Post by: mithrysc on October 30, 2014, 10:07:04 AM
Please do not post parents, even if they were the original language-learning resources. ;)
From previous threads:
General
Duolingo (https://www.duolingo.com/) (Spanish, Danish, Irish, French, Italian, German, Portuguese, Dutch. Swedish is supposedly releasing today)
Memrise (http://www.memrise.com/) (lots of stuff)
Finnish for Foreigners (http://donnerwetter.kielikeskus.helsinki.fi/FinnishForForeigners/Default-next.htm) (Finnish, duh)
Post by: Nimphy on October 30, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
So, seeing as quite a few of us are trying to learn different languages, we must be learning from somewhere. Any good sites, books, programs, courses, or tips to share? (Preferably include the languages for which the resources are helpful, too.)
Please do not post parents, even if they were the original language-learning resources. ;)
From previous threads:
General
Duolingo (https://www.duolingo.com/) (Spanish, Danish, Irish, French, Italian, German, Portuguese, Dutch. Swedish is supposedly releasing today)
Memrise (http://www.memrise.com/) (lots of stuff)
Finnish for Foreigners (http://donnerwetter.kielikeskus.helsinki.fi/FinnishForForeigners/Default-next.htm) (Finnish, duh)
I think Duolingo is the best out of the bunch, but Memrise is also very good (taught me a few cyrillic characters which I surely won't forget anytime soon). I recently found this thing called FluentU (http://www.fluentu.com) (Chinese, Spanish, French, English, Italian, German, Japanese) which uses videos in foreign languages to teach you that language. It's worth a shot, I think.
Post by: Fen Shen on October 30, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
Post by: woolly socks on October 30, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
I'm reading words in finnish for them every now and then, it's a nice project!
Post by: ruth on October 30, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
Post by: StellersJayC on October 30, 2014, 06:46:01 PM
Then there is my high school German teacher. My school offers Spanish, French, and German. I've been informed by people taking the other languages that the German-learners are the only ones who leave school knowing "any" of the language...
Post by: Eich on November 02, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
So, seeing as quite a few of us are trying to learn different languages, we must be learning from somewhere. Any good sites, books, programs, courses, or tips to share? (Preferably include the languages for which the resources are helpful, too.)I would just like to say, I opened this up in a tab yesterday, and haven't closed out of it yet. I've only looked at it a little bit, but I think I'll keep looking at it, at my own, slow pace.
Please do not post parents, even if they were the original language-learning resources. ;)
Finnish for Foreigners (http://donnerwetter.kielikeskus.helsinki.fi/FinnishForForeigners/Default-next.htm) (Finnish, duh)
Post by: kjeks on November 09, 2014, 09:08:18 AM
[http://ipa.group.shef.ac.uk/symbols.php (http://[http://ipa.group.shef.ac.uk/symbols.php)
For Norwegian I recomend this site provided by the University of Trondheim. It's totally free and the English-Norwegian set up is nice.
http://www.ntnu.edu/now/intro (http://www.ntnu.edu/now/intro)
Post by: Lenny on November 09, 2014, 03:17:14 PM
For Norwegian I recomend this site provided by the University of Trondheim. It's totally free and the English-Norwegian set up is nice.
http://www.ntnu.edu/now/intro (http://www.ntnu.edu/now/intro)
They've also got Memrise lessons set up to do in combination with those lessons - it's pretty good.
Post by: mithrysc on November 09, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
They've also got Memrise lessons set up to do in combination with those lessons - it's pretty good.
I'm trying to work through NoW, and thought those were for the other course by the university, confusingly titled LearnNoW (http://www.ntnu.edu/learnnow) (which is apparently the beginner's course and really confused me for a while) as opposed to NoW. I guess there's an overlap, though.
Post by: Lenny on November 09, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
Post by: Catlet on November 14, 2014, 05:34:51 PM
Post by: mithrysc on November 14, 2014, 05:46:05 PM
Does anyone have any recommendations for free resources to learn Swedish? I've made a start with Babbel, but am not quite prepared to pay for the non-basic lessons!
Well, Duolingo has a Swedish course that's set to go into beta any day now (http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/sv/en/status), if you're willing to wait.
Post by: Solovei on November 14, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
Well, Duolingo has a Swedish course that's set to go into beta any day now (http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/sv/en/status), if you're willing to wait.As far as I can tell that "any day now" is officially scheduled for Monday, November 17th.
Post by: Solovei on November 21, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Can be accessed here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aDkKW8cAS5zUwZA2f2SbETqAJc_WL-muMFkeV06zMDw/pub
Post by: ruth on November 22, 2014, 03:19:23 AM
Post by: kjeks on November 22, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
Not sure if this will be interesting to anyone (as most of the forum is currently learning either Norwegian or German, it seems) but someone on Duolingo put together a MASSIVE list of online resources for learning swedish, from textbooks to video streaming guides to pronunciation charts.
Can be accessed here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aDkKW8cAS5zUwZA2f2SbETqAJc_WL-muMFkeV06zMDw/pub
Awesome. This will help me compare norwegian and swedish grammar :D.
Post by: Lenny on November 27, 2014, 07:19:02 AM
Really, really good source for learning to read hiragana (http://www.tofugu.com/japanese-resources-old/hiragana42/). Seriously. I'd gotten so fed up with things not sticking that I dropped it for a few months (admittedly life had a lot to do with that, too, but learning blocks can kill motivation quite easily), but this... I can remember them all now, and I only spent a few hours on it inbetween classes, over two days. And this page, by Tae Kim, (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/hiragana) is really good for remembering the stroke order in which to write hiragana. That is something with no shortcuts that only practise can make you remember, like learning a piano piece, but that page is a good resource to help. It's got free trace sheets and things, too. And this (http://www.textfugu.com/season-1/hard-way/) is a good learning source, plus a very good companion to the first pdf, as it goes into the pronunciation of the hiragana much more deeply - and explains things like the small tsu.
Post by: StellersJayC on November 27, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
Post by: SinkTheBismarck on November 28, 2014, 01:20:05 PM
Post by: kjeks on November 29, 2014, 06:09:31 PM
I got my little brother to start the German Duolingo course! He's only done the first to lessons in the "basics" category, but he's already picking up on patterns. This is so exciting.
I tested my German skills today. I only reached level nine because of some translation flaws into english as well as some mistakes from the course (though no major ones).
All in all I think the German course, like the others, is pretty good and helpful. Though it's kind of sad, that europeans are not allowed to submit translations of texts, but well, Duolingo is free even for us copyright-addicted human beings.
Turkish is on the brink of launching, I'm so happy about that!
Post by: Nimphy on November 30, 2014, 05:18:23 AM
I tested my German skills today. I only reached level nine because of some translation flaws into english as well as some mistakes from the course (though no major ones).
All in all I think the German course, like the others, is pretty good and helpful. Though it's kind of sad, that europeans are not allowed to submit translations of texts, but well, Duolingo is free even for us copyright-addicted human beings.
Turkish is on the brink of launching, I'm so happy about that!
I tried Italian, but only reached level 10.5, because of the same exact reasons you listed and by dpressing accidentally "enter" before finishing the sentence. But I really like the German course.
I'm curious, how does the German voice in the course sound to you? The Italian one sounded pretty weird and mechanical to me, reading like Google Translate would, more or less.
Post by: kjeks on November 30, 2014, 06:46:37 AM
I tried Italian, but only reached level 10.5, because of the same exact reasons you listed and by dpressing accidentally "enter" before finishing the sentence. But I really like the German course.
I'm curious, how does the German voice in the course sound to you? The Italian one sounded pretty weird and mechanical to me, reading like Google Translate would, more or less.
It is the same with German, Swedish and French, though I think that at those three languages the mechanical voice is rather good if you hear them at regular level. At slow speaking all three are sounding a bit weird but are still very helpfull in hearing differences.
The Gaelic course is my favorite at the moment, because the words and sentences have been spoken in by a real human. Though her voice is very similar to the computer generated one, she has a clear speach and a perfect tune.
Post by: Nimphy on November 30, 2014, 02:10:53 PM
It is the same with German, Swedish and French, though I think that at those three languages the mechanical voice is rather good if you hear them at regular level. At slow speaking all three are sounding a bit weird but are still very helpfull in hearing differences.
The Gaelic course is my favorite at the moment, because the words and sentences have been spoken in by a real human. Though her voice is very similar to the computer generated one, she has a clear speach and a perfect tune.
Yes, I tried it once, without adding it to my actual courses. It looks incredibly pretty! Not just the voice, all the language. Although I don't know if I can add one more language to learn right now... but maybe just as a game.. come on, it's Gaelic! (If it were for me, I'd be taking all of the courses)
I'm very curious as to how the Duolingo crew will handle Russian when it comes out of hatching. After all, it doesn't use the same alphabet we do, does it now? I'm supposing Russian learners will just have a list of the cyrillic characters to select from, but that would be fairly annoying, I think.
Post by: Hrollo on November 30, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
I'm very curious as to how the Duolingo crew will handle Russian when it comes out of hatching. After all, it doesn't use the same alphabet we do, does it now? I'm supposing Russian learners will just have a list of the cyrillic characters to select from, but that would be fairly annoying, I think.
Virtual keyboards (where you actually type and it directly converts what you type) are relatively easy to implement on websites now, actually.
eg (http://winrus.com/keyboard.htm)
Post by: Nimphy on November 30, 2014, 04:21:40 PM
Virtual keyboards (where you actually type and it directly converts what you type) are relatively easy to implement on websites now, actually.
eg (http://winrus.com/keyboard.htm)
OOooooh! :o That's so pretty! I'll be spending the next few minutes goofing around in that site, thanks!
Post by: mithrysc on November 30, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
It is the same with German, Swedish and French, though I think that at those three languages the mechanical voice is rather good if you hear them at regular level. At slow speaking all three are sounding a bit weird but are still very helpfull in hearing differences.
The Gaelic course is my favorite at the moment, because the words and sentences have been spoken in by a real human. Though her voice is very similar to the computer generated one, she has a clear speach and a perfect tune.
Yeah, I'm also doing Gaelic (sort of sporadically), and that's one of the reasons I chose it.
Virtual keyboards (where you actually type and it directly converts what you type) are relatively easy to implement on websites now, actually.
eg (http://winrus.com/keyboard.htm)
Here's some more for different languages. (http://www.typeit.org/)
Post by: Lenny on November 30, 2014, 06:13:32 PM
And oooh, that virtual keyboard site... I'll be off playing with it now, thanks. *disappears*
Post by: mithrysc on December 01, 2014, 08:20:41 AM
I tried the Swedish and managed to get a whole bunch of words right, then promptly failed everything after that.
Post by: kjeks on December 01, 2014, 08:54:10 AM
Just found this, Ba Ba Dum (https://babadum.com). It's a small vocabulary games site (with amazing animations and quirky illustrations) for a bunch of different languages: Spanish, German, French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Greek, Portuguese, and Lithuanian, as well as British English and American English. Not so much for language-learning, but something that looks fun and is language-related.
I tried the Swedish and managed to get a whole bunch of words right, then promptly failed everything after that.
Awesome!!! If Duolingo had a Greek course as well, I'd be adding Greek to my chart.
Post by: Solovei on December 01, 2014, 02:04:17 PM
Just found this, Ba Ba Dum (https://babadum.com). It's a small vocabulary games site (with amazing animations and quirky illustrations) for a bunch of different languages: Spanish, German, French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Greek, Portuguese, and Lithuanian, as well as British English and American English. Not so much for language-learning, but something that looks fun and is language-related.This is so cool! :D Thanks for sharing it! (Also a good way to learn en/ett words in Swedish beyond what Duolingo offers...)
I tried the Swedish and managed to get a whole bunch of words right, then promptly failed everything after that.
(Although I find it a little unfair that they mix nouns and verbs. Because that's harder *whine*)
Post by: curiosity on December 02, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
Just found this, Ba Ba Dum (https://babadum.com). It's a small vocabulary games site (with amazing animations and quirky illustrations) for a bunch of different languages: Spanish, German, French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Greek, Portuguese, and Lithuanian, as well as British English and American English. Not so much for language-learning, but something that looks fun and is language-related.
Wow, thanks! Found myself playing for an hour or so by now. And surprisingly succeeding in Polish, which I have never ever learnt (yup, knowing Ukrainian helps a lot). Thinking of making my friend addicted too...
Post by: Nimphy on December 02, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
Post by: kjeks on December 02, 2014, 11:49:46 AM
http://www2.nordiska.su.se/komloss/index.htm (http://www2.nordiska.su.se/komloss/index.htm)
The don't have many listening exercises though, and the view pronouncation examples are of usefull but not best quality. But it is free and does not require an account of some sorts. Also they have text for practice available.
Post by: kjeks on January 10, 2015, 04:27:28 PM
I did that for a Laptop, setup with Windows 7 at present. So I do not know how to do this for mac, or linux. Those of you using an external keyboard might find easier ways to set this up in a different way.
- Inform yourself were your current keyboard setup is located and how to change it
- Download "Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4" => it states to be built for windows vista, but it works fine on 7 and also on 8 as well
- Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5h5ixlRIAA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5h5ixlRIAA) the last 4 minutes are the more interesting. Anyways watch the whole video before trying out the MKLC
- Set up your own keyboard. I started by going File then chose Load existing Keyboard and then started the work on it. More Details are to be found on the video
Also be carefull about putting keys with combining CTRL+key. You may not want to put the letter å on "a" cause CTRL+a is a very usefull combinition. I chose the rightern "Alt" key for combining it with other keys. Often this is called "AltGr".
which Letters did I add? I have a german QWERTZ-Keyboard layout. and added norwegian and turkish letters to the keyboard. So besides öäü, I am also able to write ??åæœç?ø as well as the big versions.
Have fun by setting up your own keyboard layout :D
Post by: JoB on January 11, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
So I do not know how to do this for mac, or linux.Any unixoid machine (which might include the later MacOSes, as they're BSD based) with a GUI should allow you to use xmodmap (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xmodmap) to do all sorts of strange things to how it interprets keystrokes.
Post by: Eris on February 01, 2015, 02:30:56 PM
It gives me the sadz. :'(
Anyone have any suggestions?
Post by: mithrysc on February 11, 2015, 08:13:51 PM
It's a chrome extension that turns your new browser tabs into flashcards. So if you're patient enough to put in a bunch of vocab, you can study while browsing the web (sort of)!
Post by: AquaAurion on February 11, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
I just did a quick google search for learning Swedish, maybe this could be of use for someone? http://www.lardigsvenska.com/p/resurser.html
It seems to have several dictionaries as well as Swedish courses online, vocabulary lists and spell checks.
Post by: mithrysc on February 11, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
I've been using http://ankisrs.net/ when I'm studying Japanese. It's a flashcard program that has the option of downloading decks made by others or creating your own decks if you prefer that.
I've been
What I really like is that people have already made decks you can use, so you don't have to go through the tedium of entering everything in yourself. (I'm currently trying to go through this Norwegian one (https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1529958967))
Post by: AquaAurion on February 11, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
I've beenusingtrying to use Anki as well. It's just a matter of me remembering to do it...
I can totally relate to this. My Anki usage has its ups and downs ^w^
If you have the app on your phone I can recommend trying to get a few cards done every time you go to the bathroom or ride the bus/train. Eventually you will start pulling out your phone and starting Anki without having to think about it.
Post by: kjeks on February 22, 2015, 04:10:32 PM
Konjugate me yay! (http://www.verbix.com/)
standardlanguages such as french, spanish and norwegian are provided but also rare ones. Have fun with it.
Post by: Synthpopalooza on February 23, 2015, 01:00:46 AM
http://mowicpopolsku.com/
For those who speak either English or German natively.
Maybe it'll do till the Duolingo course comes along.
Post by: kjeks on February 27, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/user/kurd1 (https://www.youtube.com/user/kurd1)
I like that they talk first without any subtitles and give you the important grammar afterwards. Then they repeat some of the scenes before with subs, so you can read along which is really nice. What it lacks is vocabs, yet you may find some of them on the web and some during later lessons.
Post by: Laufey on April 20, 2015, 03:53:30 AM
Icelandic Online is a free Icelandic learning tool and the University of Iceland uses it for introducing people to the basics of the language. For anyone considering learning Icelandic at the uni here you might as well start with this already, studying it through is a requirement for applying. :)
Post by: princeofdoom on April 21, 2015, 09:27:14 PM
I was wondering if similar games are still made and what languages they might be in?
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 10, 2015, 01:50:47 AM
The following are the words that should (in theory) be learned in order to have a working grasp of a language. If you are fluent in languages besides English, it would be really neat if you could translate the words so that way others (myself included) can work on memorizing the vocabulary.
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
be
there is
have
do
create (aka “make”)
cause (aka “make”)
go
say
speak
know
think
want
like
can
need
should
try
feel
work (also as a noun)
learn
understand
get (meaning “obtain”)
use
start
eat
see
write
give
sleep
buy
decide
find
ask
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time)
meet (meaning “meet up with”)
take
Phrases
hello
goodbye
My name is…
“Nice to meet you.”
yes
no
okay
please
thank you
you’re welcome
sorry
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention)
well (as in “Well, I think that…”)
Really?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”)
and
or
but
though
because
therefore
if
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction)
after (also as a conjunction)
of
from
to
in
at (place)
at (time)
with
about
like (meaning “similar to”)
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of)
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot
a little
good / well
bad / badly
more (know how to say “more … than”)
better (often irregular and not just “more good”)
most
enough
right
wrong
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles)
this (also as a noun)
that (also as a noun)
all
some
no
other
any
easy
hard
early
late
important
cool (as in “that’s cool”)
same
different
beautiful
Adverbs
very
too (as in “too much”)
also
only
now
here
maybe
always
often
sometimes
never
today (also as a noun)
yesterday
tomorrow
almost
still
already
even
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing
person
place
everything
something
nothing
time (as in “a long time”)
time (as in “I did it 3 times”)
friend
mother, father, parent
daughter, son, child
wife, husband
girlfriend, boyfriend
breakfast
lunch
dinner
money
day
year
hour
week
country
city
language
word
Internet
house
office
company
Question Words
who
what
where
when
why
how
how much
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I
you
she, he
it
we
you (plural)
they
Let's see what happens!
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on June 10, 2015, 02:17:09 AM
Working on a Spanish translation, watch this space.
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
(I've highlighted irregulars in red)
be- estar/ser (generally temporary/permanent), present= estoy/soy, past= fui/estuve
there is- hay, (no equivalent)
have- tener, present= tengo, past= tuve
do- hacer, present= hago, past= hice
create (aka “make”)- (same as hacer)
cause (aka “make”)- causar, present= causo, past= causé
go- ir, present= voy, past= fui
say- decir, present= digo, past= dije
speak- hablar, present=hablo, past= hablé
know- saber, present= sé, past= supe
think- pensar, present= pienso, past= pensé
want- querer, present= quiero, past= quise
like- gustar, present= gusto (me gusta), past= gusté
can- poder, present= puedo, past= pude
need- necesitar, present= necesito, past= necesité
should- deber, present= debo, past= debí
try- intentar, present= intento, past= intenté
feel- sentir, present= siento, past= sentí
work (also as a noun)- trabajar, present=trabajo, past= trabajé
learn- aprender, present= aprendo, past= aprendí
understand- comprender, present= comprendo, past= comprendí
get (meaning “obtain”)- obtener, present= obtengo, past= obtuve
use
start
eat
see
write
give
sleep
buy
decide
find
ask
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time)
meet (meaning “meet up with”)
take
Phrases
hello
goodbye
My name is…
“Nice to meet you.”
yes
no
okay
please
thank you
you’re welcome
sorry
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention)
well (as in “Well, I think that…”)
Really?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”)
and
or
but
though
because
therefore
if
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction)
after (also as a conjunction)
of
from
to
in
at (place)
at (time)
with
about
like (meaning “similar to”)
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of)
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot
a little
good / well
bad / badly
more (know how to say “more … than”)
better (often irregular and not just “more good”)
most
enough
right
wrong
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles)
this (also as a noun)
that (also as a noun)
all
some
no
other
any
easy
hard
early
late
important
cool (as in “that’s cool”)
same
different
beautiful
Adverbs
very
too (as in “too much”)
also
only
now
here
maybe
always
often
sometimes
never
today (also as a noun)
yesterday
tomorrow
almost
still
already
even
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing
person
place
everything
something
nothing
time (as in “a long time”)
time (as in “I did it 3 times”)
friend
mother, father, parent
daughter, son, child
wife, husband
girlfriend, boyfriend
breakfast
lunch
dinner
money
day
year
hour
week
country
city
language
word
Internet
house
office
company
Question Words
who
what
where
when
why
how
how much
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I
you
she, he
it
we
you (plural)
they
Post by: Pessi on June 10, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
be olla: olen; olin; olen ollut; olin ollut
there is olla: on; oli; on ollut; oli ollut
have omistaa: omistan; omistin; olen omistanut; olin omistanut
do tehdä: teen; tein; olen tehnyt; olin tehnyt
create (aka “make”) tehdä: same as above
cause (aka “make”) aiheuttaa: aiheutan; aiheutin; olen aiheuttanut; olin aiheuttanut
go mennä: menen; menin; olen mennyt; olin mennyt
say sanoa: sanon; sanoin; olen sanonut; olin sanonut
speak puhua: puhun; puhuin; olen puhunut; olin puhunut
know tietää: tiedän; tiesin; olen tietänyt; olin tietänyt
think ajatella: ajattelen; ajattelin; olen ajatellut; olin ajatellut
want haluta: halauan; halusin; olen halunnut; olin halunnut
like pitää: pidän; pidin; olen pitänyt; olin pitänyt
can osata/voida: osaan/voin; osasin/voin; olen osannut/voinut; olin osannut/voinut
need tarvita: tarvitsen; tarvitsin; olen tarvinnut; olin tarvinnut
should pitää: minun pitää; minun piti; minun on pitänyt; minun oli pitänyt
try yrittää: yritän; yritin; olen yrittänyt; olin yrittänyt
feel tuntea: tunnen; tunsin; olen tuntenut; olin tuntenut
work (also as a noun) työskennellä: työskentelen; työskentelin; olen työskennellyt; olin työskennellyt (noun: työ)
learn oppia: opin; opin; olen oppinut; olin oppinut
understand ymmärtää: ymmärrän; ymmärsin; olen ymmärtänyt; olin ymmärtänyt
get (meaning “obtain”) saada: saan; sain; olen saanut; olin saanut
use käyttää: käytän; käytin; olen käyttänyt; olin käyttänyt
start aloittaa: aloitan; aloitin; olen aloittanut; olin aloittanut
eat syödä: syön; söin; olen syönyt; olin syönyt
see nähdä: näen; näin; olen nähnyt; olin nähnyt
write kirjoittaa. kirjoitan; kirjoitin; olen kirjoittanut; olin kirjoittanut
give antaa: annan; annoin; olen antanut; olin antanut
sleep nukkua: nukun; nukuin; olen nukkunut; olin nukkunut
buy ostaa: ostan; ostin; olen ostanut; olin ostanut
decide päättää: päätän; päätin; olen päättänyt; olin päättänyt
find löytää: löydän; löysin; olen löytänyt; olin löytänyt
ask kysyä: kysyn; kysyin; olen kysynyt; olin kysynyt
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time) tavata: tapaan, tapasin; olen tavannut; olin tavannut
meet (meaning “meet up with”) tavata: tapaan, tapasin; olen tavannut; olin tavannut
take ottaa: otan; otin; olen ottanut; olin ottanut
Phrases
hello hei/terve
goodbye näkemiin/hei hei
My name is… Nimeni on...
“Nice to meet you.” Hauska tutustua (literally "nice to get to know you")
yes kyllä
no ei
okay sopii/selvä/okei
please ole kiltti (literally "be kind"; you can also use conditional modus of the appropriate verb)
thank you kiitos
you’re welcome ole hyvä (literally "be good")
sorry anteeksi
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention) anteeksi
well (as in “Well, I think that…”) niin/no niin
Really? Todellako?/Niinkö?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”) että (the first example), joka (the second example)
and ja
or tai
but mutta
though vaikka
because koska/siksi että
therefore sen takia
if jos
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction) ennen (edessä)
after (also as a conjunction) jälkeen
of -n
from -sta/-stä
to -Vn (V marks the elongation of the preceding vowel) or -hVn (V marks the repetition of the preceding vowel). These are singular, the plural is a bit more complicated.
in -ssa/-ssä
at (place) -ssa/-ssä or -lla/-llä
at (time) -lla/-llä (example: seasons: "kesällä, talvella...") or -ssa/-ssä (example: months: "toukokuussa, kesäkuussa...") -lta/-ltä (exaple: hours: "kolmelta, neljältä...")
with kanssa / -ne
about -sta/-stä
like (meaning “similar to”) niin kuin
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of) varten (for me = minua varten)
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot runsas; paljon
a little vähäinen; vähän
good / well hyvä / hyvin
bad / badly huono / huonosti
more (know how to say “more … than”) enemmän (enemmän ... kuin)
better (often irregular and not just “more good”) parempi / paremmin
most eniten
enough tarpeeksi
right oikein
wrong väärin
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles) There are no articles in Finnish
this (also as a noun) tämä
that (also as a noun) tuo
all kaikki
some jotkut
no ei
other toinen
any mikään / yhtään
easy helppo; helppoa
hard vaikea; vaikeaa
early varhainen; varhaista
late myöhäinen; myöhäistä
important tärkeä; tärkeää
cool (as in “that’s cool”) siisti; siistiä (you can say "cool" too, everyone understands it since it's a common loan word)
same samanlainen; sama
different erilainen; eri
beautiful kaunis
Adverbs
very erittäin
too (as in “too much”) liikaa; liian
also myös
only vain
now nyt
here tässä/täällä
maybe ehkä
always aina
often usein
sometimes joskus
never ei koskaan/ei ikinä
today (also as a noun) tänään (tämä päivä)
yesterday eilen (eilinen)
tomorrow huomenna (huominen)
almost melkein
still silti/edelleen
already jo
even jopa
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing asia (abstract), Esine/tavara (concrete)
person henkilö
place paikka
everything kaikki
something jokin/jotain
nothing ei mikään/ei mitään
time (as in “a long time”) aika (kauan aikaa)
time (as in “I did it 3 times”) kerta
friend ystävä
mother, father, parent äiti, isä, vanhempi
daughter, son, child tytär, poika, lapsi
wife, husband vaimo, (avio)mies
girlfriend, boyfriend tyttöystävä, poikaystävä
breakfast aamiainen/aamupala
lunch lounas
dinner päivällinen
money raha (originally the word meant a squirrel pelt)
day päivä
year vuosi
hour tunti
week viikko
country maa
city kaupunki
language kieli
word sana
Internet Internet (you can also say netti or even verkko)
house talo
office toimisto
company yritys/yhtiö
Question Words
who kuka
what mikä/mitä
where missä/minne
when milloin
why miksi
how miten
how much kuinka paljon
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I minä; minua; minulle; minun
you sinä; sinua; sinulle; sinun
she, he hän; häntä; hänelle; hänen
it se, sitä; sille; sen
we me; meitä; meille; meidän
you (plural) te; teitä; teille; teidän
they he; heitä; heille; heidän
Post by: Nimphy on June 10, 2015, 06:38:30 AM
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
be = essere, io sono, io ero, io sono stato
there is = esserci (ci sono, c'ero, ci sono stato - in the third person it becomes c'è c'era c'è stato)
have = avere - ho, avevo, ho avuto
do = fare - faccio, facevo, ho fatto
create (aka “make”)
cause (aka “make”)
go = andare - vado, andavo, sono andato
say = dire - dico, dicevo, ho detto
speak = parlare - parlo parlavo ho parlato
know = sapere/conoscere - so, sapevo, ho saputo; conosco, conoscere, ho conosciuto
think = pensare -
want
like
can
need
should
try
feel
work (also as a noun)
learn
understand
get (meaning “obtain”)
use
start
eat
see
write
give
sleep
buy
decide
find
ask
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time)
meet (meaning “meet up with”)
take
Phrases
hello - ciao, buongiorno, salve (least to most formal)
goodbye - ciao, arrivederci
My name is… - mi chiamo/sono
“Nice to meet you.” - Piacere di conoscerti (mostly just "piacere")
yes - sí
no - no
okay - okay
please - per favore/per piacere
thank you - grazie
you’re welcome - prego
sorry - scusa/scusi (ltmf)
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention) - scusa/scusi (ltmf)
well (as in “Well, I think that…”) - Bè...
Really? - davvero? Sul serio?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”) - che
and - e
or - o
but - ma/però
though - però
because - perchè
therefore - quindi
if - se
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction) - prima
after (also as a conjunction) - dopo (quindi)
of - di
from - da
to - a
in - in
at (place) - a
at (time) - a
with - con
about - a proposito di
like (meaning “similar to”) - come
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of) - per, mostly
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot - un sacco
a little - un po'
good / well - bene
bad / badly - male
more (know how to say “more … than”) - più (più... Di)
better (often irregular and not just “more good”) - meglio/migliore (not interchangeable!)
most - il più/la più... (When adjective); la maggior parte di (when "most... In a group)
enough - basta (Enough!, but also "it it enough"), abbastanza (only second)
right - giusto
wrong - sbagliato
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles) - il/lo/la/l'; un, uno, una, un'
this (also as a noun) - questo
that (also as a noun) - quello
all - tutto
some
no
other
any
easy
hard
early
late
important
cool (as in “that’s cool”)
same
different
beautiful
Adverbs
very
too (as in “too much”)
also
only
now
here
maybe
always
often
sometimes
never
today (also as a noun)
yesterday
tomorrow
almost
still
already
even
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing - la cosa
person - la persona
place - il posto
everything - il tutto
something - il qualcosa
nothing - il niente/il nulla
time (as in “a long time”) - il tempo
time (as in “I did it 3 times”) - la volta
friend - l'amico (il amico)
mother - la madre
father - il padre
parent - il genitore
daughter - la figlia
son - il figlio
child - il bambino
wife - la moglie
Husband - il marito
girlfriend - la ragazza/fidanzata
Boyfriend - il ragazzo/fidanzato
breakfast - la colazione
lunch - il pranzo
dinner - la cena
money - il denaro/i soldi
day - il giorno
year - l'anno (il anno)
hour - l'ora (la ora)
week - la settimana
country - il paese/la campagna (sorta different)
city - la città
language - la lingua
word - la parola
Internet - l'Internet (il Internet)
house - la casa
office - l'ufficio (il ufficio)
company - la compagnia
Question Words
who - chi
what - che, cosa, che cosa
where - dove
when - quando
why - perchè
how - come
how much - quanto
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I - io, mi, mi (a me), mio
you - tu, ti, ti (a te), tuo
she - lei/ella, le, le, suo
he - lui/egli, gli, gli, suo
it - esso/essa (Italian differentiates it between feminine and masculine), see above.
we - noi,
you (plural) - voi, vi, vi
they
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 10, 2015, 06:56:41 AM
I recently read of a different way to learn a new language, one in which you learn about 200 specific words and use them daily, preferably through keeping a diary. I'd like to see if it actually works.
The following are the words that should (in theory) be learned in order to have a working grasp of a language. If you are fluent in languages besides English, it would be really neat if you could translate the words so that way others (myself included) can work on memorizing the vocabulary.
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
be
there is
have
do
create (aka “make”)
cause (aka “make”)
go
say
speak
know
think
want
like
can
need
should
try
feel
work (also as a noun)
learn
understand
get (meaning “obtain”)
use
start
eat
see
write
give
sleep
buy
decide
find
ask
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time)
meet (meaning “meet up with”)
take
Phrases
hello
goodbye
My name is…
“Nice to meet you.”
yes
no
okay
please
thank you
you’re welcome
sorry
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention)
well (as in “Well, I think that…”)
Really?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”)
and
or
but
though
because
therefore
if
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction)
after (also as a conjunction)
of
from
to
in
at (place)
at (time)
with
about
like (meaning “similar to”)
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of)
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot
a little
good / well
bad / badly
more (know how to say “more … than”)
better (often irregular and not just “more good”)
most
enough
right
wrong
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles)
this (also as a noun)
that (also as a noun)
all
some
no
other
any
easy
hard
early
late
important
cool (as in “that’s cool”)
same
different
beautiful
Adverbs
very
too (as in “too much”)
also
only
now
here
maybe
always
often
sometimes
never
today (also as a noun)
yesterday
tomorrow
almost
still
already
even
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing
person
place
everything
something
nothing
time (as in “a long time”)
time (as in “I did it 3 times”)
friend
mother, father, parent
daughter, son, child
wife, husband
girlfriend, boyfriend
breakfast
lunch
dinner
money
day
year
hour
week
country
city
language
word
Internet
house
office
company
Question Words
who
what
where
when
why
how
how much
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I
you
she, he
it
we
you (plural)
they
Let's see what happens!
Someone does this to all nordic languages, especially icelandic, we all need icelandic xD I should get a new notebook for icelandic, i didn't open it yet, only finnish, swedish and norwegian I have yet.... hmm...
I saw someone did finnish *gets his finnish book and writes all down*
this seems really accurate, I learnt english in school, but we learnt many words I have never used, mostly the most-used-words I remembered after finishing school, when I started using english regularly, I learnt more words by reading, and this is how my english improved, literally only by learning the most used words, my english still sucks, because I barely use words, but people can understand why I want to say. as my teacher said, this is the most important when I talk in a language.
Post by: viola on June 10, 2015, 07:36:17 AM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 10, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
Ok so before I start I have a question: When writing out the I conjugations for the verbs do you want just the "I am" and "I was" for indicative or do you also want the subjunctive forms and do you want the "I am being" and "I was being" forms as well?
if it is important? (
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 10, 2015, 07:45:35 AM
Ok so before I start I have a question: When writing out the I conjugations for the verbs do you want just the "I am" and "I was" for indicative or do you also want the subjunctive forms and do you want the "I am being" and "I was being" forms as well?I think that just indicative will be sufficient, but if you want to add subjunctive, don't let me stop you! Just indicate
Post by: viola on June 10, 2015, 07:58:57 AM
I think that just indicative will be sufficient, but if you want to add subjunctive, don't let me stop you! Just indicatesee what I did therethat it's in the subjunctive. :)
Ok I think I'll start with Icelandic and then if no one's done French by then I can do that as well.
Post by: Solovei on June 10, 2015, 12:28:43 PM
Also, maybe we could set up a google doc for this? (or maybe a spreadsheet even?) Seems easier than managing a bunch of forum posts that people will be continually editing...
Post by: Eriaror on June 10, 2015, 02:18:18 PM
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
In Present tense there are two ways to conjugate verbs in Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_verbs#Present) an indefinite and a definite conjugation, I'm giving both like this: indefinite/definite.
be - van past: volt, future: lesz (vagyok, voltam, leszek)
there is - (ott) van
have - no verb for have in Hungarian, we use (nekem) van [≈belonging to me there is ...] Eg. I have a car. = Van egy kocsim
do - tesz, past: tett (teszek/teszem, tettem) or csinál (csinálok/csinálom, csináltam)
create (aka “make”) - csinál or készít [on the line of "craft"] (készítek/készítem, készítettem)
cause (aka “make”) - okoz (okozok/okozom, okoztam)
go - megy, past: ment (megyek, mentem)
say - mond (mondok/mondom, mondtam)
speak - beszél (beszélek, beszéltem)
know - tud (tudok/tudom, tudtam)
think - gondol (gondolok/gondolom, gondoltam)
want - akar (akarok/akarom, akartam)
like - We mostly use szeret (szeretek/szeretem, szerettem) to express that we like something or like to do something, but if you use szeret to say that you like a person you'll say you love them! (Szeretlek = I love you, in the romantic way) To express you like them, use kedvel (kedvelem, kedveltem) (I like you = Kedvellek (téged))
can - tud (mostly for skills, eg. ride a bike, cook, program computer programs, etc); there is also the suffix -hat/-het, but I'll have to think more to explain that accurately :D
need - kell/kellene (I need a pencil = Kell/kellene nekem egy ceruza [with kell you really need that pencil, with kellene it's not that urgent or important]
should - kell/kellene
try - próbál or próbálkozik (try something = megpróbál valamit) (próbálok/próbálom, próbáltam)
feel - érez (érzek/érzem, éreztem)
work (also as a noun) - dolgozik (dolgozok/dolgozom valamin, dolgoztam) Noun: munka
learn - tanul (tanulok/tanulom, tanultam)
understand - ért (értek [almost only used in értek valamihez = I'm adept in something]/értem, értettem)
get (meaning “obtain”) - szerez (szerzek, szereztem) or megszerez (obtain something definite)
use - használ (használok/használom, használtam)
start - elkezd (elkezdek/elkezdem, elkezdtem) BUT start eg. an engine - (be)indít (indítok/indítom, indítottam)
eat - eszik, past: evett (eszem [this is the grammatically correct conjugation, but you'll probably hear eszek as well, because this so-called -ik-y conjugation is slowly fading away]/eszem, ettem)
see - lát (látok/látom, láttam)
write - ír (írok/írom, írtam)
give - ad (adok/adom, adtam)
sleep - alszik (alszom, aludtam)
buy - vesz (veszek, vettem) (buy something definite = megvesz valamit or, more rarely megvásárol valamit)
decide - dönt (döntök, döntöttem) (decide something definite = eldönt valamit)
find - talál (találok, találtam) (find something definite = megtalál (megtalálok/megtalálom, megtaláltam)
ask - kérdez (kérdezek/kérdezem, kérdeztem)
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time) találkozik (találkozom [you may also hear találkozok, same reason as with eszem]/találkozom, találkoztam)
meet (meaning “meet up with”) találkozik
take - visz (viszek/viszem, vittem) (take someone/something definite to somewhere = elvisz valakit/valamit valahová)
Phrases
hello - helló, szia, jó reggelt/napot/estét
goodbye - szia, viszontlátásra (formal, viszlát in speech and less formal
My name is… - A nevem ...
“Nice to meet you.” - Örülök a találkozásnak (this is rather formal, I can't think of a not formal one right now, because we don't really say "Nice to meet you" there)
yes - igen
no - nem
okay - oké or rendben
please - kérem(formal)/ kérlek (not formal and also can be stronger, almost "I'm begging you") or légy szíves (not formal, =be kind) / legyen szíves (formal, =be kind) You can use conditional as well for being polite, as it has been explained for Finnish already.
thank you - köszönöm or kösz (in less formal writing and informal speech)
you’re welcome - szívesen
sorry - bocsánat or elnézést
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention) elnézést (bocsánat as well, but more rarely)
well (as in “Well, I think that…”) - nos
Really? - Tényleg?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…”) - hogy (you always(?) put a comma before it: "Azt gondolom, hogy ...")
that (as in or “the woman that…”) - aki/ami/ahol/etc. You take the question word you'd use to question that part of the sentence, put an "a" at the start of it and you have your conjunction word.
and - és
or - vagy
but - de
though - viszont, ennek ellenére
because - mert
therefore - ezért
if - ha
before - mielőtt or azelőtt (not 100% sure with this)
after - miután or azután (not 100% sure with this either)
Prepositions
Like Finnish, we also have a metric crapton of suffixes, and yes, vowel harmony, too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_harmony#Hungarian).
What's not a suffix is not a preposition, but a postposition: after the match = a meccs után
before - előtt
after - után
of - This is a hard one... dictionary says (http://szotar.sztaki.hu/en/search?fromlang=eng&tolang=hun&searchWord=of&langcode=hu&u=0&langprefix=&searchMode=WORD_PREFIX&viewMode=full&ignoreAccents=1) it's -ból/-ből, but there are more exceptions to this than occurrences when it's true.
from - -tól/-től
to - -nak/-nek
in -ban/-ben (when it's already in that place, into is -ba/-be)
in <place name> -on/-en-/-ön (eg. Budapesten, Szegeden, Magyarországon) or -ban/-ben (Debrecenben, Svédországban, Finnországban)
at (place) - -nál/-nél (not 100% sure, dictionary says this)
at (time) - -kor
with - -val/-vel This suffix is rather tricky, because the v assimilates (*hopes he uses correct linguistical terminology*) to the word it connects to when it ends with a consonant, eg. with Péter = Péterrel (not
about - -ról/-ről
like (meaning “similar to”) - olyan, mint ...
for - Oh, boy. Dictionary says all sorts of things and it's right. According to it, for can be -nak/-nek, -ért, -ra/-re, képest, helyett, -ig and some other things depending on what you're saying... maybe you get it better from some examples:
I wash up for Anna - Elmosogatok Annának (lit. WashupI AnnaFor)
We fight for the homeland! - A hazáért harcolunk! (lit. The homelandFor fightWe!)
For three days - Három napra or három napig (there is a nuance difference between the true, but both are lit. Three dayFor)
Other specific translations here (http://szotar.sztaki.hu/en/search?fromlang=eng&tolang=hun&searchWord=for&langcode=en&u=0&langprefix=en%2F&searchMode=WORD_PREFIX&viewMode=full&ignoreAccents=0)
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot - sok / sokat
a little - kevés / keveset
good / well - jó / jól
bad / badly - rossz / rosszul
more (know how to say “more … than”) több (több ... , mint but rather ... than is inkább ... , mint )
better (often irregular and not just “more good”) - jobb / jobban
most - legtöbb / legtöbbet
enough - elég / eleget
right - helyes (or jó) / helyesen
wrong - hibás (or rossz) / hibásan
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles) - Defnite article: a when the following word starts with a consonant, az when it starts with a vowel (a hajó, a szék, az alma, az idő)
this (also as a noun) - ez
that (also as a noun) - az
all - mind / minden / mindegyik (not the same, which to use depends on things...)
some - néhány / valahány / valamennyi
no - semmi / semmiféle / semmilyen (not sure if I got this one right)
other - más (but, the other one = a másik)
any - bármilyen
easy - könnyű / könnyen
hard - nehéz / nehezen
early - korai / korán
late - késő / későn
important - fontos
cool (as in “that’s cool”) - menő (cool is kinda a loanword here, too, so it will also be understood)
same - ugyanolyan (the same thing = ugyanaz)
different - különböző
beautiful - szép or gyönyörű (latter is the stronger one)
Adverbs
very - nagyon
too (as in “too much”) - túl (too much = túl sok)
also - is
only - csak
now - most
here - itt
maybe - talán
always - mindig
often - gyakran
sometimes - néha
never - soha
today (also as a noun) - ma (not used as a noun we say something like a mai nap (≈the day that is today))
yesterday - tegnap (the day before yesterday = tegnapelőtt)
tomorrow - holnap (the day after tomorrow = holnapután)
almost - majdnem
still - még mindig (not sure in this, it's lit. even now)
already - már
even - még
Nouns
No noun genders! \o/
thing - dolog (mostly abstract but can be used for physical stuff, too), tárgy (only for physical non-living stuff. You usually refer to things that you can pick up, hold in your hands (because they are not too big for that) and use for something or just have them)
person - személy or fő
place - hely
everything - minden
something - valami
nothing - semmi
time (as in “a long time”) - idő
time (as in “I did it 3 times”) - -szor/-ször (I did it 3 times = Háromszor csináltam meg. Lit: ThreeTimes didThatI)
friend - barát
mother, father, parent - anya, apa, szülő
daughter, son, child - lány, fiú, gyermek There is some not-ordinary stuff with this, refer to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language#Kinship_terms)
wife, husband - feleség, férj
girlfriend, boyfriend - barátnő, more variations for boyfriend. Again, see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language#Kinship_terms).
breakfast - reggeli
lunch - ebéd
dinner - vacsora
money - pénz
day - nap
year - év
hour - óra
week - hét
country - ország
city - város
language - nyelv
word - szó
Internet - internet or just net
house - ház
office - iroda
company - cég
Question Words
who - ki (when the whole sentence is only Who? it can be Kicsoda? as well)
what - mi (can be Micsoda? under the same circumstances)
where - hol (from where = honnan, to where = hová)
when - mikor
why - miért
how - hogy (or hogyan)
how much - mennyi (How much does it cost? = Mennyibe kerül?)
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I = én (engem, nekem, enyém)
you = te (téged, neked, tiéd)
she, he, it = ő (őt, neki, övé)
we = mi (minket, nekünk, miénk)
you (plural) = ti (titeket, nektek, tiétek)
they = ők (őket, nekik, övék)
Notes:
- I'm probably someone who is the least qualified to teach Hungarian (/me is now sad for absolutely not paying attention in Grammar class), so the translations above might be wrong or be explained in a wrong way.
- If you have questions, I'm usually on the chat, you can ask there. I may not be able to explain things and give a reason, but only know it's right by instinct.
- I feel that the Wikipedia article on Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language) sums the language up about well. You can read it if you want
to be terrified. - However, you don't have to be terrified (http://www.fluentin3months.com/hungarian-is-easy/). Hungarian is a language that you have to try, use, try, use, use, and constantly fail at again and again to actually learn it well.
- And you really shouldn't be scared about failing, most of us Hungarians are amused by a foreigner who
for some weird, reckless reasonwants to learn our language, and always listen to them and help them out, even if they make silly mistakes. Because you can't not make silly mistakes when you try to take up Hungarian. - We usually don't even switch to English if what you're trying to say is comprehensible (but has errors), but let you
struggletry as long as you want(until you become tired and you switch to English).
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 10, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
Also, maybe we could set up a google doc for this? (or maybe a spreadsheet even?) Seems easier than managing a bunch of forum posts that people will be continually editing...Good idea! I'll see about setting that up this weekend.
Post by: Nimphy on June 10, 2015, 02:29:19 PM
This is a neat idea! I could try it doing it in Russian and Swedish :3 which one would people like?
Also, maybe we could set up a google doc for this? (or maybe a spreadsheet even?) Seems easier than managing a bunch of forum posts that people will be continually editing...
BOTH!
Post by: Viisikielinenkantele on June 10, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Verbs
The infinitive form of these verbs and their present and past tense “I” conjugations.
I added the past perfect tense because in southern Germany you will get weird looks if you try to talk in simple past tense
be sein; ich bin, ich war, ich bin gewesen
there is da ist; da war, da ist gewesen
have haben; ich habe, ich hatte, ich habe gehabt
do machen, tun; ich mache/tue, ich machte/tat, ich habe gemacht/habe getan
create (aka “make”) herstellen, erzeugen; ich stelle her/Ich erzeuge, ich stellte her/ich erzeugte, ich habe hergestellt/Ich habe erzeugt
cause (aka “make”) verursachen; ich verursache, ich verursachte, ich habe verursacht
go gehen; ich gehe, ich ging, ich bin gegangen
say sagen; ich sage, ich sagte, ich habe gesagt
speak sprechen; ich spreche, ich sprach, ich habe gesprochen
know wissen; ich weiß, ich wusste, ich habe gewusst
think denken; ich denke, ich dachte, ich habe gedacht
want wollen; ich will, ich wollte, ich habe gewollt
like mögen; ich mag, ich mochte, ich habe gemocht
can können; ich kann, ich konnte, ich habe gekonnt
need brauchen; ich brauche, ich brauchte, ich habe gebraucht
should sollen; ich soll, ich sollte, ich habe gesollt
try versuchen; ich versuche, ich versuchte, ich habe versucht
feel fühlen; ich fühle, ich fühlte, ich habe gefühlt
work (also as a noun) arbeiten; ich arbeite, ich arbeitete, ich habe gearbeitet; die Arbeit
learn lernen; ich lerne, ich lernte, ich habe gelernt
understand verstehen; ich verstehe, ich verstand, ich habe verstanden
get (meaning “obtain”) kriegen, bekommen; ich kriege/bekomme, ich kriegte/bekam, ich habe gekriegt/habe bekommen
use verwenden; ich verwende, ich verwendete/verwandt, ich habe verwendet/verwandt
start beginnen; ich beginne, ich begann, ich habe begonnen
eat essen; ich esse, ich aß, ich habe gegessen
see sehen; ich sehe, ich sah, ich habe gesehen
write schreiben; ich schreibe, ich schrieb, ich habe geschrieben
give geben; ich gebe, ich gab, ich habe gegeben
sleep schlafen; ich schlafe, ich schlief, ich habe geschlafen
buy kaufen; ich kaufe, ich kaufte, ich habe gekauft
decide entscheiden; ich entscheide, ich entschied, ich habe entschieden
find finden; ich finde, ich fand, ich habe gefunden
ask fragen; ich frage, ich fragte, ich habe gefragt
meet (meaning to meet someone for the first time) kennenlernen; ich lerne kennen, ich lernte kennen, ich habe kennengelernt
meet (meaning “meet up with”) treffen; ich treffe, ich traf, ich habe getroffen
take nehmen; ich nehme, ich nahm ich habe genommen
Phrases
hello hallo
goodbye Auf Wiedersehen (formal), Tschüß, Servus (informal, depends where you live)
My name is… Mein Name ist..., Ich heiße
“Nice to meet you.” Schön, Dich zu sehen
yes ja
no nein
okay okay, in Ordnung
please bitte
thank you danke
you’re welcome bitte
sorry Entschuldigung
excuse me (to catch someone’s attention) Entschuldigung, bitte/entschuldigen Sie bitte
well (as in “Well, I think that…”) Also
Really? Wirklich? Tatsächlich?
Conjunctions
that (as in “I think that…” or “the woman that…”) dass (ich denke, dass)/die, der, das (die Frau, die/der Mann, der/das Kind, das) (difficult to translate, because it is gendered in german)
and und
or oder
but aber
though obwohl
because weil
therefore deswegen
if wenn
Prepositions
before (also as a conjunction) vor
after (also as a conjunction) nach
of von
from von
to nach
in in
at (place) bei, in, auf
at (time) um
with mit
about über/ungefähr
like (meaning “similar to”) wie
for (warning, this one has several meanings that you need to take care of) für, seit, denn, weil
Adjectives and adverbs
Both the adjective and adverb forms of these words.
a lot viel
a little wenig
good / well gut
bad / badly schlecht
more (know how to say “more … than”) mehr...als
better (often irregular and not just “more good”) besser
most am meisten, der/die/das meiste
enough genug
right richtig
wrong falsch
Adjectives
the, a (technically articles) der/die/das, ein/eine/ein
this (also as a noun) dieser/diese/dieses
that (also as a noun) jener/jene/jenes
all alles/alle
some manches/manche
no kein/keine
other anderes/anderen
any irgendein, jeder/jede
easy leicht
hard schwer
early früh
late spät
important wichtig
cool (as in “that’s cool”) toll
same gleich
different unterschiedlich/verschieden
beautiful schön/wunderbar
Adverbs
very sehr
too (as in “too much”) zu
also auch
only nur
now jetzt
here hier
maybe vielleicht
always immer
often oft
sometimes manchmal
never nie
today (also as a noun) heute
yesterday gestern
tomorrow morgen
almost beinahe
still noch
already schon
even sogar
Nouns
If your language has grammatical gender, then each noun as “the [noun]” with “the” in the correct gender. (e.g. in Spanish, instead of language = “idioma”, language = “el idioma”.)
thing das Ding
person die Person
place der Platz, der Ort
everything Alles
something Etwas
nothing Nichts
time (as in “a long time”) die Zeit
time (as in “I did it 3 times”) -mal (z. B. dreimal)
friend der Freund/die Freundin
mother, father, parent die Mutter, der Vater, die Eltern/das Elternteil
daughter, son, child die Tochter, der Sohn, das Kind
wife, husband die Frau/Ehefrau, der Mann/Ehemann
girlfriend, boyfriend die Freundin/Lebensgefährtin, der Freund/Lebensgefährte
breakfast das Frühstück
lunch das Mittagessen
dinner das Abendessen
money das Geld
day der Tag
year das Jahr
hour die Stunde
week die Woche
country das Land
city die Stadt
language die Sprache
word das Wort
Internet das Internet
house das Haus
office das Büro
company die Firma
Question Words
who Wer
what Was
where Wo
when Wann
why Warum
how Wie
how much Wieviel
Pronouns
In the subject (“I”), direct object (“me”), indirect object (“to me”), and possessive (“my”) forms.
I Ich, (meiner,) mir, mich; mein
you Du, (deiner,) dir, dich; dein/Sie, Ihrer, Ihnen, Sie, Ihr
she, he sie, (ihrer,) ihr, sie er, seiner, ihm, ihn
it es, (seiner), ihm, es, sein
we wir, (unser,) uns, uns, unser
you (plural) ihr, (euer,) euch, euch, euer
they sie, (ihrer,) ihnen, sie, ihr
Post by: Kizzy on June 10, 2015, 03:07:46 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 10, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
maybe it could be easier for a finn to understand the grammar of hungarian then others.
Post by: viola on June 10, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
Also I am posting a link to this on the Icelandic page.
:iceland: Icelandic
Edit: I am just going to link this because it's easier to update
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x5t1FcW22GmmR54GeuxQuDU483CLzpICztTtt4Z6360/edit?usp=sharing
Post by: ryagami on June 11, 2015, 10:09:03 PM
Post by: Solovei on June 11, 2015, 11:05:11 PM
It seems to me it's nearly impossible to do almost any Slavic language without going too much into details, because of verb aspect, verbs of motion and noun cases. xDYeah, I noticed that when I tried to do Russian x_x
Post by: Bobriha on June 12, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
I, too, think one wouldn't go far in learning any language without grammar. Not to mention there are always specific grammar constructions for every language, that one must just learn by heart how to use properly.
Anyway, I think such lists may be useful even for those ones, who learn their languages in regular way - as some sort of reference. So here is my indeed overloaded with details list for Russian (I give no transcription here, because I suppose person who starts learning Russian should figure out scripts and readings first):
Spoiler: show
Post by: Daéa Reina on June 12, 2015, 02:53:46 PM
Also, good luck to those people who are willing to learn this thing.
Spoiler: show
); Tchau!; "Até mais!" (informal)Post by: Pessi on June 15, 2015, 02:40:30 PM
I wonder myself how to do a better way for hungarian, or even for finnish, which is/seems so similar difficult.
Weeeell... I think these words can be formed into a very basic, stilted Finnish, and someone with a correct-enough pronunciation might well be able to get themselves understood in a very simple conversation using these words. But it would sound rather funny without all the right "bendings and endings" ;)
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maybe it could be easier for a finn to understand the grammar of hungarian then others.
At least Estonians and Finns understand each other's grammar, though the words and suffixes are different. I'd guess it's the same with Hungarian. It's the same language family after all, we just have less words in common (well, mostly those really ancient ones and even them we have molded into different forms ;) ).
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 16, 2015, 06:43:26 AM
Weeeell... I think these words can be formed into a very basic, stilted Finnish, and someone with a correct-enough pronunciation might well be able to get themselves understood in a very simple conversation using these words. But it would sound rather funny without all the right "bendings and endings" ;)
oh, yeah, in hungarian, if you mess it up, it is still fine, if you pronounce correctly (wrong pronounciation can mean else), I even mess up the sufixes on my own native language, I won't judge anyone to make mistake.
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At least Estonians and Finns understand each other's grammar, though the words and suffixes are different. I'd guess it's the same with Hungarian. It's the same language family after all, we just have less words in common (well, mostly those really ancient ones and even them we have molded into different forms ;) ).
Well, when I tried to learn the finnish suffixes, I realized, it is kind of like hungarian, also I found once, long time ago a hungarian site, which showed a lot of similarities in grammar, while when I was tring to learn from other finns, they just said "this is like italian" or any other languages, but I don't speak those, so those helps didn't help me at all. so I tried to figure out myself how they work, because I never found that site ever agian to continue learning...... and it is hard to find anyone, who can explain them in hungarian for me, because in english, it is more difficulter, becuase english has nothing like them in its grammar.......
Post by: Solovei on June 16, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gGGT7O31cMvIFa2aC-l85PHtIJSNsB4NqNce0ErgRNE/edit)
Swedish, finally, in all it's glory. I will come right out and say that I need to acknowledge contributions from Ruth, Windfighter, Ryagami, and Lars - thank you all!
Post by: Auleliel on June 16, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
Post by: kjeks on October 01, 2015, 12:05:02 PM
http://www.refugeephrasebook.de/phrasebooks/ (http://www.refugeephrasebook.de/phrasebooks/)
I was able to get some handy information how to built sentences in kurmanci, Albanian, arabic and turkish and there are many more languages. They are also very happy if people fluent in many languages are willing to help. The Excel sheets can be downloaded for free and after that customized. rya always discovered that serbian lacks some translations :).
Warning: The medical phrasebook also is used to describe reasons of flight and thus contains some tough phrases (no swearing but regarding situations people have to endure before and during their flight it is no happy to read stuff). I recommend downloading parts of the "Phrasebook for Orientation", it also includes much and more stuff you know from topics "Basics" and "Family" on duolingo.
Post by: Hrollo on November 07, 2015, 06:17:07 PM
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/index.html
Basically the university of Texas proposes, online, for free, and without registration required, a series of lessons to learn the basics of many ancient indo-european languages, including Classical Latin, Classical Greek, Biblical Greek, Old Church Slavonic, Old French, Old English, Old Norse, Gothic, Old Irish, Classical Armenian, Old Iranian, Hittite, Tocharian, Vedic Sanskrit, as well as a few modern languages (Albanian, Lithuanian and Latvian).
They're mostly made for people who want to be able to read classical texts, but they're nonetheless pretty interesting and give good overviews of the languages in question, as well as actual practice in the forms of various annoted texts.
I often use this site as reference when I'm looking for informations about one these languages (each series of lessons has an index that allows you to access either the sample texts or the grammar points directly).
Post by: Sunflower on November 07, 2015, 07:53:23 PM
Post by: ryagami on November 07, 2015, 09:48:02 PM
*will probably try learning some of those*
*me eyes Gothic*
Post by: misea on November 07, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
ALSO
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU AHVE BROUGHT UPON US
*now knows what they'll be doing all winter break*
Post by: kjeks on November 08, 2015, 03:43:30 AM
Post by: shaeira on November 08, 2015, 04:07:02 AM
Post by: elynshi on November 08, 2015, 06:46:19 AM
oh no, i've always wanted to learn latin.
Post by: Auleliel on November 12, 2015, 05:35:49 AM
Post by: urbicande on November 12, 2015, 10:45:22 AM
I just realised, there is a very cool link that I have had for years and that is worth sharing:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/index.html
Basically the university of Texas proposes, online, for free, and without registration required, a series of lessons to learn the basics of many ancient indo-european languages, including Classical Latin, Classical Greek, Biblical Greek, Old Church Slavonic, Old French, Old English, Old Norse, Gothic, Old Irish, Classical Armenian, Old Iranian, Hittite, Tocharian, Vedic Sanskrit, as well as a few modern languages (Albanian, Lithuanian and Latvian).
They're mostly made for people who want to be able to read classical texts, but they're nonetheless pretty interesting and give good overviews of the languages in question, as well as actual practice in the forms of various annoted texts.
I often use this site as reference when I'm looking for informations about one these languages (each series of lessons has an index that allows you to access either the sample texts or the grammar points directly).
Ooooh! That's neat!
Post by: viola on November 19, 2015, 07:25:14 AM
This (http://lexicity.com) may be interesting to our Old English/Norse learners.
Post by: Hrollo on November 20, 2015, 11:33:59 PM
Post by: Latiep on March 28, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
It's on the App Store and Google Play.
Basically it's a social language learning app. You select the languages you know and the languages you want to learn. Then you write a little bio and what kinds of people you would prefer talking to and it gives you a list of other users who are learning a language you know and speak a language you want to learn.
So far, it seems like a really good way to learn a language authentically. The people are generally very friendly as well.
I'm not sure if this should be merged to another thread somewhere or not. So..... yeah.
Post by: heiteru on March 28, 2017, 11:10:02 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on April 02, 2017, 09:08:15 PM
but I think on this forum there are many who want to learn a nordic language, which is less wanted language then those, and I don't even see it. does that mean, it is not possible to learn any nordic language there, or something? the site is not too easy to find out this information.
Post by: Sc0ut on April 03, 2017, 12:57:40 AM
it seems like learning only very popular languages like spanish, german, french, italian, portugese, russian chinese, japanese and american (why not english, I wonder)
There is English too, look for the US flag :)
I'm not thrilled about sites that require your "real identity" and photo, but for people who don't mind, I guess this is an option.
Post by: Latiep on April 03, 2017, 10:45:42 AM
it seems like learning only very popular languages like spanish, german, french, italian, portugese, russian chinese, japanese and american (why not english, I wonder)
but I think on this forum there are many who want to learn a nordic language, which is less wanted language then those, and I don't even see it. does that mean, it is not possible to learn any nordic language there, or something? the site is not too easy to find out this information.
It has pretty much every language available. There are people from Norway and Iceland on there that you can talk to. They're a lot less common, but they are there. I don't know about Swedes, Finns, or Danes since I haven't selected those languages to learn, but I would assume there are a fair amount of them.
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on April 03, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
There is English too, look for the US flag :)
I'm not thrilled about sites that require your "real identity" and photo, but for people who don't mind, I guess this is an option.
I said:
....and american (why not english, I wonder)....
american is like an alternative of english... english is mostly british english to me, which is taught normally in schools (or at least here). they are different a bit, like with many words and pronounciation, so, if learning from other american, I would learn american.
however I am not sure if I would choose english to learn, I could find british teachers? I would prefer that tho.
It has pretty much every language available. There are people from Norway and Iceland on there that you can talk to. They're a lot less common, but they are there. I don't know about Swedes, Finns, or Danes since I haven't selected those languages to learn, but I would assume there are a fair amount of them.
thanks, I didn't want to join and download the programme or app before knowing it
but still not sure I would join, I do have a finnish teacher, teaching me from a book, and pretty easily (unlike my first try, where a random finn tried to teach and they tried to explain the grammar comparing it to italian or other languages that I know nothing of, now, my teacher is hungarian, so easier explanation I've got.)
Post by: Auxivele on April 05, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
american is like an alternative of english... english is mostly british english to me, which is taught normally in schools (or at least here). they are different a bit, like with many words and pronounciation, so, if learning from other american, I would learn american.American English and British English are not different enough to require an entirely different teacher. They are virtually the same. I am sorry, but I don't understand why you would prefer one over the other? It is still the same language.
Post by: Sc0ut on April 06, 2017, 06:52:25 AM
I said:
american is like an alternative of english... english is mostly british english to me, which is taught normally in schools (or at least here). they are different a bit, like with many words and pronounciation, so, if learning from other american, I would learn american.
however I am not sure if I would choose english to learn, I could find british teachers? I would prefer that tho.
thanks, I didn't want to join and download the programme or app before knowing it
but still not sure I would join, I do have a finnish teacher, teaching me from a book, and pretty easily (unlike my first try, where a random finn tried to teach and they tried to explain the grammar comparing it to italian or other languages that I know nothing of, now, my teacher is hungarian, so easier explanation I've got.)
Ah, sorry. I didn't notice the "american" there, I just saw the "why not english". I agree with Auxivele, they are not so different as you make them seem, especially if you stick to formal speech. Let's put it this way: can you tell apart the American minnions from the British ones on this forum just based on their language use?
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on April 06, 2017, 09:40:25 PM
American English and British English are not different enough to require an entirely different teacher. They are virtually the same. I am sorry, but I don't understand why you would prefer one over the other? It is still the same language.
bad experiences on americans, and this programme or site or what would connect me people, who would be mostly american probably, and they could teach something wrong maybe, because they don't know all grammar and spelling correctly.
my experiences on British people was they are way better at english speaking, grammar and spelling.
but it is all just experiences.
I am sorry
and I personally would like to learn more of british english words and expressions.
Post by: Auxivele on April 08, 2017, 06:28:56 PM
bad experiences on americans, and this programme or site or what would connect me people, who would be mostly american probably, and they could teach something wrong maybe, because they don't know all grammar and spelling correctly.I don't think there's a huge difference in the skill level of Americans and Brits when speaking or writing English; we just have a population that is 5 times the size of the U.K., so we just have a perhaps larger quantity that is easily accessible and apparent.
my experiences on British people was they are way better at english speaking, grammar and spelling.
but it is all just experiences.
I am sorry
and I personally would like to learn more of british english words and expressions.
As to spelling, there are a lot of spelling differences between the U.S. and the U.K. Just because someone spells something differently does not mean that it is spelled incorrectly. (For example, you wrote "programme." Here, that would be spelled "program." Both are correct, they are simply different regional spellings of the same word.)
You don't need to apologize, and I think it's great if you want to learn more British slang or expressions or what have you. To me, it just seemed like you were treating them like different languages, which they are not.
I wish you luck in finding a good person to help you learn!
Post by: Abprallen on April 09, 2017, 03:43:50 PM
Post by: Auxivele on September 09, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
The program and other similar programs such as YES (the Kennedy-Lugar Youth Exchange & Study Program, where you travel to Muslim-majority countries to engage in cultural exchange) and CBYX (the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange, where you can go to Germany for a year and study politics) are getting their budgets cut by our current president and his administration, which might make it a little more difficult to get accepted, but I don't think it should be a major change.
I'm trying to apply for the Korean program, most likely the summer program, but you can put two program requests in your application and one of them is "any," so I'm really just applying for all of the summer programs (because I am a language nerd). If anyone else is interested in applying, I would be happy to answer your questions (but this is also my first time applying, so I'm not necessarily the most knowledgeable about the program).
Check out the NSLI website if you are interested! (http://www.nsliforyouth.org/)
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But not 'you are stupid', for some reason.I have also "This (smth) is very strange." for some reason.
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The course is on the up and up. It focuses on visual communication and teaches US Deaf history. I am finding the learning process engaging and relatively smooth, even though I struggle with language. Though I did go in knowing some ASL.
I think the classes may work internationally but I can't really say.