reynir is indeed in relative safety for the first time for a long while (longer than since Väinö’s actually) and he knows it too because Onni explained it briefly with the mosquito incident. So maybe he’s a bit light headed with relief with the safe place and finding Onni, and on top of that even seeing Tuuri. So maybe his prank isn’t that well considered, but perhaps he can be forgiven?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Vulpes on September 01, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
So, do we think today’s prank means Reynir has progressed, or possibly gone backwards? I’m in two minds - on the one hand it’s good to see he has some humor left in him even after so long (how long? Week? Two weeks? Since Väinö’s) in constant peril. On the other, this could have been a very emotional moment but he went for the laughs.

Now that I’m writing this, it occurs to me that Reynir is indeed in relative safety for the first time for a long while (longer than since Väinö’s actually) and he knows it too because Onni explained it briefly with the mosquito incident. So maybe he’s a bit light headed with relief with the safe place and finding Onni, and on top of that even seeing Tuuri. So maybe his prank isn’t that well considered, but perhaps he can be forgiven?

I think you've hit on something - he may be a bit giddy with relief from constant vigilance, and he does seem to lack a bit in the judgement department sometimes. The combination could definitely lead him to a rather tasteless prank. Or perhaps he's been pranked many times by now by Mikkel (off "camera") and it's rubbing off!  :))
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Jitter on October 05, 2020, 03:40:43 PM
Here we see Reynir the Grown-up again! http://www.sssscomic.com/comic2.php?page=343

He’s bringing up an important piece of information despite the fact that (even) he must understand that Onni “maybe a little stressed”. He’ll soon be a real boy!
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: Lallicat on October 08, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
Reynir is part lion. Who knew?
Title: Re: Reynir Árnason -- Character Development
Post by: AndrogynousAutarch on December 04, 2020, 04:56:13 AM
Speaking as someone who just completed the comic, I find Reynir to be really growing on me as a character. His growth into a more mature explorer has proven to be very satisfying. I'm also ecstatic when he shares the scene with Lalli and Emil.