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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #270 on: December 02, 2022, 01:54:53 AM »
Thank you Dmeck!  The premise and world sound fascinating!
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #271 on: December 02, 2022, 05:45:14 AM »
I tried reading through that webcomic in "big chunks" at some point. I remember it having a plague arc right around the time of the 2020 lockdowns and the dream plotline failing to actually grab me, so my current rapport with it is a "oh yeah, that, I wonder how it's going?"  that isn't quite strong enough for me to take the time to check at the moment.
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #272 on: December 02, 2022, 08:49:29 AM »
I tried reading through that webcomic in "big chunks" at some point. I remember it having a plague arc right around the time of the 2020 lockdowns and the dream plotline failing to actually grab me, so my current rapport with it is a "oh yeah, that, I wonder how it's going?"  that isn't quite strong enough for me to take the time to check at the moment.

Yeah it is an interesting comic and can be difficult to digest.  I thought I'd mention it for this month's comic, though I would not be surprised if there aren't many "takers"

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The plague arc was some sort of super bird flu. 
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #273 on: December 02, 2022, 09:14:20 AM »
Gifts of Wandering Ice sounds absolutely fascinating! Will definitely check it out when I get home from work this evening.

No shade for Tiger, Tiger, but I've been preoccupied with other things and haven't made it very far. Will definitely keep reading, though! I've really enjoyed what I've read so far.

Thanks, dmeck7755 and Keep Looking, for the recommendations!

Wow Phantomarine is going strong! Anyone interested if I open a discussion for it?
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #274 on: December 02, 2022, 09:39:35 AM »
Ok everyone, just remember that you don’t have to be a mod to open a new discussion, anyone can. But I will!
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #275 on: December 02, 2022, 05:25:11 PM »
I mean, you asked. :P

Gifts of Wandering Ice seems pretty neat so far. Opening seems a little slow, but then BAM, dinosaur attack. I think a lot of comics would be improved with dinosaur attacks within the first ten pages. (Even Atomic Robo was thirteen issues in before Dr. Dinosaur showed up.) The dialogue is a little stilted but I've read worse, so no big deal. Rikter's conflicted feelings about the cave dwellers have certainly piqued my interest. I'm not in deep enough yet for the rest of the cast to stand up off the page (other than Rita in that whole dinosaur thing) but I'm sure they'll get their chance.
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #276 on: December 06, 2022, 11:12:07 AM »
yeah, There are all kinds of weird stuff that comes out as the comic goes on. 

I think the dialog may be a bit off because of translation between Russian and English

It is weird, I like the story, but never really got into any of the characters over-much
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #277 on: December 06, 2022, 11:36:01 AM »
I did indeed ask :) But the enthusiasm of response “sounded” like “finally! I’ve been waiting for this!” so wanted to remind :)

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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #278 on: December 09, 2022, 09:43:26 PM »
More like "Oh! Someone else would be interested in this too!?" Maybe I'm just too timid to try it and find out that way.

I wouldn't mind taking January if nobody else wants it. I'll get started on a writeup either way, since I'm out of spares.

As for this month's comic, I can agree that as far as I've read (up to page 56), the characters aren't as compelling as the ones in some of the other comics featured here. Rikter is no Ezra Kelly or Pavel Morena, and Elie's no Lodovica Bonnaire. But there's enough to them that I'm driven to want to learn more about them anyway. They make me want to see where their story will go.

Also, speaking of page 56, "Destiny is a tricky thing." Someone has good taste in cartoons. ;)
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #279 on: December 10, 2022, 11:33:51 AM »
yeah some of the things she says/writes about can be pretty profound. 

I do not think anyone can reach Pavel Morena :)

I really got into the characters of SSSS and I am definitely getting into Phantomarine's characters (Gotta love grandma)

A lot of the others I like for the story
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #280 on: December 11, 2022, 07:15:17 AM »
It took me a while to get into Gifts of Wandering Ice, but once the plot really started to get going I was quite hooked. It did get a bit confusing towards the end, though.

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Especially after the plague started? Before the plague things seemed to make sense but after the plague things got a lot more confusing and it was harder to keep track of characters.
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #281 on: December 11, 2022, 08:32:52 AM »
It took me a while to get into Gifts of Wandering Ice, but once the plot really started to get going I was quite hooked. It did get a bit confusing towards the end, though.

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Especially after the plague started? Before the plague things seemed to make sense but after the plague things got a lot more confusing and it was harder to keep track of characters.


You are very correct about that
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I think because the tribes merged.  That did not help


Plus there are a lot of flashbacks which make it hard to follow
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #282 on: December 30, 2022, 11:01:39 AM »
Yeah flashbacks can make things confusing - some comics/stories are better at making it really clear it's a flashback and others it all feels muddy.

I've just started the Gifts of Wandering Ice and I like it so far.  Just the premise of old world things trapped in glaciers slowly becoming revealed.  Have not gotten far yet.


No shade for Tiger, Tiger, but I've been preoccupied with other things and haven't made it very far. Will definitely keep reading, though! I've really enjoyed what I've read so far.


Iirc it can be a bit slow to get to the really interesting bits.   There'll likely be a few points that grab you and you can't stop reading.

Right now it's at a place in the plot I may need to step away from for awhile - which isn't a criticism, just it's pretty emotionally charged and I find those easier to take in in one go than in drips.

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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #283 on: January 01, 2023, 09:38:49 AM »
@Linebyline you are on! Happy 2023!

I’m through Book 1 of the Gifts of Wandering Ice and still at the ”premise is fascinating” level, so we’ll see.

And, up to date on Tiger, Tiger. Which I love! There was a poll on one of the neat to newest pages about who is your favorite character, and it was a tough one! (Jamis, of course, but what in that case about Ludo, and Remi, and…???)
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Re: Comic of the Month
« Reply #284 on: January 01, 2023, 05:34:01 PM »
Merry January, everyone!

I'm up to page 466 of Tiger, Tiger, and the amount of nudity in the comic (which is far from a lot but more than none) is getting uncomfortable. Like, it's not porn, but also here's a dude who clearly just had sex and while he's definitely not doing that at the moment here's his penis anyway. This on top of all the boobs from earlier. On the plus side, I'm looking forward to seeing Sausage eat Ratattack or whatever his name is. :P

Meanwhile I'm at page 370 of Gifts of Wandering Ice and my major gripe right now is the junk psychology. Mirror neurons, empaths, etc. But it's too late. I'm hooked on the story. I still think the character writing is not a strong point bit I'm attached anyway. Nothing for it but to see this through to the end and find out what happens to these dorks.

Anyway, on to new business.

So I don't think I'm telling most of you anything you don't already know when I say that Daughter of the Lilies exists, and it is good. But it hasn't been featured here yet, and it's just resumed updating as of November, so now seems like a good time.

For those who don't know, or who need a refresher, Daughter of the Lilies is a fantasy comic written and drawn by Meg Syverud (credited as Meg Syv) and colored mostly by Yoko Weaver (with some help from other colorists and Meg herself from time to time). It centers on the adventures and occasional misadventures of "Thistle" (the latest in a long list of plant-based pseudonyms), a young woman who goes to great lengths to conceal her identity. Also she is a huge magic nerd and it is very important to me that you know this.

She joins a small team of adventurers-for-hire led by Orrig, an incredibly strong, kind, and proficient orc man vit some version of Russian accent. The team's muscle is the Brent, who bears both a crush on Thistle and a chip on his shoulder over the racist treatment his one-fourth orc heritage got him. The final member is the archer Lyra, a blonde, beautiful, brash, boorish elf whose personality is just about as far from Tolkien's Galadriel as it gets. It's your typical ragtag misfit found-family setup.

In Chapter One, the gang's current job is to clear a mine of man-eating monsters known as cave elves. One of them badly injures Brent's arm by, naturally, taking a bite out of it. Another fights Thistle and ends up ripping her mask off. Seeing Thistle's face is enough of a shock for the monster that he panics and runs straight for Lyra, who rewards him with a quick death. Most of the rest of Book One is a flashback revealing how Thistle ended up joining Orrig's crew, followed by the chapter where Thistle's true nature is finally revealed to the reader (but not to her teammates).

If you don't want spoilers, I recommend heading straight for the first page, because the arc that's going on as I write this puts the big twist about Thistle's identity on full display. If you don't care about spoilers, read on:
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Yeah, Thistle's a Cave Elf. She hides because of the way everyone thinks of Cave Elves as monsters.

So what we saw of cave elves in Chapter One was meant to get us going along with the rest of the team's and society's biases before slamming us in the face with the fact--which in hindsight should have been obvious--that a handful of cave-dwelling cannibals are not reflective of an entire race and do not justify thinking of sapient beings as subhuman monsters. There are very clear parallels between the way society thinks of cave elves and the way it used to think of Orcs, and a non-negligible percentage of folks still do.

Brent, who was traumatized by racist bullying, unknowingly hurts Thistle with his own racism. He calls the cave elves "pus-eating mange flies" and it's not clear whether he means specifically the ones that tried to kill him or just cave elves in general, or if he even cares about the distinction.


The story strikes a delightful balance between being a fun romp and dealing with some incredibly heavy stuff. Tone-wise, it's more or less in line with Phantomarine, a little more pulpy than Suihira and less so than Freelancers. It's a more overtly fantastic and magical world than The Sword Interval or Widdershins, to the point that (to Meg's chagrin) it has been mistaken for a Dungeons and Dragons fan comic. There are hints that it's post-post-apocalyptic, but thus far the story hasn't really leaned into that; you just see wreckage of present-day stuff on the periphery.

So how about those content warnings? Well, let's start with what the lady herself says on page 2:
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CONTENT WARNING

Daughter of the Lilies is widely considered to have a PG-13 rating, as it contains depictions of gore, violence, emotionally distressing events, and implied swearing that some readers may find upsetting.

Reader discretion is advised.

In the mouseover text, she adds: "If this comic were released in the 80s, it would have gotten a PG rating, maybe."

Here's my take:
  • You got your standard issue fantasy racism, including some that the story deliberately tempts the reader to accept at first. Normal racism hasn't shown up as far as I recall; Orcs are green but humans (and, I think, elves and dwarves) seem to come in the usual range of human ethnicities and I don't think thatt's commented on.
  • Overall, the story is mercifully free of cheesecake. There is one major exception: The current arc starts with an over-the-top parody of a racist and misogynistic pulp fantasy about a voluptuous, chainmail-bikini-clad elf hero who fights evil orcs. It's meant to be absurd rather than titilating, but T'Fa'Ni still does a lot of breasting boobily.
  • One of the major characters is consistently topless. [EDIT: Okay, not always, but frequently.] I mean, he's a dude, and he's not objectified, and he kind of has a dad bod? But also he is Very Muscles.

  • There's mild gore. While it's handled as gracefully as possible, and most of it is off-panel, people do tend to bleed when they're stabbed, and we see a fair bit of the inside of Brent's arm as it heals. One character receives severe chemical burns that leave her scarred. I'm not sure if the opening content warning is overstating its case or if we just haven't seen the worst of it yet.
  • There's also death. Mainly animal death, but also they very much killed those cave elves. The cover for one chapter is a rotting deer carcass. The deer shows up briefly as an illusory(?) zombie later. There's also a brief image of a dead lamb lying in a pool of blood.
  • A plot-important minor character is tormented (literally and figuratively) by the way his homophobia drove his son to suicide.
  • A plot-important major character is deeply traumatized by having been raised by a narcissistic, manipulative poopnozzle.

  • Paperwork.
  • Horror elements, including mild body horror, involving overtly demonic creatures.

How's the art? Good. Apparently it was a bit rough in the original version of the first chapter, but that had been redrawn long before I started reading. It's not as tight and realistic as The Sword Interval, but a bit more so than Phantomarine, and it's easily on par with both in terms of overall quality. But as a wise man once said, you don't have to take my word for it:

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One final note: you can get the commentary pages as a pay-what-you-want download from Hivemill since they're no longer available on the comic's site. Meg goes over all of Chapter One and describes what she's learned from it, and then Yoko spends several pages talking about her coloring process. (I'm actually not 100% sure if Yoko's part is part of the download, though.)

Enjoy!
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