Survivor communities outside the known world

[Gwyrion]

Well, short of using your nuclear arsenal on your own territory to erect a barrier zone between the East and the West whose radioactivity permits only cockroaches to travel through, that is. (Pray for the predominant wind direction to stay very predominant through the following centuries.)

... what? I'm a technician. I'm supposed to find ways to solve the problem at hand with the available tools.

I don't think that America would be able to convince itself to turn it's nukes against itself, though, until it was way too late. Unless some third party managed to use the nukes themselves, of course.

[Hrollo]

Not to mention that this solution kind of implies that the disease would somehow only come from the east coast, which doesn't really make sense even in a scenario where the US close all their borders and international traffic soon enough; infected mammals will just get through the mexican and canadian borders.

[Cynic]

I'm pretty sure a lot of places in the UK will have survived.
There are lots of regions prone to flash flooding, however we don't know if trolls would be able to survive that or not. There are also lots of large, uninhabited regions in Scotland, Wales, the north of England and west of Ireland so any sheep or cows that have become trolls there wouldn't have any buildings to shelter in for the inevitably awful weather.
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Sheep and Cows would become Beast and beast can survive winters outside at least as well as the animal they once where.

[Richard Weir]

Sheep and Cows would become Beast and beast can survive winters outside at least as well as the animal they once where.

Not to mention that we have very mild winters compared to other places at the same high latitude! Trolls would probably only have to take shelter during January and early February, and would be active for most of the rest of the year. We also have a lot of cloudy nights, so any traveller hoping for the blessing of the moon had better have a powerful prayer to ensure it.

[Hrollo]

Ok, so, let's try to summerize in one post the different locations outside the Known World where survivors might be found:

North America:
—Scattered survivors community accross Canada and Alaska, with the most prominent in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island.
—The Appalachians.
—The Dakota badlands and indian reservations of the upper Midwest.
—The Rockies.
—Greenland (I'm putting Greenland here for convenience, this is not a political statetement don't be mad plzkthx)

South America:
—The Andes.
—The Tierra del Fuego peninsula.

Africa
—The only place that gets somewhat cold in the winter and offer natural protection are the Cape Fold mountains in South Africa and the Lesotho mountain range. Other mountain ranges in Africa are right into the tropical zone and see no winter at all.

Europe
—The Alps.
—The Carpathians.

Asia
—The Urals
—The Altai
—Siberia in general (scattered groups)
—The Caucasus mountains, eastern Anatolian plateau and Zagros Mountains (in spite of their low lattitude, pretty close to subtropics, these regions turn out to have much colder climate than surrounding areas of similar lattitude).
—The Tian Sha mountains (mostly over Kyrgyzstan).
—The Tibetan plateau and the Himalaya.
—The mountains of western Mongolia.
—Japan (only Hokaido and northern Honshu, if they failed to contain the flows of east asian refugees).

Oceania
—Possibly Tasmania and southern New Zealand.
—Most micronesian and polynesian islands.

Antarctica
—The Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, if they managed to somehow create a self-sustainable organisation.
—The McMurdo Station.
—King George Island.

Agree/disagree?

edit: added the Rocky mountains.
edit: added Micronesia and Polynesia.
edit: added stuff

[Fimbulvarg]

Guam and greater Polynesia has been mentioned.

[Hrollo]

Righto; they're in a tropical climate zone which is bad, but the very strong isolation and scattered nature does give them a good chance of avoiding the rash illness entirely; adding those and a bit more.

[Fenris]

Antarctica
—The Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, if they managed to somehow create a self-sustainable organisation (other antarctica stations are much too small to accomplish this).

McMurdo is larger than Amundsen-Scott (McMurdo having a summer population of more than a thousand, and winter population in the several hundreds). The various research stations in the King George Island (who would speak more languages than the known world) could also have a sustainable population if the population from about eleven different countries could put aside their differences. If enough fishing trawlers seek refuge in McMurdo and other coastal research stations & former whaling stations, and they don't bring the rash with them, the food issues may even be resolved nicely.

[Green Thumb]

If we were talking outside of Europe, I'd like to posit the possibility of some survivors in the Badlands of the Dakotas of the US.

Lower population combined with natural walls and the generally good line of sight would give some of the communities in the area a decent chance, as would other resources (metal, oil, food, guns) in the area and nearby. Winters are as cold as Canada, which has been established as being a good thing for survivors.

Mind you, the wild animal population is a point against survivors, but otherwise it has similar advantages to other locations occupied by survivors.

Just my thoughts.

[Thorin Schmidt]

I definitely think that some areas of America would have survivors, but the government would likely be in shambles.

Frankly, that would probably make America run better.  The Founding Fathers never thought anyone would be insane enough to make a CAREER out of politics, or that WE would be stupid enough to elect someone like that into power in the first place....  :/

[Green Thumb]

America has several points against it, for the mainstay of the population:
1. Low self admission rates for medical issues (we tend to go the hospital, not the doctor)
2. Tendency to 'Work Thru' an illness instead of taking time off.
3. Vast city centric population tied to high rural/suburban mammal infestation rates.
4. Centralization of resources prior to distribution
5. Car Centric Culture - We could be anywhere in the country fairly quickly, and the road system is redundant enough that 'cutting off' a route is nearly impossible.

That said, America does have a few areas where survival would be manageable if they could avoid or contain initial infection. Some of the Islands off the east coast would be good candidates, as would some of the Northern Inland areas where the mountains, hills, or badlands could make good defenses. The abundance of fire arms don't count for much in this scenario, but the abundance of hunters does.

That said, I'd place the total number of survivors in the low 50 to 60 thousands, mostly due to point 5 complicating the difficulty in isolating communities for desperate people.

[Sparky Dragon]

Actually, the car thing is a good deal of why Alaska would be very defensible. There is exactly one road to anywhere, and occasionally less. However, down in the south (where there's actually...people), there's 101 ways to get everywhere. I think the North-Central area of the US would be okay in that regard, though.

[Mayabird]

Frankly, that would probably make America run better.  The Founding Fathers never thought anyone would be insane enough to make a CAREER out of politics, or that WE would be stupid enough to elect someone like that into power in the first place....  :/

Of course, they also thought that slaves were 3/5 of a person, plus that slavery was totally fine.  They thought a lot of dumb and crappy things.

[Hrollo]

Ok, adding those.

[Gwyrion]

Frankly, that would probably make America run better.  The Founding Fathers never thought anyone would be insane enough to make a CAREER out of politics, or that WE would be stupid enough to elect someone like that into power in the first place....  :/

I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say? And don't make this a political debate, that's not what we're here for.