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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2016, 12:38:00 PM »
Vafhudr: we do know that Lalli had at least some training from Grandma, because Tuuri tells Sigrun that she doesn't really know Lalli all that well, because 'he was always out training with Grandma', while they are following him as he scouts ahead.

Lee: that's an interesting speculation! We'll have to wait and see how it pans out, I guess. Certainly both Lalli and Onni seem a bit obsessive in the matter of being 'not allowed to make mistakes.' One does wonder why.

Lazy8: even reduced as the Known World population is, I don't think breeding is necessarily the expected default. Except for possibly Reynir, or maybe Mikkel, it's hard to imagine any of them as parents. Well, maybe Emil when he grows up, but not right now.
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2016, 12:52:38 PM »
Yes I am assuming that in the context of a post-apocalyptic scenario where I presume the rebuilding of the human race is a major priority and that marriage and reproduction are encouraged if not enforced and where personal aspiration would probably take a backseat to communal interests. I am with you, though, in saying that all these characters, from the perspective of personality, have no particular reason to be in relationships or have started families. This, beyond the Dagrenning program, is a dimension that has not been given a lot of exploration - but they must be doing something to prevent human populations to further unravel since, considering what we have seen so far, we must presume that even though humans have attained a sort of stabilization, that there is still some heavy attrition from trolls and the plague, without considering nutrition, common sickness (only Sweden and Iceland, and perhaps Denmark seem to have levels capable of sustaining modern medicine), and things as banal as infant mortality.

And yes. I could. I presume, in fact, that a lot of people with families (we have to presume that military personnel have families) engage in missions that are just as dangerous - if not outwardly as foolhardy as an incursion on the mainland. I bet poorly funded, shady, and poorly organized probably sums up half of norwegian military maneuvers.
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2016, 01:31:55 PM »
Yes I am assuming that in the context of a post-apocalyptic scenario where I presume the rebuilding of the human race is a major priority and that marriage and reproduction are encouraged if not enforced and where personal aspiration would probably take a backseat to communal interests. I am with you, though, in saying that all these characters, from the perspective of personality, have no particular reason to be in relationships or have started families. This, beyond the Dagrenning program, is a dimension that has not been given a lot of exploration - but they must be doing something to prevent human populations to further unravel since, considering what we have seen so far, we must presume that even though humans have attained a sort of stabilization, that there is still some heavy attrition from trolls and the plague, without considering nutrition, common sickness (only Sweden and Iceland, and perhaps Denmark seem to have levels capable of sustaining modern medicine), and things as banal as infant mortality.

If there are enough people out there who have a lot of children - Reynir's family, for one, and presumably Mikkel's as well - that still leaves plenty of room for people who don't want children not to have children. Plus in this setting you can't afford to have your population grow too fast either, given the limited resources and the fact that there are very few places left to expand to, except for a few small pieces of very hard-earned cleansed land.

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And yes. I could. I presume, in fact, that a lot of people with families (we have to presume that military personnel have families) engage in missions that are just as dangerous - if not outwardly as foolhardy as an incursion on the mainland. I bet poorly funded, shady, and poorly organized probably sums up half of norwegian military maneuvers.

Well yes, we do know that both of Sigrun's parents are generals in the Norwegian military, so it's not out of the question to have a dangerous job and a family. I think this is a bit out of the way of 'ordinary-dangerous' even by this world's standards, though. A mission like this is where things go from 'dangerous' to 'suicidal,' at least as far as most right-minded people are concerned. Of course, most of the members of this crew aren't really what one could call right-minded people (and I say that with utmost affection).

I... also realize that I'm kind of derailing this thread. Should we move this discussion elsewhere?
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #48 on: February 29, 2016, 07:39:38 AM »
Ok, so I am all about this theorising on Onni's character and history.

The way I read their backstory so far:

> The Hotakainens mysterious grandma is possibly/probably Aino's unborn child from the prologue (or married Aino's child I guess).
> She lived in Saimaa with the rest of the family, her children were the parents of Lalli, Onni and Tuuri.
> These settlements were vulnerable to attack, everyone lived in fear of an outbreak.
> She was probably a mage and/or a night scout.
> She made some terrible mistake that lead to either a direct troll attack or an outbreak of the illness in their wee community.

Onni, Lalli and Tuuri fled this disaster, grandma and the rest of the family died either as a direct result of the mistake or in trying to fix it. Onni was older and a more proficient mage so he's both more aware of what happened and incredibly traumatised by it. They fled to Keuruu and its relative safety as a military base. During this escape he's suddenly responsible for the youngsters, and they're fleeing across the silent world to Keuruu. I can kinda understand him getting to the safety of Keuruu and just going "nopenopenopenopenope never going outside again here is good here is safe". Over the years this has turned into a mental habit of sorts and explain a little more of his total fear of the silent world.

It's interesting to note though: while Onni is terrified of going outside, and horrified by the idea that Tuuri is leaving, he doesn't seem so concerned about Lalli being a night scout and going outside regularly. He's very concerned about Lalli getting stuff wrong, but from what little we've seen he's not so fussed about the "going outside" bit.

Maybe he's just come to terms with it, or it's the awareness that it's a necessary evil, but considering how young Lalli would have been when they got to Keuruu I'd have thought he'd have dissuaded him from going into night-scouting as a profession. So...infection is a major source of his fear maybe? I mean he's scared as hell in the real world, but spirit world Onni is just sensibly wary of certain dangers. In the dreamscape/spirit world he's pretty forward and self confident, not exactly shying away from conflict/combat. As a non-immune mage he feels helpless in the real world where infection poses a threat, but in the spirit world he knows he can beat up anything that crosses him.

As for now though? He's actually left Keuruu, he's gone into the real world again. The question is though, is this just his fear for Tuuri and Lalli has trumped his fear for himself? Or has he taken a good long look at himself and realised that these two kids, who went through the exact same thing he did, are doing this and he's put them in danger by clinging to his safety blanket or never-going-outside? Like, if they can do this, why can't he?

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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #49 on: February 29, 2016, 08:19:22 AM »
I think he loves his family a great deal. He's very attached to Tuuri and Lalli, because they're all he has left. He hasn't been able to contact Lalli in the spirit world, and he's definitely a worrier. I think that not knowing what his family has been doing, and how they've been doing was killing him back in Keuruu. I believe his fear was based primarily on traveling safely from Keuruu to Mora, because Mora is safer than Keuruu. I imagine him hiding and refusing to look out the unshuttered windows of the train. We saw him pulling together the courage to get on the ship.

I definitely think infection is the main source of his fear. I think the mistake Grandma made caused his family members to be infected, and at some point he saw that first hand.
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2016, 08:24:36 AM »
Hedge: grandma is/was Aino's unborn child, it's been confirmed.  :)
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2016, 08:53:09 AM »
Hedge: grandma is/was Aino's unborn child, it's been confirmed.  :)

Ah, thanks Laufey, it's kinda hard to keep track of all the Word Of God at times.

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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2016, 10:07:21 PM »
Okay so I intended to just stay lurking around the corners of this forum and never actually say anything much but AAAAAAAA ONNI!!!

Onni is totally my favourite SSSS character ever in the beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure kind of way! I'm kind of a total newbie to SSSS meta discussions so please guide me gently if something is incorrect. But hey first listen to me as I go fangirling about him. : D

First of all, look at him. Grumpy and sulky idiot disapproving generally everything like are you sure your face just didn't stick that way permanently? All that "Hello yes I am a jedi master straight out of my solitary cave, please just cease with your nonsense already and start using your brain - OH DEAR A CHILD! What to do? Hmmm... must adopt and teach the ways of the Force!" vibe just sort of pours out of him I can't take it it's too cute! Imo his facial features and hair are not all that interesting and his style seems to lean towards plain, practical, uniform and traditional BUT as all those things just add to his personality I'm not complaining. Plus, they have some really nice uniforms...

Story wise, at first I didn't care for him so much, it was kind of apparent that we wouldn't be seeing him that much. But then something happened as we met him again in that dream space of his and wow. I can't really describe the wibes I got from him, he has some serious power and fury to his character and yet he is so so very afraid of anything and everything. He tries to look like he doesn't really care what happens as long as he and his family is safe but we can clearly see younger him was very nervous about what other people think of him.

Annnnd because I can't seem to shut up about this: the whole thing about the dream world scene! When Reynir enters his dream space we get to see some seriously angry Onni. And well he seems to be really powerful! We can see his hands glowing with magic (that light blue energy stuff) and he is so ready to just rip Reynir in pieces. Then he hears Reynir mention Tuuri and just like that he is all "OMG YOU KNOW MY SISTER TELL ME MORE!!" He is so anxious and eager to hear just anything about his family that it takes a while for him to hear Lalli shouting from the border.

Then! Lalli! I totally have so many feelings about how Onni and Lalli act around each other. Like idk the way those two just run towards each other and then stop just to take each others in and you can see Onni is so so so very relieved to see his cousin and they both just take a moment. You can feel the relieved sort of contentment they are both feeling. Oh, and then Lalli is the one to start talking so fast and so much and for him it must mean the world if he is comfortable enough to do that!

I sincerely believe Lalli looks up to Onni and sees him as some kind of a role model. Maybe not as a father figure - there is not big enough age difference for that and also Onni was not an actual adult when he had to take up that role - but certainly an older brother and figure of authority of some kind. After Reynir gets out of the dream space their discussion gets full of tension, the look they share (page 332 bottom panel) is so skillfully drawn and everything is full of meaning and the next page is so awesome too and aaaaa! And if a person like Lalli respects, listens to and confines in him so much there must be some merit in it, mhm? It most likely isn't just a family thing, think about how Lalli just plain ignores Taru at all times...

(What is this "it" that is after them again? The grandma dear turned into a troll lurking deep in the waters of dream space? Would it end with a different result if a mage got ill? Is there a Real Good Reason for Onni to be as paranoid as he is?)

Annnd then the flashback! Young Onni being his grumpy self again. : D No mistakes allowed! Must work hard! Must be perfect! It is near impossible to demand something like that from anyone dear to you if you aren't demanding that also of yourself and think it is for the very best to that person.

THEN THERE IS THIS WHOLE THING where he leaves his home (like the last time he left his home wasn't painful enough since he never had the chance to go back) and goes out to the far and wide world! Poor soul lost his luggage. </3 But he made it! On his own!! Although he does sleep outside in the snow... And is just super awkward and just bad at social situations with adult men who speak Swedish. Or Icelandic. Well finally he finds out that "lol yeah so this is like the first time in days we had any contact with them haha guess you can sit by and wait for them to answer" is the way the support team has taken care of his sister and cousin. Poor baby he is so distressed and of course he has been crying also he will cry and the kids are all over him and that cat tries to eat his food while he is practically asleep because of the exhaustion and the stress and worry. ;n;

And THEN he tries to act all cool and Not At All Bothered by the fact they were just gone and he was too far away and so alone and they are his only family really. But everyone just pushes him aside and talks about important mission stuff that in his opinion must be totally irrelevant btw because he just heard the voice of his sister thank you gods of the forest and moon and whatever just thank you. (Also help me he is so blunt and rude it is hilarious; way to compliment the food... I bet he has a great sense of humor.)

You still with me? Okay so time for me to rant about the owl thingy! Oooooh man how COOL is that! Like whoa???!? This is the actual top quality protective magic that a trained finnish mage can do. Plus it's so sweet how he has apparently been put on babysitting duty and he pulls it of so well if we can judge by the panel where he appears to be reading net to the terror children. But yeah too bad they had the scissors within reach haha whoops a mistake like that could happen to anyone... Btw I support the theory that as his owl for/luonto/he himself in a dream world body/whatever was damaged the reality had to in a way find a cause to mach his physical body to the spiritual one and hence the loss of the majestic earlobe. </3 Oh, but sacrifices must be made for family and some weird dudes who are tagging along them.

So as you can see I'm 110% feels 0% sense when it comes to Onni but what can you do? In conclusion Onni is perfect little piece of awesome grumpiness and I hope he can get his stuff sorted out and has the chance to meet his remaining family again. ;;A;
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2016, 03:56:01 AM »
Okay so I intended to just stay lurking around the corners of this forum and never actually say anything much but AAAAAAAA ONNI!!!

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So as you can see I'm 110% feels 0% sense when it comes to Onni but what can you do? In conclusion Onni is perfect little piece of awesome grumpiness and I hope he can get his stuff sorted out and has the chance to meet his remaining family again. ;;A;

I just trimmed that for space but it seems like you're thinking along the lines of several other people here. Plus your enthusiasm is pretty amazing.  ;D
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2016, 10:57:48 PM »
Thread necromancer strikes again  :V

I just feel like considering it's somewhat of a bench mark that Onni actually smiled on this it's worthy to be mentioned in this thread even if it might not necessarily be so much character development as it is character revealing. Considering Onni is, well, Onni I'm assuming it takes quite a bit to actually make him smile so I've been thinking about what exactly about explaining that it's a "temple dedicated to an old world god" that made him smile. My personal interpretation is that it has something to do with talking about spirituality of any kind is a subject very dear to Onni as a full time career mage. It made me think about how I've seen Catholic priests smile talking about the spiritual beauty of devout Muslims and Buddhists.

At the very least I think it's safe to assume that Onni has a pretty extensive knowledge on many spiritual subjects even beyond his own Finnish gods and that spiritual knowledge might be one of the few things that gives him contentment.


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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2016, 11:58:54 PM »
Pls. His smile is about Benjamin Franklin-tier.

That is to say, slightly above non-plussed.

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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2017, 05:00:24 PM »
Necro-ing this thread again...

Well, now we know what a full fledged mage is capable of  XoX XoX XoX ... Now, does somebody want to share how they interpret Onni's last face expression?
a- Is he resigned with his fate, sacrificing himself for his family?
b- Is he wondering wether or not will he survive this ordeal?
c- Is he preparing for the horribly scorching pain of channeling a firebird through his Luonto?
d- All the previous?

I'm partial towards C.
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2017, 05:26:51 PM »
I'd go with 'all of the above'.
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2017, 06:06:14 PM »
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Re: Character Development: Onni
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2017, 05:50:30 PM »
When it comes to Onni, I think that his protectiveness and care for his sister and cousin do him great credit, I think he makes a very good patriarchal figure and I want him to be able to have the stability of a home if that's what he really wants, but it would be a shame if he was stuck there out of fear. Aside from that, in many respects he seems to have a healthier way of interacting with Lalli than Tuuri does, but he could sure manage a more supportive way of dealing with mistakes/admonissions of care.
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