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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2021, 04:49:06 AM »
As an alternative to voting (which sounds to me like it would be a bit of a pain to organise), we could just let people sign up to create threads, and whoever creates the thread decides on the webcomic discussed for that week - this way, many people could suggest their favourites even if they're not necessarily popular. We should coordinate somehow so that there are no overlaps and we get a good genre variety from one week to the other ofc. I imagine this being organised in a similar way like the Advent Calendars were a few years ago (I haven't participated in a while so I don't know if it changed).
Oh yeah, I think I get what you're saying. Do you mean there'd be something like a public calendar were people can sign up to create a thread for a certain week? It's true that that would move a lot of the burden away from the organisor, with the added benefit of making it all a bit more personal by letting people talk about the things they like. As for overlap, I'm not entirely sure how these things work, but if people could somehow indicate what they are planning to discuss beforehand then I don't think it should be much of a problem. If the Advent Calendar format was successful (I'm very new to the forum, but I just took a look at the archive and it does seem that way) then that's probably a good way to go about it.
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2021, 10:08:51 AM »
Ok, so, here I come! I have read most of this discussion and I would like to say some things, but I have a miserable amount of free time, because school.

First of all, I like the idea of the reread suggested somewhere in the beginning of the thread. I could be very fun, especially for those of us who started to read the comic only a year ago and missed the awesome beginning of it. ;D

Second, about Minna's other works.
Those have caused some problems lately, however, I do not see an issue in creating new places for the discussion of those somewhere on the forum. I personally would be very interested in that. As far as moderating and toxicity... I do not understand what is so toxic about Christian-based comics, but I know you guys do and that is totally fine. I just want to say that it's not the fans of those works who feel the toxicity and want to tell about it, it's the opposers of them. For this reason, as long as we have a place for people to vent out, everything should work well. I would very much enjoy discussing the new things Minna creates and it doesn't mean that I will go out and punch people in the face with them. I think we can keep it rather civil.

I don't know if you find me intolerant, but I am still a fan of all what Minna does, unless she goes somewhere where I cannot follow her. That would be sad, but for now she has not lost my respect. This is my point of view and people can think differently, that is okay.

I personally think it would be intolerant to turn away and pretend not to see whatever Minna does next. If we want to show how tolerance is supposed to work we should start actually tolerating things.

I don't exactly have an idea of how new works should be organized and we still don't know what they are going to look like. If it is going to be another lengthier comic, I find it useful to create a special board just for that, like we have for the Rt'sD. Maybe there should be special ways to access that board, there are people who know how to do these things better than me.

I very much enjoy this community and I don't want to lose it. Someone before me said it very well. Characters stay with us and we can continue to love them and add to them in our hearts and minds, even if the story ends. Look at the Lord of the Rings for an example. How long ago did that book come out? In 1954, more than half a century ago and people do not stop to talk about it and love it and have forums about it, and so shall we. We have the strength to get through these difficult times. Hold on, my good friends, we will see the light once again.  :tuuri:

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2021, 10:39:56 AM »
If it is going to be another lengthier comic, I find it useful to create a special board just for that, like we have for the Rt'sD.

I think this is a good idea. Than there would be a board, where people can discuss the new comic. And people like me who fear to be turned into an aggressive misanthropic yelling troll by the discussion, can just avoid it.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2021, 12:00:33 PM »
Oh yeah, I think I get what you're saying. Do you mean there'd be something like a public calendar were people can sign up to create a thread for a certain week?

Rather than this sort of plan working on a strict week-by-week schedule, I think there's a good chance we'll end up having several ongoing webcomics discussions at once. It's actually kind of rare for a webcomic to have a dedicated fanbase/space online, so the outcome of this might be several smaller pockets of the forum discussing any one thing over a pretty long period of time. Some might end up more popular than others, which is alright! This forum should stay somewhat centralized while still promoting the works of (at the moment) smaller authors.

And I think people will also be interested in SSSS for a while yet, maybe writing continuations or something.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2021, 01:10:07 PM »
Oh boy, this thread is growing faster than my ability of keeping up with it! I tried to gleam the main points of each post but please forgive me if I overlook something.

So, I'm going to suggest something tricky that may backfire beautifully because we might lack the numbers to pull it off: Restructure and slightly retarget the focus of the forums.

The idea is to keep the Silent World universe in the spotlight while shining extra light on fan-works, community interests and other media as a way to cultivate engagement in these areas to ultimately keep the community alive. The re-read is a fantastic idea and I'm all of it. The issue is that it's unlikely we'll get more about the cannon world to keep the community going once the re-read is done, and I suspect the end won't deliver answers for the big questions in the story either. There's a promised depth to this universe that will go unfulfilled but by fan works. This is a different situation from epic fiction works (eg Lord of the Rings, Cosmere, Star Wars) which are pretty much expansive sandboxes full of tiny moving parts to play with.

I agree with opening a new forum to her other works though I'm not sure having one for each universe will function well because her complete body of work is still small. It might be better to rely on title conventions for threads (eg [ARTD] Thread title) and open up child boards/categories as needed. Otherwise we might end with fully-fledged categories containing one or two threads. This area wouldn't be a way to segregate the other works or some sort of critic-free place, the idea is to give them space without interfering with the SSSS's section organization since SSSS is arguably her most prominent and fleshed-out work.

A dual-approach to her work might be worth trying: General threads about *untitled new things* then "Critical Analysis:" threads about *thing*. The idea is to have this one thread to critique a work without making the people who liked them to feel unwelcome or wrong in these cases critiques heavily outweighs appreciation. I know about forums that just gave up and forbid negative critiques, but the LP thread makes keeping this side of discussion seem possible for me. This looks like the type of community that can avoid falling into a negative spiral of flat hate and namecalling. It'd be important to enforce the separation of content to keep negativity out of threads where it might snuff out the joy of people wanting to enjoy *thing*, and I understand and am so sorry it might generate extra work for the mod team but I feel it's one of the things that may pay off in the long run.

To lessen the moderation burden it might be helpful to encourage a culture of reporting problematic messages so there's reduced need to actively moderate.

As for the forum structure:


> The Board
(Rules, Announcements, Archive, etc sections)

> The Silent World
--- Stand Still, Stay Silent
General SSSS discussions including re-read and analyses, City of Hunger (as possible sticky thread, not enough content to get own child board)
--- Roleplay Forum
Not sure how many rpg-inclined members we have but this is the type of content that keeps going even after a work is long done
--- Fan Works
Fan fic, poetry, art, maps and what else you can think of!

> Minnaverse
--- A Red Tail's Dream
I'm not sure this will generate enough content in the future to justify having it's own category instead of being a child
--- Other Works
Pre-ARTD and post-SSSS era works discussions
--- Mature Content Board
(HIDDEN; GROUP MEMBERSHIP)

Not sure whether this should remain under the main section or become a child under SSSS

> Community
--- General Discussion
Keep it similar to its current shape but maybe find a way to highlight discussions on hot niche-interest threads like Rocks, Biology, etc
------ Personal  (HIDDEN; POST COUNT)
------ Politics  (HIDDEN; POST COUNT)
--- History and Mythology
Going out on a limb here but these seem interests many of us have in common, with mythology something that drew a lot of people to SSSS in first place
--- Languages Board
--- Entertainment Discussion
Other comics, games, books, TV, etc. Let them shine in their own threads when there's enough content on something to sustain a discussion. I also suggest a sticky dedicated to other works with some aspect that reminds you of SSSS: similar atmosphere, themes, cast dynamic, horror type etc
--- Creative Corner
Art, storytelling, poetry and more. Original works by members, discussions about creative processes, resources. It might be useful to make an exception for NSFW for this section to allow for non-explicit nudity for art topics, hopefully properly tagged


Bear in mind I'm terrible at naming things *glances at own username* and that I certainly don't think this is The Way Things Must Be Done. It's just the sort of structure I see in other forums gravitating around an author's work or specific interest.

The criteria for what gets or not their own categories or child forums is what will potentially generate further positive engagement once SSSS is finished. Everything that gets its own category foments further discussion in that direction, and threads dedicated to a work or aspect of something instead of a single *interest thread* compilation also promote further interaction (eg comic 1, comic 2, comic 3 threads vs Webcomics thread). That's not to say we should get rid of general recommendation threads, just that it'd be useful to create an ambient where getting into more detail without the fear of derailing a thread is a good way to keep a community alive.

Also, imho child boards tend to be overlooked. They're great for content you want to keep sheltered from direct view, otherwise they should be avoided because they don't get enough space and direct links so that has a cooling effect on them. The exception is something like archives or a work of Minna that's done or too short and won't get many active discussions before no matter where it's placed—granted it still generated enough content that keeping just a couple of threads won't do.
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2021, 02:07:10 PM »
Songbird, many of your ideas are great. However we don’t have the manpower for a total overhaul, even if we wanted to have it.

But, I very much like the creative corner boards. Grouping the various fanworks together would make it easier to see! Also the archives for those boards would ideally be grouped, although I don’t really see who would be able to put in all the effort required to go though the existing archives. Also the history and mythology board would seem a good addition, having them visible like that would likely draw in more discussion.

I also like the idea of creating separate threads for chitchat and criticism of various works, but you are right that it requires a lot of moderation. Maybe we could give it a try and put the rule first on those two threads (about whichever work we decide to create them for).
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2021, 03:22:34 PM »
Songbird, I also like many of your ideas, but agree with Jitter that a complete reorganization would probably be too demanding.

My suggestion would be more in a line of continuity, that naturally would be open to more changes in the future. That would allow us to keep most of the current structure, and yet shift the focus. The most evident would be "promoting" the general board "About Anything" to the first position. (note: I don't know how hard it would be to make even those relatively simple changes. Only our Forum staff can aswer that, I suppose)

About Anything
General Discussion Board
Language Board
History and Mythology (new)
Mature Content Board (moved from SSSS to allow content from other sources)

About SSSS
Stand Still Stay Silent
   PerSSSSonas, City of Hunger

About Comics (new)
A Redtail's Dream (moved, since it is, indeed, autonomous from SSSS)
Comic 2 (new)
Comic 3 (new)
... more comics would be added as they were proposed and approved

About the Site
Forum and Website Discussion
   Anonymous Suggestions and Critique
Forum Memories

Fandom Links
Thingies home
SSSS update checker (renamed, previously "Comic update checker", to remain while SSSS has updates)
The Reaction image hoard
SSSS and ARTD voting links (renamed, previously "Comic voting links")*
SSSS Wiki
SSSS subreddit
SSSS on TV Tropes
SSSS Pinterest board
SSSS Fan fiction on ArchiveOfOurOwn (renamed to specify "SSSS")
SSSS Fan fiction on FanFiction.net (renamed to specify "SSSS")
... more links would be added as they were proposed and approved, connecting to new work not-SSSS related

The Stand Still, Stay Silent Fan-Forum - Info Center


* the alternative would to keep the name and go on adding more voting links to other comics

final note: below "About Comics" we could have "About Books", "About Movies" or something else... Let's think about it :)
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2021, 03:30:30 PM »
The idea is to keep the Silent World universe in the spotlight while shining extra light on fan-works, community interests and other media as a way to cultivate engagement in these areas to ultimately keep the community alive. The re-read is a fantastic idea and I'm all of it. The issue is that it's unlikely we'll get more about the cannon world to keep the community going once the re-read is done, and I suspect the end won't deliver answers for the big questions in the story either. There's a promised depth to this universe that will go unfulfilled but by fan works. This is a different situation from epic fiction works (eg Lord of the Rings, Cosmere, Star Wars) which are pretty much expansive sandboxes full of tiny moving parts to play with.

SSSS/the silent world has become a half-decent sandbox, though! It's a good thing that we have some rules to work in, while also having literally nothing to go off of for other regions. This is one part where the actual comic's avoidance of this sort of worldbuilding works to our benefit lol. But it does lack the extensive lore, language, culture, etc... intricacies that those universes have, and it'd be pretty hard to get forum users to agree on it. We could probably keep a worldbuilding discussion going on for quite a while because of that.

Seconding you and Jitter on separating criticism from chitchat. I agree that this forum is probably never going to devolve into name-calling, but it's good to be safe.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2021, 12:54:37 AM »
Annuil, to make myself clear as a non-Christian who was affronted and troubled by LP: it isn’t the Christianity that offends me. There is much good-quality Christian fiction out there, which I am quite happy to read and enjoy, but LP is not part of it. The work looks rushed, badly written and illustrated, and the characters do not realise their potential or come across as anything but cardboard cutout characters with no depth to them, which shows the whole work as a piece of rushed propaganda which does not convey the intended message well.

We know from her other work that Minna can write absorbing plots and well-developed characters, but these are not among them.

However for me the most offensive part was the afterword. I am suspicious of any religion, social movement or political party that claims to have the One True Way, and doubly so when a representative of that organisation tells me that I will burn in their  hell for not immediately submitting to their way.

I am not Christian but have lived with, worked with and married Christians who could behave in a considerate and humane way to those of other faiths. My stepmother was, and my husband is, Christians who express their faith by bearing witness to it in their lives and setting a good example of what their religion can be, rather than by using their faith as a bully pulpit. They are also the kind of Christians who are far more likely to make converts to their faith by their example in life.
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2021, 03:33:48 AM »
It might be that my own habits blind me to important matters, but personally I don't feel there's any rush to re-organise the boards really. The first thing I do when I come here is click "show unread posts since your last visit", which shows me everything that was posted across the forum, and I can pick and choose the conversations I want to read regardless of which part of the forum they're hosted.

Some things that however may need to be discussed sooner rather than later:

- how central do we want to keep Minna's art to the forum? It did bring us here indeed, but personally, the more time goes on and the "situation" doesn't improve, the more I get soured on it. I can imagine a time when it would irk me to even see the SSSS banner and advertisements of her streams etc all over the page. Not yet though - for now, I just know for sure I won't participate in the re-read and I'll most likely not post fan content or look at it for Minna's works anymore either. I wonder if there are other people who feel the same. As of now, I'm definitely only staying here for the interesting people I've met and not for engaging in any way with Minna's creations.

- how do we deal with the fact that we're now a "broken fanbase" - meaning, some of us have very strong but opposing feelings about aspects of Minna's work, which is bound to crop up even in unrelated conversations, as illustrated here by Annuil and Róisín. My concern here is that literally any thread has the potential of getting conflictual by a mere mention of these aspects, because it seems innocent to one party and intolerable to the other. Even if it doesn't "devolve into namecalling" (which is the thing most people focus on when discussing conflicts online, but imo is not the only thing that negatively impacts fandom engagement) it may still make people avoid certain threads when it happens, and generally make things stressful, unless we come to a common agreement on how to minimise this risk.

- how do we want to include new original works in the forum for all of us to engage with - because I don't really think it will survive, at least not without losing a lot more people than have already left, without them.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2021, 08:48:45 AM »
That is a very good point, Róisín. I didn't find the comic hollow, but it was a little too rushed. I was thinking, though, that it was not a good representation of christianity for non-believers (I'm talking about the comic itself, not the notes), because I needed all my christian background to feel for characters. However, some characters have a rather nice inside conflicts, especially for the size of the comic, when you think of it. But you know, views vary and maybe we just see these same characters in a different way, because of our attitude towards them.
As far as author's notes... I think I already talked about this somewhere, but in the author's notes Minna did what a christian would have done - told everyone of what she believes and what will happen if you don't believe, and it should not be taken as an insult, because that is what christianity is teaching. If you are not interested in Christianity, then just don't pay attention to it, religions differ and some may call to join them and some don't. If you are stable at who you are such things should not bother you. I agree to what some people in the LP discussion said about a warning that could be used for the comic, but I think at the beginning of it there's a little note that says roughly "It's about christianity".
Christians in life can be very careful and they often don't go out preaching at everyone they find, but Minna's case is different. Her way to preach what she learned is through her art. That is why, most of her new art is going to involve christianity.
However, I do not agree that we should get away from her art as a central point, Sc0ut. If the front-page of SSSS makes people feel sick of it, they simply won't come to the forum by any means. Why would they, if they don't like it?
And, you know, sometimes it is nice to argue. We have kept this forum rather civil even through this difference of opinion about LP. I think we just need some places for people to argue and some places for other things, where arguing would not be allowed, like we have for the Politics Board.
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2021, 10:54:07 AM »
it should not be taken as an insult, because that is what christianity is teaching.

The fact that some versions of Christianity are teaching it doesn't make it not insulting.

  If you are not interested in Christianity, then just don't pay attention to it


Throughout most of the last two thousand years of history, and continuing into this day, it's been made impossible for us to ignore it; because it becomes forced on us through politics, laws, pogroms, and wars.

There are plenty of versions of Christianity that don't do that. But please don't "just [not] pay attention" to the fact that there are some that do. It's dangerous -- to Christians as well as to others; plenty of Christians have died at the hands of those trying to enforce their exact version of the faith.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2021, 11:15:14 AM »
I want to add to the above post that I think it's been really useful for Christians for whom such phrasing is part of their standard teachings to come into the discussion threads and point out that they've been hearing such things all their lives in contexts in which they're not taken as attacks. But their not being considered attacks in such contexts among other believers doesn't mean they're not going to be taken as such when turned outward; and for Minna's response to such reactions to be in effect (most definitely not direct quotes) not 'I'm sorry you thought I was attacking you, I didn't mean it that way!' but 'Of course I'm right, you only think you're injured because you're wrong!' only adds to the effect.

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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2021, 11:15:57 AM »
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Oh, the idea is not to create work! And I might be underestimating the amount of work involved but the majority would be to move categories up and down the front page and create a few new. I don't think we should make the forum backwards-compatible, going back in time to hunt threads that fit the new categories and move them. If something is moved it'd be only things from merged forums like CoH (2 threads) and maybe threads that fit the new sections (eg webcomics) as they become active and someone requests it.

I think a nice way to lessen the burden for the mods would be make an announcement encouraging people to use the report system to request moving an old thread to a new section. I mean, I'm guessing this reporting system has a box to comment on the request like most do (not sure because I didn't use it yet!). Many forums use this box to their advantage as a way to request things from staff, and the nice aspect of it is that this more laid-back way of moderating substantially lessens the volume of work to maintain the community. As long you have a mature community that knows the rules you can trust them to bring issues and required actions to the staff's attention when needed, lessening the burden of maintaining the community by sharing the housekeeping bit. This require clear instructions in the rules of how to go about reporting though, example: Do not report and post "I'm reporting it!!", or in case of clearly problematic posts only report, don't reply and feed the flame.


It might be that my own habits blind me to important matters, but personally I don't feel there's any rush to re-organise the boards really. The first thing I do when I come here is click "show unread posts since your last visit", which shows me everything that was posted across the forum, and I can pick and choose the conversations I want to read regardless of which part of the forum they're hosted.

Some things that however may need to be discussed sooner rather than later:

- how central do we want to keep Minna's art to the forum? It did bring us here indeed, but personally, the more time goes on and the "situation" doesn't improve, the more I get soured on it. I can imagine a time when it would irk me to even see the SSSS banner and advertisements of her streams etc all over the page. Not yet though - for now, I just know for sure I won't participate in the re-read and I'll most likely not post fan content or look at it for Minna's works anymore either. I wonder if there are other people who feel the same. As of now, I'm definitely only staying here for the interesting people I've met and not for engaging in any way with Minna's creations.

- how do we deal with the fact that we're now a "broken fanbase" - meaning, some of us have very strong but opposing feelings about aspects of Minna's work, which is bound to crop up even in unrelated conversations, as illustrated here by Annuil and Róisín. My concern here is that literally any thread has the potential of getting conflictual by a mere mention of these aspects, because it seems innocent to one party and intolerable to the other. Even if it doesn't "devolve into namecalling" (which is the thing most people focus on when discussing conflicts online, but imo is not the only thing that negatively impacts fandom engagement) it may still make people avoid certain threads when it happens, and generally make things stressful, unless we come to a common agreement on how to minimise this risk.

- how do we want to include new original works in the forum for all of us to engage with - because I don't really think it will survive, at least not without losing a lot more people than have already left, without them.

No hurry yet and that's the good thing about it. It leaves time to really think things through. In fact I think we're getting at the same thing from different frameworks.

Er... I'm one of these people who are naturally inclined to consider all likely outcomes of something and I feel there's a non-null risk of the "broken fanbase" case worsening. Signaling this community welcomes the fandom content yet is also more than this is a way of dealing with it. A future refocus of the forum is a message of commitment to this goal. It has the power of keeping people who are about to leave for seeing no future otherwise.

Because the forum seems to be bleeding members and there are some scenarios where the fanbase will easily fully shatter. For all intents and purposes SSSS is a self-published comic. The author has full control over self-published titles, and whenever one decides to pull a self-published comic no matter how accessible it remains in the shape of backups and everything, the act of removing it—this's a fandom-killer. And while we've examined our relationship to SSSS a lot there's the likely possibility Minna's relationship to it is also souring and that's not even about religion, it's the perceived rejection. That's not to mean she won't finish it or that she'll immediately make it unavailable, it's just that I don't feel this is an unrealistic outcome if things keep going the way they are.

There's also the scenario where the ending feels rushed and unfulfilling; another point of contention on already fragile grounds. Thus preempting bad outcomes, finding a way to solidify the community to withstand their impact if the course of events take these turns does not seem a bad idea. There's nothing to be lost in having a stronger base but there is in being caught unawares.


However, I do not agree that we should get away from her art as a central point, Sc0ut. If the front-page of SSSS makes people feel sick of it, they simply won't come to the forum by any means. Why would they, if they don't like it?

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I feel you are underestimating the level of discomfort and the number of people experiencing it and I mean it in the most respectful way I can. ^^'

I didn't bring it up because I didn't see the point of potentially dampening the enthusiasm of those unaffected by it, but the way LP was handled has been eating away at my enjoyment of SSSS too. I wasn't sure at first how it'd affect how I view SSSS, yet now I do and it's not good. It's a strong reaction. In short I'm hanging there by a thread and that wouldn't be an issue because I'm new here anyway and a single person. It wouldn't be fair to make waves in a stable, long-running community just to make myself comfortable.

However, it turns out I'm not the only one feeling like this. From the those who left to those who are still around but less than enthusiastic the percentage of people negatively affected is not small. Assessing it from a pragmatic, community-survival angle there are choices to be made to keep it alive and overlooking the numbers feeling the push to leave, in my humblest opinion, is not it given how small this community already is at the moment and how it's unlikely to gain high enough numbers through SSSS once it ends to make up for the lost members.

- One of options that might work is to focus it on the community and away from pure canon-SSSS once it ends and grows cold. This is the most widely welcoming option imo. It makes room for both the fandom and the community that spun out of it. The best way to make the transition is to be gradual, making space for the fandom aspects of the fandom and pure user content before the canon-centric content fully fizzles.
- Another option nearly not as accommodating would be a clean break from her work, leaving little to no space for anything other than SSSS.
- Another one would be to pour all focus on her upcoming works—bearing in mind it'd drive many current members away and replace this community with the new disqus community, and this only if they feel like really engaging instead of doing just a drive-by show of support. This is an option, one that may be successful in achieving the objective of keeping the community going though not in the way many hoped or foresaw. It'd be a community, not this community. Still, this is an option.

The only thing I don't see working, and I hope you take it as respectfully as I mean it, is to act as if LP didn't happen and spilled on SSSS and the surrounding community. It did and had a big impact, otherwise this discussion wouldn't be taking place.
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Re: Future of our Fandom
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2021, 11:24:32 AM »
- how central do we want to keep Minna's art to the forum? It did bring us here indeed, but personally, the more time goes on and the "situation" doesn't improve, the more I get soured on it. I can imagine a time when it would irk me to even see the SSSS banner and advertisements of her streams etc all over the page. Not yet though - for now, I just know for sure I won't participate in the re-read and I'll most likely not post fan content or look at it for Minna's works anymore either. I wonder if there are other people who feel the same. As of now, I'm definitely only staying here for the interesting people I've met and not for engaging in any way with Minna's creations.
I'm a bit tired right now so I don't want to write too much, but I just want to say I feel the same way. I don't at all desire to engage with Minna's works any longer in my own time and I keep going back and forth on whether to keep following this forum or just leave it. I've been familiar with this community for half a decade and I want to at least help it move towards the future if I can, but I sometimes worry that it might not be worth the mental toll that all of it is taking.
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