Post by: Unwary on May 02, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
Not enhance my drawing skills, but gain some.
And then I thoguht that it would be better to have it be kind of a communal thing, so I thought I would kick this off with a few sketches.
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/8cd9/th/pre/f/2015/122/8/a/8a57fbb546da04afc1524389d4d6c5de-d8rxi7l.png)
(http://pre15.deviantart.net/f13c/th/pre/i/2015/122/7/0/skeleton_archer_by_norrolith-d8rxu52.png)
Rules wise, everyone can join in, but the art should be sketchy and novice like, other wise it goes in the art musueum. Kay?
Also I grant permission for you guys to bug me if I start to forget about this.
To get you images to fit, make sure that the first bracket of the image code looks like this [img width=350]
Post by: P__ on May 03, 2015, 04:14:46 AM
my draws are not generally sketchy, but they're quite often awful (plus, very rare, so this is good incentive)
is this thread just for practice/progress-posting, or would it also be adequate for group-practice (like "hey, let's all draw *insert thing and/or technique* today" and then see how it goes)?
Post by: Chizu on May 03, 2015, 10:11:57 AM
Post by: Unwary on May 03, 2015, 10:16:53 AM
Let's say the first one is...
Pirates!
they are delightfully asymetric and so might be a good way to warm up.
Post by: urbicande on May 03, 2015, 10:31:46 AM
(My appearance may be delayed -- I'm away on a work trip all next week)
Post by: P__ on May 03, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/83792020150503pirate.jpg)
(no he's not standing askew, the sea's being rough)
edit: image's not working somehow. I'll upload it anew tomorrow and edit here
edit 2: so... image got back to working by itself... adjusted the size accordingly
Post by: Sunflower on May 03, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
I added "width=500" in the initial "[ img ]" tag and that fixed it.
somebody said pirates? here's one
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/83792020150503pirate.jpg)
(no he's not standing askew, the sea's being rough)
edit: image's not working somehow. I'll upload it anew tomorrow and edit here
Post by: Unwary on May 04, 2015, 03:44:03 PM
(http://pre15.deviantart.net/c8fd/th/pre/i/2015/124/f/c/warrior_s_repose_by_norrolith-d8s5m90.png?2)
Nice Pirate P, I think that you suffer from the same problem as I. We both need to work on blocking out the entire pose, before we go into details.
Post by: P__ on May 05, 2015, 05:13:40 AM
I know it isn't pirates but I had started it before themes were even brought up.nice! (small hands, and possibly thin arms too, but I see no other problems)
(http://pre15.deviantart.net/c8fd/th/pre/i/2015/124/f/c/warrior_s_repose_by_norrolith-d8s5m90.png?2)
Nice Pirate P, I think that you suffer from the same problem as I. We both need to work on blocking out the entire pose, before we go into details.
he can be a pirate-lord and have many ships under his command 8)
Post by: Unwary on May 05, 2015, 11:34:10 AM
Post by: Eich on May 05, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
I mainly focused on human anatomy and poses. Hopefully it's not too terrible.
Post by: Unwary on May 06, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
Post by: Unwary on May 10, 2015, 09:40:20 PM
(http://pre02.deviantart.net/d222/th/pre/f/2015/130/d/6/bugbot_by_norrolith-d8sxly3.png)
Post by: P__ on May 11, 2015, 04:02:14 AM
I practiced values too on the plane last friday: I'll upload tomorrow or wednesday (there's some tiny faces on a page).
got a theme for me on the way back?
Post by: Unwary on May 11, 2015, 11:03:27 AM
See if you can use light and shadow to drive home what it flesh and isn't. what goes above which.
I like making themes, I just can't follow them.
And as to what it is, I was seeing the spiral things as camera shutter eye, and the whole thing as some kind of robot.
Post by: SugaAndSpice on May 11, 2015, 06:34:44 PM
I don't have the time to draw anymore, but I do have all my practice logged in my DA scrapbook (http://eichewawa.deviantart.com/gallery/44760770/Scrapbook).
I mainly focused on human anatomy and poses. Hopefully it's not too terrible.
That is not terrible! It is really good! *coughcoughbetterthanminecough*
Post by: Unwary on May 12, 2015, 04:20:38 PM
(http://orig13.deviantart.net/4275/f/2015/132/6/6/starlostscholar_by_norrolith-d8t4qvj.png)
Post by: P__ on May 13, 2015, 12:37:33 PM
Anyway, I should start from a grey background next time I do a digital thing, looks like a smart thing to do
as promised, here's my value-practice
Spoiler: show
and here's the mask:
(http://pre15.deviantart.net/ed83/th/pre/i/2015/133/8/6/mask_practice__by_p__theserunderscores-d8t81i8.jpg)
(yeh, I know, the skin shading is kinda half-assed, and the texture of the top-mask doesn't look very good at all but hey, practice!)
that's done with a HB pencil btw
-_-_- edit so as not to doublepost -_-_-
for the next themed practice, may I suggest either faces (because obviously we can never practice anatomy enough) or !!!panel re-draws!!! (because haiz made it look like a good idea in the Art Museum)
and if you want to join in on this, it's now or never! (or later, we'll take you with anyway)
Post by: Curry on May 13, 2015, 01:07:13 PM
Post by: Unwary on May 13, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
P__ I know what you mean, the chin is to low. The lower left most bubble is supposed to line up over my eye and be visible through. I know tricks to make the eye hole glow, and if I angle it out from my face I can look down my nose and see whats under my feet.(I have worked with mask with extremely limited vision and this one seems almost luxurious... A whole eye facing forward, and downward vision!) I also think I will take your advise, and try and broaden the shading. I am not happy with the results when I tied to color it this morning.
In other news, cool mask, until you said skin tones I was thinking that it was still being mached on the mold, with some of the lines on the cheek being folds in the saran wrap base.
Post by: mithrysc on May 13, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
for the next themed practice, may I suggest either faces (because obviously we can never practice anatomy enough) or !!!panel re-draws!!! (because haiz made it look like a good idea in the Art Museum)
and if you want to join in on this, it's now or never! (or later, we'll take you with anyway)
*pops in*
For a really helpful guide to understanding faces/ anatomy, I'd suggest Andrew Loomis' Drawing the Head and Hands (or Figure Drawing for All It's Worth, or anything by him, really)...which had been out of print since the 1970's, so you can (or could) find copies online. After a quick search, though, I think they've been reprinted? So, uh, still recommended but you might have to buy a physical copy.
Post by: Unwary on May 15, 2015, 04:27:13 PM
Post by: Lenny on May 17, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Also one for using basic shapes. (http://www.lackadaisy.foxprints.com/howtodraw.php) Even if, like me, you never really use base lines/shapes in a base sketch beforehand, it is absolutely ESSENTIAL that you do have it in your head when you draw! It helps you realise how light falls onto things and how to create volume, rather than really 2D flat-looking things. All comes down to one rule: before you can draw the complicated thing, you need to simplify it as much as possible, break it down to its barest bones, then complicate it again. Kind of like sending information across networks. Whether you do this in your head before putting things down to canvas, or draw a skeleton sketch before hand, or a really messy spaghetti sketch, or blocks of colour, or whatever... as long as you do it in some form. You know those cool artists like Kim Jung Gi who draw entire scenes from their heads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynxr6twe4w) directly onto canvas in pen, with no base sketch of any kind, and who don't seem to make any mistakes while doing it? They've done all the sketching, plotting, all the drudge work, inside their head already. They don't just draw things, they've just learnt to do all of it quickly and improvise around "mistakes".
...now, none of those are books, but as the only books I've used over the past 7 years have been those of Andrew Loomis (and random tutorials on the net), I'm rather stuck. Hmm. Oh. Actually, the one book that helped me above all others when I was very much younger was How To Animate Film Cartoons by Preston Blair, published 1980. Though it was chiefly about animation, it covered so many areas, such as composition, movement, proportions, camera angles, perspective, character... that book was quite a treasure. The PDF for it is actually available if you look!
Post by: Solovei on May 18, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
So, does anyone know of a good site for those? Or maybe even some kind of like... I dunno, person-posing program?
Post by: Curry on May 18, 2015, 07:08:31 PM
I like having photo/picture references when I draw but I find that they almost never match what I have in my head... (though it's possible I'm just SUPER picky)
So, does anyone know of a good site for those? Or maybe even some kind of like... I dunno, person-posing program?
Ooh, Eich gave me a pose site in the chat a little bit ago! It's useful for random poses (http://www.quickposes.com/pages/random) but apparently can get a bit NSFW (although you can change that I'm pretty sure). Here's (http://www.posemaniacs.com) a (http://pose-emporium.deviantart.com) couple (http://artist-refs.tumblr.com/human) that I've heard good things about and/or had a good time with myself!
Post by: Solovei on May 18, 2015, 07:14:03 PM
Ooh, Eich gave me a pose site in the chat a little bit ago! It's useful for random poses (http://www.quickposes.com/pages/random) but apparently can get a bit NSFW (although you can change that I'm pretty sure). Here's (http://www.posemaniacs.com) a (http://pose-emporium.deviantart.com) couple (http://artist-refs.tumblr.com/human) that I've heard good things about and/or had a good time with myself!
Ooooh thank you so much! I didn't know ANY of those and had been relying mostly on google image search XD
Post by: Curry on May 18, 2015, 07:17:28 PM
Ooooh thank you so much! I didn't know ANY of those and had been relying mostly on google image search XD
No problem! The last link is a lot of fun to scroll through, even if you're not looking for anything in particular, and it kind of has... tutorials and images for everything so if anybody needs reference (or even inspiration) THERE YOU GO
Post by: Piney on June 21, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
You're also welcome to share tutorials by other artists that you found useful.
I made a tutorial on Reynir's dream-cloak (http://comicsbyclaire.tumblr.com/post/106055854767) back in December. It needs some tweaking, but I know a few people have found it useful.
Post by: viola on June 21, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 21, 2015, 03:19:12 PM
I am bad at making tutorials... any kind of tutirials I used to make some shading and colouring tutorials but they suck. in stream I did good tutorials for body/anatomy, hand, also explained an easy (my way) or colouring and some techniques I use.
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 21, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
in stream I did good tutorials for body/anatomy, hand, also explained an easy (my way) or colouring and some techniques I use.
HANDS HANDS HANDS HANDS HANDS....
...Yes please. Drawing hands is torture.
Post by: Kizzy on June 21, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
Post by: SugaAndSpice on June 21, 2015, 05:03:48 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 21, 2015, 09:41:46 PM
HANDS HANDS HANDS HANDS HANDS....
...Yes please. Drawing hands is torture.
I... realized what i said, okay, I draw horrible hands, but when i need to explain some basics an give help to people with hands, i totally make the most awesomest hand ever.
anyway, I will probably stream tomorrow again in the afternoon/evening to late night in central european time, which i will post to the stream thread. so if anyone interested, i can try a bit there.
someone do a tutorial for animals, that is something i CAN'T DO AT ALL.... (cat's kind of okay, because I just look at my cat and use him as reference lol)
Post by: Solovei on June 21, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Like Martti, I too explain things better via livestream. Not sure what I could cover though...any suggestions?Expressions! Please, someone do a thing on how to go from just... static headshots to actual expressions ._.
Post by: Piney on June 21, 2015, 10:28:47 PM
Expressions! Please, someone do a thing on how to go from just... static headshots to actual expressions ._.
*raises hand*
I can attempt this!
Post by: Kizzy on June 22, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
Expressions! Please, someone do a thing on how to go from just... static headshots to actual expressions ._.
Oo I could definitely do that! Now we just need to set a time that we could all agree on. If we can't reach to an agreement I'll try making it into a text based tutorial.
Edit: I also think that it's a good idea to share your PSD files. It's a nice way to have a closer look of the artist drawing process.
Post by: Wolfram on June 22, 2015, 06:23:28 AM
Post by: Sumeri on June 22, 2015, 07:44:14 AM
Post by: Wolfram on June 22, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
http://imgur.com/a/rqJYb (http://imgur.com/a/rqJYb)
Post by: videovance on June 22, 2015, 09:41:46 AM
I've got a ton of art tutorials I have stacked up here and there, but here are some faves that I tend to use a bit. Without further ado:
Colours:
http://blog.meredithaldenlewis.com/post/68282057193/a-public-service-announcement - a great starting point to choosing nicer colours
http://clock-heart.tumblr.com/post/114483012591/hiirarefs-basic-and-intermidiate-guide-to - step-by-step process of colour choosing
http://troy-artlog.tumblr.com/post/49562532600/how-to-make-your-art-look-nice - lookin' at contrast
http://purplekecleon.deviantart.com/art/How-I-See-Color-A-Tutorial-184642625 - STRONGLY RECOMMEND READING it's kinda long but it has a lot of good stuff. Also, pokemon!! v important.
Poses:
http://lomonte.tumblr.com/post/111033049963/if-you-do-more-tutorials-maybe-poses - really useful to get good general ideas!
http://dammek.tumblr.com/post/111813031572/gonna-use-buddy-boy-here-for-another-thing-i-got - also explores how poses can portray certain expressions
Perrrrspective:
http://clock-heart.tumblr.com/post/111829362298/artbymoga-the-hopeful-actor-thatoboekid - cool video on perspective 10/10 would recommend
http://le-mec.tumblr.com/post/89998719774/deluxe-draughtsmanship-exercise-cheetsheet-tm - fun, useful exercise
FACES and stuff like that:
http://littleulvar.tumblr.com/post/99819996956/hi-i-draw-a-good-amount-of-faces-and-i-always - this cool kid also has a really great painting tutorial so go check that out if you'd like
http://art-tutorials.tumblr.com/post/73041509708/kitkatghost-elle-est-aimee-how-to - THE ALL TIME FAVE WHEN IT COMES TO EXPRESSIONS
http://pastimescribbles.tumblr.com/post/113728955852/artist-refs-phoneme-chart-by-theendisnearus - good for drawing speech!
I hope these are useful!
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 22, 2015, 10:21:46 AM
[cracks knuckles] time to get down to heckin' business
I've got a ton of art tutorials I have stacked up here and there, but here are some faves that I tend to use a bit. Without further ado:
:o These are great! I love the foreshortening one (and now I have to find some pencils and paper and try it out ;D)
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 22, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
EXPRESSIONS!!! (http://lackadaisy.foxprints.com/exhibit.php?exhibitid=333)
Drawing: how to (http://lackadaisy.foxprints.com/exhibit.php?exhibitid=356)
And to sum up (http://www.lackadaisycats.com/howtodraw.php)
Digital painting (http://www.lackadaisycats.com/howtopaint.php) (Okay, I just like this one because the subject/artist interaction is funny)
Also I am willing to attempt a tutorial if anyone wants me to.
Post by: daItrick on June 22, 2015, 11:34:04 AM
I can help doing MLP related stuff! Like mouth, angles(?), hair...
Also, my color style of the hair in my drawings too!
Post by: AuthorOfLight on June 22, 2015, 01:29:04 PM
My actual favorite tutorials on the interwebs.
EXPRESSIONS!!! (http://lackadaisy.foxprints.com/exhibit.php?exhibitid=333)
Drawing: how to (http://lackadaisy.foxprints.com/exhibit.php?exhibitid=356)
And to sum up (http://www.lackadaisycats.com/howtodraw.php)
Digital painting (http://www.lackadaisycats.com/howtopaint.php) (Okay, I just like this one because the subject/artist interaction is funny)
Also I am willing to attempt a tutorial if anyone wants me to.
I LOVE the lackadaisy tutorials!
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 22, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
I LOVE the lackadaisy tutorials!also if you did one of expressions/telling a story though drawing that would be super amazingly awesome
I second these emotions.
Post by: Noodles on June 22, 2015, 02:07:45 PM
Post by: Piney on June 22, 2015, 04:33:18 PM
Post by: Curry on June 22, 2015, 07:38:36 PM
Piney, that's super interesting! I've always wondered how you get those lines :0
Post by: Piney on June 22, 2015, 08:07:33 PM
Piney, that's super interesting! I've always wondered how you get those lines :0
...through close scrutiny and sometimes tedious work. :P
Post by: SugaAndSpice on June 22, 2015, 08:22:11 PM
someone do a tutorial for animals, that is something i CAN'T DO AT ALL.... (cat's kind of okay, because I just look at my cat and use him as reference lol)
I can do this!!! Just have to get a good camera angle... and don't judge. My voice sounds like a little kid on recordings.
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 23, 2015, 08:02:00 AM
also if you did one of expressions/telling a story though drawing that would be super amazingly awesomeWill do (gimme a week)
Post by: Guardian G.I. on June 23, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
http://artutorials.tumblr.com/
http://myreferencestash.tumblr.com/
http://the-art-post.tumblr.com/
http://anatomicalart.tumblr.com/
http://human-proportions.tumblr.com/
http://artists-help.tumblr.com/
http://f***yeahreferences.tumblr.com/ (that's no no for the wordfilter, apparently - copy that link to the address bar and replace the stars with the proper letters)
For those who have a Wacom tablet and Photoshop, there are a lot of very useful videos at ctrlpaint.com (http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/). There are a few videos about pencil drawing techniques there, but most of them are about digital painting.
Also, for those who are starting out: Andrew Loomis and his books (http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/). They are really good - I personally started out learning to draw by reading Loomis's "Fun with a Pencil"
Post by: Haiz on June 23, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
~*THE HAIZ WAY*~
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/eaa29c1de58942f41db44959d385c7bf/tumblr_inline_nqf6yoHAtl1r2g2kx_540.png)
how do I do the colour thing. it's so soft and nice
I posted it on tumblr (http://unicorngender.tumblr.com/post/122289267614/the-haiz-way), but I'll post it here, too
Spoiler: ive never done a tutorial before • show
I have no idea how coherent or helpful this was, but there you have it. I don't think I can make any tutorials that others wouldn't make better, but if there is anything you'd like me to do, make a noise! I'm going to bed now
Post by: AquaAurion on June 24, 2015, 03:12:46 AM
I don't know if this qualifies as a tutorial, it's more like "how I draw hands": http://aquaaurion.deviantart.com/art/Hand-Tutorial-523273101 (http://aquaaurion.deviantart.com/art/Hand-Tutorial-523273101).
I have a collection of tutorials from dA I like here (http://aquaaurion.deviantart.com/favourites/62667329/Tutorials-and-references).
Post by: OrigamiOwl on June 24, 2015, 04:23:56 AM
the art tutorial nobody asked for:Nice! Weirdly enough, that's really similar to how I use oil pastels, all the smudgies! All the colour blobs!
~*THE HAIZ WAY*~
Post by: Haiz on June 24, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
Nice! Weirdly enough, that's really similar to how I use oil pastels, all the smudgies! All the colour blobs!I think it's kind of obvious I'm a lot more comfortable with traditional methods than digital ones, heh
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 24, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
~*THE HAIZ WAY*~
how do I do the colour thing. it's so soft and niceSpoiler: ive never done a tutorial before • show
I wanted this so badly thank you so much thank you thank you thank you.
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 24, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
also if you did one of expressions/telling a story though drawing that would be super amazingly awesome*ahem*
I tried. (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11vrX2Df3-2faTbYygXnxrFHG6x-a_VqId6JTAS_AA_s/edit?usp=sharing)
Let me know if this is helpful or what I need to do a better job of explaining.
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 24, 2015, 06:59:50 PM
*ahem*
I tried. (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11vrX2Df3-2faTbYygXnxrFHG6x-a_VqId6JTAS_AA_s/edit?usp=sharing)
Let me know if this is helpful or what I need to do a better job of explaining.
Yes! That's actually really helpful! And I think you did a good job of explaining stuff, with plenty of pictures to illustrate your points. And it's funny! Yay humour! ;D
Post by: Daéa Reina on June 24, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
Post by: Solovei on June 24, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
*ahem*That was really good actually! Thanks :)
I tried. (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11vrX2Df3-2faTbYygXnxrFHG6x-a_VqId6JTAS_AA_s/edit?usp=sharing)
Let me know if this is helpful or what I need to do a better job of explaining.
Post by: AuthorOfLight on June 25, 2015, 12:33:07 AM
*ahem*Ahhh that's helpful! :D
I tried. (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11vrX2Df3-2faTbYygXnxrFHG6x-a_VqId6JTAS_AA_s/edit?usp=sharing)
Let me know if this is helpful or what I need to do a better job of explaining.
squishy faces... squishy faces... must remember
Post by: Curry on June 28, 2015, 12:57:17 AM
♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸Colored Pencil Coloring¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
I'll put it all under a spoiler so you all aren't slapped in the face with tons and tons of pictures all at the same time, especially because they're low-quality iPhone 4 photos that aren't all evenly sized or spaced. Apologies in advance for that, but I tried to get most of the important steps! Now time for me to talk a lot, wheeeee e e e
Spoiler: this is my first tutorial apart from in-person drawing lessons wow • show
Welp! It went from this:
(http://i.imgur.com/riTDYLA.jpg?1)
To this:
(http://i.imgur.com/o4utBBe.jpg)
And I hope I was coherent enough to help a few of you!
TL;DR: GRADIENTS. GRADIENTS. GRADIENTS AND PUT IN YOUR DARKEST DARKS FIRST THEN WORK YOUR WAY UP THE VALUE SCALE
Edit: 700th post! Nice! :D
Post by: Sumeri on June 28, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
But first, you know that thing when you're drawing a face, and you draw an eye but can't quite get the other eye right? Here's a tutorial on how to do that other eye, it has helped me SO much: http://roryscribbles.tumblr.com/post/109691767180/how-to-other-eye (http://roryscribbles.tumblr.com/post/109691767180/how-to-other-eye)
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 28, 2015, 03:18:05 PM
Hello everyone! It is I, Curry, here to throw lots and lots of progress pictures and text at you in the hopes of helping you with...♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸Colored Pencil Coloring¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
I'll put it all under a spoiler so you all aren't slapped in the face with tons and tons of pictures all at the same time, especially because they're low-quality iPhone 4 photos that aren't all evenly sized or spaced. Apologies in advance for that, but I tried to get most of the important steps! Now time for me to talk a lot, wheeeee e e e
Now I wish I had decent colored pencils so I could try this! But I think it's really halpful regardless of the medium, especially the part about mapping out shadowy bits. Thank you!
Okay so I'm in the mood for hair,'specially long blue Lalli-hair, so as soon as I finish doodling, Imma take pics of how I colour teh hair(and maybe also the skin&eyes).
But first, you know that thing when you're drawing a face, and you draw an eye but can't quite get the other eye right? Here's a tutorial on how to do that other eye, it has helped me SO much: http://roryscribbles.tumblr.com/post/109691767180/how-to-other-eye (http://roryscribbles.tumblr.com/post/109691767180/how-to-other-eye)
Yes please for hair!! And as for that tutorial, I had no idea something so simple could help so much!
Would anyone be interested in a papercut tutorial? Because you all seem to like the dragons I did over in the art museum, and they're really not that hard.
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 28, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
Curry, I would never have thought of going dark-to-light or of planning the highlights ahead of time. Thank you so much.
And Ana, please do a papercut tutorial. Yours are so good and I want to know your secrets.
Post by: Ana Nymus on June 28, 2015, 09:04:22 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5KfyiIpEudM/VZCBE2D2q1I/AAAAAAAAAOs/ulWXSRmEuTc/w840-h630-no/Finished.JPG)
So without further ado: tutorial!! (Under a spoiler because there are lots of pictures)
Spoiler: show
. You’ll want something with a fairly distinctive silhouette. So my little deer shouldn’t be curled up asleep like it is in the corner (even though deer are really cute that way). Its figure is much clearer galloping about.I hope you all like it!
Post by: RandomTexanReader on June 28, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
This is a terrific tutorial! Especially the advice to cut out the details first... I've always failed miserably at papercuts, and I think that cutting the outline first was probably a major reason.
So without further ado: tutorial!! (Under a spoiler because there are lots of pictures)Spoiler: show
I hope you all like it!
Post by: Daéa Reina on June 29, 2015, 09:22:39 AM
Post by: Sumeri on June 29, 2015, 08:37:41 PM
WARNING: the thing is HUGE. Huge, as in 3200 x 7400 pixels huge. You'll probably have to open it in another tab to see it in its actual size. You have been warned. Oh and if you have problems reading my handwriting, please tell me.
Spoiler: show
Here's the finished product:
(I was a little lazy with the skin, eyes and shirt. Meh.)
Spoiler: show
Post by: AuthorOfLight on July 01, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
Post by: Piney on July 01, 2015, 10:40:10 PM
I want to make frogs.
Frog tutorial under the spoiler!
I'm making this little guy:
(http://i.imgur.com/RehvYyd.jpg)
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Post by: Solovei on July 02, 2015, 12:26:13 AM
http://thatgamecompany.tumblr.com/post/84371786837/make-your-own-journey-origami-designed-by-matt
Post by: viola on July 02, 2015, 07:08:05 AM
Sorry for the sketchy photographing I tried to fix it best I could :/
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZwF9TXi67XD3I0IX0myw9W4ZJ1rJwOEHDuOoHwfriFA=w845-h631-no)
I should also have the accordion troll tutorial done tonight.
Post by: viola on July 02, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-NxTjFrHayIOYF3o3V_LbmYfbzWCogkz_5mhILnAhC4/edit?usp=sharing
I am going to try and do a paper Lalli tutorial tomorrow if I have time. Paper kitty is done and paper Emil is almost done.
Post by: Kizzy on July 02, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
Hopefully I can coerce my sister into making some origamis, including the lauftroll ;D
Post by: AuthorOfLight on July 02, 2015, 09:48:55 PM
Post by: viola on July 03, 2015, 05:12:02 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c9/39/4f/c9394f5101ec475a08cbd9afefa2ff15.jpg)
Post by: viola on July 04, 2015, 11:21:17 AM
The pictures took several hours to upload, so no idea when Sigrun will be up.
And again apologies for sketchy quality pictures. I took them with my phone on the Japanese bullet train, using the tray table as a surface.
Let me know if something doesn't make sense! If it does, let me know too, I'd like to know if people are getting through these ok.
Post by: Curry on July 04, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
Post by: viola on July 06, 2015, 07:48:59 AM
Post by: Trinka on July 07, 2015, 10:08:55 PM
I just recently started using it last semester in my life-drawing anatomy course, and I love it's versatility. The trick is using the opposite tone of your paper to draw: the darker your paper, the more "light" colors you are going to have to use (or the lighter your paper, the more dark colors you should use).
This model was drawn on traditional white paper (even if the picture looks darker here), so I used mostly blacks and grey tones to render her.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UtdXji9H50QDIW7J125RiUhFxYk30qePivLKSMd6t6c=w351-h623-no)
This picture was drawn on medium grey paper. The trick is to sketch where your lines need to go, and use the color of the paper itself as much as possible to show middle ranges of color. You can see I left much of it showing on the face, because it represents the middle of the gradient. I used white where the light is hitting the face, where it needs to POP. And I used black where it is cast in shadows. But the point is to build on the preexisting color of your paper, and use it to it's fullest.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Yb_RM3fGcgH1NbwM2EJCjYL-GMQXdZ32672IEYNYjxw=w423-h623-no)
With this one, it was drawn on medium tone brown paper. Leave as much of the under paper showing as possible, only add white where you see highlights, and black where you see shadows. Don't use a black line around the whole figure, as humans are never actually outlined in real life: try creating the silhouette of a person with light bouncing off their skin instead, as seen here on the thigh and forearm to the right.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iercU63EF5VeJ06PYP6Xx_QWrZbfGFyuQU8hXuWJInE=w460-h623-no)
All of these were done in 20 minutes, but as you can see, toned paper can be pretty cool! I like how it eliminates the need to go in with pencil and shade all the mid ranges of color when shading a person's skin on white paper (because people aren't perfectly snow white IRL). These were done with charcoal and a white chalk pencil, which work really well together, especially on larger pieces (these were all done on about 18" x 24" paper). try to avoid mixing the white and black together to create mid tones, as they tend to take on a bluish hue, detracting from the overall "browness" of the piece. Also, you don't need to mix to get grey; let the paper do that for you!
Post by: Unlos on July 10, 2015, 11:08:32 AM
I basically use techniques that I learned from Jazza in "Draw with Jazza" youtube tutorials. (like this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpA4TlQLxr4))
But here goes:
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Post by: Curry on July 10, 2015, 11:15:29 AM
Oh no, broken links are broken :(
I love the tutorials in here, and will make one of my own as well:
I basically use techniques that I learned from Jazza in "Draw with Jazza" youtube tutorials. (like this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpA4TlQLxr4))
But here goes:Spoiler: show
>:^O !!!!! This is really cool and I did not know clipping masks were a thing!!! photoshop why didn't you tell me
Post by: viola on July 11, 2015, 03:19:58 PM
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
So, questions about art supplies come here, yelling about art supplies (GUYS I GOT THESE NEW WATERCOLORS AND I AM SEVENTY PERCENT SURE THEY ARE MADE OF THE TEARS OF ANGELS AND RAINBOWS INCARNATE) come here, anything art supplies (as long as it's not digital, there's another thread for that) come here! :3c art away
If you're wondering, some things that are in fact art supplies:
✒ pens
✒ pencils
✒ pencil leads
✒ paints (all types)
✒ paper
✒ sealing sprays
✒ books about art
✒ references
✒ cameras
✒ film types
✒ glues
✒ canvases
✒ if you use it in conjunction with art IT IS ART SUPPLIES AND YOU CAN CONVERSE ABOUT IT HERE :D
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 02:53:33 PM
Hang on, is that Helen and Karri? Why haven't I seen these before, they look like some kind of amazing actual-history cross-over.Hee hee, it is! I'm going to draw about 35 fashion portraits of various SSSSonas wearing getups from about 1550 on. I have 6 done right now (adrai thell, authoroflight, haiz, MEEEE, sigrid marie, freddie) and a Sigrid Marie in the works and plans for lots of things ;3 It's mainly a fabric and pattern-drawing exercise for me with SSSS thrown in, oops...
I think the art supplies topic comes up every now and then and people love to brag about their acquisitions, so sure, go for it.
Magic 8-Ball says:
DEFINITELY YES
We already have several threads for discussing digital art resources; it would warm my antiquarian's heart to see one about actual pens, pencils, colors, paper, etc. Please consider this a skaldic invitation to start a thread about art supplies. I'm sure it would be madly popular.
YESSSSSSS
I agree, although digital art is hella cool and super fun, traditional art holds a spot near and dear to my art and I love it so much ;w; Also I really love Microns did I say that yet
Heeeere it is! (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=557.0)
@Curry why do you hate yourselfTo be honest I'm not sure, Kick, lately I've been leaving more and more out of the sketch phase and just getting anatomy/pose/general shapes straight in the sketch and then heading straight to linework?? Hopefully I will one day achieve the ability to do all this with no sketch. [looks off into the distance] one day........
obviously i dont mean that but how do you from point A to point Z without even touching Point G
And I won't be be able to use my lining pens for 2 months, at which at that point I will be terrified of them
No seriously i heard you guys saying that you kinda forgot how to do traditional art after doing digital for a while and when i did digital art for a straight week i kinda just looked at my pencil and paper like why
Also, I got into digital art really late in my Drawing Career (after uhhh... 8 years?) so I'm not sure if this is applicable, but I really haven't had a problem with switching between digital and traditional. It's kind of a relief for me to go back to traditional because suddenly there's much less of a divide between my hand and eyes and the page, you feel?? It might be that I've had a reeeally long time to get the muscle memory deeply ingrained into my hands, but don't worry about it, you can always regain skill :D
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: viola on July 14, 2015, 03:03:29 PM
Just DO IT. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU)
I see your pens and raise you
(http://i.imgur.com/A6X8P9C.jpg)
So many pens :o
Post by: Piney on July 14, 2015, 03:05:01 PM
I like to use mechanical pencils best when doing traditional art. The lines are really thin, and looks nicer then regular pencils.
Yissss, I stopped using regular pencils years ago and never looked back :D Although I only use pencils for writing and sketching and never for finished drawings. I'm very out of practice shading with pencils and all that.
Post by: Piney on July 14, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
So many pens :o
...And counting. ;)
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 03:06:40 PM
Yissss, I stopped using regular pencils years ago and never looked back :D Although I only use pencils for writing and sketching and never for finished drawings. I'm very out of practice shading with pencils and all that.I am horrible on shading. I try not to do it, because it looks weird when I do.
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 03:08:41 PM
Yissss, I stopped using regular pencils years ago and never looked back :D Although I only use pencils for writing and sketching and never for finished drawings. I'm very out of practice shading with pencils and all that.
Eeee, same! Except I do a small amount of shading with them if I don't intend to ink it. I have a really soft wooden pencil that I use for hair and soft shading and it's lovely, but apart from that, my latest pencil is a supercheap Bic Ecolutions 0.7mm mechanical pencil (like, 50 for 5 bucks at the drug store) and I like how it feels in my hand a lot :3c
Post by: hushpiper on July 14, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/A6X8P9C.jpg)
OBJECTION some of those are clearly markers!
Post by: Guardian G.I. on July 14, 2015, 03:22:31 PM
Yissss, I stopped using regular pencils years ago and never looked back :D Although I only use pencils for writing and sketching and never for finished drawings. I'm very out of practice shading with pencils and all that.I always break the lead in mechanical pencils, and these things are quite expensive here. :-\
When I'm drawing something on paper, I use ordinary graphite pencils by Cretacolor. I have a Wacom Bamboo Pen for digital stuff.
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
I always break the lead in mechanical pencils, and these things are quite expensive here. :-\My sister has graphite pencils, and I used it once and I'm not sure if I liked them or not
When I'm drawing something on paper, I use ordinary graphite pencils by Cretacolor. I have a Wacom Bamboo Pen for digital stuff.
Post by: jesty on July 14, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
Hrrm, I have a 4 graphite shading pencils (HB, 2B, 4B and 6B) and a .7 mm mechanical pencil, which I mostly use for sketching. I don't have any inking pens but it would be really nice to get one *v* I heard Microns pens are great!
Oh! And I went to my cousin's house (she's a really great artist) and she has boxes full of art supplies and materials including those cool blending markers. I tried to use them aaaand failed :P Just....need to practice more v___v
So I just borrowed a handful of coloring pencils and I am coloring some linearts that I printed from the Coloring Book Thread \o/
Mostly, Prismacolors and Portfolio brands. I-I think I am getting the hang of it...
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
*rummages through art supplies*Are blending markers used for blending? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question..
Hrrm, I have a 4 graphite shading pencils (HB, 2B, 4B and 6B) and a .7 mm mechanical pencil, which I mostly use for sketching. I don't have any inking pens but it would be really nice to get one *v* I heard Microns pens are great!
Oh! And I went to my cousin's house (she's a really great artist) and she has boxes full of art supplies and materials including those cool blending markers. I tried to use them aaaand failed :P Just....need to practice more v___v
So I just borrowed a handful of coloring pencils and I am coloring some linearts that I printed from the Coloring Book Thread \o/
Mostly, Prismaclolors and Portfolio brands. I-I think I am getting the hang of it...
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Are blending markers used for blending? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question..
They're just markers that don't leave harsh lines when used correctly, to get kind of a watercolor or paint-like appearance. I have a rather large amount of Prismacolor Premiers and I do rather like them, frankly. Copics are apparently also blendable markers and they're more expensive than Prismacolors, but both are rather costly :0
Here're (http://img02.deviantart.net/5c95/i/2005/180/7/f/prismacolor_marker_tutorial_by_tresmaxwell.jpg) prismacolor (http://blog.prismacolor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/color.jpg) examples (https://apxpression.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/scan0001.jpg) and here're (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436832000000/54ed8642a0d115ba75efab4d_55a55eee29ff7c382b53adc0_rz.jpg) some (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436832000000/55a2e5e07babf38942e0a207_55a4a67bb1dd572ed6c23e77_320.jpg) copic (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436745600000/5223c827976015054a05fab4_55a408d68e75b0ef5d83faf1_320.jpg) examples (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436745600000/5309a707fa4ca968130acdad_55a338667babf38942e0c79d_320.jpg). Copics are reeeeally popular with anime artists @_@
I hope that helped :0 I personally really like my Prismas, but I've had them for years so some are running out and I had no idea how to art when I got them (it was... ehhhh... 5th or 6th grade, when I still pressed painfully hard and didn't know how to shade) so I have less-than-best memories of them. I tried them out more recently though and they do work very well v____v
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 04:34:01 PM
They're just markers that don't leave harsh lines when used correctly, to get kind of a watercolor or paint-like appearance. I have a rather large amount of Prismacolor Premiers and I do rather like them, frankly. Copics are apparently also blendable markers and they're more expensive than Prismacolors, but both are rather costly :0It did :)
Here're (http://img02.deviantart.net/5c95/i/2005/180/7/f/prismacolor_marker_tutorial_by_tresmaxwell.jpg) prismacolor (http://blog.prismacolor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/color.jpg) examples (https://apxpression.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/scan0001.jpg) and here're (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436832000000/54ed8642a0d115ba75efab4d_55a55eee29ff7c382b53adc0_rz.jpg) some (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436832000000/55a2e5e07babf38942e0a207_55a4a67bb1dd572ed6c23e77_320.jpg) copic (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436745600000/5223c827976015054a05fab4_55a408d68e75b0ef5d83faf1_320.jpg) examples (https://i.paigeeworld.com/user-media/1436745600000/5309a707fa4ca968130acdad_55a338667babf38942e0c79d_320.jpg). Copics are reeeeally popular with anime artists @_@
I hope that helped :0 I personally really like my Prismas, but I've had them for years so some are running out and I had no idea how to art when I got them (it was... ehhhh... 5th or 6th grade, when I still pressed painfully hard and didn't know how to shade) so I have less-than-best memories of them. I tried them out more recently though and they do work very well v____v
I like them, maybe I shall invest in some? Idk money might be a problem.
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 04:39:23 PM
It did :)
I like them, maybe I shall invest in some? Idk money might be a problem.
They are fun to work with, but I know they've changed their style recently. It looked like Piney had the newer ones (none of mine are even brushes... //shot) but I have no idea how those ones are :0
Personally, I'd advise you to go for a couple individual ones (they're sold in packs and by individual markers) in some of the basic colors (the ones you think you might end up using the most) and see if you like how they feel so you don't end up down 300 dollars with a ton of markers you hate using :0
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 04:40:49 PM
They are fun to work with, but I know they've changed their style recently. It looked like Piney had the newer ones (none of mine are even brushes... //shot) but I have no idea how those ones are :0They cost $300 a peice?
Personally, I'd advise you to go for a couple individual ones (they're sold in packs and by individual markers) in some of the basic colors (the ones you think you might end up using the most) and see if you like how they feel so you don't end up down 300 dollars with a ton of markers you hate using :0
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 04:50:02 PM
They cost $300 a peice?
Ohhhhn no oo ooooo nonononononononono that would be terrifying. They're usually around four dollars a piece, and although that's still pretty pricey (especially in larger quantities), it's much better than $300 ahaha
The sets cost up to that much depending on the quantity you buy. You can find more on the Prismacolor site (http://www.prismacolor.com/home) and/or Copic marker site (https://www.copicmarker.com) if you're interested :3c
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 04:54:15 PM
Ohhhhn no oo ooooo nonononononononono that would be terrifying. They're usually around four dollars a piece, and although that's still pretty pricey (especially in larger quantities), it's much better than $300 ahahaOk thanks! Not sure how my parents will feel about it though if I need to buy it online. My parents are anti- web shopping
The sets cost up to that much depending on the quantity you buy. You can find more on the Prismacolor site (http://www.prismacolor.com/home) and/or Copic marker site (https://www.copicmarker.com) if you're interested :3c
Post by: Fimbulvarg on July 14, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Ok thanks! Not sure how my parents will feel about it though if I need to buy it online. My parents are anti- web shopping
You'll often find markers in art supply stores, so you might want to check out that possibility if the web is not an option.
Post by: Piney on July 14, 2015, 04:56:20 PM
They are fun to work with, but I know they've changed their style recently. It looked like Piney had the newer ones (none of mine are even brushes... //shot) but I have no idea how those ones are :0
Yeah, most of my newer ones are brush-tips!
(http://i.imgur.com/meowFNI.jpg)
I like them because they make really smooth lines and you can use them like brush pens. [Examples from my (http://i.imgur.com/LtdwSHG.jpg) AP (http://i.imgur.com/PBAzRVQ.jpg) portfolio (http://i.imgur.com/k9wJNM9.jpg) from senior year]
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 04:58:55 PM
Yeah, most of my newer ones are brush-tips!So the tips are like paint brushes?
(http://i.imgur.com/meowFNI.jpg)
I like them because they make really smooth lines and you can use them like brush pens. [Examples from my (http://i.imgur.com/LtdwSHG.jpg) AP (http://i.imgur.com/PBAzRVQ.jpg) portfolio (http://i.imgur.com/k9wJNM9.jpg) from senior year]
Post by: Fimbulvarg on July 14, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
So the tips are like paint brushes?
No, these are markers
(http://cdn.dick-blick.com/items/221/10/22110-7090-3ww-l.jpg)
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:02:16 PM
No, these are markersOhhhh ok thanks :)
(http://cdn.dick-blick.com/items/221/10/22110-7090-3ww-l.jpg)
Post by: Piney on July 14, 2015, 05:03:30 PM
No, these are markers
(http://cdn.dick-blick.com/items/221/10/22110-7090-3ww-l.jpg)
So the tips are like paint brushes?
Nah, these particular ones have tips shaped like brushes, but it's made out of some rubbery material: (tip on the left)
(http://cdn1.cheapjoes.com/806878/magento/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/450x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/G/MGPS-7F7.jpg)
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 05:04:36 PM
Ok thanks! Not sure how my parents will feel about it though if I need to buy it online. My parents are anti- web shopping
They have in-store locations at places at like Michael's (a craft store chain for Florida at least) or art supply stores, so if that's the main problem, don't let it stop you (• w ´• )ᕤ
Oops, fimby ninja'd me B)
Yeah, most of my newer ones are brush-tips!
(http://i.imgur.com/meowFNI.jpg)
I like them because they make really smooth lines and you can use them like brush pens. [Examples from my (http://i.imgur.com/LtdwSHG.jpg) AP (http://i.imgur.com/PBAzRVQ.jpg) portfolio (http://i.imgur.com/k9wJNM9.jpg) from senior year]
Piney, those are really cool! :D They do look fun to work with, but I'm mainly colored pencil-based at this point.
.....speeeeeaking of which................
I LOVE COLORED PENCILS
(http://i.imgur.com/mJJncsi.jpg)
I have the biggest set of Prismacolor softcore colored pencils and they are heaven to work with. Super soft and really blendable with so much color and variety <3 I LOVE THEM SO MUCH almost as much as I love Microns and that's saying something
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Nah, these particular ones have tips shaped like brushes, but it's made out of some rubbery material: (tip on the left)Ohhhh thanks! So they are kind of like felt pens?
(http://cdn1.cheapjoes.com/806878/magento/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/450x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/G/MGPS-7F7.jpg)
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
They have in-store locations at places at like Michael's (a craft store chain for Florida at least) or art supply stores, so if that's the main problem, don't let it stop you (• w ´• )ᕤWow that's a lot of color pencils
Oops, fimby ninja'd me B)
Piney, those are really cool! :D They do look fun to work with, but I'm mainly colored pencil-based at this point.
.....speeeeeaking of which................
I LOVE COLORED PENCILS
(http://i.imgur.com/mJJncsi.jpg)
I have the biggest set of Prismacolor softcore colored pencils and they are heaven to work with. Super soft and really blendable with so much color and variety <3 I LOVE THEM SO MUCH almost as much as I love Microns and that's saying something
Post by: Laufey on July 14, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
After all the awesomeness in this thread, have something entirely anti-climatic: my water colour set. I wasn't even sure if this was worth posting here but eh heh heh...
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AbKzVBl.jpg)What's the tube on the far right for? Is it a white color?
After all the awesomeness in this thread, have something entirely anti-climatic: my water colour set. I wasn't even sure if this was worth posting here but eh heh heh...
Post by: Piney on July 14, 2015, 05:18:51 PM
Ohhhh thanks! So they are kind of like felt pens?
Not sure what you mean when you say felt pens, but if you mean felt-tip, then no - these are bigger and rubbery (meaning they bend, like a brush).
Piney, those are really cool! :D They do look fun to work with, but I'm mainly colored pencil-based at this point.
.....speeeeeaking of which................
I LOVE COLORED PENCILS
(http://i.imgur.com/mJJncsi.jpg)
I have the biggest set of Prismacolor softcore colored pencils and they are heaven to work with. Super soft and really blendable with so much color and variety <3 I LOVE THEM SO MUCH almost as much as I love Microns and that's saying something
Ohoho, my senior non-AP portfolio was almost exclusively (http://claireofcydonia.deviantart.com/art/Tongue-Tied-467094715) colored-pencil (http://claireofcydonia.deviantart.com/art/Madonna-493234974?q=gallery%3Aclaireofcydonia%2F45151525&qo=48) based (http://claireofcydonia.deviantart.com/art/Shroud-427596927?q=gallery%3Aclaireofcydonia%2F45151525&qo=52). (I'm just showing off, sorry) Downside though, I'm lost with colored pencils if I'm not working from a photo. :P I have the 24-set and the portrait set, and my original 12-set.
(http://i.imgur.com/mbiGVXc.jpg)
Post by: Laufey on July 14, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
What's the tube on the far right for? Is it a white color?
Yes, it's white and it's a little "stronger" than the others (apologies, I've no idea how to explain this in English) so it actually shows as white even if painted over other colours.
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 05:23:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AbKzVBl.jpg)
After all the awesomeness in this thread, have something entirely anti-climatic: my water colour set. I wasn't even sure if this was worth posting here but eh heh heh...
Eeeee, I'm surprised there aren't more! :D You have such a great variety of colors in your art that I expected like, four or five more there at least - a testament to your hella great skills ;)
Piney those are really cool too! I haven't used colored pencils for any realism, only pencils and paints (acrylics and oils and soon to be watercolors too), so ehehehe I haven't used any color reference for whatever I've done with them so far. They're just lovely to work with and <3 <3 <3 gOLLY
Yes, it's white and it's a little "stronger" than the others (apologies, I've no idea how to explain this in English) so it actually shows as white even if painted over other colours.
Would the word you're looking for be opaque? :0
Post by: Fimbulvarg on July 14, 2015, 05:27:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AbKzVBl.jpg)
After all the awesomeness in this thread, have something entirely anti-climatic: my water colour set. I wasn't even sure if this was worth posting here but eh heh heh...
Huh. What's the difference between water colour tubes and the solid block ones?
Post by: Guardian G.I. on July 14, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
Due to a combination of Schengen customs tolls and the greediness of local retailers, plenty of art supplies, especially those imported from the EU, are ridiculously overpriced. For example, a very small pack of sketching paper by Daler Rowney costs as much as about 10-12 A4 albums produced locally.
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:29:25 PM
American marker brands (and pencils, and pretty much everything else) are obviously not available here in non-EU Eastern Europe; stuff which is produced elsewhere is ludicrously expensive.What? That's horrible!
Due to a combination of Schengen customs tolls and the greediness of local retailers, plenty of art supplies, especially those imported from the EU, are ridiculously overpriced. For example, a very small pack of sketching paper by Daler Rowney costs as much as about 10-12 A4 albums produced locally.
Post by: Laufey on July 14, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Would the word you're looking for be opaque? :0
YES, yes that's the word, thank you! :D Opaque indeed. When it comes to watercolours you can make endless colour variations if you have just a few base colours, but in fact I was considering getting a few more - a cold tone for red and a warm one for blue...
Huh. What's the difference between water colour tubes and the solid block ones?
I can only answer this by experience but... form, mostly, and you can get a bit more intense colours out of the tube ones. Either way you'll end up dipping your brush in your coffee at some point, or worse, take a swig out of the water mug.
Post by: Guardian G.I. on July 14, 2015, 05:46:19 PM
What? That's horrible!That's true, I'm not joking.
Oh, another fun fact related to art supplies and shopping in general - PayPal is not available here (Republic of Belarus). If you live here, good luck buying anything from Amazon, Ebay, or pretty much everything that doesn't accept Russian electronic currencies like Webmoney. It's easier to buy goods from China than from Europe or America.
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 05:51:35 PM
That's true, I'm not joking.No PayPal??? How do you get art supplies then?? O.o
Oh, another fun fact related to art supplies and shopping in general - PayPal is not available here (Republic of Belarus). If you live here, good luck buying anything from Amazon, Ebay, or pretty much everything that doesn't accept Russian electronic currencies like Webmoney. It's easier to buy goods from China than from Europe or America.
Post by: Guardian G.I. on July 14, 2015, 06:05:11 PM
No PayPal??? How do you get art supplies then?? O.oThere are plenty of art supplies produced locally or in neighbouring non-EU countries which are just as good as the expensive stuff from across the Schengen Zone but much, much cheaper. However, not every shop has all of them, and I sometimes have to look for stuff. For example, the A5 sketchbooks that I use for drawing outdoors are produced in Ukraine and can only be found in a single shop in my city.
Post by: daiseerose on July 14, 2015, 06:06:33 PM
There are plenty of art supplies produced locally or in neighbouring non-EU countries which are just as good as the expensive stuff from across the Schengen Zone but much, much cheaper. However, not every shop has all of them, and I sometimes have to look for stuff. For example, the A5 sketchbooks that I use for drawing outdoors are produced in Ukraine and can only be found in a single shop in my city.Wow! That must be hard :/
Post by: viola on July 14, 2015, 06:23:13 PM
YES, yes that's the word, thank you! :D Opaque indeed. When it comes to watercolours you can make endless colour variations if you have just a few base colours, but in fact I was considering getting a few more - a cold tone for red and a warm one for blue...
I can only answer this by experience but... form, mostly, and you can get a bit more intense colours out of the tube ones. Either way you'll end up dipping your brush in your coffee at some point, or worse, take a swig out of the water mug.
Ahaha I may have almost done this several times... and then there was the time I fell asleep in my paint. Never paint while jetlagged.
Also is the white one gauche? I have some gauche that is the same brand. I know it's like watercolours but less see through.
At some point I'll have to post pictures of the colours I got in Japan and also my hoard of random art supplies. It'll have to be when I'm at home again though :/
Post by: Curry on July 14, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
YES, yes that's the word, thank you! :D Opaque indeed. When it comes to watercolours you can make endless colour variations if you have just a few base colours, but in fact I was considering getting a few more - a cold tone for red and a warm one for blue...
Ahhh that's interesting to know! I have to get some watercolors for my art class this year, actually.
question for all those watercolorists out there! What's a good brand (preferably available in America and all) of watercolors for a beginner that's higher-quality? I have a pretty good budget, but the most expensive is proobably not the best since I'm a smol student and this is for a class.
Post by: mithrysc on July 14, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
Ahhh that's interesting to know! I have to get some watercolors for my art class this year, actually.
question for all those watercolorists out there! What's a good brand (preferably available in America and all) of watercolors for a beginner that's higher-quality? I have a pretty good budget, but the most expensive is proobably not the best since I'm a smol student and this is for a class.
*points to Laufey's watercolor set*
Winsor & Newton Cotman. For all your student- and whatever- artist needs. Good quality, not horribly extravagant price.
Post by: Alethryia on July 15, 2015, 12:20:04 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dvgu95No1XgndiLBc4ajappvd34pE42eE4u9vxi45IY=w1144-h643-no)
Post by: Laufey on July 15, 2015, 04:48:19 AM
The following is what I use for all the watercolors you've seen me post, it is by no means a quality set (just Artist's Loft you can pick up at Michaels) but is suffice for my hobby! ;) I do LOVE these brushes though, they make me so happy! The brushes themselves are filled with water, so you don't need to bring a pot of water with you when painting and I bought them at a Blick store (http://www.dickblick.com/products/niji-waterbrush/).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dvgu95No1XgndiLBc4ajappvd34pE42eE4u9vxi45IY=w1144-h643-no)
These brushes are very relevant to my interests!
Post by: Alethryia on July 15, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Curry, I am so jealous of your colored pencil hoard- so many colors!!! :o
I feel super spoiled now Guardian G.I., I live in a mountain community with basically no quality art supplies, but I just have to drive the hour down the mountain and I have easy access to a plethora of craft stores. :-\
Yes Feartheviolas, post ALL THE PICTURES! :D
Just for good measure ... I am OBSESSED with papercrafts- the amount of embellishments I have is staggering-, so here's a snapshot of my art stuff on the mountain (I may or may not have a ton of art supplies stored in my parents' house down the hill with Trinka... ;) All my acrylic paints/mediums/etc are down there!) The bins are obscuring all my pretties though, I am amazed at the tetris job I was able to pull in these things! (I may actually post pics of specific items if the topic comes up in this thread or I take them out for a project.) Also, I adore my Cricut - limitless card making opportunities!!!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AcaObt0Wfj-DQ37BK_7Sc8eyLyf3mg8WlWN-ZFGCEJE=w1144-h643-no)
Post by: Curry on July 15, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Karma asked me why I have so much art stamina (I've been drawing antiquated fashions in excruciating detail with no middle sketches for literally days) and here's my somewhat-serious advice?? I figured it might help a couple of you guys, or clear up why I'm so motivated.
1. get angry. if you're angry (like i always am) you feel more motivated to crush others with your art
2. look at inspiring things. often i find tutorials inspiring even if i don't need them. don't feel embarrassed if you're looking at tutorials for really basic things like eyes because sometimes they're very eye-opening (HUEHUE) and it's really interesting to see how others think. i also often only find art things inspiring once so if you're going through your inspiration pinterest and not feeling the spark, that is a-ok
3. if you hardcore lose inspiration on something, drop it (at least for the moment), it's not gonna come back within a couple days. im sorry to disappoint you. continuing to try to do it will only make you frustrated and annoyed and you'll lose even more stamina. i'm so sorry
4. just do it. if you're not feeling like anything else do art challenges because you'll get better and hopefully kick some inspiration into your poor, dead hands
5. finish projects while you're still inspired by them because god it's hell after you lose motivation
6. okay i really wasn't joking about the art challenges. for me, if i make itstupidly difficult a challenge, i feel like i'm doing something beneficial with my life and i will continue on until i finish it. even if it is drawing 244 hands in different poses (http://senshistock.deviantart.com/art/50-Hand-Challenge-Pack-244-Hand-References-348847368) and you split it up into 12 a day whenever you feel like it that's okay just do something you need to work on. worst case scenario, you're still not inspired, but gosh dang do you know the folds of the human hand mighty well
2. look at inspiring things. often i find tutorials inspiring even if i don't need them. don't feel embarrassed if you're looking at tutorials for really basic things like eyes because sometimes they're very eye-opening (HUEHUE) and it's really interesting to see how others think. i also often only find art things inspiring once so if you're going through your inspiration pinterest and not feeling the spark, that is a-ok
3. if you hardcore lose inspiration on something, drop it (at least for the moment), it's not gonna come back within a couple days. im sorry to disappoint you. continuing to try to do it will only make you frustrated and annoyed and you'll lose even more stamina. i'm so sorry
4. just do it. if you're not feeling like anything else do art challenges because you'll get better and hopefully kick some inspiration into your poor, dead hands
5. finish projects while you're still inspired by them because god it's hell after you lose motivation
6. okay i really wasn't joking about the art challenges. for me, if i make it
That's mainly how I stay so
Post by: daiseerose on July 16, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
Post by: Curry on July 16, 2015, 02:33:21 PM
What are some good sketch book brands? I have been thinking about getting a new one soon :)
hoo hoo hoo I'm glad you asked
I have had a long and illustrious career of sketchbooking, and a high price doesn't always mean you'll love the sketchbook :0
The first thing you need to decide is if you like spiral-bound notebooks (http://www.rexart.com/media/prat-refill-501-xlg.png) or book-bound notebooks (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kmaUeDIRL.jpg) better. Don't get lined paper you'll regret it and hate yourself later
For spiral-bound notebooks, then you'll need to decide whether you like the spiral at the top (like a reporter's notebook kind of) or at the side (like most of the spiral bounds you'd use in school). The brand Canson has a lot of good notebooks for not that much if you like spirals. I'd advise you to stick with spirals with less pages for this because if you get one of the ones with, like, 100 sheets (like I have done many a time) the pages don't turn very easily and a lot ends up ripping/falling out. (spirals in general are not my fave.)
For book-bound notebooks, there's the choice between hardcover and softcover, mainly based on how heavy you're ok with your sketchbook being. Also with softbound ones there's always a chance of the cover bending. Moleskines come in a bunch of different sizes and are good for both but the covers can be a little plain and the paper is ivory, not white, so coloring in a Moleskine will be different than on normal paper. There are a lot of good book-bound sketchbooks with pretty designs on the cover that aren't a "name brand" per se and they can be just as good as ones from an art brand! :D Barnes and Nobles (a bookstore) has pretty nice ones with cool colors that I used for years. Much thicker paper than Moleskines and also heavier because they only come in hardcover.
Cansons tend to have thicker paper, while Moleskine has thinner sheets.
It's up to you to find out your paper preferences, but sometimes the paper can get a bit too smooth/waxy and the pencil won't hold and it will get everywhere. I've found that Barnes and Nobles sketchbooks have been doing that recently, but who knows, that might be just here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Basically, trial and error until you get a feel for your own likes and dislikes here
Post by: daiseerose on July 16, 2015, 02:40:23 PM
Post by: Alethryia on July 16, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
What are some good sketch book brands? I have been thinking about getting a new one soon :)
I know this was specifically about sketching but I have my two cents to contribute after Curry! You also need to determine if you'll be using it strictly for pencil sketching, or if you want to also introduce things like inks, markers, watercolors, etc. If you want an all-purpose sketchbook you'll want to go with a mix media book as it will handle pretty much anything you throw at it (just not excessive use of liquids) because it's a heavier- but not too heavy- weight paper!
You'll also need to consider size when you're making a purchase, is this one you want to carry in a pocket, purse, satchel, backpack? Size will also constrict the space you have for making pieces, so if you want to do a large intricate piece or sweeping landscape you'll need a larger book (like a 9x12in), but if you tend to work on the small side then a smaller book will suffice (6x9in).
Oh, and on the note of spiral-bound vs book-bound bear in mind if you may want to remove a page (WAY easier in a perforated spiral bound) or if you need the pages to lay flat (you can get a very flat surface with a spiral, because you have to account for the spine in a book-bound sketchbook and that will lead to a curved surface unless you get a specially bound book with lay-flat pages.
The huge number of brands and options is staggering, but it comes down to your budget and preference, so for instance all the work I've done for SSSS is in this Canson Mix Media (98lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 60 pages.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xNFT32XNIpa40ktW9TuPNJDouoitxfs6l95WH5DdAkc=w362-h643-no)
So you can get an idea of the mediums (you'll notice very slight warping around the watercolor pieces) and scale I've worked with:
Spoiler: show
And some other images from various sketchbooks I had lying around!
In the following Bee Paper Company heavyweight recycled paper (70lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 50 pages:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EELOPOLtgkhDIfn1-H_uwBsSoU2AEh_SifQ6R_-IN-k=w362-h643-no)
It works well with the collages I did in this honors art history class I took in 2010/2011, the glue and layering actually makes the pages stronger. It also handles inks (no bleeding) and colored pencils really well.
Spoiler: show
In the following Strathmore recycled paper (60lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 70 pages:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6cAOqncBm8znbXfuWB9P8d7Hpl1f7-ctYr-bK3D5XlQ=w362-h643-no)
You can see how with this thinner paper, you can't use ink on one side and draw anything on the other because it bleeds through! Also, TONS of wrinkles around the watercolors, but okay with acrylics (color wheel example), crayons, and printers inks (owl rub and print). It does work well for pencil and colored pencil work though, as you can see with the super heroine and neolithic campaign characters (fun fact, Abena was Trinka's shaman character) I did in the back of this sketchbook I bought for an Art for Educators class I took in 2012/2013.
Spoiler: show
Sorry this turned out WAY longer and more elaborate than I initially thought it would be!!! :-\
Post by: SugaAndSpice on July 16, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
Not sure what you mean when you say felt pens, but if you mean felt-tip, then no - these are bigger and rubbery (meaning they bend, like a brush).
Felt pens are used on felt, and sometimes fabric, I think?
Post by: daiseerose on July 16, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
I know this was specifically about sketching but I have my two cents to contribute after Curry! You also need to determine if you'll be using it strictly for pencil sketching, or if you want to also introduce things like inks, markers, watercolors, etc. If you want an all-purpose sketchbook you'll want to go with a mix media book as it will handle pretty much anything you throw at it (just not excessive use of liquids) because it's a heavier- but not too heavy- weight paper!Thanks! I will definitely keep this in mind! :)
You'll also need to consider size when you're making a purchase, is this one you want to carry in a pocket, purse, satchel, backpack? Size will also constrict the space you have for making pieces, so if you want to do a large intricate piece or sweeping landscape you'll need a larger book (like a 9x12in), but if you tend to work on the small side then a smaller book will suffice (6x9in).
Oh, and on the note of spiral-bound vs book-bound bear in mind if you may want to remove a page (WAY easier in a perforated spiral bound) or if you need the pages to lay flat (you can get a very flat surface with a spiral, because you have to account for the spine in a book-bound sketchbook and that will lead to a curved surface unless you get a specially bound book with lay-flat pages.
The huge number of brands and options is staggering, but it comes down to your budget and preference, so for instance all the work I've done for SSSS is in this Canson Mix Media (98lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 60 pages.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xNFT32XNIpa40ktW9TuPNJDouoitxfs6l95WH5DdAkc=w362-h643-no)
So you can get an idea of the mediums (you'll notice very slight warping around the watercolor pieces) and scale I've worked with:Spoiler: show
And some other images from various sketchbooks I had lying around!
In the following Bee Paper Company heavyweight recycled paper (70lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 50 pages:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EELOPOLtgkhDIfn1-H_uwBsSoU2AEh_SifQ6R_-IN-k=w362-h643-no)
It works well with the collages I did in this honors art history class I took in 2010/2011, the glue and layering actually makes the pages stronger. It also handles inks (no bleeding) and colored pencils really well.Spoiler: show
In the following Strathmore recycled paper (60lb) 9x12 inch spiral bound book of 70 pages:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6cAOqncBm8znbXfuWB9P8d7Hpl1f7-ctYr-bK3D5XlQ=w362-h643-no)
You can see how with this thinner paper, you can't use ink on one side and draw anything on the other because it bleeds through! Also, TONS of wrinkles around the watercolors, but okay with acrylics (color wheel example), crayons, and printers inks (owl rub and print). It does work well for pencil and colored pencil work though, as you can see with the super heroine and neolithic campaign characters (fun fact, Abena was Trinka's shaman character) I did in the back of this sketchbook I bought for an Art for Educators class I took in 2012/2013.Spoiler: show
Sorry this turned out WAY longer and more elaborate than I initially thought it would be!!! :-\
Post by: SugaAndSpice on July 16, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
Post by: daiseerose on July 16, 2015, 04:52:24 PM
Also, I think it is really cool to have this thread, I didn't see it earlier. I use the iPad for a lot of my art, but when sketching, I use a 005 mechanical pencil, and I don't quite know what pen I use for inking. I use a variety of markers, and colored pencils for coloring.I don't color my drawings very often. I pretty much mess them up when I do
Post by: viola on July 16, 2015, 05:00:37 PM
I also very much need to get some of those magical water holding paint brushes.
Post by: Alethryia on July 16, 2015, 05:00:42 PM
Felt pens are used on felt, and sometimes fabric, I think?
Actually it's based on what the nib is made of, in this case traditionally felt. :)
"felt-tip pen (n) 1. a pen having a writing point made from pressed fibres."
No problemo daiseerose! Coloring things can be scary, but my solution has been take a picture before coloring! That way, if it gets messed up you can always print the picture and tape or glue it back into your sketchbook so you have a reference for with and without color. <3
They are the most best Feartheviolas, I highly recommend them! ;D
Post by: daiseerose on July 16, 2015, 05:10:06 PM
Actually it's based on what the nib is made of, in this case traditionally felt. :)I never thought of doing that! I will definitely try that! :)
"felt-tip pen (n) 1. a pen having a writing point made from pressed fibres."
No problemo daiseerose! Coloring things can be scary, but my solution has been take a picture before coloring! That way, if it gets messed up you can always print the picture and tape or glue it back into your sketchbook so you have a reference for with and without color. <3
they are the most best Feartheviolas, I highly recommend them! ;D
Post by: Curry on July 16, 2015, 05:54:59 PM
Actually it's based on what the nib is made of, in this case traditionally felt. :)
"felt-tip pen (n) 1. a pen having a writing point made from pressed fibres."
I love felt-tip pens so much <3 I prefer them for writing instead of inking/coloring but they feel so smooth and soft and lovely :D
Post by: mithrysc on July 16, 2015, 10:18:52 PM
What are some good sketch book brands? I have been thinking about getting a new one soon :)
Sketchbooks? Ahem. I somewhat obsessively researched sketchbooks a while back, and the result is that I now have far too many. But anyway.
My current favorites are:
Hand Book artists journals (http://www.dickblick.com/products/hand-book-artist-journals/) - hardbound, beautiful colors/covers, and nice thick paper that can handle watercolors, inks, or pencils pretty well.
Strathmore's line of art journals (http://www.strathmoreartist.com/books-journals.html) - I like my hardbound (or at least not spiral bound) sketchbooks, and if you've ever used any paper in art before chances are you've come across Strathmore (in case you haven't, they are a Quality Brand). Lots of different options depending on what media you're using, and quality paper. The downside to the (very nice chocolate-color-covered) binding is that the books don't open completely flat, but that's not too much of a problem depending on what you're doing. I just finished a toned grey hardcover sketchbook, and now have a softcover drawing one, which is holding up nicely despite being thrown around in my backpack.
I've also heard good things about Leuchtturm1917's plain notebooks and sketchbooks, but I haven't yet started the one I got as a test-substitute for a super expensive Moleskine book.
To find the best sketchbook? Go to an actual art store and take a look at the sketchbooks. Feel the papers. Open them and check the bindings (or see if the spiral-ring binding gets in the way of your hand). Take note of the paper and binding type. Then, if you're going shopping online later, you have some comparisons to make, even if there are some small details like paper smoothness that you can't quite check.
Post by: RandomTexanReader on July 16, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
The best sketchbook is one that you will use, and use often.
To find the best sketchbook? Go to an actual art store and take a look at the sketchbooks. Feel the papers. Open them and check the bindings (or see if the spiral-ring binding gets in the way of your hand). Take note of the paper and binding type. Then, if you're going shopping online later, you have some comparisons to make, even if there are some small details like paper smoothness that you can't quite check.
My favorite is the Pentalic Utility Sketchbook (http://www.amazon.com/Pentalic-Utility-Sketch-2-Inch-11-Inch/dp/B0027A5GDM)... the paper isn't super fancy, which is actually a good thing if you're like me, because you don't freeze up over ruining the perfect sheet of art paper, but it gets the job done and it doesn't smear pencil e v e r y w h e r e like the paper in some sketchbooks I've had the misfortune to meet, nor does it shred up when you try to erase. It's primarily for dry mediums, but you can also use watercolor with minimal wrinkling, as long as you don't go overboard with the liquid. It's 8.5 in by 5.5 (21.59 cm by 14.97) so it's about the size of a medium-size paperback, and slips easily into a medium-sized purse. And it's a full 283 pages, so as far as volume goes, this little guy's got you covered.
Post by: Alethryia on July 17, 2015, 12:16:10 PM
Just found these tutorials on YouTube and I found them really useful with a great message! <3
General drawing & habits tutorial: https://youtu.be/oKFfSl-EBfI?list=PL0373FA2B3CD4C899 (https://youtu.be/oKFfSl-EBfI?list=PL0373FA2B3CD4C899)
Some good tips for drawing: https://youtu.be/8tX7y9mu-lM (https://youtu.be/8tX7y9mu-lM)
Preparing traditional art for digital painting: https://youtu.be/zZN10y4KdMw (https://youtu.be/zZN10y4KdMw)
One method & advice for digital inking: https://youtu.be/knmL57Lm5Fg (https://youtu.be/knmL57Lm5Fg)
Also, I try to use reference images whenever possible, I find it helps me keep proportions and forms accurate when drawing.
Spoiler: show
Here are a few of the stock image collections I've been using recently:
1- FaeStock (http://faestock.deviantart.com/gallery/)
2- Pyjama Cake (http://pyjama-cake.deviantart.com/gallery/)
3- SenshiStock (http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/)
Also, the last one has a random pose generator (http://senshistock.com/sketch/)!
Post by: Unwary on July 17, 2015, 10:25:32 PM
(http://orig05.deviantart.net/b183/f/2015/195/b/1/nightbirdink_by_norrolith-d91c0s0.png)
Post by: Montiv on July 18, 2015, 05:28:35 AM
*cracks fingers*
Ok. Let's do this.
Like mithrysc mentioned, Andrew Loomis has one of the most comprehensive and universal books on drawing, and yes, they are avaible for public domain right here (http://lafreebee.com/art-instruction-books-by-andrew-loomis/).
If you guys are just starting to draw (even though everyone should read) a good place to start are with his two books "Succesful Drawing" and "Fun With a Pencil"
I hear the "Famous Artist's Course" is very, VERY helpful. I don't know about buying a hard copy but there are high res scans of various pages on google images.
Anything by Goerge B. Bridgeman if you want to go learn anatomy hardcore.
I've found Micheal Hampton's "Figure Drawing Design and Invention" extremely helpful in the simplification of anatomy.
Ken Hultgren's "The Art of Animal Drawing", explains really well how animals are constructed.
Hermann Baum, Wilhelm Ellenberger and Hermann Dittrich are all names you want to look up if you're interested in animal anatomy.
James Gurney's "Imagintive Realism" and "Color and Light" They're quite advanced books but they are a life saver when you level up a bit higher.
There's also the highly regarded "Drawn to Life Vol.1 & 2" by Walt Stanchfield. Even though it's primarly directed to animator's it still serves as a very good guide to gesture drawing, at least that's what they say.
The "Charles Bargue Drawing Course" (by Charles Bargue). Apparently after googling his name already a pdf of this shows up, it's safe but whether it's ''technically legal'' or not you decide, no one seems to mind though, he's been dead for more than 70 years. Available here (https://vk.com/doc174101046_174324478?hash=63520daf6ba1f0959b&dl=76664a0100b40bd8e5). There are also high res plates that are supposed to be studied, I quickly compiled them in a .zip file (http://www.mediafire.com/download/74yoiem18yc1e8e/Charels_Bargue_Plates.zip) for convienience, but if you don't trust me (who would) you can download manually all of them one by one here (https://picasaweb.google.com/104620822473004383244/CharleBargueBookPlatesDrawings?feat=directlink#).
Also any good perspective book will do, it's by far one of the most important and straight forward subjects to learn.
(I'm sorry I might've gone a little overboard with this but I got more back in my réservoir)
Post by: Noodles on July 24, 2015, 02:23:46 AM
also called "how to make yourself redraw everything 6 times because you won't use guide-shapes"
er. You guys can theoretically edit that, so be nice to it, OK? I don't know how to make it not-editable. :P
Edit: I made an oops and that link doesn't work. Try this one instead: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xiB2xE27X-kgbdykngqzyfAV15lIQ_tt5oNrWu_x_CM/edit?usp=sharing
Post by: Ana Nymus on July 24, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
OK I guess this is a little bit of thread necromancy, but I made a dragon-drawing tutorial
also called "how to make yourself redraw everything 6 times because you won't use guide-shapes"
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xiB2xE27X-kgbdykngqzyfAV15lIQ_tt5oNrWu_x_CM/edit
er. You guys can theoretically edit that, so be nice to it, OK? I don't know how to make it not-editable. :P
As of right now, I can't seem to get onto it, and I really want to see your dragons! :(. Try going into share settings and select "everyone with link can view" (you may have to click on "get shareable link" in the upper right corner of the popup), which will make it so we all can follow the link, and will also fix it so we can't edit anything.
Post by: Noodles on July 24, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
This link should work: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xiB2xE27X-kgbdykngqzyfAV15lIQ_tt5oNrWu_x_CM/edit?usp=sharing
Post by: Ana Nymus on July 24, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
Ah, I just figured out how to do that.
This link should work: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xiB2xE27X-kgbdykngqzyfAV15lIQ_tt5oNrWu_x_CM/edit?usp=sharing
Yay! Dragons!
Post by: Noodles on July 24, 2015, 01:04:03 PM
Yay! Dragons!Yay! I'm glad you liked it.Have I mentioned yet that I really love dragons?I draw the outline using a pretty similar method, but the coloring method was new to me, and I really like how it turned out! *scrabbles for her old crayola pencils* Thanks for sharing ;D
I'm working on one for figures, but it'll be a little bit before it's up. :P
Post by: RandomTexanReader on July 24, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: Piney on July 25, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
I get a 30% employee discount at the art store. Anyone who's been to art school... what supplies should I get for the next three years?
((oops, I meant to answer this before I said goodnight; yes I'm still awake))
-Lots of pencils
-Colored pencils (Prismacolor is the best)
-Pens/brush pens - a personal preference
-Lots and lots of sketchbooks, because you may as well stock up
-Also probably drawing paper if you're going to art school yourself; I've had to use a lot of it
...okay, going to sleep for real now. I'll be able to think of more things in the morning, I'm sure.
Post by: RandomTexanReader on July 25, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
((oops, I meant to answer this before I said goodnight; yes I'm still awake))Thank you! Now I'm 12 pencils, one brush, two pens, two notebooks (250+ sheets) richer aaaand $70 poorer.
-Lots of pencils
-Colored pencils (Prismacolor is the best)
-Pens/brush pens - a personal preference
-Lots and lots of sketchbooks, because you may as well stock up
-Also probably drawing paper if you're going to art school yourself; I've had to use a lot of it
...okay, going to sleep for real now. I'll be able to think of more things in the morning, I'm sure.
I understand why art supplies cost what they do, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. At least I'm not choosing between art supplies and food...
yet.
Post by: bread on July 25, 2015, 08:56:18 PM
Human anatomy and face proportions:
http://foervraengd.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-ANATOMY-part-I-220251993
http://foervraengd.deviantart.com/art/MANGA-to-REALISTIC-PART-ONE-215317699
Hands:
http://wraeclast.deviantart.com/art/Hand-Construction-Step-by-Step-473785211
http://euraly.deviantart.com/art/Hand-and-Fingers-Resource-Tutorial-360376327
http://nemonova.deviantart.com/art/Hand-Tutorial-Notes-489982604
Cloth:
http://janemere.deviantart.com/art/How-to-Draw-Cloth-The-Basics-213019261
http://euraly.deviantart.com/art/Tutorial-Clothing-Folds-1-176116285
http://euraly.deviantart.com/art/The-BASICS-Folds-Wrinkles-215670954
Values:
http://sandara.deviantart.com/art/simple-lighting-tutorial-424824632
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/021.php
Animals:
Wolfs: http://euraly.deviantart.com/art/Wolf-Anatomy-Part-1-330363684
Birds: http://www.johnmuirlaws.com/drawing-birds
Some cool websites for practising:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://euraly.deviantart.com/art/Face-variety-challenge-542446410
http://napalmnacey.deviantart.com/art/25-Essential-Expressions-55523083
Art tutorial channels:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Sycra
https://www.youtube.com/user/sinixdesign
https://www.youtube.com/user/bluefley00
Post by: starfallz on July 25, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
Current-ish sketch books (actually the large one is my previous one) and old sketch books.
(http://i.imgur.com/vhYpqzP.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/JQXspPB.jpg)
Travel Everywhere Pencil Case. Often seen with current sketchbook. Pen case (seen when there might be a chance of inking something)
(http://i.imgur.com/6A68WnI.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0P3i9n7.jpg)
Some color pencils. And art area, with some of my watercolors and brushes
(http://i.imgur.com/LAGzqUO.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/SbyWKKx.jpg)
Post by: Ana Nymus on July 25, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
I also got a whole bunch of tutorials that I found on the internetz. I don't know if these are helpful or not, but I hope they are.
(all that good stuff)
Ooh, I'm going to have to take a closer look at a lot of these, especially the hand/cloth ones. Seriously, I cannot for the life of me figure out hands. Thanks for the suggestions!
Also, welcome to the forum! Head over to the Introduction thread: I hear they have cookies ;D
Post by: bread on July 26, 2015, 06:05:31 AM
Ooh, I'm going to have to take a closer look at a lot of these, especially the hand/cloth ones. Seriously, I cannot for the life of me figure out hands. Thanks for the suggestions!
Also, welcome to the forum! Head over to the Introduction thread: I hear they have cookies ;D
I didn't even notice that. :P Thank you
Post by: viola on July 29, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
To start out, my different fountain pens and inks. I don't usually use the really fancy one, but the rest are pretty regular. The black one with the cap and the wide tip is a calligraphy pen and that's what I've used to do the writing you've seen on here
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/20mr8ZB6-4WCl2YqaCtwPFULBt2CGMIbnLcvkvYW5xk=w845-h631-no)
Inks, stamps, embossing ink, embossing powder
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FLpMNMYQqxOpqifeYj3nitbzNy7aXu4DUNZL2DQqNfE=w845-h631-no)
Wax, those things you press into the wax what are they called... seals, glitter, tape with music notes and words on it, two bottles of gouache
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RWo2irait6nSPvhF3fZ4TAAB-6DOqmDaxR7bgmsN8ok=w845-h631-no)
More paint! Alcohol paint, acrylic paint, stains, crackle dry paint, and markers that look kinda neat and have a fwooshy tip and a writing tip
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dpjYSykLbHitMdJIT0xv2Mz_Hsia5u_vqV7N0oK-30o=w845-h631-no)
Alllll the pencil-crayons!!! I think I have 60 different colours. I've had them for years, my oldest method of colouring
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fdzFx0voKvxQswGEEQWL1xfCxRSFBs8vBL_68DVTD-o=w845-h631-no)
Origami paper! And some random parchment paper
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ar22wndW2nlA_0iawru8DXjIYRZbXjLWIrzTC5VeX3U=w845-h631-no)
Two really old boxes of chalk pastels and a really old bag of oil pastels. I have no idea where they came from. I rescued them from the family art cabinet because no one else was using them
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QAdRAtU5eReOeJQb-6LRAE5QDH2DcBRD6dy4OoCroq0=w845-h631-no)
I have this little box full of found items: keys, love note, chocolate bar wrappers, can wrappers, lace, a bag of soot, etc. and other random scraps of paper and some brads and butterflies
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ozz8YudbQO98X7rQmW_CC5un7BZGl_hKzOptEr0I0iw=w845-h631-no)
More paper! I currently have two stacks of scrapbook paper and a ton of random scraps because I don't like to throw them out. There's also some photos I took and some stuff I'm working on right now
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-2PLR0oG8uC3nioZGKv9rVLBx6zFEIzgQtsmYH51g0=w845-h631-no)
My scrapbooks: the one on the left is Vinstri (ha it matches it's name) and the one on the right is not finished yet so has no name. They're full of photos, sketches, poems, collages, and other random art from the last 2 1/2 years of my life
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tndgwJvQrqdUsS_RdQoNMsgA9IK77h6q3gejOScVVhc=w845-h631-no)
Uhhhhhhhhhhh this one is really embarassing.... ummmmmm these are my watercolours. Why I need three sets of watercolours I have no idea. It just sorta happened. Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eLoUyJdkvhLJWxpJpvs3nC7KtOrk45VhAeg1D2diguU=w845-h631-no)
(Laufey, the blue paper block is the paper I used for the drawing I gave you, if you were wondering what brand it was. I think I got it at wallmart or something) Also also Laufey can vouch for my incredible self control at the art store in Iceland when I didn't buy more sets of watercolours. ::)
And everything fits nicely into these little boxes so I can take it all with me when I move :D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nspVVcpq1Bw2aUmEHLTUk_Ho3x626tmL2hsR0BbAHIE=w845-h631-no)
And that's basically all the art supplies I own. At the moment. It's always growing. Exponentially. Also sorry this is so long. I'm all done now.
Post by: daiseerose on July 29, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Ok so I don't know if anyone's still posting things here, but I am finally home and able to take pictures of my random art stuff if anyone's interested. My art supplies are mostly kinda like leftover dinners. A little bit of this and a little bit of that. I think the only paint I don't have is oil paint.
To start out, my different fountain pens and inks. I don't usually use the really fancy one, but the rest are pretty regular. The black one with the cap and the wide tip is a calligraphy pen and that's what I've used to do the writing you've seen on here
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/20mr8ZB6-4WCl2YqaCtwPFULBt2CGMIbnLcvkvYW5xk=w845-h631-no)
Inks, stamps, embossing ink, embossing powder
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FLpMNMYQqxOpqifeYj3nitbzNy7aXu4DUNZL2DQqNfE=w845-h631-no)
Wax, those things you press into the wax what are they called... seals, glitter, tape with music notes and words on it, two bottles of gouache
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RWo2irait6nSPvhF3fZ4TAAB-6DOqmDaxR7bgmsN8ok=w845-h631-no)
More paint! Alcohol paint, acrylic paint, stains, crackle dry paint, and markers that look kinda neat and have a fwooshy tip and a writing tip
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dpjYSykLbHitMdJIT0xv2Mz_Hsia5u_vqV7N0oK-30o=w845-h631-no)
Alllll the pencil-crayons!!! I think I have 60 different colours. I've had them for years, my oldest method of colouring
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fdzFx0voKvxQswGEEQWL1xfCxRSFBs8vBL_68DVTD-o=w845-h631-no)
Origami paper! And some random parchment paper
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ar22wndW2nlA_0iawru8DXjIYRZbXjLWIrzTC5VeX3U=w845-h631-no)
Two really old boxes of chalk pastels and a really old bag of oil pastels. I have no idea where they came from. I rescued them from the family art cabinet because no one else was using them
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QAdRAtU5eReOeJQb-6LRAE5QDH2DcBRD6dy4OoCroq0=w845-h631-no)
I have this little box full of found items: keys, love note, chocolate bar wrappers, can wrappers, lace, a bag of soot, etc. and other random scraps of paper and some brads and butterflies
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ozz8YudbQO98X7rQmW_CC5un7BZGl_hKzOptEr0I0iw=w845-h631-no)
More paper! I currently have two stacks of scrapbook paper and a ton of random scraps because I don't like to throw them out. There's also some photos I took and some stuff I'm working on right now
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_-2PLR0oG8uC3nioZGKv9rVLBx6zFEIzgQtsmYH51g0=w845-h631-no)
My scrapbooks: the one on the left is Vinstri (ha it matches it's name) and the one on the right is not finished yet so has no name. They're full of photos, sketches, poems, collages, and other random art from the last 2 1/2 years of my life
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tndgwJvQrqdUsS_RdQoNMsgA9IK77h6q3gejOScVVhc=w845-h631-no)
Uhhhhhhhhhhh this one is really embarassing.... ummmmmm these are my watercolours. Why I need three sets of watercolours I have no idea. It just sorta happened. Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh....And to think I wanted to buy more in Iceland....I think I might have a small watercolour buying problem. Someone help me.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eLoUyJdkvhLJWxpJpvs3nC7KtOrk45VhAeg1D2diguU=w845-h631-no)
(Laufey, the blue paper block is the paper I used for the drawing I gave you, if you were wondering what brand it was. I think I got it at wallmart or something) Also also Laufey can vouch for my incredible self control at the art store in Iceland when I didn't buy more sets of watercolours. ::)
And everything fits nicely into these little boxes so I can take it all with me when I move :D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nspVVcpq1Bw2aUmEHLTUk_Ho3x626tmL2hsR0BbAHIE=w845-h631-no)
And that's basically all the art supplies I own. At the moment. It's always growing. Exponentially. Also sorry this is so long. I'm all done now.
Wow! I love your writing pens!!!! You have so much cool awesome things!
Post by: misea on August 04, 2015, 03:06:34 AM
Spoiler: show
Post by: Gwenno on August 05, 2015, 08:23:15 AM
Gwenno said she'd like to see a tutorial from me earlier, and then I remembered that I saved a jillion different versions of my drawing of Alethryia's SSSSona, Johanna, so bad explanations about things here we come!Spoiler: show
Yayyyyy ^_^ I'm so glad you had these saved up, thank you! I'm just starting to learn how to do digital art and tutorials like this are such a huge help :3
I'm having a bit of trouble seeing one of your pictures (http://i.imgur.com/29v6Z1K.png), but I'm not sure if that's just my computer being old? Also, no wonder your pictures look so good if you spend so much time on them, although the 'caution to the wind' approach sounds exhausting! Hopefully now that you're finished with that one your sleeping schedule will be kinder :)
Post by: Lenny on August 05, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
Someone said dragons.
Have a very sketchy dragon tutorial that I drew up just now:
(Yes, I will clean this up, and probably use a text tool, and also draw up a second part... but later! For now I only hope that my handwriting is somewhat legible...)
(Also. If you in any way can, pick up some of Jessica Peffer's -aka Neondragon- books on dragons. She is extraordinarily good at explaining how dragons work. Her tutorials are excellent.)
Spoiler: show
Few main points on dragons:
- Skeletons are important. Need to know where the hips are, ribcage, joints, etc. etc. etc. There's no way on earth that you can get it 100% realistic or anything, because there are no dragons to copy from, but you still need to know where all of those things are, so you can properly pose dragons.
- Wings are like an arm! You can use your own for easy reference, but best is probably a bat's. Unless you're into feathered dragons (which are awesome things) - then you need to go search up how a bird's wing functions. Depending on the style of flight you want your dragon to have, sea eagles are good, swallows, hummingbirds... If you're into underwater dragons, try looking at sea horses and sea dragons and fish and things, see if you can design a wing type that would function well for swimming purposes. Certain sea birds (penguins, for example) are good to study, too. You could even replace it with fins instead.
- After the skeleton/structural things are settled, the rest is all up to you. Want a lizardy-looking dragon? Check what makes a lizard look like a lizard and add that (stubby legs, hand-like feet, folds, scales, bellyscales, flat head...). Sea dragon-like dragon? Study sea dragons and sea horses. Seriously cool stuff there - very delicate facial structure, lots of decorative membrane, very bony looking and ethereal. And so on and so forth! The sky is the limit.
- Seriously. Dragons are probably the coolest thing to draw ever. Have tons of fun, practise a LOT (I've been seriously drawing dragons for 7 years now), and use your imagination.
Post by: misea on August 05, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
Yayyyyy ^_^ I'm so glad you had these saved up, thank you! I'm just starting to learn how to do digital art and tutorials like this are such a huge help :3
I'm having a bit of trouble seeing one of your pictures (http://i.imgur.com/29v6Z1K.png), but I'm not sure if that's just my computer being old? Also, no wonder your pictures look so good if you spend so much time on them, although the 'caution to the wind' approach sounds exhausting! Hopefully now that you're finished with that one your sleeping schedule will be kinder :)
I'm glad it's helpful! c: And the versions of that picture are all on a 4000 x 6000 pixel canvas, so I'm not surprised you're having a hard time viewing it (my computer, which isn't that old but got dropped, takes a good few minutes to load it in SAI). Hahaha, I don't even notice until around morning when I stay up drawing; I followed the take-a-break approach this time though 'cause art block is very blocky
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on August 05, 2015, 05:03:35 PM
Spoiler: show
Post by: Curry on August 07, 2015, 12:01:09 AM
Finished product:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/eb2846e0ef7afdb6b8ca8406a2f5ad78/tumblr_nsp0jyvcMK1suxlkro1_1280.png) (http://cvrryspice.tumblr.com/post/126065459988/not-my-fave-but-i-finished-it-so-i-mainly)
Time spent: 2 hours
Spoiler: ♡hair painting tutorial♡ • show
Post by: KicknRun on August 07, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
I did a tutorial paint because KicknRun asked about hair and hair is my jam
Finished product:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/eb2846e0ef7afdb6b8ca8406a2f5ad78/tumblr_nsp0jyvcMK1suxlkro1_1280.png) (http://cvrryspice.tumblr.com/post/126065459988/not-my-fave-but-i-finished-it-so-i-mainly)
Time spent: 2 hoursSpoiler: ♡hair painting tutorial♡ • show
hhaha i wans't actually expecting a response thank you
but uh
um
frickylie diddle waddle
frack
i still have no idea how hair works i suppose i have to practice that,
Post by: Haiz on August 07, 2015, 04:39:10 AM
i still have no idea how hair works i suppose i have to practice that,(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ca8d7a6591f3066d6775f74f3b931175/tumblr_nmnjhbTsxi1r6soqlo2_r1_540.png)
it was time i reposted the """tutorial""" i drew for the self-insert thread a million years back
not that it's actually helpful but hey. fwoosh
Post by: Curry on August 08, 2015, 11:49:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XRAMb4k.jpg)
They're resting on my computer because currently my computer screen is the brightest light in this house. They're both mechanical pencils and that little square case is the spare lead :3c I'm so happy with both of them, but I prefer using the blue the most :0
Post by: daiseerose on August 08, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
I mentioned getting some supercute stuff in the Little Moments of Happiness thread, and here I am with better pictures!
(http://i.imgur.com/XRAMb4k.jpg)
They're resting on my computer because currently my computer screen is the brightest light in this house. They're both mechanical pencils and that little square case is the spare lead :3c I'm so happy with both of them, but I prefer using the blue the most :0
ohhhh! where did you get them from?
Post by: Curry on August 08, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
ohhhh! where did you get them from?
There's a new store in my mall with lots of Japanese candy and anime
Post by: viola on August 09, 2015, 01:23:51 AM
Post by: Daéa Reina on August 09, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
I mentioned getting some supercute stuff in the Little Moments of Happiness thread, and here I am with better pictures!
(http://i.imgur.com/XRAMb4k.jpg)
They're resting on my computer because currently my computer screen is the brightest light in this house. They're both mechanical pencils and that little square case is the spare lead :3c I'm so happy with both of them, but I prefer using the blue the most :0
I don't know what is cuter in this picture: the pencils or your keyboard. <3
Post by: Curry on August 09, 2015, 05:25:43 PM
I don't know what is cuter in this picture: the pencils or your keyboard. <3
Eeee, thank you! I actually got the keyboard cover at my museum :P It matches my computer case (which is also teal and covered in stickers)
Post by: Alethryia on August 11, 2015, 02:14:34 AM
Feartheviolas, I see an uncanny amount of overlap in our art stashes, we could probably be crafting buddies! ;)
Curry, Trinka has those cute little guys too, she comes home with all the cutest school supplies from the Japanese store called Tokyo Living in our local mall.
Post by: starfallz on August 11, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
starfallz, I like the portability of your supplies! I need that kind of flexibility.
Heh. I used to take things to conventions sometimes, so I needed a good way to transport them. :D
Post by: Sadoka on August 11, 2015, 08:37:26 PM
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w80/sadokaytrap/Dodecahedron_zpsifwvovmg.jpeg)
It took quite a long time to make, but I'm really happy with it! You can see below that it's made of multiple, small pieces, which are made of smaller pieces, which are made of even smaller pieces (30 in total). Each of these is from a single square of paper, and are easy to fold, but take a long time to make in bulk. (If you want to learn how to make one, this website (http://www.origami-instructions.com/modular-sonobe-unit.html) is rather helpful)
As far as I can tell, they are basically the legos of origami. If you have enough, you can make some really cool stuff! (As in geometric birds and swords and fancy polyhedrons)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w80/sadokaytrap/dod%20disassembly1_zpsgvmz8pox.jpeg) (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w80/sadokaytrap/dod%20disassembly2_zpsnqelgnsa.jpeg)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w80/sadokaytrap/dod%20disassembly3_zpsrzt8ivn1.jpeg) (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w80/sadokaytrap/dod%20disassembly4_zpsbgjus9lx.jpeg)
And it's also technically a "small triambic icosahedron" according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_triambic_icosahedron), if any one really likes geometry. :)
Post by: Sc0ut on August 16, 2015, 05:54:46 AM
Here it is: http://www.shadowscapes.com/tutorials/foxspirit/wc.php
Post by: Curry on August 16, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
From what I've seen in this thread so far, it's mostly for self-made tutorials, but I don't have any. However I'm here because I remembered about THE tutorial that "showed me the light" as far as watercolours are concerned. Warning: it's long and intimidating. I was definitely intimidated when I first saw it, I didn't have all those materials (and still don't), but following it as close as possible in a couple of paintings opened my eyes to what it's possible to do with watercolours, and I've never looked back. I didn't end up painting like the artist who made it, but it's taught me *so* much.
Here it is: http://www.shadowscapes.com/tutorials/foxspirit/wc.php
Oooo, this is really cool! Now I wish I already had my watercolors (need them for school but alas, I have not bought them yet) so I could test this out :___3c
Post by: Piney on August 16, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
Not a valid vimeo URL
Post by: Rabbit on August 16, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
From what I've seen in this thread so far, it's mostly for self-made tutorials, but I don't have any. However I'm here because I remembered about THE tutorial that "showed me the light" as far as watercolours are concerned. Warning: it's long and intimidating. I was definitely intimidated when I first saw it, I didn't have all those materials (and still don't), but following it as close as possible in a couple of paintings opened my eyes to what it's possible to do with watercolours, and I've never looked back. I didn't end up painting like the artist who made it, but it's taught me *so* much.
Here it is: http://www.shadowscapes.com/tutorials/foxspirit/wc.php
Yeeeeap, I am never going to have the patience for watercolours. Not ever :')
Post by: Sc0ut on August 16, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Yeeeeap, I am never going to have the patience for watercolours. Not ever :')
Funny, I've never thought of painting as requiring patience. I usually achieve flow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)) and it's really enjoyable and time seems to fly (this sounds pretentious as hell but it's true). Also, I work on a couple of paintings at once, or get up and do other things, so there's no sitting around watching paint dry.
This tutorial describes probably THE most complicated and time-consuming way to paint with watercolours. There are many other ways to use them, faster and probably more fun... but I'll stop rambling, I'm not some sort of watercolour evangelist :) It can't be everyone's thing, and that's ok.
though imho if you have patience for puzzles, you have patience for watercolours
Post by: Rabbit on August 16, 2015, 04:58:40 PM
Funny, I've never thought of painting as requiring patience. I usually achieve flow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)) and it's really enjoyable and time seems to fly (this sounds pretentious as hell but it's true). Also, I work on a couple of paintings at once, or get up and do other things, so there's no sitting around watching paint dry.
This tutorial describes probably THE most complicated and time-consuming way to paint with watercolours. There are many other ways to use them, faster and probably more fun... but I'll stop rambling, I'm not some sort of watercolour evangelist :) It can't be everyone's thing, and that's ok.
though imho if you have patience for puzzles, you have patience for watercolours
Scout, I always end up with stains in my pen drawings because I have trouble sitting still long enough to watch marker ink dry :')
I'll just leave watercolours to people who can enjoy them :D
puzzles don't require you to keep your hands off every five minutes to avoid ruining the result
Post by: jesty on August 16, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Not a tutorial, but here's a video of how I do my lines! It's better than the last video because it shows the whole process (and demonstrates the *swoop* I've mentioned:
*is a amazed by Piney's swoopiness and precision* :O
That is so awesome! I will keep this in mind if I ever get you for the art style swap. B)
Post by: Piney on August 16, 2015, 08:20:12 PM
*is a amazed by Piney's swoopiness and precision* :O
That is so awesome! I will keep this in mind if I ever get you for the art style swap. B)
Thanks!! ;D It's also up on my tumblr if you want to save it as a reference or anything!
Post by: Unwary on August 16, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
Hope to keep it up for longer this time.
(http://orig07.deviantart.net/9d67/f/2015/228/c/7/nightbirdwire_by_norrolith-d95zcqw.png)
(http://orig06.deviantart.net/f085/f/2015/228/f/1/nightbirdflight_by_norrolith-d95zcqp.png)
Post by: Curry on August 18, 2015, 08:51:15 PM
feline, canine, avian, human, dragon, equine, cervine, ursine, background, clothing, and so much more please look at this and be as happy as I am
Post by: Ana Nymus on August 18, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
Hello yes I have a GIANT index of tutorials right here (http://norisus.tumblr.com/post/41310512490/a-tutorial-masterpost) and ggggolly they have pretty much EVERYTHING
feline, canine, avian, human, dragon, equine, cervine, ursine, background, clothing, and so much more please look at this and be as happy as I am
*was just about to ask if anyone knew some good background tutorials*
THANK YOU!
Post by: bread on August 19, 2015, 01:22:56 AM
Hello yes I have a GIANT index of tutorials right here (http://norisus.tumblr.com/post/41310512490/a-tutorial-masterpost) and ggggolly they have pretty much EVERYTHING
feline, canine, avian, human, dragon, equine, cervine, ursine, background, clothing, and so much more please look at this and be as happy as I am
Oh my... This is perfect! ;D THANK YOU for all of these tutorials.
Post by: KicknRun on August 19, 2015, 01:55:40 AM
Post by: bread on August 19, 2015, 04:01:45 AM
okay does anybody have any advice for drawing landscapes and stuff because i'm playing game and im gettin the urge to draw but all of the things i want are landscape'y and stuff because i like suffering
I don't have that many tips or tutorials on drawing backgrounds, but I'll try.
I heard that it is good when doing backgrounds or still life to concentrate on values, so you would have values that would be almost black or almost white. I don't have many tips, I mostly just have tutorials. :P
Here's some tutorials:
http://ncrossanimation.tumblr.com/post/108123550352/heres-a-background-tutorial-that-was-intended-to
http://introducingemy.deviantart.com/art/Background-Tutorial-163347865
http://grypwolf.deviantart.com/art/Stone-Tutorial-209083572 Drawing stones
http://www.minnasundberg.fi/tutorials.php Minna's tutorials seem to have quite a few tutorials for backgrounds such as stars, grass and rocks.
http://cgcookie.deviantart.com/art/Cloud-Tutorial-Reference-472638831 Drawing clouds
Here's some step by step drawings of backgrounds:
http://sandara.deviantart.com/art/Abandoned-Station-steps-485883788
http://sandara.deviantart.com/art/enemy-at-the-gates-stepbystep-134674463
Post by: Sc0ut on August 19, 2015, 04:05:42 AM
okay does anybody have any advice for drawing landscapes and stuff because i'm playing game and im gettin the urge to draw but all of the things i want are landscape'y and stuff because i like suffering
Look at landscape photos and draw what you see. Do this many with many types of landscapes, and spend a limited amount of time on each: 15, 30 minutes or whatever makes you hurry, but still gives you time to do *something*. You'll teach yourself all you need to know with some practice. For starters, remember to focus more on the big picture rather than on details.
Also, it really helps to know your drawing program well and use its tools (and keyboard shortcuts) to make your drawing faster and easier.
Post by: Trinka on August 19, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
YES, YOU!
DO YOU GET TIRED OF ALWAYS SMUDGING YOUR SKETCHES WHEN YOU WIPE OFF THE ERASER DUST?!?
I KNOW I SURE DO!
WELL SAY GOODBYE TOO GRAPHITE STAINED HANDS!
INTRODUCING... THE MOP BRUSH!!!
USE IT TO WIPE OFF YOUR PICTURES, NO MORE MESS, NO MORE HASSLE! GET YOUR MOP BRUSH TODAAAAAYYYYY
(https://www.guirys.com/sites/default/files/product/1/5/8/2/3/5/5519S-1-2.jpg)
*but seriously tho, they will make your life so much easier, really helps to keep your sketches clean*
Post by: misea on August 19, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
HEY YOU!
YES, YOU!
DO YOU GET TIRED OF ALWAYS SMUDGING YOUR SKETCHES WHEN YOU WIPE OFF THE ERASER DUST?!?
I KNOW I SURE DO!
WELL SAY GOODBYE TOO GRAPHITE STAINED HANDS!
INTRODUCING... THE MOP BRUSH!!!
USE IT TO WIPE OFF YOUR PICTURES, NO MORE MESS, NO MORE HASSLE! GET YOUR MOP BRUSH TODAAAAAYYYYY
(https://www.guirys.com/sites/default/files/product/1/5/8/2/3/5/5519S-1-2.jpg)
*but seriously tho, they will make your life so much easier, really helps to keep your sketches clean*
I NEED TO BUY ONE
Post by: mithrysc on August 19, 2015, 10:01:19 PM
HEY YOU!
YES, YOU!
DO YOU GET TIRED OF ALWAYS SMUDGING YOUR SKETCHES WHEN YOU WIPE OFF THE ERASER DUST?!?
I KNOW I SURE DO!
WELL SAY GOODBYE TOO GRAPHITE STAINED HANDS!
INTRODUCING... THE MOP BRUSH!!!
USE IT TO WIPE OFF YOUR PICTURES, NO MORE MESS, NO MORE HASSLE! GET YOUR MOP BRUSH TODAAAAAYYYYY
*but seriously tho, they will make your life so much easier, really helps to keep your sketches clean*
I have one of the Official Artist Tool Versions (https://www.google.com/search?q=drawing+board+dusting+brush&es_sm=93&biw=1192&bih=721&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMI2LOrjci2xwIVyDU-Ch16DAdS) of this. Brushes will seriously make your life so much easier when drawing with smudge-y things, though.
Post by: Guardian G.I. on August 20, 2015, 07:48:09 AM
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The first video "Getting Better At Painting" is very important - breaking a complex task into manageable little tasks is the only way to take on something really difficult. Otherwise, you'll be overwhelmed.
Post by: Ana Nymus on August 20, 2015, 10:04:14 AM
The following videos aren't actually tutorials, but they are very useful anyway. Success in art often depends on your mindset - Matt Kohr, the awesome guy from Ctrl-Paint.com made several videos dealing with the psychological side of learning to draw/paint, such as being motivated, making progress, etc.
/me did not know she needed this
/me definitely needs this
Thank you!
Post by: JoB on August 22, 2015, 09:15:51 AM
DO YOU GET TIRED OF ALWAYS SMUDGING YOUR SKETCHES WHEN YOU WIPE OFF THE ERASER DUST?!?... wouldn't you actually want to (blow or) vacuum anything that's prone to smudgeing off the paper, rather than finding something different to (still) wipe with?
INTRODUCING... THE MOP BRUSH!!!
Post by: Curry on August 27, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
My wacom bamboo default nibs were wearing down waaayyyy too fast on me and weren't soft/natural enough for me, so I ordered some hard felt nibs instead, and they're fantastic. So smooth that it feels like real pencil, actually! I'm not sure about the durability, but these ones are lovely so far :D
Post by: Trinka on August 28, 2015, 06:29:41 PM
So I thought I would take an inventory of what I already have, and have come to the conclusion that WOW I HAVE A LOT OF ART STUFF, what the actual heck? The sad thing is, I know I'm gonna need even more this semester (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Every teacher has different specifications on what they prefer, and every different art form requires specialized supplies. This is why we are called, "starving artists". But on the bright side, I do have lots of shiny art supplies that I am free to experiment with, so there's that, which is nice.
Paint brushes ( I need to get some more for a watercolor class I'm going to be taking orz )
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11914731_10154147310068222_107432041608653828_o.jpg)
Pens, both brush tip and fine point for inking. Also some metallic Sharpies in there, which are super cool!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11899761_10154147310053222_3401940022842077074_o.jpg)
Markers, and my swanky art bag for holding them.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11921735_10154147310058222_9097061630472132052_o.jpg)
Oil pastels and conte sticks.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11934569_10154147311063222_7362483742662151259_o.jpg)
Watercolor paints and pencils (which I might or might not be too afraid to try out, any suggestions from someone who has used the pencils before?)
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11900138_10154147311073222_7126012352089939074_o.jpg)
Colored pencils (my sadly depleted Castell-Pollychrome collection and some cruddy Crayolas and Rosearts)
Plus the traveling case that comes with a whole variety of different supplies.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/t31.0-8/11958190_10154147311123222_8154200654695430363_o.jpg)
The contents of my art box: Blending stumps, vine charcoal, compressed charcoal, conte sticks, charcoal pencils, chalk pencils, conte pencils, PhotoBlue pencils, graphite pencils, eraser sticks, bamboo brushes, ink, sculpting tools, pencil sharpeners, and pencil covers.
Yes, I do indeed need to shove all that stuff in there and tote it with me to classes.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11895178_10154147312048222_5797528574247808036_o.jpg)
My supply of acrylic paints, which I REFUSE TO BUY MORE OF, CURRENT CLASS SUPPLY LIST BE DAMNED!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/t31.0-8/11951482_10154147312258222_5853121060264799285_o.jpg)
Oil paints, thinner, linseed oil, Liquin, turpenoid, brush cleaner, palette knives, and a stereotypical rag I use while painting.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11934552_10154147312268222_1058303496022728879_o.jpg)
And my adorable Japanese supplies I use for classwork. (*^3^)/~☆
(The pencil covers are SUPER USEFUL by the way. They are great for making sure your sharpened art pencils don;t get their leads broken, and ensure the container you are keeping them in doesn't get all dirty from them rubbing all over it. Plus they are KAWAII AS ALL HECK)
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10847522_10153522250628222_2651135525957603906_o.jpg)
Post by: Curry on August 28, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Post by: Trinka on August 29, 2015, 02:29:15 AM
Huuuu, so many beautiful art supplies :_____3c I'm jealous, Trinka ;) I might end up going to art school, though, so perhaps that will be me in 2-3 years??Yes, they are indeed lovely to look upon, what is not so lovely to look at is the bill you will wrack up. And the addiction that comes with going into any art store: you enter needing a new eraser, and leave with 2 bags of new stuff you don't even really need
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5a828099bd6b66b6cce5431f91a80d44/tumblr_inline_nlmtt6nuFr1r2g2kx_500.png)
Sooo, yeah,
If anyone needs some answers about art supplies or being an art major in general, I've probably got you covered:
(I didn't even include the boxes of glass I have from last semester ah hah hah)
Post by: KauniitaUnia on August 29, 2015, 05:03:01 AM
I'm committing necromancy on this thread here to give some advice regarding tablet pen nibs :0
My wacom bamboo default nibs were wearing down waaayyyy too fast on me and weren't soft/natural enough for me, so I ordered some hard felt nibs instead, and they're fantastic. So smooth that it feels like real pencil, actually! I'm not sure about the durability, but these ones are lovely so far :D
Can I just butt in and say - ooooo I might have to invest in some of these. I have considered it before, but I wasn't sure if they made a difference/what difference they did make. They sound really good! I have found the feeling of the default nibs kinda annoying at times, they're not as smooth as I would like them to be.
Post by: Lenny on August 29, 2015, 06:46:09 AM
*looks at own art supplies*
...yeah, I'll just stick to my two ink pens and four types of inks, small collection of brushes, plus 5 acrylic paints (primary colours + black and white). I wouldn't even use a third of those. (In fact I only even use 3 of the brushes I do have. And only two of the inks...) But ooooh those Japanese supplies are adorable~ Very envious of those, must see if I can get something similar :D
With watercolour pencils, just don't get them wet. Always wait until the canvas is dry before applying more pencil (well, this rule can be broken if you want a specific effect, but still, be careful - the lead dissolves and gets ruined if it gets too wet). Layering colours is fun. You can get some cool textures with watercolour pencil, too, that you can't with normal watercolour. And experiment. Do weird things. Don't be scared. If you don't, they'll just sit there and nothing will happen except dust. (This is why I don't have many supplies, really - I don't find the time to use it all properly, and there are so many options already with just the basics, so I don't buy it unless I find a crying need for it.)
Also they are remarkably good for little children - draw something cool, colour it in for them if they're a bit too little to have the patience or skill to colour anything but lines, then put a paintbrush and water in their hands, and fun happens. *has a Faber Castell pack that is used only for little visitors* It also involves no mess except water, which is perfect.
With the watercolours, tip! Don't keep it clean :D You get cool colours that way. (Of course, throw this tip out the window if you like predictable colours... I'm flexible in that way, but not everyone is.) And again, layers are fun.
That reminds me I need to get a good watercolour pack... I left mine on the other side of the world, and watercolour + inks isn't something that can be replicated with watercolour pencils...
And off topic, but I just switched my plastic nib for one of the felt ones that were included with my Intuos Pro, and it draws so nicely. I understand why they included three of them, now.
Post by: Unlos on August 29, 2015, 07:34:52 AM
I'm committing necromancy on this thread here to give some advice regarding tablet pen nibs :0
My wacom bamboo default nibs were wearing down waaayyyy too fast on me and weren't soft/natural enough for me, so I ordered some hard felt nibs instead, and they're fantastic. So smooth that it feels like real pencil, actually! I'm not sure about the durability, but these ones are lovely so far :D
I'll try that, then since my first and only default nib is now about 2-3 mm long and you said they could get stuck in the pen.. Also, the pressure sensitivity of my tablet sometimes acts weird, throwing in thick, long dark lines when I'm happily sketching along. Anyone else had that problem?
Also wow Trinka, that's a whole impressive load of art supplies!
Post by: DarkRawen on August 29, 2015, 08:08:46 AM
I've really been doing that the wrong way, huh. Well, technically I have more, Christmas gifts being the main origin of those, but I've never actually used them. :/
I'll try that, then since my first and only default nib is now about 2-3 mm long and you said they could get stuck in the pen.. Also, the pressure sensitivity of my tablet sometimes acts weird, throwing in thick, long dark lines when I'm happily sketching along. Anyone else had that problem?
Also wow Trinka, that's a whole impressive load of art supplies!
I've had that, it usually disappeared when I updated the driver for the tablet or turned off and on my computer. If that doesn't help... well, google is a powerful tool :P
Post by: Sc0ut on August 29, 2015, 09:47:09 AM
Can I just butt in and say - ooooo I might have to invest in some of these. I have considered it before, but I wasn't sure if they made a difference/what difference they did make. They sound really good! I have found the feeling of the default nibs kinda annoying at times, they're not as smooth as I would like them to be.
A word of warning on felt nibs: they wear out fastest of all. I had a work mate who liked them, she went through one every couple of months. For people who don't do digital painting as a job, they'll last more of course.
Also if you're looking for a smooth drawing feeling, felt nibs are probably not for you. They create more friction than all the others. I found the sensation interesting when first trying them out, because it's really similar to drawing with an actual felt pen, but the novelty wore out fast. I much prefer my pen to glide fast on the tablet.
My favourite nib is the white one with a spring. I have a pretty heavy hand and the spring helps even out the pressure a bit, and the drawing sensation is most best imo (I've tested them all). That being said, I'm stuck with the default black ones at the moment, and they're not actually that bad at all.
Post by: Curry on August 29, 2015, 10:40:48 AM
Can I just butt in and say - ooooo I might have to invest in some of these. I have considered it before, but I wasn't sure if they made a difference/what difference they did make. They sound really good! I have found the feeling of the default nibs kinda annoying at times, they're not as smooth as I would like them to be.
They do have a very very different feeling. Like Sc0ut said, they do feel pretty much exactly like felt pens :0 I happen to absolutely love felt pens and everything about them so that's probably why I like them so much - and I kiiind of suspected as much about the durability, but hey, it's less than ten dollars to try out some more and find my preferences :0 My hand is pretty light so perhaps they'll last a little bit longer??
I was actually so worried that I'd hate how these felt (huehue) but so far I'm pretty glad I sprung for it. Maybe next time I'll get that variety pack that they have to really get a feel for how things are.
I'll try that, then since my first and only default nib is now about 2-3 mm long and you said they could get stuck in the pen.. Also, the pressure sensitivity of my tablet sometimes acts weird, throwing in thick, long dark lines when I'm happily sketching along. Anyone else had that problem?
Ah yes they can get stuck in the pen (as can any nib) but if you have a sewing pin (one with a sharp end) or safety pin or anything small, metal, and sharp, you can kind of... stab it out of the pen. Like, get the point in, then push upwards and it will pop out. This usually doesn't damage the pen too much so you can put it back in and continue using it (I rotate it to get more life out of the tip ( •̀ᄇ• ́)ﻭ✧ )
My friend m-ew has that problem but their tablet is the absolute cheapest teensiest thing. Like. This is their model (http://www.adorama.com/WACTH300B.html?gclid=CO_-rN_CzscCFcEUHwodKmUJAQ) and I'm pretty sure it's not actually supposed to be used for all that much drawing.
Mine occasionally throws in dark dots (at full opacity, full pressure) and it's very irritating but also very uncommon so >_> not sure what to think about that...
Post by: starfallz on August 29, 2015, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: Sc0ut on August 29, 2015, 11:04:30 AM
Post by: Curry on August 29, 2015, 11:09:27 AM
The random lines/dots at full pressure happen on all wacom models, actually. I get them now with my Bamboo tablet, I also got them at the old workplace on the Cintiq. They're quite the mystery, they appear and go away seemingly unrelated to anything. Reinstalling the tablet sometimes helps, sometimes it doesn't. Oh well, praised be Ctrl+Z.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/fb623f7c2d5c32c5079fd08efdaaca16/tumblr_inline_nlgu84bZU31r2g2kx_500.png)
I was realizing the other day that I don't have replacement nibs for the Cintiq I'm borrowing, so I should probably get some (so I can lose them somewhere and tear apart the house when I need one). Thanks for the advice on these!
I keep them with all my lead and pencils and such. I actually put the used ones in the 0.7 lead container since I mainly use 0.5, ehehehe
Post by: Ana Nymus on August 29, 2015, 12:24:13 PM
Anyway, I'm really excited about this, so I thought I'd share. And since the current tablet discussion here led to this discovery, thank you all! ;D
Post by: RandomTexanReader on August 29, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
Look at this.
(http://www.pentel.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/480x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/F/R/FRHBBP.png)
Do you know what that is?
That's a paintbrush
that you can keep water in.
Okay, and do you know what this is?
(http://cdn.dick-blick.com/items/017/78/01778-4780-3ww-l.jpg)
That's watercolor
in a stick.
THE FUTURE IS NOW.
Post by: KauniitaUnia on August 31, 2015, 07:42:38 PM
A word of warning on felt nibs: they wear out fastest of all. I had a work mate who liked them, she went through one every couple of months. For people who don't do digital painting as a job, they'll last more of course.
Also if you're looking for a smooth drawing feeling, felt nibs are probably not for you. They create more friction than all the others. I found the sensation interesting when first trying them out, because it's really similar to drawing with an actual felt pen, but the novelty wore out fast. I much prefer my pen to glide fast on the tablet.
My favourite nib is the white one with a spring. I have a pretty heavy hand and the spring helps even out the pressure a bit, and the drawing sensation is most best imo (I've tested them all). That being said, I'm stuck with the default black ones at the moment, and they're not actually that bad at all.
They do have a very very different feeling. Like Sc0ut said, they do feel pretty much exactly like felt pens :0 I happen to absolutely love felt pens and everything about them so that's probably why I like them so much - and I kiiind of suspected as much about the durability, but hey, it's less than ten dollars to try out some more and find my preferences :0 My hand is pretty light so perhaps they'll last a little bit longer??
I was actually so worried that I'd hate how these felt (huehue) but so far I'm pretty glad I sprung for it. Maybe next time I'll get that variety pack that they have to really get a feel for how things are.
Thank you both for the advice! I agree that the nib wearing down to fast is an issue, but then again I don't do art professionally so maybe I could just change the nib back to default if I'm just using the tablet for normal internet stuff (which I do do, because I'm lazy). When I said the nib wasn't as smooth as I would like I should probably have worded it better - I meant that it feels a bit hard and plastic-y when I use it, and it slides around a tad too much. A felt tip feeling sounds really good; softer in a way? The spring loaded one also looked really good, but it's also more expensive... AAAAAA
Okay, guys, I have to share this.
Look at this.
(http://www.pentel.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/480x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/F/R/FRHBBP.png)
Do you know what that is?
That's a paintbrush
that you can keep water in.
Okay, and do you know what this is?
(http://cdn.dick-blick.com/items/017/78/01778-4780-3ww-l.jpg)
That's watercolor
in a stick.
THE FUTURE IS NOW.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD OF THESE WHAT EVEN
Post by: mithrysc on August 31, 2015, 07:50:12 PM
Okay, guys, I have to share this.
Look at this.
(http://www.pentel.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/480x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/F/R/FRHBBP.png)
Do you know what that is?
That's a paintbrush
that you can keep water in.
Yes I can confirm this is AMAZING. I got one about a month ago because trying to paint with ink, let alone ink washes, while you're traveling can be...difficult. Right now mine is filled with very, very diluted india ink.
The downside is that the pen I had just started using to ink things wasn't waterproof, so putting an ink wash over can have interesting effects. But the water-pen-brush is still amazing.
Post by: KauniitaUnia on August 31, 2015, 07:54:19 PM
Yes I can confirm this is AMAZING. I got one about a month ago because trying to paint with ink, let alone ink washes, while you're traveling can be...difficult. Right now mine is filled with very, very diluted india ink.
The downside is that the pen I had just started using to ink things wasn't waterproof, so putting an ink wash over can have interesting effects. But the water-pen-brush is still amazing.
Maybe I should start making a list of things I really want, just from this thread...
*chants in head* don't buy it don't buy it don't buy it BUT I WANT IT don't buy it don't buy it
Post by: Unlos on September 02, 2015, 05:05:43 AM
*Looks at the rest of the thread*
The future is here, indeed.
Post by: Unlos on September 02, 2015, 07:03:20 AM
The following videos aren't actually tutorials, but they are very useful anyway. Success in art often depends on your mindset - Matt Kohr, the awesome guy from Ctrl-Paint.com made several videos dealing with the psychological side of learning to draw/paint, such as being motivated, making progress, etc.L-letting go? Ohohohoh no no! Nope nope nope. No problem there. No cluttered folders of abandoned projects never to be finished, neither. My stomach just knotted itself when he he pushed the delete button. I-I might have a problem.
Post by: Curry on September 02, 2015, 07:12:25 AM
I got my felt nibs today and they feel amazing and suddenly I have a lot more pressure sensitivity and Yaaay! Love them already, thank you for the advice, Curry!
*Looks at the rest of the thread*
The future is here, indeed.
EEEE I'm glad you like them!! :D And I agree, my to-buy list has gotten dangerously long here ;3c
Post by: Oh Deer on September 02, 2015, 08:05:35 AM
Post by: Haiz on September 02, 2015, 08:43:22 AM
Not a valid vimeo URLfinally got around to watching these, and they're really good and helpful and I kinda wanna smosh them in the face of everyone who comes whining to me about their art being 'bad', because it repeats a lot of what I tell them a la "JUST DRAWWW JUST DO IT DRAW A LOT. ALL ART IS PROGRESS NO MATTER HOW IT TURNED OUT" and stuff, right.
I just want to add to the last video, the expectations VS reality ones - I'm finding myself pretty guilty lately of having a vivid picture of what i'm trying to accomplish, and then ending up with something that's wayy below the quality of that imaginary result. And a lot of times while I don't dislike my result or anything, I always end up like "sighs this could've been so much better if I had just put a little more effort into it" - but what I forget is that other people never saw the picture I imagined. People only see the results, and have no idea how much more epic I wanted it to be or whatever. They didn't have this idea rolling around in their brain for hours. No, for people who see your art it's just BAM FINISHED PRODUCT and like how awesome is that.
so what I'm trying to say is that just because it didn't reach up to lofty expectations doesn't mean that it's bad.
One of my friends told me I should really make a tutorial on drawing birds, but but how?!someone up for making a tutorial tutorial?
I kid. I'm no tutorial maker or anything, but try doing what you usually do, and take lots of pictures along the way! Then pick the pictures that show your progress and explain what you do.
Post by: Aierdome on September 02, 2015, 01:17:21 PM
*about an hour passes*
Wow! those are some awesome tutorials and advice here, I'm sure to use at least some of them in the nearest future... Thanks to all the people who linked/made their own.
Also, Guardian, great thanks for those videos. They're a great aid.
*Aierdome thinks on how she could contribute
Uhh... I think I could do a tutorial on fantasy world maps (my hobby horse when it comes to drawing ::) ), but the question is, would anyone be interested?
Post by: Noodles on September 02, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Uhh... I think I could do a tutorial on fantasy world maps (my hobby horse when it comes to drawing ::) ), but the question is, would anyone be interested?HECK YEAH mine always end up as a blobby mess
Post by: Ana Nymus on September 02, 2015, 05:15:06 PM
Uhh... I think I could do a tutorial on fantasy world maps (my hobby horse when it comes to drawing ::) ), but the question is, would anyone be interested?
Yes! I'm actually in the middle of some worldbuilding which could use maps, so you have very good timing ;D
Post by: Oh Deer on September 02, 2015, 05:59:18 PM
someone up for making a tutorial tutorial?
I kid. I'm no tutorial maker or anything, but try doing what you usually do, and take lots of pictures along the way! Then pick the pictures that show your progress and explain what you do.
where would I put it?
Post by: Haiz on September 02, 2015, 06:03:46 PM
where would I put it?here, maybe?
Post by: Piney on September 02, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
where would I put it?
Here, definitely!
Post by: misea on September 02, 2015, 08:34:52 PM
*pops in to see what the thread's about*
*about an hour passes*
Wow! those are some awesome tutorials and advice here, I'm sure to use at least some of them in the nearest future... Thanks to all the people who linked/made their own.
Also, Guardian, great thanks for those videos. They're a great aid.
*Aierdome thinks on how she could contribute
Uhh... I think I could do a tutorial on fantasy world maps (my hobby horse when it comes to drawing ::) ), but the question is, would anyone be interested?
PLEASE DO :D
Post by: Olga Veresk on September 03, 2015, 05:21:16 AM
How to make Nordic Council vignette in glass
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/489/19213318713_6d26da408e_n.jpg)
Spoiler: show
Feel free to ask your questions, if any =)
I also can share tutorial album on Flickr with photoes in full size.
Post by: Nimphy on September 03, 2015, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Olga Veresk on September 03, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Oooh thank you for the awesome tutorial, Olga! Not that I would ever be able to do this, but it's nice to know how ;D
You are welcome! :)
So, when in 2007 I bought a book on glass painting, I thought in the same way... ))
Post by: Nimphy on September 03, 2015, 02:25:54 PM
You are welcome! :)
So, when in 2007 I bought a book on glass painting, I thought in the same way... ))
Aah, I'd actually love to do this stuff. I mean, it's cool and creative and doesn't even look too complicated imho? I just... Don't even know where to begin to get glass and colors and stuff xD
Post by: Aierdome on September 03, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
As for the map tutorial, it's gonna take a few days. I've been trying to put everything down as conscisely as possible and I've got almost 8 full A4 pages of notes and thumbnails, so... yeah. ::)
Post by: Noodles on September 03, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
As for the map tutorial, it's gonna take a few days. I've been trying to put everything down as conscisely as possible and I've got almost 8 full A4 pages of notes and thumbnails, so... yeah. ::)ahaha I've had a figure tutorial in the works for months; don't worry about it :D
Post by: Olga Veresk on September 03, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
Aah, I'd actually love to do this stuff. I mean, it's cool and creative and doesn't even look too complicated imho? I just... Don't even know where to begin to get glass and colors and stuff xD
I used Italian colours, so any art shop in Italy?
Thanks for tutorial, Olga! I've got to try it some day. ...when all this lost time of mine finally finds itself.
And
Post by: Aierdome on September 03, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
I used Italian colours, so any art shop in Italy?
Andifwhen you try, will you share the result? )
Definitely! Although it may take a few weeks, as this one I'll be working on the tutorial and then there's the Star Force (it's an annual Star Wars con some hour from my place), so.
ahaha I've had a figure tutorial in the works for months; don't worry about it :D
It wouldn't worry me if it was 8 pages of me figuring out how to draw it; it's 8 pages of clear notes, as in "how this will look like when put in computer". And that's just natural environment, I still have like four pages on putting there cities and canals and national borders and stuff, and 1 page on setting name tags and I think inking will take me 1 page too. Oh, and some 1 page on decorating this all. :-[
A friend who beta-reads those notes for me says I should write a book rather than make an online tutorial.
Post by: Olga Veresk on September 03, 2015, 04:06:26 PM
Definitely! Although it may take a few weeks, as this one I'll be working on the tutorial and then there's the Star Force (it's an annual Star Wars con some hour from my place), so.
OK, I'll be waiting ))
Post by: AuthorOfLight on September 03, 2015, 09:52:49 PM
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it!
Post by: starfallz on September 03, 2015, 10:28:47 PM
So I've started drawing/arting in general quite a lot more than I ever had before recently, and I'm trying to get some more supplies than I currently have. This thread has been super helpful in a ton of ways, so I know mostly what to get, but I need some help in the area of... erasers. I have a bunch of erasers. I only actually like one. I got it like eight years ago so I have no idea what it was. :-\ I was wondering if any of y'all could help me find something similar. It's your basic white rectangle eraser, but when you erase with it there isn't tons of dust, but rather rubbery rolls? It's hard to explain but it works really well and it doesn't smear or anything.
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it!
Um, look for the white erasers. I have one that says "MOO" on it. I also have one of the click erasers that is a similar materials and behaves similarly.
Post by: Trinka on September 04, 2015, 01:19:20 AM
I was wondering if any of y'all could help me find something similar. It's your basic white rectangle eraser, but when you erase with it there isn't tons of dust, but rather rubbery rolls?Hmmm, your description sounds an awful lot like this eraser:
(http://www.nordisco.com/assets/item/regular/staedtler-mars-plastic-eraser-52650.jpg)
This is a standard eraser you can find in any art store, or many office supply stores. It erases VERY well (I can count on one hand the number of times it has randomly smudged me: and that's after owning one for 3 years), and yeah, the eraser dust tends to roll into long tube thingies.
Hope this was helpful!
Post by: Curry on September 04, 2015, 07:10:11 AM
So I've started drawing/arting in general quite a lot more than I ever had before recently, and I'm trying to get some more supplies than I currently have. This thread has been super helpful in a ton of ways, so I know mostly what to get, but I need some help in the area of... erasers. I have a bunch of erasers. I only actually like one. I got it like eight years ago so I have no idea what it was. :-\ I was wondering if any of y'all could help me find something similar. It's your basic white rectangle eraser, but when you erase with it there isn't tons of dust, but rather rubbery rolls? It's hard to explain but it works really well and it doesn't smear or anything.
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it!
Basically, what Trinka said! It sounds like a vinyl eraser and those are often very soft and white. They're fantastic and any art store should carry them. Have fun!
Post by: JoB on September 04, 2015, 07:19:49 AM
but when you erase with it there isn't tons of dust, but rather rubbery rolls? It's hard to explainI haven't done much drawing (and not the artistic kind to boot), but isn't that pretty much the hallmark of a "soft eraser"?
Post by: AuthorOfLight on September 04, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
Hmmm, your description sounds an awful lot like this eraser:
(http://www.nordisco.com/assets/item/regular/staedtler-mars-plastic-eraser-52650.jpg)
This is a standard eraser you can find in any art store, or many office supply stores. It erases VERY well (I can count on one hand the number of times it has randomly smudged me: and that's after owning one for 3 years), and yeah, the eraser dust tends to roll into long tube thingies.
Hope this was helpful!
OKAY thank you that sounds like what I've got. *scurries to find good deals on Amazon*
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on September 05, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
Not a valid vimeo URL
THIS IS WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE WHO SAYS THAT "but you are drawing better then I do" because that sentence makes me angry, because I am their "exception" and their art is not even close, they are about to give up because I AM BETTER THEN THEY ARE and it actually makes me sad too. I keep saying, to not compare my art to their, try to help them or something, and say to not give up because they are good in their way. and when they finally improve I am happy I told them to not give up and they start to feel better and stop saying that I am still better.
especially on tumblr, when I run art askblogs, many blogs has a lower skill level and shy to interact with me because of the skill difference, but I got some people who actually ended up interacting ignoring the difference, because I encouraged them and they just become better and better some even got way better then I am. some people improves faster some slower
also this is almost how I live, but my exception is not an empty canvas... mine is just a "random doodle art for an askblog of mine" which I do, if I don't do at least one art in a day, I might not do any for days.
SO WATCH THIS AND BE AN ARTIST LIKE THIS
Post by: Aierdome on September 05, 2015, 01:54:42 PM
Page 1 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat1_zpsvzgrwlud.jpg)|Page2 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat2_zpst4rz7z0m.jpg)|Page 3 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat3_zpsly6wh4rh.jpg)|Page 4 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat4_zpslfs89bkj.jpg)|Page 5 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat5_zpswoyaqsvs.jpg)|Page 6 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat6_zpsdqzguvaq.jpg)|Page 7 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat7_zpsjbcgfa0c.jpg)|Page 8 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat8_zpsbvnyknge.jpg)|Map so far (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/m71_zps9dffdpeb.jpg)
And without further ado...
Spoiler: Step 1: Coastline • show
Spoiler: Anchors (?) • show
Spoiler: Step 2: Mountains • show
Spoiler: Step 3: Forests • show
Spoiler: Step 4: Rivers • show
Spoiler: Lakes • show
Spoiler: Step 5: Other stuff • show
Spoiler: Other stuff, p2 • show
I forgot to mention that, but if you're drawing on computer (I did by hand), then the advice is - spam layers, or else you're going to work yourself into oblivion when trying to erase just as much as you want to.
So yeah, this is it. Let me know if something's wrong or missing.
Post by: Curry on September 05, 2015, 02:09:31 PM
So, map tutorial! In the end I've decided to divide it in two parts, because those are some huge image files I've made for it and I'm not sure if one post can carry them all (both text and pictures are in single file, because layout is fun). Part 2 will arrive... either tomorrow evening or late Monday. Also, if you fear for your computer's well-being, here's everything in handy links (they're also of better quality, I think):Ohhhhh my gosh this is SO COOL!!! The BLACK VOID OF DARKNESS cracked me up and this tutorial was really informative!! :D
Page 1 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat1_zpsvzgrwlud.jpg)|Page2 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat2_zpst4rz7z0m.jpg)|Page 3 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat3_zpsly6wh4rh.jpg)|Page 4 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat4_zpslfs89bkj.jpg)|Page 5 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat5_zpswoyaqsvs.jpg)|Page 6 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat6_zpsdqzguvaq.jpg)|Page 7 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat7_zpsjbcgfa0c.jpg)|Page 8 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat8_zpsbvnyknge.jpg)|Map so far (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/m71_zps9dffdpeb.jpg)
And without further ado...Spoiler: Step 1: Coastline • showSpoiler: Anchors (?) • showSpoiler: Step 2: Mountains • showSpoiler: Step 3: Forests • showSpoiler: Step 4: Rivers • showSpoiler: Lakes • showSpoiler: Step 5: Other stuff • showSpoiler: Other stuff, p2 • show
I forgot to mention that, but if you're drawing on computer (I did by hand), then the advice is - spam layers, or else you're going to work yourself into oblivion when trying to erase just as much as you want to.
So yeah, this is it. Let me know if something's wrong or missing.
Post by: Unlos on September 05, 2015, 02:15:07 PM
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Wow, that is a lovely tutorial, it makes me want to start making maps, and I have never ever even thought of the possibility before! Step number 4, never ever try to paint Finland...
Spoiler: show
Post by: Aierdome on September 05, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
Ohhhhh my gosh this is SO COOL!!! The BLACK VOID OF DARKNESS cracked me up and this tutorial was really informative!! :D
Wow, that is a lovely tutorial, it makes me want to start making maps, and I have never ever even thought of the possibility before! Step number 4, never ever try to paint Finland...Spoiler: show
Thanks! Unlos, way to do Finnish lakes:
1. download the map
2. crank the contrast to the max
3. erase the space between lakes
4. save and pretend to your friends that it's totally effect of your hard work :P
Post by: Noodles on September 07, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
Post by: Aierdome on September 08, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Anyways, the tutorial part two, yes. I'm pretty sure my map does not follow my own advice, but let's just politely not notice this, alright?
Page 1 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art1_zps0kkfnbuv.jpg)|Page 2 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art2_zpshn35capp.jpg)|Page 3 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art3_zpsby55ecyn.jpg)|Page 4 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art4_zpsgcyvohiz.jpg)|Page 5 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art5_zpsfpcjb3ji.jpg)|Page 6 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art6_zpscuvgdcxo.jpg)|Part 7 (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/art7_zpsxtrh9vuh.jpg)|Final Map (...oof) (http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/final%20map_zpsuzaoksgg.jpg)
Spoiler: Step 1: Cities • show
Spoiler: Cities, p2 • show
Spoiler: Step 2: Infrastructure • show
Spoiler: Step 3: Borders • show
Spoiler: Step 4: Naming • show
Spoiler: Step 5: Decorations • show
Spoiler: Step 6: All the little things • show
Spoiler: Final result • show
Well, anyway, that's one of the better maps I've made. I hope the tutorial is of any help and wasn't boring or useless. Let me know if I forgot something besides those frakkin' steppes and deserts.
Post by: KicknRun on September 09, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
So I hear there's a function on Paint Tool Sai that lets you convert a traditional sketch or lineart onto its own lineart layer, no tracing required.
And I have this sketch I would love to color digitally, but tracing it would mess it up greatly, so I was wondering if anyone around here is able to do that? Because I don't have Sai and can't do it myself.
Post by: Unlos on September 09, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
/me teeples fingers.
So I hear there's a function on Paint Tool Sai that lets you convert a traditional sketch or lineart onto its own lineart layer, no tracing required.
And I have this sketch I would love to color digitally, but tracing it would mess it up greatly, so I was wondering if anyone around here is able to do that? Because I don't have Sai and can't do it myself.this is without a doubt the weirdest request I've put into this thread
I found two different tutorials adressing that problem:
The first one:
Conver white to transparent on scanned images
1) Select the layer with the scanned image
2) Menu > Select > Create Selection from Layer / Brightness
3) Create a new layer
4) Select black color (or any color you want for the new line)
5) Menu > Layer > Fill
6) Hide or delete the original layer
Judging from the tutorial below, it seems that firealpaca also has a "multiply" function. This works in photoshop by selecting the layer the sketch is on (if it is the background you may have to rename the layer to layer 0), and then changing the layer to "multiply" instead of "normal". Tada, now it works almost like a regular layer with lineart on it, with white being transparent and black/gray being opaque.
http://deidaraart5.deviantart.com/art/FireAlpaca-Coloring-Tutorial-The-Kaku-Way-514296887
Sorry for not being more help, I dont think I can do that other thing you asked :-\
Post by: KicknRun on September 09, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
I found two different tutorials adressing that problem:
The first one:
Conver white to transparent on scanned images
1) Select the layer with the scanned image
2) Menu > Select > Create Selection from Layer / Brightness
3) Create a new layer
4) Select black color (or any color you want for the new line)
5) Menu > Layer > Fill
6) Hide or delete the original layer
Judging from the tutorial below, it seems that firealpaca also has a "multiply" function. This works in photoshop by selecting the layer the sketch is on (if it is the background you may have to rename the layer to layer 0), and then changing the layer to "multiply" instead of "normal". Tada, now it works almost like a regular layer with lineart on it, with white being transparent and black/gray being opaque.
http://deidaraart5.deviantart.com/art/FireAlpaca-Coloring-Tutorial-The-Kaku-Way-514296887
Sorry for not being more help, I dont think I can do that other thing you asked :-\
Thank you! I have a feeling I'll be using this ,method to be lazy about lineart a lot more
Post by: JoB on September 09, 2015, 06:58:04 PM
Let me know if I forgot something besides those frakkin' steppes and deserts.I'm afraid that for boring physics reasons, dams curve the other way ...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hoover_Dam%2C_Colorado_River.JPG)
Post by: Aierdome on September 10, 2015, 12:51:49 AM
I'm afraid that for boring physics reasons, dams curve the other way ...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hoover_Dam%2C_Colorado_River.JPG)
Oops :-[ Duly noted. Thanks, I'll fix ut the moment I have scanner nearby.
Post by: Unlos on September 10, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
Thanks! Unlos, way to do Finnish lakes:
1. download the map
2. crank the contrast to the max
3. erase the space between lakes
4. save and pretend to your friends that it's totally effect of your hard work :P
Aha :-)
Seriously, your map-making skills have me really impressed. This is better than the maps that accompany many fantasy books I've read!
Post by: Fimbulvarg on September 10, 2015, 03:46:09 PM
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t444/Tanghue/nat5_zpswoyaqsvs.jpg)
Some things to consider:
1, "Rivers merge in the direction the main river goes" - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Rivers develop along weak lines in the underlying geological structures. Very often this leads tributaries into the main stream at a near 90 degree angle. You will find lots of examples on a map of Sweden. In some select cases a tributary will even flow into the main steam from the near-opposite direction of the main stream.
2, "Rivers react to even the slightest imperfections in even the flattest lands and act accordingly" - More precisely rivers on flat land often react much more drastically to "imperfections" (generally caused by the rivers themselves) compared to rivers in rough terrain. In rough terrain the underlying geological structure determines the course of the river - it can lead it through bends and curves or in straighter course. On flat land geology has less impact. In addition there is more water from tributaries, and the river can't flow downslope to move more water. Instead it reacts by creating huge bends and curves called meanders to increase its length. The river Seine for instance (http://static.trunity.net/files/202401_202500/202445/seine-drainage-basin.png) becomes increasingly wavier the further down the river you move. Even highland rivers (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Aerial_photography_of_river_in_green_hills.jpg) will exhibit this behaviour when flowing across flat sedimentary plains. These curves are hardly "smoother" than all kinds of coastline curves.
3: "Deltas" - 'Eroded delta' is not a term in common use. Delta sizes and builds are determined by the relative ratio between river sediment input and wave erosion. Rivers like the Mississippi have ernormous, impressive deltas because sediment supply is greater than the ocean's erosion. Ganges in India has nearly the same amount of water discharge, but has a shorter, less complex delta due to higher levels of erosion compared to supply. The Tiber Delta in Italy is even less impressive because wave erosion is so much greater than sediment supply.
In the mountains lakes occupy valleys. No valley? they'll make one.
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Post by: Aierdome on September 10, 2015, 04:45:00 PM
Some things to consider:
1, "Rivers merge in the direction the main river goes" - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Rivers develop along weak lines in the underlying geological structures. Very often this leads tributaries into the main stream at a near 90 degree angle. You will find lots of examples on a map of Sweden. In some select cases a tributary will even flow into the main steam from the near-opposite direction of the main stream.
2, "Rivers react to even the slightest imperfections in even the flattest lands and act accordingly" - More precisely rivers on flat land often react much more drastically to "imperfections" (generally caused by the rivers themselves) compared to rivers in rough terrain. In rough terrain the underlying geological structure determines the course of the river - it can lead it through bends and curves or in straighter course. On flat land geology has less impact. In addition there is more water from tributaries, and the river can't flow downslope to move more water. Instead it reacts by creating huge bends and curves called meanders to increase its length. The river Seine for instance (http://static.trunity.net/files/202401_202500/202445/seine-drainage-basin.png) becomes increasingly wavier the further down the river you move. Even highland rivers (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Aerial_photography_of_river_in_green_hills.jpg) will exhibit this behaviour when flowing across flat sedimentary plains. These curves are hardly "smoother" than all kinds of coastline curves.
3: "Deltas" - 'Eroded delta' is not a term in common use. Delta sizes and builds are determined by the relative ratio between river sediment input and wave erosion. Rivers like the Mississippi have ernormous, impressive deltas because sediment supply is greater than the ocean's erosion. Ganges in India has nearly the same amount of water discharge, but has a shorter, less complex delta due to higher levels of erosion compared to supply. The Tiber Delta in Italy is even less impressive because wave erosion is so much greater than sediment supply.
Wow. Thank you! Regarding those points, I must say, I've been pretty much figuring them out as I went along, so what I've written here is, I guess, more along the lines of "what I think looks good". I've never known that what you wrote in 1 is actually possible (gotta check that), you're absolutely right on point 2, and point 3 was... actually something I lifted straight out of my high school geography book. For one, I may've fumbled the translation, for the other, what factors in shape of delta is something the book didn't mention. I guess I'll have to sit on this page too and change it.
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I... don't know either.??? I think I had an idea for some witty comment here, but it got lost somewhere between my brain and my fingers. Gotta fix that too.
Generally - thank you!
Aha :-)
Seriously, your map-making skills have me really impressed. This is better than the maps that accompany many fantasy books I've read!
Thanks! ;D Have you perhaps seen maps of Safehold series? Not the online interactive one, it's rather... Paint-y, but the black-and-white ones they print in books are beauties.
Post by: Piney on September 20, 2015, 02:40:11 AM
(http://www.dixieart.com/dr_martins_bombay.jpg)
It's Dr. Ph. Martin's Bombay Black India Ink (long name, yeah), and I'm giving it a plug because it's really great for inking over sketches! See, you can ink over your pencil lines and then erase your pencil lines, and the ink won't come off at all! Every single other ink/pen I've used has greyed down when I erase over it, and redrawing my lines was honestly one of the things that kept me from doing traditional art very often.
...So yeah. I recommend it for ink-users who don't use it already. And A+ to my storytelling teacher for recommending it in the first place.
Post by: mithrysc on September 20, 2015, 08:57:08 AM
Okay, I've just gotta take a second to rep this ink:
*jumps in at mention of ink*
Higgins Waterproof Black Magic Ink is also highly recommendable if you're looking for nice, non-fading black inks.
Post by: starfallz on September 20, 2015, 10:45:03 AM
Post by: Piney on September 20, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
*jumps in at mention of ink*
Higgins Waterproof Black Magic Ink is also highly recommendable if you're looking for nice, non-fading black inks.
Awesome - I just had to buy that one for a separate class.
Post by: viola on September 21, 2015, 05:54:32 PM
Post by: Miss Honeyham on September 23, 2015, 12:59:05 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bd5Ghz0fIYA/VgLWw7UcPmI/AAAAAAAADak/Fwch7XWawOY/s1600/DSCN0744.JPG)
I used to have watercolors and enormous sketchpads too, but I don't use them and so when I moved around last year I ended up giving them all away. This is all I really need. Besides, it's already kind of a lot of stuff to haul around. Ha.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hq8Wh0f9NYU/VgLWwED8RZI/AAAAAAAADag/JW8trCeILnA/s400/DSCN0745.JPG)
That said, I own about 14 of these little Bee Paper sketchbooks. I loooooove them. I can't find them at most arts stores, unfortunately, but they're pretty cheap online. It's got the spiral binding, so I can keep a mechanical pencil with it, but it's landscape so the binding doesn't get in my way. so much And it's small enough to carry with me pretty much anywhere I go. Loooooove it.
Now for a question, which I guess is art-supply related? I think? Anyways, for those of you who do digital art, what art program do you use, and would you recommend it? I'm looking into purchasing a program (the super cheap one I have isn't cutting it) and would like some input.
Post by: Piney on September 23, 2015, 02:18:54 PM
Now for a question, which I guess is art-supply related? I think? Anyways, for those of you who do digital art, what art program do you use, and would you recommend it? I'm looking into purchasing a program (the super cheap one I have isn't cutting it) and would like some input.
I'm using Photoshop Elements, which works well for me because I don't do anything fancy with it. I'd recommend it if you want a simplified version of Photoshop that doesn't drain your computer battery, but if you want to shell out, getting regular Photoshop would probably be better for art & stuff, and it has a whole lot more brushes than PSE. But then again, I've only used the two, and there are apparently much better drawing programs than Photoshop that have line stabilizers :P
Post by: Curry on September 23, 2015, 03:02:24 PM
Post by: Adrai Thell on September 23, 2015, 04:53:15 PM
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
Post by: misea on September 23, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
Apologies if anything like this has already been asked, and another apology if this is in the wrong place (where do you put stuff like this?), but I have a question less about technique and more about motivation. All you beautiful digital artists out there - how do you handle keeping your spirits up during the lineart phase? I personally find it the most tedious, and have quite a few images in the works that I think could be great... if I could ever get past the fishing lineart. It's really begun to bug me, especially since in traditional art I find the lineart the funnest part.
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
I don't know about other people, but messy lineart in my stuff drives me positively bonkers and I absolutely have to fix it, so... :I But there's a lot of (internal) screaming involved. And angry breaks. And procrastination. Honestly coloring freaks me out more than lineart 'cause with lineart at least I can trace over things, so that's my motivation. Maybe imagine what it looks like with clean lineart? And how nice it'll look? Sorry, that was really unhelpful :< *crawls back under rock*
Post by: Haiz on September 23, 2015, 06:21:44 PM
Apologies if anything like this has already been asked, and another apology if this is in the wrong place (where do you put stuff like this?), but I have a question less about technique and more about motivation. All you beautiful digital artists out there - how do you handle keeping your spirits up during the lineart phase? I personally find it the most tedious, and have quite a few images in the works that I think could be great... if I could ever get past the fishing lineart. It's really begun to bug me, especially since in traditional art I find the lineart the funnest part.oh wow I feel you, I don't handle the digital lineart phase very well either. I've gotten much more comfortable with it lately, though, and here are some things I've done/keep doing:
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
- use the sketch as a lineart YOLO
- tracing - drawing on a layer over a photo or some other art (like muchas and selfies)
- simply nOT CARING about the uncleanliness and just leaving it be
- trying to draw piney and misea style. the piney one melted my brain but it changed something in me
- drawing without a sketch
- trying different thicknesses on the brush, sometimes very thing sometimes very thick (sometimes one feels easier than the other. trying to draw minna style also helped a lot for some reason, because i tried to draw with a much thinner brush than usually)
idk just do a lot of different things and find out what works best for you, i guess! switching things up usually helps
Post by: Piney on September 23, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Apologies if anything like this has already been asked, and another apology if this is in the wrong place (where do you put stuff like this?), but I have a question less about technique and more about motivation. All you beautiful digital artists out there - how do you handle keeping your spirits up during the lineart phase? I personally find it the most tedious, and have quite a few images in the works that I think could be great... if I could ever get past the fishing lineart. It's really begun to bug me, especially since in traditional art I find the lineart the funnest part.
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
I've honestly never had a problem with that because lineart is my favorite part of a drawing, but, if you don't already do it, sketching the thing and then tracing the lines over a photo of the pencil sketch makes things go a lot quicker. It's less tedious (for me) because there're already guidelines to do the lineart over and you don't have to start on a tablet from scratch. (apologies though if you already do this)
And I don't know how you do your lines, but if you normally do your lineart in little sketchy lines/multiple strokes, maybe try making only one stroke for each line - like, if I'm drawing myself on a tablet, for my jawline I do a really quick, one-stroke oval *swoop* and bam, round jawline. ...This probably doesn't work for a lot of people though, it's just how I do it.
Post by: Curry on September 23, 2015, 06:59:37 PM
Apologies if anything like this has already been asked, and another apology if this is in the wrong place (where do you put stuff like this?), but I have a question less about technique and more about motivation. All you beautiful digital artists out there - how do you handle keeping your spirits up during the lineart phase? I personally find it the most tedious, and have quite a few images in the works that I think could be great... if I could ever get past the fishing lineart. It's really begun to bug me, especially since in traditional art I find the lineart the funnest part.
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
Lineart is not my faaavorite part, but try and make longer strokes like Piney said - the undo button is your best friend and use it. Also, as (Forum Favorite Lineartist) callipygous said:
(http://orig03.deviantart.net/e48d/f/2015/172/e/a/toot_by_chamoemile-d8y9hu5.png)
Post by: misea on September 23, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
I forgot to mention that getting really pissed off can be really helpful (something I learned from Curry), but gotta be careful with the arms and hands, don't constrict them.
Post by: Curry on September 23, 2015, 08:21:30 PM
I forgot to mention that getting really pissed off can be really helpful (something I learned from Curry), but gotta be careful with the arms and hands, don't constrict them.
Ehehehe, I forgot about that one time I yelled about being furious(ly inspired) in this thread ::) But yeah, if you're angry, you might actually be more confident in your lines as long as you're not shaking with rage! Then you'll end up with wobbly grandma lines and that can be cool but is also very hard to reproduce.
.......actually would anybody want a Burton tutorial because everybody seems to love my burtons
Post by: mithrysc on September 23, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Apologies if anything like this has already been asked, and another apology if this is in the wrong place (where do you put stuff like this?), but I have a question less about technique and more about motivation. All you beautiful digital artists out there - how do you handle keeping your spirits up during the lineart phase? I personally find it the most tedious, and have quite a few images in the works that I think could be great... if I could ever get past the fishing lineart. It's really begun to bug me, especially since in traditional art I find the lineart the funnest part.
Any tips? Should I delete this for being out of place?
Hm. I'm also not too fond of digital lineart. Even though I love inking traditionally, whenever I ink something digitally there is a very high chance I will dislike the results.
Do you dislike it because it's boring, or because the linework doesn't look like you want it to look (or it takes too long to get there)? Those are kind of different things, and I mostly have problems with the latter, but I'm equally unable to give advice for both.
I'm not sure what to do, but things I've done include studying how other artists handled digital linework, switching brush sizes/types (though frankly the latter may not help), and drawing more precise base sketches...and just finishing the thing? Sorry, I know that's not very helpful, but I have a hard time leaving a piece unfinished so when I really start disliking a piece I just try to barrel through and finish the lineart in one sitting. (Coloring is a different matter.) Maybe make a few small pieces to practice digitally inking on, or at the least getting faster at it?
Post by: misea on September 23, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
.......actually would anybody want a Burton tutorial because everybody seems to love my burtons
BURTON TUTORIAL YES
Post by: Olga Veresk on October 07, 2015, 10:23:23 AM
Previous tutorial: Nordic Council vignette (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=505.msg63478#msg63478)
This one will be easier than previous, because we'll use less colours, and simple pattern.
How to make glass Owl Insignia
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/716/21893102846_f1d63e01f1_n.jpg)
Spoiler: show
Feel free to ask your questions, if any :)
Post by: Guardian G.I. on October 07, 2015, 05:48:04 PM
Because of that, I'm not drawing as much as I used to. Does anyone have any advice on how to break out of this rut?
Post by: Haiz on October 07, 2015, 05:56:39 PM
I have a really weird motivation issue: I usually have plenty of ideas about what to draw, but my internal quality meter always forces me to put them on the backburner: "You're not good enough for that, study more. You're not good enough for that, study more". As a result, I end up being stuck in doing studies and get bored quickly. Then I try to draw something else, not expecting anything extraordinary to come out of it, and the end drawing turns out to be so horrifyingly awful that I get discouraged and pause drawing for a while. Then I go study again, get bored, etc.try drawing your ideas anyway. draw what you feel like/want to draw. maybe it won't turn out the way you want it to, but it's better than not drawing at all!
Because of that, I'm not drawing as much as I used to. Does anyone have any advice on how to break out of this rut?
Post by: Rabbit on October 07, 2015, 06:06:29 PM
I have a really weird motivation issue: I usually have plenty of ideas about what to draw, but my internal quality meter always forces me to put them on the backburner: "You're not good enough for that, study more. You're not good enough for that, study more". As a result, I end up being stuck in doing studies and get bored quickly. Then I try to draw something else, not expecting anything extraordinary to come out of it, and the end drawing turns out to be so horrifyingly awful that I get discouraged and pause drawing for a while. Then I go study again, get bored, etc.
Because of that, I'm not drawing as much as I used to. Does anyone have any advice on how to break out of this rut?
I have the same problem sometimes :/
Weirdly enough one of the things that helped was switching to doing my practice drawings in ink, no pencil, no sketches whatsoever. It probably doesn't work for everyone, but for me there's a strange sort of liberty in accepting that there will be no fixing whatever you do, and 99 times out of 100 it will fail. Then again my problem was less giving up on drawing and more that I kept fixing and fixing things and refusing to call them ready...
If you want to practice in a less boring way, speed sketches might be worth a try? Pick a subject, set a timer, sketch for (for example) two minutes, then TOSS THE PAPER AND DON'T LOOK AT IT AGAIN, pick another subject, reset your timer, repeat. You can also try to draw the same subject multiple times in a row and compare your "timeline" afterwards.
Another fun way to "practice drawing" is watching artists stream! Seeing firsthand how they create those beautiful things is fun and helpful, and most people love to answer questions too.
Post by: Sc0ut on October 16, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
I have a really weird motivation issue: I usually have plenty of ideas about what to draw, but my internal quality meter always forces me to put them on the backburner: "You're not good enough for that, study more. You're not good enough for that, study more". As a result, I end up being stuck in doing studies and get bored quickly. Then I try to draw something else, not expecting anything extraordinary to come out of it, and the end drawing turns out to be so horrifyingly awful that I get discouraged and pause drawing for a while. Then I go study again, get bored, etc.
Because of that, I'm not drawing as much as I used to. Does anyone have any advice on how to break out of this rut?
I go through times when I hate everything I draw. When that happens, I start counting all the drawings that suck. The logic behind it is that "one drawing out of 100 must be good, but until I get to 100 I don't get to complain". The number is totally arbitrary, but it works as a reminder that sometimes you just need brute force to break through. Fun fact: I never even got to 50 before getting a drawing I'm happy with (I start over each time this happens).
Also, two more things: do you dislike your studies too? Learn to like them, and show off the best of them! It's still your work, even if it's just an exercise.
And keep your old work, either online or on your computer, so you can look back at it and have solid evidence of your improvement. Sometimes improvement is so gradual that you can't see it, but as long as you draw regularly, you improve. This is a fact.
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on October 20, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
requested by few people here
I use paint tool sai, but it could be work in any art program almost same way, but the functions could be at different places. I added some photoshop help too.
First I get an outline. then I just fill it
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/e25f154cdc127748e86b5fa66c14b4f1/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo1_1280.png)
there are white dots, which I just colour with the pen/brush tool
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e22df74a9760bdbfe8a27f7b98438773/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo2_1280.png)
I colour all with red or any redish colour because it is easier to see if I went out of line or not then any other colour, you can use any colour, it does not matter.
I do this so when I do the BG I will have all colours in outlines and won't need to fix and delete those random colours that out of the line.
after finishing colouring I lock the layer (
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/86407fcb6fd00cf3fb0708e659870e97/tumblr_inline_nwjkjmf4lw1r64chh_540.png)
this is the photoshop icon for it
Next step colour how I want. only the basic colour. no shading or anything yet
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/ea3fb09b89c6e6d18cfca0f76355261e/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo3_1280.png)
after I am done with all base colours, I do the blush, on this layer too. I use an other brush, if you have sai, you can copy and see the settings for it. (tablet pressure is needed for better use)
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/be83f586a79e03595cfd0db29ad4d278/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo6_1280.png)
new layer, on top of it. this function will allow you colour only where you have colour on the layer it is tied with.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b3822656add80d3e85a9b38524dbea83/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo5_1280.png)
here is the photoshop version. click with right on the new layer that you put over the colour layer:
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/1d280f868508c5835872607f74dc4f16/tumblr_inline_nwjkjtOWho1r64chh_540.png)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/7cbbf7f8fc570dbf0a31734bcc4d2dfe/tumblr_inline_nwjkk3qdBw1r64chh_540.png)
(Sorry it is in swedish, I accidentally managed to install it in swedish instead of english....
now you choose a light colour (greyish colour probably the best with some colour.) this is the time, when you can play what colour you find the best for the picture.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/b6342e5c869af2086513a65c3077ca0b/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo4_1280.png)
I chose a light blue, then use same colour and made a new layer where I colour everything! this gives a colour to the picture (you can play with colours can be more colours)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/1fcfb4d2771c3b968f22c3f2cdf2d72c/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo8_1280.png)
I deleted some parts of the blue on the new layer as "light"
Next the light.
I usually use white, but other colour can give some interesting result, also use lighter colours here, since this is the LIGHT wanna be. but if you use a darker colour, it could give you some interesting result, again something where you can play with xD
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4649c5c007a4bd849341029dcaf7d0ba/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo10_1280.png)
the BG
new layer under the colour. now you can colour there freely and there is no see through by dot parts in the picture or something. that's why I colour like that in the first
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/be59e01636029566a5ea3d19965a1ddf/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo9_1280.png)
and my fav new brush, that is pretty good and cool, in photoshop, there is many other type of brushes
This brush just good for colouring and mixes the colours pretty easily and well, it is also practice and you get how you want, or not. you actually can do anything you want.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/66527c6d907ec5d34d389d684f186b6d/tumblr_nwjjfaCFhk1uxdy8lo7_1280.png)
and done.
Post by: Ana Nymus on October 20, 2015, 09:00:29 PM
MY EASY COLOURING STYLE
[...]
*scribbles notes furiously* MUST TRY THIS
Thank you for making this tutorial! It's really cool to see how different people do the same thing, and now I really really want to try my hand at your way, because I like the results so much!
Post by: Daéa Reina on October 20, 2015, 09:05:28 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on October 20, 2015, 09:20:56 PM
Martti, thank you so much for this!! I saw you streaming once but I arrived late so I was asking myself how did you do all this coloring magic. Now I have my answers! :DWHY don't you ask me? you ask how I did, I tell of show in stream. you can't really be late, I usually drew more arts, at least one you supposed to see, unless I do a big art with very different colouring style that could take forever but I rarely do that because I am lazy.
*scribbles notes furiously* MUST TRY THIS
Thank you for making this tutorial! It's really cool to see how different people do the same thing, and now I really really want to try my hand at your way, because I like the results so much!
Good luck with it! it is really easy, I think, just playing with colours for shading, sometimes I did like more layers more colour more type of lights/shadows, this pic was really the basic, also the shading could be fading too or however you want, that is your choice from now on xD
I am even drawing variously every time because I am still trying and testing things xD
for example the "pink light" is found by an accident when I used that pink instead of white for light and I got fond of it, especially since Minna's art often shows random lights like that (mostly pinkish lately because of sunset for example)
Post by: Olga Veresk on October 21, 2015, 03:57:58 AM
Post by: Aierdome on October 21, 2015, 05:37:02 AM
MY EASY COLOURING STYLE
requested by few people here
(snip)
Thank you, Martti! It's such a great tutorial, both in content and, uhm, tutoriability*. I'm still kinda learning how to shade (or colour, for that matter), so I'm sure going to try this.
*tutoriability - ability of the tutorial to help people learn what the tutorial is supposed to learn.
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on October 21, 2015, 09:44:58 AM
Thank you, Martti! It's such a great tutorial, both in content and, uhm, tutoriability*. I'm still kinda learning how to shade (or colour, for that matter), so I'm sure going to try this.
*tutoriability - ability of the tutorial to help people learn what the tutorial is supposed to learn.
long time ago I did a tutorial for "where to put the shadows" tutorial, but I am not going to post it, because the art looks REALLY horrible, even the tutorial part I think is okay. (it could be more detailed tutorial.... I could try to do one?)
to be honest, all type of tutorials you can find online for that I think.
Post by: P__ on October 21, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
(it could be more detailed tutorial.... I could try to do one?)
yes!
Post by: Smirty on October 21, 2015, 11:40:34 AM
The original time was an hour and a half.
The songs are "Solringen" and "Gibu", by Wardruna.
I have made a few art tutorials so far that I can share here. If you need a tutorial on anything, I can make some time to prepare one. (unless it's something somebody explained better already, then I can maybe find you such a tutorial ;))
This one on facial anatomy: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/Quick-Facial-Anatomy-Tips-II-403328415
Skin color: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/What-Skin-Colors-151633913
For Hair, under a specific cloudy lighting: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/Quick-Hair-and-Light-Tutorial-424905911
Anatomy of the eye: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/Quick-Eye-Tutorial-401850906
Anatomy of the breast: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/Quick-Breast-Tutorial-558229812
Anatomy of the horse: http://smirtouille.deviantart.com/art/Drawing-Horses-Tutorial-Part-1-396742753
Drawing a face: http://orig07.deviantart.net/3844/f/2013/222/c/a/drawing_a_face2_by_smirtouille-d6hjm2e.gif
Drawing a horse: http://orig02.deviantart.net/72dd/f/2013/221/7/5/drawing_a_horse_by_smirtouille-d6he21p.gif
Post by: Guardian G.I. on October 21, 2015, 05:53:15 PM
So here is the process video of my Sigrun portrait.Thanks for the process video! I'm struggling with painting people in Photoshop, and this clip is just what the doctor ordered.
Your digital painting skills are admirable.
Post by: daiseerose on October 21, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on October 21, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
in stream to be honest, I am happy if someone asks me something and I can show and explain it (in voice chat)
Post by: Ana Nymus on October 21, 2015, 09:56:56 PM
is there any good program (that does not requests like super computers) that could record my screen? I would do a video instead of taking screenshots because it is hard to draw and screenshot every moment.
in stream to be honest, I am happy if someone asks me something and I can show and explain it (in voice chat)
Well, if you have a Mac, then there's a screen recording (and voice recording) feature built into the QuickTime Player. It's explained here (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201066) (scroll down a bit to get to the right section). If you don't have a Mac, then I don't know what would be best to use.
Post by: Smirty on October 21, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
is there any good program (that does not requests like super computers) that could record my screen? I would do a video instead of taking screenshots because it is hard to draw and screenshot every moment.
in stream to be honest, I am happy if someone asks me something and I can show and explain it (in voice chat)
There is Open Broadcast Software. It is free and very proficient. Although having a descent graphic card in your computer will always help when it comes to dealing with video files.
Guardian G.I.: Glad I could help!
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on October 22, 2015, 01:43:25 AM
Well, if you have a Mac, then there's a screen recording (and voice recording) feature built into the QuickTime Player. It's explained here (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201066) (scroll down a bit to get to the right section). If you don't have a Mac, then I don't know what would be best to use.I have never seen a mac ever in my life.......
There is Open Broadcast Software. It is free and very proficient. Although having a descent graphic card in your computer will always help when it comes to dealing with video files.
Guardian G.I.: Glad I could help!
my computer died, it has kind of good videocard, my temporary computer had no decent video card (it could not even use proper screensize for my monitor....) that's why I hated it so much, now I have a laptop, and I have no idea what it even can do............... but old laptop so I don't expect it to be that good.
I'll check it out sometime, thanks!
Post by: Curry on October 27, 2015, 02:04:34 PM
It’s strongly preferred that critiques are kept to this thread where artists are specifically asking for them, to reduce the potential for hurt feelings, as you might not realize how discouraging unsolicited opinions or corrections can be to the artist. Thank you, and please keep critique friendly and objective! :)
Note - this isn't a tutorial thread! If that's what you're looking for, it's right here. (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=505.0)
Post by: Ana Nymus on October 28, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Post by: Guardian G.I. on October 29, 2015, 12:46:55 AM
Post by: AquaAurion on November 02, 2015, 02:41:15 PM
(http://pre00.deviantart.net/471f/th/pre/i/2015/306/c/d/watercolor_wyn_by_aquaaurion-d9fa9kq.png)
Post by: Smirty on November 02, 2015, 03:06:26 PM
Other than that I can only point to Nathan Fowkes (http://nathanfowkesart.deviantart.com/art/Watercolor-Portrait-559137123) for inspiration. He has the most... Mind blowing watercolors I've ever seen. :o Like him, you can use the light of the paper to peek through to create light (by darkening everything else with rich pigment). I hope that helps!
Post by: AquaAurion on November 02, 2015, 03:13:27 PM
The only advice I'd have would be to use watercolor paper. It's thicker so it doesn't curl.I actually used watercolor paper, so I must have used way too much water :-\
Other than that I can only point to Nathan Fowkes (http://nathanfowkesart.deviantart.com/art/Watercolor-Portrait-559137123) for inspiration. He has the most... Mind blowing watercolors I've ever seen. :o Like him, you can use the light of the paper to peek through to create light (by darkening everything else with rich pigment). I hope that helps!
Wow! How does he do that with watercolors? :o Thank you, I'll check out his gallery!
Post by: Curry on November 02, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
Post by: AquaAurion on November 02, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
You've got lovely color theory going on there! :D I'm a big fan of the purple and red tones in the skin. I'd say to not be afraid to darken the shadows more (using too much water would keep the colors pretty light) but other than that it looks really pretty!!Thank you! :D
I've started to do darker shading, which is really hard, but I'll try to go outside my safety zone some more!
Post by: Guardian G.I. on November 02, 2015, 05:16:35 PM
Spoiler: Very very WIP • show
First impressions: very good for blending colours and early work, but very, very messy. Fixing those edges is going to be so painful. I'm also not sure about my composition.
P.S. I wonder if anyone can recognize that eyeball thing and what it's destroying.
Post by: Ana Nymus on November 14, 2015, 11:17:06 PM
Spoiler: show
Specifically, I'm looking for advice on the lighting and the light-dog and stuff. I'm just not entirely happy with it and could use some advice to improve it.
Post by: Rabbit on November 15, 2015, 08:32:13 AM
Specifically, I'm looking for advice on the lighting and the light-dog and stuff. I'm just not entirely happy with it and could use some advice to improve it.
I'll write a better reply with some examples when I'm not on the go, but for the dog: when you want something to appear to glow don't be afraid to use more saturate colours and some pure white. It'll stand out even better since the rest of your image has no bright highlights. Maybe try out a near-white shade of purple for the dog, "shaded" and outlined with a brighter one? Add contrast, basically.
For the shading on the character it's the same idea, basically: you've got the placement of the highlights down pretty well, so now's the time to start playing with contrast. If there's a bright light source behind the character, the parts that get the light will be very bright and the shadow on the other side correspondingly dark. And if your light source is purple, try some bright purple highlights!
Post by: JoB on November 15, 2015, 09:11:26 AM
Specifically, I'm looking for advice on the lighting and the light-dog and stuff. I'm just not entirely happy with it and could use some advice to improve it.Do you aim for artistic effect, or realism?
If the latter, anything standing in front of the only light source should essentially be a pitch black cutout with only a bit of highlighting around the edges (which would provide a pretty menacing look).
Actual glowing surfaces have the same brightness all over (glow sticks) or get a bit brighter towards the center (Cherenkov Radiation (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Cerenkov_Effect.jpg)); it's also related to whether they do or don't make the surrounding air(?) glow as well (if so, there will be a visible gradient to that). Needless to say, that doesn't bode well for recognizable features on the dog; the fact that I currently can't tell which way it's even looking is quite realistic.
Post by: Ana Nymus on November 15, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Thank you both for the advice! I'm going for artistic effect over realism, but I think I'm going to go ahead and up the contrast of the shading dramatically, like you both suggested. Doggie will be brighter, and Ana will be in a deeper shadow. Thank goodness for layers: I'll be able to mess around with that pretty easily. Thank you again!
Post by: AquaAurion on November 15, 2015, 05:50:21 PM
I have a thing which needs critiquing!I agree with the others that you should put some more heavy shading on the girl. For the glow itself I'd try making the outside glow a little softer :) Here's a tutorial I found on dA: http://griffsnuff.deviantart.com/art/glow-effect-tutorial-206717406 (http://griffsnuff.deviantart.com/art/glow-effect-tutorial-206717406).Spoiler: show
Specifically, I'm looking for advice on the lighting and the light-dog and stuff. I'm just not entirely happy with it and could use some advice to improve it.
Post by: John Candlebury on November 15, 2015, 10:17:22 PM
I have a thing which needs critiquing!Spoiler: show
Specifically, I'm looking for advice on the lighting and the light-dog and stuff. I'm just not entirely happy with it and could use some advice to improve it.
Adding to what the others said, I noticed that her eyes fight a lot against the dog to be the center of attention. That sort of stuff can make light/darkness contrast look ever so slightly off.
Would suggest to make the eyes a bit darker or to make the dog even more eye catching.
Post by: Piney on November 16, 2015, 11:06:31 PM
So hey, is there anyone who'd be willing to look at a few comic pages of mine and give me feedback on their readability? I showed them to the sub today but I want a third opinion. (I don't want to post them here since it wouldn't be a surprise when I put the finished comic up online.)
Post by: Curry on November 17, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
(This seems like the best place to ask)
So hey, is there anyone who'd be willing to look at a few comic pages of mine and give me feedback on their readability? I showed them to the sub today but I want a third opinion. (I don't want to post them here since it wouldn't be a surprise when I put the finished comic up online.)
I'm down! As a
Post by: mithrysc on November 17, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
(This seems like the best place to ask)
So hey, is there anyone who'd be willing to look at a few comic pages of mine and give me feedback on their readability? I showed them to the sub today but I want a third opinion. (I don't want to post them here since it wouldn't be a surprise when I put the finished comic up online.)
Definitely yes! I can't guarantee that I'll be actually helpful, but I'll do my utmost best.
Post by: Piney on November 17, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
I'm down! As amass consumerwebcomic addictbig fan of comics I can do my best to be helpful! :D
Definitely yes! I can't guarantee that I'll be actually helpful, but I'll do my utmost best.
Great!! I'll send PMs :)
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on November 18, 2015, 12:16:47 PM
(This seems like the best place to ask)If it's still needed I'd be happy to help- love a good webcomic.
So hey, is there anyone who'd be willing to look at a few comic pages of mine and give me feedback on their readability? I showed them to the sub today but I want a third opinion. (I don't want to post them here since it wouldn't be a surprise when I put the finished comic up online.)
Post by: Piney on November 18, 2015, 12:56:32 PM
If it's still needed I'd be happy to help- love a good webcomic.
It's not, but I can't say no. (the more feedback the better, right?) Although it's not part of a webcomic, just a small project. I'll PM you.
(Although I'd like to cap it off at three, if there was anyone else who was going to ask)
Post by: nonwal on November 18, 2015, 11:05:24 PM
Link because awkward image sizes D: (http://nonsketch.tumblr.com/post/118575853259/this-is-mostly-geared-towards-painting-braids)
Post by: Curry on November 27, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
.......obviously I have a lot of questions (ཽ๑ඕัළඕั๑)
Post by: starfallz on November 27, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
Aaaaaalright, I want to get into dip pens (for inking), but I have no idea where to start or what to look for or anything. I have a kind-of-sketchy link to these (http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Animation-Watercolors-Knives-Pencils/dp/B00TG8IJZ0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) on Amazon but I'm not sure if these are what I really want?? What should I look for in nibs specifically for art? Is there any difference between drawing nibs and calligraphy nibs?
.......obviously I have a lot of questions (ཽ๑ඕัළඕั๑)
Calligraphy nibs are going to be wide and flat so you can do those thick and thin lines in writing easily. You want some of the other dip pens. Speedball has a set of a variety of nibs and a holder that might be good for experimenting with: http://www.dickblick.com/products/speedball-standard-point-dip-pen-nibs/
Also, I'm not into dip pens so much, so you might want to as Haiz or some other dip pen person what they use.
Post by: Piney on November 27, 2015, 02:44:36 PM
Aaaaaalright, I want to get into dip pens (for inking), but I have no idea where to start or what to look for or anything. I have a kind-of-sketchy link to these (http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Animation-Watercolors-Knives-Pencils/dp/B00TG8IJZ0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) on Amazon but I'm not sure if these are what I really want?? What should I look for in nibs specifically for art? Is there any difference between drawing nibs and calligraphy nibs?
.......obviously I have a lot of questions (ཽ๑ඕัළඕั๑)
I take three classes I have to use dip pens for, and all the professors recommend Speedball! The 102, 103, 107, etc. are used for drawing (those are the ones that I have, I don't know what others they have). The Speedball "B" and "C" nibs are for lettering/calligraphy in particular - the big nibs in general are. The "B" nibs have a round tip (I have B2, B4, & B6) and the "C" nibs have square tips (I have C2, C4, & C6). My favorite is the 107 for linework because it's not as bendy as 102 or 103 (103 is really soft). Speedball is a really common brand so it should be really easy to get in art supply stores.
Post by: Haiz on November 27, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
NIB TIME NIB TIME NIB TIME NIB TIME
Spoiler: NIB TIME • show
Post by: mithrysc on November 28, 2015, 12:01:17 AM
Aaaaaalright, I want to get into dip pens (for inking), but I have no idea where to start or what to look for or anything. I have a kind-of-sketchy link to these (http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Animation-Watercolors-Knives-Pencils/dp/B00TG8IJZ0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) on Amazon but I'm not sure if these are what I really want?? What should I look for in nibs specifically for art? Is there any difference between drawing nibs and calligraphy nibs?
.......obviously I have a lot of questions (ཽ๑ඕัළඕั๑)
I second the Speedball (aka Hunt?) nibs. I have somewhat opposite preferences, though, since I prefer more flexible nibs: my favorites are the normal 102 crowquill (nice and thin) and the 101 imperial (flexible for nice swooshy lines and also holds a ton of ink). I'd suggest you buy one of the Speedball starting packs (I would give advice but it seems they've repackaged the nibs from when I bought them) and play around with how each nib feels.
Post by: Curry on November 28, 2015, 12:46:27 AM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on November 28, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4459e738f92bf0ec381965368c85d08f/tumblr_nyjbahvxIH1uxdy8lo1_1280.jpg)
Post by: nonwal on December 01, 2015, 12:26:44 AM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4816d138ca142a36d3b9f44a546d8539/tumblr_nubu64Twsb1tg3dpfo1_500.jpg)
The watercolors probably cost me $70 in all, which is almost a dollar per mL, but the pigment is incredibly concentrated and they look so pretty. (http://41.media.tumblr.com/84b6cfa7e7f94dbab55c1f50e8b2b2c5/tumblr_nujgoiRLKO1tg3dpfo1_1280.jpg) I wish these brands sold paint in smaller quantities so I could buy more colors ;A;
Post by: Kiraly on December 06, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/549a4a5584eae143f544f2cb72e63eb2/tumblr_nyxvzpN4Vm1qjas7jo1_540.png)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/cba6d9d7ea9daaf0c1c5dd1ddc613088/tumblr_nyxvzpN4Vm1qjas7jo2_540.png)
This is only a tiny fraction of what I have, but it's my standard watercolor/colored pencil setup. There are more colored pencils in the pouch on the right, but the ones I use most are on the table. I got a set of Blick brand colored pencils when I was in college (and lived near a Blick store...I miss those days) and I love how soft they are! I haven't found other colored pencils that blend as well, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places.
My watercolors are a mishmash of brands...at some point I should post the guide I made so I could remember which colors were which, because I can't think of them off the top of my head. (I didn't see any responses to the question daiseerose asked about watercolor brands, so at some point I'll try to look and see what brands I have). I try to have at least one warmer hue and one cooler hue of each primary color (like pthalo blue and ultramarine) but I'm still figuring out where the gaps are in my palette. The brushes are also a hodgepodge (some were purchased, some were gifts) but as you can see I mostly have smaller brushes. I have others that are larger, but I usually use those for acrylics (which would be a whole separate post.) The paper is a 140 lb / 300 gsm hot press glued block, which is nice because that way the edges don't curl up. I like to work on really smooth paper because I tend to combine watercolors and colored pencils to get fine details.
I also have some micron pens in there (I don't always ink things, but when I do those are my favorite) and my trusty .7 mm mechanical pencil. The sketchbook is mostly filled with pencil doodles, some of which become drawings all their own and others which become ideas for paintings.
Oh, and there's a bonus shot of the lazy Blessed Feline sleeping in his window hammock. Very important to the artistic process. ;)
Post by: SugaAndSpice on December 06, 2015, 02:50:39 PM
Post by: taybee on December 08, 2015, 02:09:29 AM
So I have to say that I'm most comfortable with digital art- I of course use Paint Tool Sai and Photoshop with a 13inch Cintiq.
NOW FOR TRADITIONAL ART, for example, my comics...
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2r6f75s.png)
(two different comics completely)
I swear by Bristol Paper- brand doesn't matter as long as it's thick and smooth. I like it because it's good for ink, markers, AND watercolor. Downside: good luck getting it through your printer, for my comics i've started sketching digitally then printing it out THEN lining, which I use a g-pen nib for!
I saw some talk about Speedball nibs earlier, and i gotta say they didn't work for me. Since i got the G-nib Speedball nibs just feel really flimsy to me now- especially being you drop it more than an inch and its bent for good sdfg
and of course COPIC MARKERSSS~~
(http://i64.tinypic.com/25p7exw.jpg)
I don't have a TON but between me and my roomate's collection we have almost every color anyway haha Only downside to these is they smear like crazy with the calligraphy ink, so when I use copics I line with microns.
Post by: Curry on December 08, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
Post by: taybee on December 09, 2015, 12:24:49 AM
I've also gotten a lot from the Copic booth at Anime Expo, which are only like $3-4 there!! But getting into the con itself is expensive enough, especially if you don't live in the area haha
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on December 09, 2015, 08:55:04 AM
Cintiq.
I have never ever seen such thing.....
is it even better in some way, then the most cheapest small tablets, or, they are nothing special but suuuuper expensive?
I always wonder about this........
I actually need a new tablet, and wonder if even worth to get a bit more expensive tablet (not cintiq) or I should just stay at the tiny and super-cheap tablets..........
Post by: Curry on December 09, 2015, 10:46:04 AM
Yeah they are gah- I've gotten most of mine from http://www.carpediemstore.com/ the shipping is kind of expensive, so it's best to buy in bulk instead of just one marker if you shop there! They have a lot of deals too
I've also gotten a lot from the Copic booth at Anime Expo, which are only like $3-4 there!! But getting into the con itself is expensive enough, especially if you don't live in the area haha
gah, I live in hell (Florida) so although we have them at Michaels they're all ridiculously expensive there. like, $6 a marker and I die :"3c thanks for sharing that link though!!! I'll keep that in mind!!!
@martti, cintiqs are WONDERFUL but also so so very expensive and that's yet another thing on my wishlist hahaha
Post by: Rabbit on December 09, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
I have never ever seen such thing.....
is it even better in some way, then the most cheapest small tablets, or, they are nothing special but suuuuper expensive?
I always wonder about this........
I actually need a new tablet, and wonder if even worth to get a bit more expensive tablet (not cintiq) or I should just stay at the tiny and super-cheap tablets..........
I've never seen a Cintiq in the wild either, but I have an A5-sized Intuos 3 and it has served me faithfully for *counts fingers* nine years of near-daily use, never needed any maintenance save for replacement pen nibs and a protection film for the drawing surface to reduce the wear. So, I guess if you think about how long a good tablet is going to last you, the cost per day sounds a lot better. How big were you thinking? Size is a big factor in the cost, and while I'm far from a pro or even a serious amateur the A5 has served quite well (plus it's just about the same size as my laptop so it's handy to transport :P)
Post by: Haiz on December 09, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on December 09, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
@martti, cintiqs are WONDERFUL but also so so very expensive and that's yet another thing on my wishlist hahaha
I kinda wish I could have some cool tablet, but I am not even good at art to have one like that..... maybe when I get like 50 and keep drawint till then I can improve my art until then to deserve a tablet like that......
I've never seen a Cintiq in the wild either, but I have an A5-sized Intuos 3 and it has served me faithfully for *counts fingers* nine years of near-daily use, never needed any maintenance save for replacement pen nibs and a protection film for the drawing surface to reduce the wear. So, I guess if you think about how long a good tablet is going to last you, the cost per day sounds a lot better. How big were you thinking? Size is a big factor in the cost, and while I'm far from a pro or even a serious amateur the A5 has served quite well (plus it's just about the same size as my laptop so it's handy to transport :P)
my tablet is more then 5 years (unsure if I bought it in 2009 or 2010), still working however the cable is kind of broken, which means if I move the cable just a bit, it disconnects itself and after the disconnection it won't work properly (no pressure). it was really bad in 2013 november, when it disconnected itself every 10 minute and only a restart can make the pressure back, so drawing an art for 4 hours, there around 30 min is the actual drawing the other is just restarting the whole computer, because no other way to fix it. I bought a new tablet, also a cheap one, but that broke after a year, so no guarantee anymore, so I can just threw it out, because the service place I asked for repair them said, they don't do these stuffs, and connect the companies, but what the company can do even with a broken cable?? they won't send me a new tablet just because of the broken cable?? also these tablets are so cheap, that it is cheaper to buy a new one then repair them anyway....
so basically I use the old one, which (luckily) does not disconnect itself that often anymore, kinda never does, unless I kick the cable on accident. other luckily about it, that more then 2 years ago I kinda stepped on it's pen and I kinda break it, but only the battery-holder, which broke completely after many month, my brother fixed it temporary, then I connected the company and they sent me a completely new pen free, I was so happy, then the tablet got the cable problems so I was really unhappy about that....
still I have fear what if it start acting like it did 2 years ago? that's why I plan to buy a new tablet sometime....
My first tablet was a Wacom Bamboo i got one christmas that I didn't really use all that much - I was very young and expected drawing digitally to be much easier so I kinda lost my motivation. Then sometime last year I decided that no, I will draw digitally, maybe it'll help with a different tablet and program? And after hearing a lot of good stuff about Huion tablets on tumblr, that's what i bought, because it was affordable haha ha..... but I've been using it a lot, especially this year, and I'm pretty happy with my choice ^___________^
my first tablet was a really stupid tiny tablet, it was actually my father's tablet, but I stole it because he was not using it anyway (I am sure he did not buy it for art xD). it was really tiny (around A6 size) and no pressure at all. I used it mostly for colouring and after a time I got used to for it, and managed to draw with it, until I bought my own tablet more then 5 years ago (which I sue at the moment), I wanted a tablet that has pressure, that was literally all I wanted in the tablet (Trust sketch design tablet and pen). pretty cool tablet, it was not working for me how I wanted, because I had Win XP at first, and it requested vista or higher xD but I changed system JUST FOR THE TABLET
sometimes when I hear that artist (with low art skill, or just started doing arts) they buy pretty expensive tablets (for me, they are expensive compared the prize to my tablets) and I am like "if you think an expensive tablet will make your art perfect, you are really wrong and you'll get disappointed" and also it is same with the artprograms, I mean, I started in MS paint xD and I liked that too, then my brother won an artprogram, which I started using for colouring my traditional art outlines., then got photoshop, and sai and tried some other programs (mangastudio 5 was the most recent one).
I started with traditional arts, mostly coloured pencils, I drew tons of arts on paper before I even started using tablet (started drawing arts in late 2006). but since around 2011, I draw less and less on paper, and now I am more into digital only. my tablet is my dearest friend. if it dies, I die with it, unless I get an other one.
I actually love my tablet that I use..... if it had no cable problems, it would be the most perfect tablet I have.
ALSO I can't really buy from random online places, maybe that tablet is good, like it is said, but I can't really buy them here in any shop, or at least I did not find it.... I would prefer hungarian shops, because in case they broke, they can be replaced or fixed if it breaks in a year. if I order online from an other country, I can't do that.....
(or like when I tried to buy a new tablet 2 years ago I bought a tablet, but it was not working at all with my computer/artprograms and I took it back to the shop (in 3 days) and I returned the product saying my problems, I got my money back and I bought an other one)
right now the cheapest tablet I can buy is the tablet I own but broken (genius), it was really good too, or at least nothing too bad about it, but it is typical problem with genius tablets that its pen break easily. that is my tablet's problem, but on their website I could not connect them to get a new pen. (I am often really blind to find things ;3; )
I talked too much randomness here, sorry.
Post by: Ana Nymus on December 09, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
my first tablet was a really stupid tiny tablet, it was actually my father's tablet, but I stole it because he was not using it anyway (I am sure he did not buy it for art xD).
Same with me: I "permanently borrowed" my dad's tablet (he wasn't using it and later gave me permission, so all is good). For the first year+ I was using it properly because I didn't know I needed to download additional software, so it didn't have any pressure and none of the buttons worked. Then I did a little digging and found the software that I needed, and now it works pretty well for my purposes! It's a little small (maybe around 7 inches wide), but that means it fits in my laptop case perfectly so I can carry it around.
Post by: Lenny on December 10, 2015, 08:19:09 AM
My first tablet was a very very very old Wacom (model from the 1990s). I think it was an Intuos? It was very large, and heavy, and cost me $110 AU online, but I WANTED A LARGE TABLET so I was GOING TO GET ONE. I think I was about 13 when I bought it. It still worked with one of those connections that are impossible to use with laptops, not USB... and it was impossible to get a driver for it above Windows XP, so I used that for as long as possible, too. It had great pen pressure, and it lasted quite a long time. The only reason I let go of it was because I really needed both something portable, and something that was able to work with newer operating systems without having to adapt drivers for it >.> (Also having something that connects via USB is also nice to have, hah.)
My second was a Monoprice. Basically a rebranded Huon tablet. SUPER CHEAP, cost about 80$AU for the second largest model (which happened to be the exact same size as my laptop, which was awesome for transportation reasons). I had a huge issue with this one in one specific area: it kept on seeing Krita and SAI's canvases as being screen-split, if I ever used two monitors at once. There was no way around this, so... *sniffs and waves goodbye at days of watching anime + drawing* But other than that (and the fact that you needed batteries for the pen *frowns*), I had a good deal of use out of it. It had the sweetest pressure range, and it lasted around 3 years before the cable became slightly unstable and I upgraded to my current tablet. It's still mine in name, but my brother now uses it.
My current one is a Wacom Intuos Pro Medium!~ I upgraded last year, and it was woooorth it. So worth it. I may be officially a hobby artist as I'm not using it for a living or studying it, but I use it daily, and this thing is awesome. The cable is separated from the tablet, so if it ever has connection issues you only need to replace the cable (this is a typical Wacom thing, but Monoprice did not have this so it was a death sentence when that cable started getting loose). It has a wireless mode! with a very long battery life! So that reduces clutter and risk of damaging cable (and comfortable art positions). It came with the sweetest pen holder and a whole assortment of nibs, and the design is so beautiful. Also the tablet shortcut buttons are extremely handy. And of course the pressure range is even better than the Monoprice, and far outstrips my old Wacom :') It's also yet again the same size as my laptop, so! Very handy. However, this one was by far the priciest, at 300$AU new. I also seem to have acquired a very odd and specific bug after updating to Krita 2.9... it seems to be with this particular Intuos line, and I suspect the drivers. Krita 2.9 (and further builds) refuses to recognise the tablet as a tablet, and rather reads it as a mouse. Not all Intuos Pro tablets do this - the majority do not, it's a very odd bug. However, I've read one account online of the exact same issue, and I have a friend who also has that problem with it. Hoping the wipe and reinstall of my laptop that I'll be doing in the Christmas holidays will fix that...
I still dream of a Cintiq, though.
One day... when I have money that I can legitimately spend on it...
one day
Post by: mithrysc on December 10, 2015, 09:15:47 AM
My current one is a Wacom Intuos Pro Medium!~ I upgraded last year, and it was woooorth it. So worth it. I may be officially a hobby artist as I'm not using it for a living or studying it, but I use it daily, and this thing is awesome. The cable is separated from the tablet, so if it ever has connection issues you only need to replace the cable (this is a typical Wacom thing, but Monoprice did not have this so it was a death sentence when that cable started getting loose). It has a wireless mode! with a very long battery life! So that reduces clutter and risk of damaging cable (and comfortable art positions). It came with the sweetest pen holder and a whole assortment of nibs, and the design is so beautiful. Also the tablet shortcut buttons are extremely handy. And of course the pressure range is even better than the Monoprice, and far outstrips my old Wacom :') It's also yet again the same size as my laptop, so! Very handy. However, this one was by far the priciest, at 300$AU new. I also seem to have acquired a very odd and specific bug after updating to Krita 2.9... it seems to be with this particular Intuos line, and I suspect the drivers. Krita 2.9 (and further builds) refuses to recognise the tablet as a tablet, and rather reads it as a mouse. Not all Intuos Pro tablets do this - the majority do not, it's a very odd bug. However, I've read one account online of the exact same issue, and I have a friend who also has that problem with it. Hoping the wipe and reinstall of my laptop that I'll be doing in the Christmas holidays will fix that...
My current and only tablet is also a slightly older Intuos 4 Medium (I got really confused when they renamed/rebranded everything and I was looking for driver updates). I can't remember exactly how much it cost beyond "pricey," but I'm pretty sure I got an educational discount on it... The shortcut buttons are really nice, and I also like the set of nibs they provide. Especially the felt. It's slightly longer than my laptop, but since no one sells 14" laptop cases anyway I can carry it together with my laptop, which is nice.
The only problems I've had with it so far was when using it with Photoshop elements: no matter how smooth I tried to draw my lines they turned out jagged and pixellated. Apparently it was actually a somewhat common photoshop/windows problem related to the driver, but I was able to solve it by just updating my outdated driver version.
Post by: taybee on December 11, 2015, 02:17:47 AM
The cintiq is great, definetly worth the price- the only thing that bugs me is the colors are slightly less saturated than my main monitor (i have my setup as if i had 2 monitors, the second being the cintiq) but that all varies with different screens and is customizeable as well.
Post by: Athena on December 12, 2015, 01:45:16 AM
Anyone got any advice?
Post by: callipygous on December 13, 2015, 09:37:52 PM
(http://orig01.deviantart.net/7b9f/f/2015/347/3/6/kcft_by_chamoemile-d9k2cth.png)(http://orig01.deviantart.net/7a38/f/2015/347/f/9/kcft2_by_chamoemile-d9k2cts.png)(http://orig10.deviantart.net/40f1/f/2015/347/0/3/kcft3_3_by_chamoemile-d9k2cu5.png)
THEYRE 3 SEPARATE FILES!! YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM
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Post by: Curry on December 13, 2015, 09:54:02 PM
IM HERE FROM FINALS HELL TO DROP A TUTORIAL ON COLORS AND SHADING AND DESIGN
[snop]
THEYRE 3 SEPARATE FILES!! YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM
ILL BE FULLTIME BACK BY THURSDAY HOPEFULLY!!!
LMAO I LOVE YOUR TUTORIALS.... they're always hilarious wiTH REALLY GOOD POINTS please continue to make all the tuts
Post by: Aierdome on December 14, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
IM HERE FROM FINALS HELL TO DROP A TUTORIAL ON COLORS AND SHADING AND DESIGN
(snip)
THEYRE 3 SEPARATE FILES!! YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM
ILL BE FULLTIME BACK BY THURSDAY HOPEFULLY!!!
Wow! That's super-helpful. Thank you!
So, I need abut of help with drawing trolls...You mean scandinavian trolls or SSSS trolls? ;)
Anyone got any advice?
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on December 14, 2015, 03:11:51 PM
on the colouring tutorial, you say a colour for base for skin and choose some greenish shade for shading and say no, and redish as yes, then add the green is wrong because it will make your character look dead
WHAT IF THAT IS MY AIM ON MY ART TO MAKE THE CHARACTER LOOK DEAD.
it could be saying something like "it makes the character looks dead, don1t use it, unless you want them dead"
just saying.
Post by: callipygous on December 14, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
of course thats something you can do?? i am not forbidding it nor am i any kind of authority on color, but in the context of the tutorial, the example, and how many characters and ocs people draw are "living", i decided to show how the norm would probably be. by all means use greens and purples and blues to shade however many dead or sickly characters you want, im not stopping you. reds and pinks are generally used more liberally because of the blood beneath the skin giving it that color, rather than cooler tones that would be more appropriate for zombies. im definitely not saying dont use it - it was an example wherein the subject was not meant to look sickly, so i chose the appropriate palette. shade as you please for however you see fit, my tutorial is not the sole way to do thingsI am laughing here because I am weird and I think I am funny
on the colouring tutorial, you say a colour for base for skin and choose some greenish shade for shading and say no, and redish as yes, then add the green is wrong because it will make your character look dead
WHAT IF THAT IS MY AIM ON MY ART TO MAKE THE CHARACTER LOOK DEAD.
it could be saying something like "it makes the character looks dead, don1t use it, unless you want them dead"
just saying.but also the shadow could be different by lights and the reflection of our surroundings, but I guess those are kind of advanced shading...
and yes, shadows fall differently on the face and show different structures depending on light source, environment, refracted light and ambient light. i was demonstrating a more natural shading, meant to showcase color rather than dramatics. it may seem difficult, but there are plenty of tutorials out there that teach more advanced ways to shade, its just a matter of finding them and experimenting with them
EDIT: this might help:
(http://orig12.deviantart.net/9ce7/f/2015/348/3/d/hhhhhhh_by_chamoemile-d9k6vp3.png)
the 'green' shade was just a darker shade of the base. the ones i used to shade involved moving the hue, which was the entire point i was making in the tutorial. many artists just use a darker shade of their base for shadows, but changing the hue to shade will make pieces more interesting and give them more depth and visual interest
Post by: Athena on December 15, 2015, 01:27:06 AM
Wow! That's super-helpful. Thank you!SSSS trolls, of course! ;)
You mean scandinavian trolls or SSSS trolls? ;)
Post by: Gwenno on December 15, 2015, 07:10:48 AM
SSSS trolls, of course! ;)
I hardly think I'm a competent enough artist to actually post a tutorial, but seeing as nobody else has produced anything else I'll show you how I go about designing trolls (if nothing else, I've drawn and designed a fair few of these lovelies over the last year), and who knows, maybe it will help? Just a quick thing, I'm a bit too busy to produce works of beauty atm :P Also, each troll is different, but these things I'm saying are generally true across the board as far as my own drawing experience goes. I also didn't mutate this one too far because I wanted there to be a strong resemblance to the original skeleton picture. Erm, yeah, that's probably enough rambling and excuses. Hope it helps at least a little >"<
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Post by: Athena on December 15, 2015, 11:34:15 AM
I hardly think I'm a competent enough artist to actually post a tutorial, but seeing as nobody else has produced anything else I'll show you how I go about designing trolls (if nothing else, I've drawn and designed a fair few of these lovelies over the last year), and who knows, maybe it will help? Just a quick thing, I'm a bit too busy to produce works of beauty atm :P Also, each troll is different, but these things I'm saying are generally true across the board as far as my own drawing experience goes. I also didn't mutate this one too far because I wanted there to be a strong resemblance to the original skeleton picture. Erm, yeah, that's probably enough rambling and excuses. Hope it helps at least a little >"<Thank you so much, this is just what I need! I do have a pretty basic understanding of human anatomy and I knew it should be based somewhat off that but I wasn't really sure how to start and this really helped. :)Spoiler: show
Post by: frenci on January 08, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
is not a whow to animate one, but a how to save as gif and ho i do pixel arts
i will do a how toanimate one tho ^^
i better warn you i saund verry akward
but i know that next time i shal do better! (the question is how much next it will be)
Post by: mithrysc on January 08, 2016, 10:21:10 PM
Post by: Sc0ut on January 09, 2016, 07:32:36 AM
I'm a professional artist and I was lucky enough to test all kinds of Wacoms, including a Cintiq, at work. Not to rain on your parade guys, but I didn't like the Cintiq and swapped it for my old Intuos after a couple of weeks. Ergonomics is really important to me, if something makes me work in a position where I'm sore after a couple of hours, I fling it out the window. And the Cintiq did just that. My lower back and right shoulder were bust after a day's work. Whatever advantage the Cintiq might have (it is a bit faster/more intuitive/more comfortable to work on the screen directly) it just isn't worth it for me if I can't use it a whole day without hurting my body. The difference anyway is really small. It's not like my art or speed improved massively while working with it. Now I work from home and use a tiny Bamboo and it actually has all I need (though the extra buttons on the Intuos were useful too when I had them - just not vital). I wouldn't switch it for a Cintiq!
This isn't the case for everyone. My work mates actually kept their Cintiqs though they complained about back aches too. Just something to consider if you care about your body as well as your art. Ideally you should try to test one (for at least a day, not just a few minutes) before buying it, to see if it's right for you.
Post by: taybee on January 17, 2016, 01:47:10 AM
I randomly wandered to this thread and saw the old tablet discussion and just dropping my 2c in (hopefully I won't bury mithrysc's question, that I have no answer for).
I'm a professional artist and I was lucky enough to test all kinds of Wacoms, including a Cintiq, at work. Not to rain on your parade guys, but I didn't like the Cintiq and swapped it for my old Intuos after a couple of weeks. Ergonomics is really important to me, if something makes me work in a position where I'm sore after a couple of hours, I fling it out the window. And the Cintiq did just that. My lower back and right shoulder were bust after a day's work. Whatever advantage the Cintiq might have (it is a bit faster/more intuitive/more comfortable to work on the screen directly) it just isn't worth it for me if I can't use it a whole day without hurting my body. The difference anyway is really small. It's not like my art or speed improved massively while working with it. Now I work from home and use a tiny Bamboo and it actually has all I need (though the extra buttons on the Intuos were useful too when I had them - just not vital). I wouldn't switch it for a Cintiq!
This isn't the case for everyone. My work mates actually kept their Cintiqs though they complained about back aches too. Just something to consider if you care about your body as well as your art. Ideally you should try to test one (for at least a day, not just a few minutes) before buying it, to see if it's right for you.
I've heard of some people not liking them, so it probably just depends whatever is comfortable for you! In my case my desk has a pull-out drawer where they keyboard usually sits- I put my tablet here instead, and use the stand to make it sit at a pretty steep angle so I can lean back in my chair while i draw versus leaning over the tablet (which DOES start to hurt!)
(I'm also curious- what do you do for work??:O )
As for the marker question- I haven't tried anything but copics, but i've heard Prismacolor has a similar type of marker that might be cheaper?
Post by: TicTac on January 17, 2016, 03:13:56 AM
But anyway, my art supplies I shall talk about, because I'm super excited about them. For Christmas, I got an AMAZING art kit. It had watercolour paints, oil paints, and acrylic paints. As well as watercolour pencils, three different brushes for each set of paints, two canvases, a watercolour pad, a collapsible easel, and it is beautiful. I haven't finished anything yet, though I've been experimenting with the watercolours, and I've made plans for an oil painting. But it's the best thing I've ever seen in my life, art supply wise. It's beautiful.
Post by: Silenter on January 31, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
I have only considered the portable Cintiq, and not the full on 24HD ones and such.
Post by: Unlos on February 17, 2016, 05:07:13 AM
Agh, downloaded sculptris to play with. And it is fun! But very different! I'm trying to sculpt Reynir, and am in unknown territory. I like the nose. But that chin is a lot more forward than a chin should be. More may follow.
Post by: AquaAurion on February 17, 2016, 05:28:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MezXZOp.png?1)I think it looks good so far! I also started playing with it a few days ago.
Agh, downloaded sculptris to play with. And it is fun! But very different! I'm trying to sculpt Reynir, and am in unknown territory. I like the nose. But that chin is a lot more forward than a chin should be. More may follow.
If you want to move the chin back, take the move tool and select the whole area you want to move, then move it back carefully :) I had the same problem when I was working
Here's what I did
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Post by: Unlos on February 17, 2016, 05:50:14 AM
I think it looks good so far! I also started playing with it a few days ago.Thank you, now I know to look for the move tool! And ooh, nice elf!
If you want to move the chin back, take the move tool and select the whole area you want to move, then move it back carefully :) I had the same problem when I was working
Here's what I didSpoiler: show
*EDIT*: THANK YOU for leading me to the move tool!!
Post by: Unlos on February 17, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
I think it looks good so far! I also started playing with it a few days ago.
If you want to move the chin back, take the move tool and select the whole area you want to move, then move it back carefully :) I had the same problem when I was working
Here's what I didSpoiler: show
So I had time to fiddle some more with it today, and now the sculpt looks a lot more human, although not quite like Reynir. He has a very characteristic jawline that I'm having trouble with. But here it is now:
(http://i.imgur.com/E4qQMBw.png?1)
Post by: AquaAurion on February 17, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Thank you, now I know to look for the move tool! And ooh, nice elf!The move tool is the tool I used the most and I'm rather impressed what you managed to do without it!
*EDIT*: THANK YOU for leading me to the move tool!!
Thank you =3
Yes, much more human :) I think it will look more like Reynir when you do the hair
So I had time to fiddle some more with it today, and now the sculpt looks a lot more human, although not quite like Reynir. He has a very characteristic jawline that I'm having trouble with. But here it is now:
(http://i.imgur.com/E4qQMBw.png?1)
oh and a tip is to fix the ears before the hair!
Post by: Fauna on February 17, 2016, 02:45:52 PM
So I had time to fiddle some more with it today, and now the sculpt looks a lot more human, although not quite like Reynir. He has a very characteristic jawline that I'm having trouble with. But here it is now:
(http://i.imgur.com/E4qQMBw.png?1)
Looks nice! But pay attention to how the neck attaches to the skull and the jawline. It seems the figure is jutting the head way too much forward. In a pose like that, there's a rule of thumb. In profile, you should be able to place a ruler along the edge of the throat, which is a relatively straight line. The ruler should then run across the eye socket area. Here's a ref:
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Post by: AquaAurion on February 17, 2016, 03:05:09 PM
Looks nice! But pay attention to how the neck attaches to the skull and the jawline. It seems the figure is jutting the head way too much forward. In a pose like that, there's a rule of thumb. In profile, you should be able to place a ruler along the edge of the throat, which is a relatively straight line. The ruler should then run across the eye socket area. Here's a ref:I had no idea, thank you for adding it to the thread!Spoiler: show
Post by: Unlos on February 17, 2016, 04:22:59 PM
Looks nice! But pay attention to how the neck attaches to the skull and the jawline. It seems the figure is jutting the head way too much forward. In a pose like that, there's a rule of thumb. In profile, you should be able to place a ruler along the edge of the throat, which is a relatively straight line. The ruler should then run across the eye socket area. Here's a ref:Thank you, good to know! (I love reference lines so will definitely add this to the collection.)Spoiler: show
That neck is definitely attached too far back, yep.
My arms feel like they're made of lead right now so I think I may have to stop for today. Progress under the spoiler, and thank you for the help :)
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Post by: Sc0ut on February 17, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
Seems like I made the neck too thick in my piece
Not necessarily. Men generally have thicker necks than women (the muscles on and around it influence this), and the model in Fauna's reference has an almost unusually thin and long neck imho.
Post by: Cliodna on February 18, 2016, 05:59:42 AM
Thank you, good to know! (I love reference lines so will definitely add this to the collection.)It seems to me from the final image that the back of his head is lower than his jawline. That's generally not the case in humans, though it's possible that it won't stay visible once you stick some Reynir-hair on it. It looks good, but I'm having trouble seeing the similarities between it and Reynir. =) Perhaps if you worked a bit further on the eyebrows?
That neck is definitely attached too far back, yep.
My arms feel like they're made of lead right now so I think I may have to stop for today. Progress under the spoiler, and thank you for the help :)Spoiler: show
Here's something I've been working on
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It's meant to be a sort of companion/sequel to this (http://orig15.deviantart.net/f063/f/2016/025/9/4/blind_panic_by_cliotna-d9p1f4x.png) picture, and depicts a few childhood scenes of a blind character of mine. I currently try to just...paint over it, as many times as it takes until I get it to look right but so far I haven't succeeded. One thing that I'm having especial trouble with is the lighting - I'm trying to go for this sort of warm, but really harsh direct summer light. The kind that comes through windows, lighting everything up, yet casting strong shadows.
Post by: Unlos on February 18, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
It seems to me from the final image that the back of his head is lower than his jawline. That's generally not the case in humans, though it's possible that it won't stay visible once you stick some Reynir-hair on it. It looks good, but I'm having trouble seeing the similarities between it and Reynir. =) Perhaps if you worked a bit further on the eyebrows?The back of his head hadn't really received any attention, partly for the hair-reason and partly for being a boring place where not much happens pushed aside for later. But it's definitely something that needs to be fixed before it's done, so thank you! (Meanwhile I'm banging my head against the wall because all attempts at making hair have been horrible and then scrapped - the last one made this weird thousands of little triangles of geometry turning up like a mountainrange that just became worse when I tried to push it down. Even without that, the hair is just really too hard to make. I've gone back to working on a photoshop Reynir just to calm down a bit)
Here's something I've been working onSpoiler: show
It's meant to be a sort of companion/sequel to this (http://orig15.deviantart.net/f063/f/2016/025/9/4/blind_panic_by_cliotna-d9p1f4x.png) picture, and depicts a few childhood scenes of a blind character of mine. I currently try to just...paint over it, as many times as it takes until I get it to look right but so far I haven't succeeded. One thing that I'm having especial trouble with is the lighting - I'm trying to go for this sort of warm, but really harsh direct summer light. The kind that comes through windows, lighting everything up, yet casting strong shadows.
Those pictures are really sweet and emotional! The lighting could be a lot lighter on the highlight, I think. I looked through my folder of summer pictures and the highlight turn out almost white. Or yellow/red for low evening sun. The source of light in your picture is not clear to me. Does it come from the window/door with curtain behind the child? Or from the ladys right? I hope that helps some!
Post by: Fauna on February 18, 2016, 05:57:42 PM
Thank you, good to know! (I love reference lines so will definitely add this to the collection.)Better! But remember that the 'line' rule only applies to that specific pose, it is not universal. If the head moves, obviously the relationship between the eye socket and the neck is going to change as well.
That neck is definitely attached too far back, yep.
My arms feel like they're made of lead right now so I think I may have to stop for today. Progress under the spoiler, and thank you for the help :)Spoiler: show
Don't forget to check against a skull reference when doing realistic work like this. Notably, I recommend you to check the distance between the bottom of eye socket and the zygomatic arch, how the ear canal relates to the zygomatic arch, and the relationship between the canine teeth points and the corners of the chin when viewed from the front.
If you think of the teeth area as a 'cylinder' kind of shape, the canine teeth mark the furthest outward point, corners so to speak. The same is true even when you wrap skin and lips around the structure, so you need to get this distance right. At the moment, your chin is way too broad compared to the canine teeth, which generally doesn't happen in a healthy, normally developed skull.
Post by: Cliodna on February 19, 2016, 12:49:44 AM
The back of his head hadn't really received any attention, partly for the hair-reason and partly for being a boring place where not much happens pushed aside for later. But it's definitely something that needs to be fixed before it's done, so thank you! (Meanwhile I'm banging my head against the wall because all attempts at making hair have been horrible and then scrapped - the last one made this weird thousands of little triangles of geometry turning up like a mountainrange that just became worse when I tried to push it down. Even without that, the hair is just really too hard to make. I've gone back to working on a photoshop Reynir just to calm down a bit)
Those pictures are really sweet and emotional! The lighting could be a lot lighter on the highlight, I think. I looked through my folder of summer pictures and the highlight turn out almost white. Or yellow/red for low evening sun. The source of light in your picture is not clear to me. Does it come from the window/door with curtain behind the child? Or from the ladys right? I hope that helps some!
I was hoping to go for two sources of light - there's the window with the curtain behind the girl, and another, somewhat brighter, light-source to the right of the lady, off the canvas (an open door? An open window on the sunny side of the house?). Harsher lights might be something to try, yes. And the shadows might be made lighter as well, I guess, for the contrast feels rather overblown and artificial to me right now. If anything then it just reminds me of cold winter light at the moment, which might be explainable by the weather we've been having for the last four months. :( I've just...never really done light like this before and I really don't want to stop until I get the effect I desire.
Post by: Fauna on February 19, 2016, 09:51:13 AM
I was hoping to go for two sources of light - there's the window with the curtain behind the girl, and another, somewhat brighter, light-source to the right of the lady, off the canvas (an open door? An open window on the sunny side of the house?). Harsher lights might be something to try, yes. And the shadows might be made lighter as well, I guess, for the contrast feels rather overblown and artificial to me right now. If anything then it just reminds me of cold winter light at the moment, which might be explainable by the weather we've been having for the last four months. :( I've just...never really done light like this before and I really don't want to stop until I get the effect I desire.
It is a really sweet picture :) But remember that the sun is only directly shining from one direction on the sky. The light will not be equally strong from both the door and the window, especially as the window have curtains.
There is no real source of cold colors in this scene. Even direct sunlight will not cause blue highlights in black hair, for example. I would suggest you do something like this, to bring the color scheme together a bit more:
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What i did was to simply layer a warmer color over your piece and erase shadows into it. Rule of thumb for natural daylight is warm light, cold shadows. Cold light like in your picture would work well to illustrate a winter or nighttime scene.
Over all, try working with a more limited palett. Your colors are all over the color wheel right now - you have strong blues, strong cold yellows and strong warm orange hues. Pick a dominant color (blue, orange, yellow, ect.) and work from that, making the others a bit less saturated, or perhaps a bit closer to it on the color wheel. For example, if you want to make the piece a bit warmer, you can easily bring the dark blues of the womans dress into the range of unsaturated purple, or even red, and it would still read as blue.
Post by: Unlos on February 19, 2016, 03:54:41 PM
Better! But remember that the 'line' rule only applies to that specific pose, it is not universal. If the head moves, obviously the relationship between the eye socket and the neck is going to change as well.
Don't forget to check against a skull reference when doing realistic work like this. Notably, I recommend you to check the distance between the bottom of eye socket and the zygomatic arch, how the ear canal relates to the zygomatic arch, and the relationship between the canine teeth points and the corners of the chin when viewed from the front.
If you think of the teeth area as a 'cylinder' kind of shape, the canine teeth mark the furthest outward point, corners so to speak. The same is true even when you wrap skin and lips around the structure, so you need to get this distance right. At the moment, your chin is way too broad compared to the canine teeth, which generally doesn't happen in a healthy, normally developed skull.
Thank you so much for taking time for this feedback, it is really helpful!
Post by: Unlos on February 21, 2016, 03:29:32 PM
I added hair, but had sculpted it in a different file because of symmetry, and it turned out remarkably hard to modify. I have placed the hair wayy to low on his head, for starters. (His scalp is showing through at the top, now that I look at it) And scultpting the hair tended to crash the program constantly because it got just a little too much detail in it, I think. And then I tried to paint a very unfinished version just too see what painting in sculptris was like, and it is the uncanniest valleyland. There are, to be fair, a lot of things about this that I like but there are plenty of stuff that is killing me!
*Shoves head in pillow, rageplaces project on shelf for now. Goes back to photoshop to calm myself down*
But here are some more progress shots, for you lovely people who's been helping me, and a colored version that has been deleted for being so very very wrong (the wrongness came through a lot more on the big version).
Spoiler: What has had me occupied for a while • show
Post by: AquaAurion on February 21, 2016, 04:14:47 PM
Warning: Art rant:I think the hair is looking good so far! So much detail! You know you can move the entire hair up by having the move tool set on global, right?
I added hair, but had sculpted it in a different file because of symmetry, and it turned out remarkably hard to modify. I have placed the hair wayy to low on his head, for starters. (His scalp is showing through at the top, now that I look at it) And scultpting the hair tended to crash the program constantly because it got just a little too much detail in it, I think. And then I tried to paint a very unfinished version just too see what painting in sculptris was like, and it is the uncanniest valleyland. There are, to be fair, a lot of things about this that I like but there are plenty of stuff that is killing me!
*Shoves head in pillow, rageplaces project on shelf for now. Goes back to photoshop to calm myself down*
But here are some more progress shots, for you lovely people who's been helping me, and a colored version that has been deleted for being so very very wrong (the wrongness came through a lot more on the big version).Spoiler: What has had me occupied for a while • show
Post by: Unlos on February 22, 2016, 04:51:24 PM
I think the hair is looking good so far! So much detail! You know you can move the entire hair up by having the move tool set on global, right?Thank you! The hair will be moved, but I will need to consult some tutorials on painting before I try that again :P
Post by: Curry on February 23, 2016, 11:22:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1HmNMwu.jpg)
if anybody has any questions (as in: you can't read my handwriting) FEEL FREE TO ASK
Post by: AquaAurion on February 24, 2016, 02:31:53 PM
http://sword-waltz.deviantart.com/art/HOW-TO-ENCHANT-YOUR-SHADING-542112458 (http://sword-waltz.deviantart.com/art/HOW-TO-ENCHANT-YOUR-SHADING-542112458)
(http://img04.deviantart.net/84a0/i/2015/193/e/e/how_to_enchant_your_shading_by_sword_waltz-d8yrcne.jpg)
Post by: Gwenno on February 27, 2016, 08:40:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/azBJDdX.jpg)
***THANK YOU!***
Post by: Unlos on February 27, 2016, 10:09:20 AM
Okay, as I mentioned on the art museum I'd really appreciate some help with facial anatomy so that next time I try to draw something from my head in a realistic style it will be better! I'm fairly happy with the nose shape at least, but the eyes and mouth had been bothering me no matter how much I modified them, and the location of all the different things >"< I can't see what I'm doing wrong, but there's something *off* about it all. (Also feel free to tear apart the lighting, colouring, and anything else you see is wrong, but mainly tell me what to do to draw realistic faces please!!!)I like this a lot, and it is also quite a lot more realistic than your usually style. I'm traveling right now with No art program and slooow internet but will try to post some advice tomorrow ^-^
***THANK YOU!***
Post by: mithrysc on February 27, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
Okay, as I mentioned on the art museum I'd really appreciate some help with facial anatomy so that next time I try to draw something from my head in a realistic style it will be better! I'm fairly happy with the nose shape at least, but the eyes and mouth had been bothering me no matter how much I modified them, and the location of all the different things >"< I can't see what I'm doing wrong, but there's something *off* about it all. (Also feel free to tear apart the lighting, colouring, and anything else you see is wrong, but mainly tell me what to do to draw realistic faces please!!!)
***THANK YOU!***
This is more general advice than critique, but for learning how to construct/ model the face I would recommend studying Andrew Loomis' Drawing the Head and Heads (http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Drawing%20the%20Head%20and%20Hands.pdf) (not least because it's free). Also, references are life-saving here. You don't have to, say, go around copying photos exactly, but even if you just look at yourself in the mirror, seeing how a person's face works (that sounds weird) in a certain angle or expression will definitely help with getting shape and lighting right.
I'll try to get some actual critique about the piece up later when I have a little more time. :)
Post by: AquaAurion on February 27, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
Okay, as I mentioned on the art museum I'd really appreciate some help with facial anatomy so that next time I try to draw something from my head in a realistic style it will be better! I'm fairly happy with the nose shape at least, but the eyes and mouth had been bothering me no matter how much I modified them, and the location of all the different things >"< I can't see what I'm doing wrong, but there's something *off* about it all. (Also feel free to tear apart the lighting, colouring, and anything else you see is wrong, but mainly tell me what to do to draw realistic faces please!!!)For the eyes I think they're a little too open, so combined with a toothy smile he looks a little crazy ;P I'd try to lower the upper lids a little so that it doesn't look as if his eyes are wide open.
(http://i.imgur.com/azBJDdX.jpg)
***THANK YOU!***
Post by: Piney on February 27, 2016, 07:10:09 PM
I don't actually have any experience doing realistic art but I notice a couple things here that make it look a little off. The eyes seem like they might have too much shading around them? They look a little sunken in. Also I feel like they should be about half closed, they're too wide open and that makes it look kinda creepy.
I don't actually have any experience doing realistic art but I notice a couple things here that make it look a little off. The eyes seem like they might have too much shading around them? They look a little sunken in. Also I feel like they should be about half closed, they're too wide open and that makes it look kinda creepy.
Having experience drawing realistic people, I'd say the eyes don't look very sunken in to me, but that there's too much space between the eyes and the eyebrows, so that makes the eyes look a little deeper than they are.
I don't think the eyes are super wide, it's just that they tend not to be perfectly almond-shaped/symmetrical. The bottom eyelid can't widen (I mean, mine can't, so as far as I know) so they're always relaxed. When you smile, the eyelid squinches up, so I think it looks a little weird just because the eyes don't match the mouth. This isn't my best eye, but it might look something like this (http://i.imgur.com/tLUp887.png). Generally when relaxed, the iris will touch both eyelids. Hope I could help!
Post by: Unlos on February 28, 2016, 06:23:45 AM
Okay, as I mentioned on the art museum I'd really appreciate some help with facial anatomy so that next time I try to draw something from my head in a realistic style it will be better! I'm fairly happy with the nose shape at least, but the eyes and mouth had been bothering me no matter how much I modified them, and the location of all the different things >"< I can't see what I'm doing wrong, but there's something *off* about it all. (Also feel free to tear apart the lighting, colouring, and anything else you see is wrong, but mainly tell me what to do to draw realistic faces please!!!)
***THANK YOU!***
I'm home again after a short trip to Copenhagen, I missed the minnion meetup by one day, aww! But I have some tips to your drawing, I hope they are helpful!
First, ref lines for drawing faces are good, and it looks to me like you've looked them up before you drew Emil! I've drawn in the ref lines for a face seen directly from the front, and they match his face almost exactly:
(http://i.imgur.com/aQaV71d.png)
Now, the nose is not seen from the front, and so that explains some of the off-feeling of the rest of his face, I think. Looking in a mirror (I suspect you've done that, his mouth look slightly familiar!) take note of how your eyes and mouth change in relation to the nose when you move your head. If you move the structures on his right more towards the center, the different parts of his face comes together better. As noted, the eyes are usually also a bit more closed than in your drawing, with the irises partly covered by the eyelids.
I played around somewhat with liquefy to show what I mean. (You've done a very neat job of making him look in one direction and I messed that up a bit, when moving his face around :P)
I also moved his face and neck to the right, because the angle of neck and face is really hard to reproduce in real life.
(http://i.imgur.com/CBPadV1.jpg)
But overall I will stress: Really really nice drawing, it is obvious that a lot of work went into this, and also a lot of keen observation on the details! Well done!
Post by: Gwenno on February 28, 2016, 07:42:15 AM
This is more general advice than critique, but for learning how to construct/ model the face I would recommend studying Andrew Loomis' Drawing the Head and Heads (http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Drawing%20the%20Head%20and%20Hands.pdf) (not least because it's free). Also, references are life-saving here. You don't have to, say, go around copying photos exactly, but even if you just look at yourself in the mirror, seeing how a person's face works (that sounds weird) in a certain angle or expression will definitely help with getting shape and lighting right.Thank you very much for the link and advice ^_^ I've been having a bit of a lookthough the book today and it seems just perfect to study, and filled with precisely the information I'll need to improve :3 Hahah, I was actually making funny faces in the mirror for a large portion of drawing this to try and figure out facial muscles (and not quite managing) and I take your reference advice very much to heart! What I really want in the long run is to understand everything I can't see in a face which makes it act the way it does, and I guess drawing from references to start is the best way to get there.
I'll try to get some actual critique about the piece up later when I have a little more time. :)
For the eyes I think they're a little too open, so combined with a toothy smile he looks a little crazy ;P I'd try to lower the upper lids a little so that it doesn't look as if his eyes are wide open.Thanks ^_^ Yeah this seems to be the general consensus amongst the advice givers and it is duly noted!
I'll repost this here:Thanks so much ^_^ Yeah, I see what you mean with the eyes and scrunching up when you smile, and it's pretty obvious once pointed out >"< although the iris touching both eyelids was something I hadn't really thought about before and probably should have :P
Having experience drawing realistic people, I'd say the eyes don't look very sunken in to me, but that there's too much space between the eyes and the eyebrows, so that makes the eyes look a little deeper than they are.
I don't think the eyes are super wide, it's just that they tend not to be perfectly almond-shaped/symmetrical. The bottom eyelid can't widen (I mean, mine can't, so as far as I know) so they're always relaxed. When you smile, the eyelid squinches up, so I think it looks a little weird just because the eyes don't match the mouth. This isn't my best eye, but it might look something like this (http://i.imgur.com/tLUp887.png). Generally when relaxed, the iris will touch both eyelids. Hope I could help!
I'm home again after a short trip to Copenhagen, I missed the minnion meetup by one day, aww! But I have some tips to your drawing, I hope they are helpful!Oh wow, you've really gone all out here thank you!
First, ref lines for drawing faces are good, and it looks to me like you've looked them up before you drew Emil! I've drawn in the ref lines for a face seen directly from the front, and they match his face almost exactly:
(http://i.imgur.com/aQaV71d.png)
Now, the nose is not seen from the front, and so that explains some of the off-feeling of the rest of his face, I think. Looking in a mirror (I suspect you've done that, his mouth look slightly familiar!) take note of how your eyes and mouth change in relation to the nose when you move your head. If you move the structures on his right more towards the center, the different parts of his face comes together better. As noted, the eyes are usually also a bit more closed than in your drawing, with the irises partly covered by the eyelids.
I played around somewhat with liquefy to show what I mean. (You've done a very neat job of making him look in one direction and I messed that up a bit, when moving his face around :P)
I also moved his face and neck to the right, because the angle of neck and face is really hard to reproduce in real life.
(http://i.imgur.com/CBPadV1.jpg)
But overall I will stress: Really really nice drawing, it is obvious that a lot of work went into this, and also a lot of keen observation on the details! Well done!
The tips are indeed very helpful (Hahah, it is kinda embarrassing that you can recognise my mouth in this >"< I tried to make it look more Emil-esque, but honestly the best way I could figure out how the mouth would move was by watching my own aaaaaaand apparently it shows :P) The second drawing especially, where you've corrected and annotated the mistakes is great, and honestly it makes me really happy to see the picture more as I wanted it to look ^_^
Sadly I don't think FireAlpaca has an equivalent to liquefy so whenever I change something it means painting everything over :-[ (Unless someone knows of a way to do it in which case I am all ears! The transform tool is the closest I could find, but it's nowhere near as good) I'm not going to re-do this one, or at least not for a little while. It was pretty time and energy consuming, and I'm pretty tired of it, but I'll take all the advice into consideration when doing the next picture, and it will hopefully be a bit better ;D
Post by: Jureeya on March 03, 2016, 04:46:06 PM
Is this an okay place to ask for critique? I just started drawing after a 7-year break.
This sketch is missing some detail (such as lacing on the boots) and doesn't have any highlight or shading (other than those highlights on the armrests that are there to remind me what I'm planning to do) since I'll just do those once I start colouring. I don't normally post in-progress stuff, but since it'll take a few days before I'll have built a tracing desk, I figured I'd ask for advice now that I can still change things easily.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e271/Vio-kun/piirros%20001_zpsljgelvnh.jpg)
*Reynir voice* I'm great at giving critiques
Overall your anatomy is pretty solid, especially the torso and legs, but I noticed that her head is a bit cut-off (her forehead and crown should be higher) and her arms are a little short for a woman (women generally have longer and thinner arms than men). Besides that, good job on drawing the crossed arms and legs. You're probably doing that better than I could lol.
As for the chair, you might want to make the curls on the arm rests a little larger so that the picture is overall more balanced. You've got this big grand back cushion and these teeny weeny little arm rests and it throws the whole thing off a little bit.
Hope that helped!
Post by: Nietos on March 04, 2016, 01:57:12 PM
*Reynir voice* I'm great at giving critiquesomg I'd have never even noticed the chair thing - I fixed it and now the picture looks so much better
Overall your anatomy is pretty solid, especially the torso and legs, but I noticed that her head is a bit cut-off (her forehead and crown should be higher) and her arms are a little short for a woman (women generally have longer and thinner arms than men). Besides that, good job on drawing the crossed arms and legs. You're probably doing that better than I could lol.
As for the chair, you might want to make the curls on the arm rests a little larger so that the picture is overall more balanced. You've got this big grand back cushion and these teeny weeny little arm rests and it throws the whole thing off a little bit.
Hope that helped!
Thanks for the feedback! (Also thanks to whoever moved this to the appropriate topic - I'd somehow managed to forget a separate critique thread existed.) I decided to leave her arms short (maybe the character is trans *shrugs*), but fixed her head. Again, it looks much better now, so thank you!
Post by: Jureeya on March 04, 2016, 02:00:26 PM
omg I'd have never even noticed the chair thing - I fixed it and now the picture looks so much better
Thanks for the feedback! (Also thanks to whoever moved this to the appropriate topic - I'd somehow managed to forget a separate critique thread existed.) I decided to leave her arms short (maybe the character is trans *shrugs*), but fixed her head. Again, it looks much better now, so thank you!
(http://www.infostormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/obama2.jpg)
Post by: Curry on March 04, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
(Also thanks to whoever moved this to the appropriate topic - I'd somehow managed to forget a separate critique thread existed.)
*finger guns at you* 8)
Post by: Jureeya on March 27, 2016, 02:21:27 AM
Basically the idea is that if you're an artist who'd like to hone their skills but don't have the time or funds to attend formal art classes, being a part of a group of peers who are all trying to improve at the same time can keep you on task and support you as you try to push yourself beyond what you're comfortable with. For a certain amount of days, there would be a daily drawing topic/practice goal and everyone would draw the same thing, and then at the end of the day everyone would share what they'd drawn with the group for critique and advice. Practice goals would be based on suggestions from the group's members, so they everyone gets to work on an area they think they need improvement on.
For example, if the suggested topic for one day was landscapes, everyone would individually sketch/paint/draw one or more landscapes and then the group would offer their comments and critique on each member's picture. Then the next day could be hands, clouds, etc. Those of us who are good at the drawing topic one day might suck at the next, and vice versa. That way we all practice and improve together, and it would be much easier to stay motivated than when you're drawing by yourself!
Right now I'm thinking a
Would anyone be interested in this?
Topics list
1. Shading
2. Texture
3. Hands
4. Feet
5. Elbows and knees
6. Expressions
7. Hair
8. Back anatomy/drawing people from behind
9. The head at an angle
10. Full body anatomy
11. Male anatomy
12. Child faces and anatomy
13. Poses
14. Movement
15. Groups, crowds and/or pairings
16. Cloth and clothing folds
17. Animals
18. Dragons
19. Lineart with varying line weight
20. No lineart
21. Water
22. Metal
23. Grass
24. Machinery and vehicles
25. Mountains and/or bodies of water
26. Buildings and perspective
27. Clouds
28. Weather
29. Lighting/sunlight
30. Detailed backgrounds/ landscapes
UPDATE:
Based on when most people are available, this will begin on Saturday, July 2
UPDATE 2:
Hi everyone! We’re starting in about a week so here’s an update:
We’ll be using Discord as a platform, and the chatroom can be found here (https://discord.gg/qjC38ts). In case you’re unfamiliar with it, Discord is a browser-based chat that doesn’t require any downloads and shouldn’t bring up any privacy issues like Skype potentially might. So that’s good. Here’s some other stuff:
RE: Channels and where to upload:
Each artist will get their own channel where they will post their pieces so that it doesn’t get buried in a general one. These are basically small individual gallery threads. Please comment on pieces in those channels! This way we can keep all the art, comments and critiques for one artist in the same place. When you do post there, feel free to leave an “I posted!” note in the general thread. The general thread can also be used for questions about the challenge, or asking other artists for tips that aren’t specific to any one piece.
Spoiler: regarding locked channels and mature art • show
Guidelines:
1. Be nice to your own art! You worked hard on it and it might not look awesome, but that’s normal in challenges like this where you’re trying to draw something you haven’t before! We’re all gonna suck, and we’re gonna suck together.
2. Be clear whether or not you want to receive critique on your art (use a pinned message) and respect whether or not other artists want to receive critique.
3. Use mature boards appropriately. Please keep in mind that none of the topics requires any artwork above a PG rating. No sexual content, please.
❤ Happy drawing ❤
P.S. I'd really appreciate it if people who want to participate could pop on over to Discord before Saturday so that we can get channels and permissions all set up and running smoothly before then.
P.P.S. ^ ^ if you need to delay or skip days that's totally fine.
Post by: Kiraly on March 27, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Post by: viola on March 27, 2016, 11:09:05 AM
Post by: Keeper on March 27, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Post by: Unlos on March 27, 2016, 12:24:45 PM
Post by: Helia on March 27, 2016, 01:32:12 PM
Post by: Johannabelle on March 27, 2016, 01:39:49 PM
Post by: Auxivele on March 27, 2016, 02:36:13 PM
Post by: Jureeya on March 27, 2016, 02:37:19 PM
So I'm not super well versed in group messaging or any of that, but I was thinking of maybe doing this over some kind of Skype chat? That way people can protect their privacy if they need to, you can access it easily on mobile, and it can handle fairly large image file sizes. If anyone has a better idea they know of though, please tell me.
In terms of dates...mmmmmaybe starting in mid-May? I'd like to keep it outside of final exam weeks for those of us who are students but soon enough that people don't lose interest. Would it be helpful if I set up a vote on the starting date?
I think ground rules can wait until we get closer but does anyone have topics they'd like to see on the list? And don't worry about suggesting too many. If we end up with more topics than we have days we can combine small and similar ones.
(ALSO if someone suggests a topic you like, let them know! Practice is so much better when you know someone shares your interest than when you're left thinking "oh god i'm the only person here who wants to draw this thing and no one else is going to enjoy this day because of me")
Post by: Jureeya on March 27, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
1. Hands
2. Bodies of water (like ponds/lakes/ etc in landscapes??? I'm awful at those)
3. Faces at an angle
4. Animals (EDIT: Depending on how much time we have we could probably do several days for different kinds of animals but I'll leave you guys to decide which kinds you're interested in. Just know i'm down to practice anything under that umbrella)
Post by: Auxivele on March 27, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
In terms of dates...mmmmmaybe starting in mid-May? I'd like to keep it outside of final exam weeks for those of us who are students but soon enough that people don't lose interest.At least for me, AP exams are the first two weeks of May and finals start mid-June, so if that's where you're starting there's prolly gonna be some overlap with testing, but it's not that much and I'm not sure if I'm the only one affected so it might not be that big of a deal...? (Who needs to study anyway, studying is for nerds (Though I am a nerd...))
Post by: Jureeya on March 27, 2016, 02:57:50 PM
At least for me, AP exams are the first two weeks of May and finals start mid-June, so if that's where you're starting there's prolly gonna be some overlap with testing, but it's not that much and I'm not sure if I'm the only one affected so it might not be that big of a deal...? (Who needs to study anyway, studying is for nerds (Though I am a nerd...))
Oh mann I completely forgot how late high schools go.
I set up a poll guys, go vote! And please vote for as many dates as you'd participate in so that we can figure out which would have the most members available overall. Thanks!
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on March 27, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
Post by: Daiseerose on March 27, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Post by: Jureeya on March 27, 2016, 07:26:55 PM
Is it OK that I also join?absolutely!
Post by: Athena on March 27, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Oh yay so many people already! Awesome!
So I'm not super well versed in group messaging or any of that, but I was thinking of maybe doing this over some kind of Skype chat? That way people can protect their privacy if they need to, you can access it easily on mobile, and it can handle fairly large image file sizes. If anyone has a better idea they know of though, please tell me.
In terms of dates...mmmmmaybe starting in mid-May? I'd like to keep it outside of final exam weeks for those of us who are students but soon enough that people don't lose interest. Would it be helpful if I set up a vote on the starting date?
I think ground rules can wait until we get closer but does anyone have topics they'd like to see on the list? And don't worry about suggesting too many. If we end up with more topics than we have days we can combine small and similar ones.
(ALSO if someone suggests a topic you like, let them know! Practice is so much better when you know someone shares your interest than when you're left thinking "oh god i'm the only person here who wants to draw this thing and no one else is going to enjoy this day because of me")
I'm not quite sure my summer schedule yet, but I would love to join this! The problem is that Skype is really broken for me, and I can't log in. In my experience it isn't really that good for sharing art. I can totally recommend Discord (https://discordapp.com), a free text and voice service much like Skype but is also has good support for image sharing, imho much better than Skype. Also you don't even need to have an account, just set a username and join the chat through a link which could be posted here. It can be used online also, no download required.
Post by: Curry on March 27, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
aNYWAYS im down for skype (preferably) but im also down for anything else !
Post by: Helia on March 28, 2016, 04:47:36 AM
Post by: Aierdome on March 28, 2016, 06:22:07 AM
While I've got no problem with Skype, and probably nothing against anything else, I agree with what Helia said about chat problems - if we have, for example, part of the group from America, part from Japan and part from Europe, just scheduling joint meetings would be a mess. If I may, why not create a thread here on forums? This way anyone could pop in whenever they could.
Post by: Keeper on March 28, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Post by: Kiraly on March 28, 2016, 10:07:31 AM
Also, as far as topics/subjects:
HANDS HANDS HANDS
Also feet
Anatomy/proportion in general (Nothing NSFW, but it's been way too long since I really practiced realistic humans)
Male anatomy/proportion in specific (they tend to look too feminine when I draw them)
I almost hate to suggest this one, but buildings and perspective. My MOST HATED part of drawing, so many straight lines!
Water
Metal?
Clouds
Post by: Gwenno on March 28, 2016, 10:44:14 AM
Post by: tamaerchen on March 28, 2016, 12:49:22 PM
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on March 28, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
I am on skype (or whatsapp or facebook messanger), other sites or something I simply would forget about, these notify me at least
I would need help/practice for full-body anatomy + poses, and (detailed) BGs
Post by: Asterales on March 29, 2016, 01:44:29 PM
I mean... Sometimes I doodle and it turns out great, but basically I can't draw and whenever I get something right it is down to luck? ??? It's not like I can say "Oh! Today I will draw a sitting person!" and it's actually going to turn out to be a sitting person. It's more likely to turn into a mountain range or a fantasy creature or something different altogether. It'll look okay... but it usually won't be what I was aiming for :-\ It gets worse the more I think about the thing I want to draw... so I doodle?
Would it still be okay if I joined?
Naturally, since I can't draw anything, I'd be happy about practicing everything.
Hmm, maybe folds and different textures in clothing, curtains, blankets, etc.?
Grass?
If we do animals, could we try dragons too? Since Minna likes them? (Pssshh! Training for the next birthday present) ::)
Eeeeh, to be honest it sounds as if I'm in the completely wrong thread - but I want to try iiiit! :'(
Post by: Kiraly on March 29, 2016, 02:10:12 PM
I would really like to join, too. Only, it sounds like something you need to already have some skills for and I... don't?
I mean... Sometimes I doodle and it turns out great, but basically I can't draw and whenever I get something right it is down to luck? ??? It's not like I can say "Oh! Today I will draw a sitting person!" and it's actually going to turn out to be a sitting person. It's more likely to turn into a mountain range or a fantasy creature or something different altogether. It'll look okay... but it usually won't be what I was aiming for :-\ It gets worse the more I think about the thing I want to draw... so I doodle?
Would it still be okay if I joined?
Naturally, since I can't draw anything, I'd be happy about practicing everything.
Hmm, maybe folds and different textures in clothing, curtains, blankets, etc.?
Grass?
If we do animals, could we try dragons too? Since Minna likes them? (Pssshh! Training for the next birthday present) ::)
Eeeeh, to be honest it sounds as if I'm in the completely wrong thread - but I want to try iiiit! :'(
I think you're in the right place! There's no requirement for skill, the whole point is to get better (no matter where you start). I think your suggestion of fabrics is a good one, I could use some practice with that myself.
Post by: Curry on March 29, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
and going off of that, different textures in general? maybe it might need to be a 2-day thing (day one just focuses on light and value and then day two focuses on how color plays into that too) but that would be actually so useful............
Post by: Asterales on March 29, 2016, 02:50:07 PM
I think you're in the right place! There's no requirement for skill, the whole point is to get better (no matter where you start). I think your suggestion of fabrics is a good one, I could use some practice with that myself.Oh, I'm glad to hear that!
[…] and then day two focuses on how color plays into that too[…]O_O Color? *swallows* *starts laughing hysterically* I don't even have any color pencils! Meep!
... I'll need to buy some, huh?...
It sure does sound helpful.
Just faaaaaaar beyond my abilities. Haha...ha. I'll have so much fun. (I honestly think I will!) :)
Post by: Yuuago on March 29, 2016, 03:20:53 PM
Though I also prefer to have it in a thread due to time zones (and in my case, tech limitations.)
Post by: Unlos on March 29, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
I would prefer it to be in this thread, but mostly because of practicality, setting up a time to suit everyone seems tricky, besides the fact that I freeze up when I have to write anything real-time. I have dropped by the sssschat sometimes with the intention of hanging out but end up staring petrified at the keyboard wondering what to write)
Post by: tamaerchen on March 29, 2016, 05:27:34 PM
I'm also really new to digital drawing and I'd like to do some stuff on shading and yes, textures (and patterns) are a great idea as well. And maybe someone who uses Krita can help me a bit with how to use textures especially... :)
Post by: Asterales on March 30, 2016, 11:45:41 AM
*pointedly looks in Curry's direction*
Post by: Curry on March 30, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
That's another question, actually, how are we going to learn it? Will everybody be contributing resources and advice and then working as equals or will there be certain people who take teacher roles? I'd be fine with either but choosing teachers could be difficult.
Post by: Asterales on March 30, 2016, 01:15:17 PM
I suppose it could work if someone wants to do a tutorial on something they are good in and posts it prior to the practice, but that sounds like a lot of pressure and annoyance for the 'teacher'. I mean, of course it would be awesome, but...
(I'd also feel like a total leech, seeing as I'm unable to teach anything :()
And we are all going to try and critique each other's work anyway, won't we? I think everything will fall into place naturally, once we have sorted out the what and when and how. Having critique form several people is probably the best thing about this. There are so many ways to handle a problem and the solutions depend on the medium just as much as on the style and artist... Then again it's basics.
... Oh, I don't know!
Post by: Jureeya on March 30, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
s....small finger guns.......... hair is my jam and i'd always be willing to help out if anybody's got questions now!
That's another question, actually, how are we going to learn it? Will everybody be contributing resources and advice and then working as equals or will there be certain people who take teacher roles? I'd be fine with either but choosing teachers could be difficult.
Just because everyone learns in different ways I was going to suggest that each person does a bit of research and finds a walkthrough/channel/tutorial/etc that works for them, and then if they want specific advice to ask when they put their drawings up for critique. That way the artist will know exactly what they struggled with and will be able to ask productive questions instead of just "I have no idea how to do this at all, ayúdame con todo." This isn't meant to be a "class," so much as a framework that encourages people to keep up with their own practice. I already have a list of a number art teachers on YouTube that I've used (Proko is bae) that I'm going to put up closer to when we get started, along with some ground rules.
I also think it would be super helpful if people credited the video or tutorial they learned from (if they used one) when sharing each piece so that everyone can share resources.
If people want to have one of the artists here open up a stream and give a short tutorial that wouldn't be too hard to arrange either, provided you're willing to work with time-zone difficulties.
Also re: platforms, I wouldn't mind having it in a thread but I do think that having the ability to chat and IM is much better for something like this. It's just easier to have a conversation about a piece when you're communicating in short messages every minute than in long posts every hour, and with almost 20 people posting, commenting and quoting each other at the same time a thread is going to get really messy.
Given that there are a solid amount of people into this (!!) would anyone be willing to do a short (~10 day) trial version of this so that we could figure out which platform works best before trying to wrangle 20 people into a chat that may or may not work? We'd still be doing the art, but it would be more focused on the organizational aspect of everything. It shouldn't be a big group, ideally like five people, with topics that that are already on the main list so that no one misses out on anything. Anyone down?
Post by: tamaerchen on March 30, 2016, 01:23:58 PM
Post by: Rabbit on March 30, 2016, 01:45:42 PM
I'd love to join... my summer schedule is still wide open though.
About the format, how about we have a thread here to keep the prompts, artworks and tutorial etc. links in order and easy to find afterwards, as well as a chat for more immediate feedback, chatting and general commiserating? (I don't know about you, but if twenty people in a forum thread commenting back and forth would be messy, the same twenty people in a skype group would be chaos and I don't think my little introvert self would even dare to approach that.)
Post by: Jureeya on March 30, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
*peeks in shyly*
I'd love to join... my summer schedule is still wide open though.
About the format, how about we have a thread here to keep the prompts, artworks and tutorial etc. links in order and easy to find afterwards, as well as a chat for more immediate feedback, chatting and general commiserating? (I don't know about you, but if twenty people in a forum thread commenting back and forth would be messy, the same twenty people in a skype group would be chaos and I don't think my little introvert self would even dare to approach that.)
Doooooo you wanna join the trial group also, or just the main one?
That's fair. Prompts and tutorials are already definitely going to be here, and I think that the location of the artwork is going to be the only issue with that. My one big worry about having the art and comments in different places would be that people would get too confused about who was commenting on what, but I don't think we're going to avoid that no matter what we do. It would definitely be nice to be able to view it as a "gallery" instead of having it get buried in chat.
I think something that might bother people is having their potentially not-awesome practice art up on the forum where people who aren't part of the group can see. One benefit of a closed group is that you can only see other artists' bad art if you're willing to show them yours, and that makes it much easier to break the ice and open yourself up for good constructive criticism. Does anyone feel particularly strongly about this?
And chat shouldn't be too chaotic, since only a few people would be there at a given moment. I've done a couple large groups like this before with fraternity stuff and it's never been terrible. I seriously doubt we're going to have everyone on at the same time, and most likely it'll never be more than six or seven people online at a time with an even smaller number actively talking.
Post by: Kiraly on March 30, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Also re: platforms, I wouldn't mind having it in a thread but I do think that having the ability to chat and IM is much better for something like this. It's just easier to have a conversation about a piece when you're communicating in short messages every minute than in long posts every hour, and with almost 20 people posting, commenting and quoting each other at the same time a thread is going to get really messy.
Given that there are a solid amount of people into this (!!) would anyone be willing to do a short (~10 day) trial version of this so that we could figure out which platform works best before trying to wrangle 20 people into a chat that may or may not work? We'd still be doing the art, but it would be more focused on the organizational aspect of everything. It shouldn't be a big group, ideally like five people, with topics that that are already on the main list so that no one misses out on anything. Anyone down?
I think it's not a bad idea to do both, like Rabbit suggested. A thread would allow people in wildly different time zones (or who just aren't free at the same time) to see each others' work, and those who are free to chat at the same time could critique that way (which would also help keep the thread from getting too terribly cluttered).
I wouldn't mind helping to test it out, but it depends on how soon you want to try it. I'm going on vacation starting tomorrow so that's not exactly an ideal time to be trying to coordinate things (since I'll also be three hours earlier than my usual time zone). But I'll be back home on April 11th, so if you don't get a test group together before then I'd be up for it.
Post by: Curry on March 30, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
Post by: Athena on March 30, 2016, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: Aierdome on March 30, 2016, 03:33:36 PM
And chat shouldn't be too chaotic, since only a few people would be there at a given moment. I've done a couple large groups like this before with fraternity stuff and it's never been terrible. I seriously doubt we're going to have everyone on at the same time, and most likely it'll never be more than six or seven people online at a time with an even smaller number actively talking.
Now that you put it this way, chat seems far more reasonable than it did to me the first time I've heard of the idea (I was reminded how this worked for me one time I've been having a conference with a few people over the chat. Not well). So just as a question, do we intend to use Skype, or are we looking into some other options?
Re: putting our works in public, I admit I'm not very concerned about that. We're not the kind of community to point fingers and laugh at others' less-than-quality arts; quite the opposite, really, post tend to be encouraging. As for test run, though, I'm afraid I'll have to decline, as I'm in too much of a mess, organization-wise, to attempt this right now.
Post by: Helia on March 30, 2016, 04:43:32 PM
Please consider that not everybody likes to chat/chat while they're concentrating on their drawing. And if you're doing traditional art, it's a bit complicated to post pictures of your work in progress every now and then.
Post by: Rabbit on March 30, 2016, 04:47:27 PM
My problem with group chats is that I get easily overwhelmed by fast-paced conversation, especially if there is more than one topic going on at once, so having a forum thread as a sort of base where you could catch up on everyone's work at your own pace would be a "safer" setting if that makes sense, and then everyone could venture into the chat as much as their schedule and social energy reserves allow.
As for chat platform, the main alternatives I can see would be Skype and IRC - feel free to educate me on any other chat programs that the Hip Young Folks are using these days. The main upside of IRC would be the lack of special accounts or programs needed, as long as someone makes a channel all that everyone else needs is a browser window. Conversely, the main advantage of Skype I can see is that it keeps conversation logs when a user is offline, so it's less instant than IRC and catching up on conversations later is possible. (That being said, personally I think catching up on group conversations on skype is a bleeding PITA especially if you happen to live on a timezone that leaves you with hundreds of unread messages every morning.) So, again, I'd vote for having a base thread with all the artwork and relevant links. I agree with Aierdome that this is not the kind of community to point and laugh at developing artists, but if that is a threshold issue for anyone, me and my opinion will stand aside.
Post by: Jureeya on March 30, 2016, 05:26:30 PM
Also I think we should keep posts to final drawings only and avoid having a ton of WIPs flying about, just because that would get super crowded and it's reeeally not necessary for this kind of thing. This doesn't have to involve huge pieces of art, just subject sketches and drawings so that you can study one topic at a time. They shouldn't take more than one or two hours per day. Plus, when you have a bunch of different artists all telling you how to change your drawing at the same time you end up getting more of a walkthrough of their styles than time to practice what works for you individually, and that's the most important part.
So currently for testers it's Tamaerchen, Curry, and Kiraly and hopefully one or two more and it'll probably happen at the end of April or beginning of May because of research papers and finals and all that jazz on my end. @Luth, can you not even use the chat feature? If you want to pm me with a link to whatever program works for you that would be super helpful, we might end up using it.
Post by: Daiseerose on March 30, 2016, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Jureeya on March 30, 2016, 06:01:36 PM
Would it be an issue for traditional artists? Because if it is I'll drop out! I wouldn't mind!
Definitely not! As long as you have some way to post an image then you're completely welcome
Edit: It doesn't have to be a good image. You could post from a 72 px nokia flip phone camera if that's what you have. The main purpose of posting a picture is to hold yourself accountable for practicing that day.
Post by: Asterales on March 31, 2016, 03:39:49 AM
[…] The main purpose of posting a picture is to hold yourself accountable for practicing that day.... You just had to go ahead and say it. This makes my hackles rise like you wouldn't believe it >.< I will just erase this comment from my memory. D: I'm already starting to get stressed out over this. It's basically like writing an exam every day :'( (extreme exam anxiety here.) For the love of all critter chasers... I don't know if I can do it. I need a calming tea now.
So currently for testers it's Tamaerchen, Curry, and Kiraly and hopefully one or two more and it'll probably happen at the end of April or beginning of May because of research papers and finals and all that jazz on my end. @Luth, can you not even use the chat feature? If you want to pm me with a link to whatever program works for you that would be super helpful, we might end up using it.If this is when you want to do it, I might be able to help out as well. I'll try to make it work.
Edit: I agree with both Airedome and Rabbit and as Helia says, I think having the Gallery Thread in the Personal section would be best.
Post by: Kiraly on March 31, 2016, 07:39:43 AM
Post by: Asterales on March 31, 2016, 08:51:08 AM
Post by: Jureeya on March 31, 2016, 02:32:29 PM
Post by: Asterales on March 31, 2016, 02:39:49 PM
I'm sorry?? I really didn't mean to upset you or anything. If this is something that's going to make you super anxious it's totally okay if you don't want to do it thoughOh, no! Don't be sorry! I know that it is completely irrational and I really, really want to do this :)
How should you have known that I am such a sensitive plant when it comes to... things that could be perceived as tests when you squint at them? ::)
Post by: Aierdome on March 31, 2016, 03:07:13 PM
Oh, no! Don't be sorry! I know that it is completely irrational and I really, really want to do this :)
How should you have known that I am such a sensitive plant when it comes to... things that could be perceived as tests when you squint at them? ::)
I can understand that... been there, done that. Try to think of it this way: It'll certainly not ruin your reputation on this forum or anything of the kind, and I'm pretty certain you won't be by far the least experienced or slowest-learning artist in our group. I won't be surprised if many of us (including yours truly) will be stressed out about other's opinions on our works even while giving tips and critique on yours. If convincing yourself that it's irrational doesn't work, remember: we're all in this together! ;)
Post by: Asterales on April 01, 2016, 12:03:40 PM
I can understand that... been there, done that. Try to think of it this way: It'll certainly not ruin your reputation on this forum or anything of the kind, and I'm pretty certain you won't be by far the least experienced or slowest-learning artist in our group. I won't be surprised if many of us (including yours truly) will be stressed out about other's opinions on our works even while giving tips and critique on yours. If convincing yourself that it's irrational doesn't work, remember: we're all in this together! ;)Thank you Aierdome, I appreciate your words!
Post by: Jureeya on April 06, 2016, 04:15:53 AM
Anyway, they're each 20+ images long but here are the links for Emil (3/4 view) and Reynir (front). I'll probably do one for color and shading too
Emil (http://jureeya.tumblr.com/post/142340201713/cintrixgaming-i-hope-this-is-helpful-emil-is)
Reynir (http://jureeya.tumblr.com/post/142340118353/cont-time-to-kill-that-horrible-shoujo-face)
Post by: Unlos on April 06, 2016, 06:58:57 AM
I made a couple just now after someone requested them on tumblr, and it's SSSS related too! #swagNice, I'll try this out :)
Anyway, they're each 20+ images long but here are the links for Emil (3/4 view) and Reynir (front). I'll probably do one for color and shading toobecause it's not like i have finals or anything anytime soon
Emil (http://jureeya.tumblr.com/post/142340201713/cintrixgaming-i-hope-this-is-helpful-emil-is)
Reynir (http://jureeya.tumblr.com/post/142340118353/cont-time-to-kill-that-horrible-shoujo-face)
Post by: AquaAurion on April 10, 2016, 05:35:32 PM
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/a0c8/f/2016/101/7/1/lalli_nose_by_aquaaurion-d9yl370.png)
The right one is what I'd usually draw, but I wanted to make one that looks more like an actual nose and now I'm unsure if it fits with the rest of the face?
Post by: Unlos on April 10, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
I'm doing a piece right now and I'm really torn about the nose:It fits! It looks goood!
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/a0c8/f/2016/101/7/1/lalli_nose_by_aquaaurion-d9yl370.png)
The right one is what I'd usually draw, but I wanted to make one that looks more like an actual nose and now I'm unsure if it fits with the rest of the face?
Post by: AquaAurion on April 10, 2016, 05:43:07 PM
It fits! It looks goood!Thank you! I'll keep that one then :)
Post by: Unlos on April 17, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pNj3838.png)
Post by: Jureeya on April 17, 2016, 03:56:13 PM
I tend to always misplace the eyes, even after using a ruler and flipping the image over and over. And now I've become blind to this one, feeling that they are floating up and down as I look at the picture. Are they aligned? I'd like to have them straight before I throw a lot of effort into the shading...
(http://i.imgur.com/pNj3838.png)
the eyes are aligned but your jaw and hair length aren't, so that's what's probably been throwing you off
Spoiler: Ex. resketch • show
Also i did move the eye a teeny bit, i left the white area so you know by how much
EDIT: also to clarify that's just an example i know i always draw emil's face p thin
Post by: Unlos on April 17, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
the eyes are aligned but your jaw and hair length aren't, so that's what's probably been throwing you offThank you! I hadn't thought to see if the hair was aligned at all. As for the jawline, I had the feeling it was sagging a bit, and that version looks much better.Spoiler: Ex. resketch • show
Also i did move the eye a teeny bit, i left the white area so you know by how much
EDIT: also to clarify that's just an example i know i always draw emil's face p thin
Post by: Guardian G.I. on April 26, 2016, 04:11:58 PM
Spoiler: show
What needs fixing the most, before I start making a detailed lineart? I'm especially unsure about his left arm.
Post by: AquaAurion on April 26, 2016, 04:25:09 PM
I'm trying out using silhouette drawing (aka cheating like a pro), and I have decided to finish this guy:I'd say you need to make the legs longer. Usually they're about the same length as the torso + head. (the body is about 8 heads tall, where the legs are about 4 heads)Spoiler: show
What needs fixing the most, before I start making a detailed lineart? I'm especially unsure about his left arm.
If you google, there's a lot of images showing how to think about proportions and here's an example:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bRwqWeXNf_I/TWrFTa72MLI/AAAAAAAABkU/GWWEwA8Y1Y4/s1600/bodypattern1.jpg)
Post by: Rabbit on April 26, 2016, 04:46:01 PM
I'm trying out using silhouette drawing (aka cheating like a pro), and I have decided to finish this guy:Spoiler: show
What needs fixing the most, before I start making a detailed lineart? I'm especially unsure about his left arm.
Seconding Aurion about the legs and hip area, they could definitely stand to be longer. I can't see anything particularly odd about the left arm itself, but it's possible his shoulders are a bit off-level?
Post by: Guardian G.I. on April 27, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
I'd say you need to make the legs longer. Usually they're about the same length as the torso + head. (the body is about 8 heads tall, where the legs are about 4 heads)
If you google, there's a lot of images showing how to think about proportions and here's an example:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bRwqWeXNf_I/TWrFTa72MLI/AAAAAAAABkU/GWWEwA8Y1Y4/s1600/bodypattern1.jpg)
Seconding Aurion about the legs and hip area, they could definitely stand to be longer. I can't see anything particularly odd about the left arm itself, but it's possible his shoulders are a bit off-level?
Thanks! I actually have this anatomy picture already.
Spoiler: Made the legs longer and tweaked a few things • show
How does this look like?
Post by: Sumeri on April 29, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
there's this 3D-doll that you can move pretty much freely, put limbs in different positions etc. There's a free version and a paid version that costs a little under 80$. The free one is plenty adequate, but the catch is that while you can save the doll you make, you can't open the saved file anymore, so you'll have to take pictures of the screen instead. This is pretty much ideal if you're having trouble drawing a certain position OR perspective(as I often have). Here's what I did with it last night:
(http://i.imgsafe.org/38e7d8a.png)
so here's the doll pic
and here's what i did based on that pic:
(http://i.imgsafe.org/2be48cb.png)
Post by: Sc0ut on April 29, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
Post by: AquaAurion on April 30, 2016, 07:25:44 AM
Thanks! I actually have this anatomy picture already.I think it looks better!Spoiler: Made the legs longer and tweaked a few things • show
How does this look like?
I'd still make the legs longer though. They look rather short, especially if you compare with the arms (the upper arm is longer than the thighs)
Post by: Piney on April 30, 2016, 12:53:36 PM
Thanks! I actually have this anatomy picture already.Spoiler: Made the legs longer and tweaked a few things • show
How does this look like?
I think it looks better!
I'd still make the legs longer though. They look rather short, especially if you compare with the arms (the upper arm is longer than the thighs)
I agree with Aqua; the general rule of thumb I've been taught is that the length of the legs are the same as the length of the body pelvis up. (only approximately in real life, but for art you can make these generalizations :P )
I think you just need to extend the thighs, something like this:
Spoiler: show
Post by: Haiz on May 04, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
(https://65.media.tumblr.com/d9c55fdcaf0facba8806670672edcb86/tumblr_o69097iXp31r6soqlo8_r1_540.jpg) (https://67.media.tumblr.com/b43a02fb8b75e5b7f73a63907c4d19ac/tumblr_o69097iXp31r6soqlo7_r1_540.jpg)
I think i'm onto something in the second one, but WHAT IS FORESHORTENING HOW DO. i'm just gonna leave this be for today and go to bed, but if anyone has some helpful tips or ideas that would be pretty dang neat! if you spot some other Anatomical Mistake please point out also. (apologies for crappy photos ahaha ha)
Post by: P__ on May 05, 2016, 08:35:19 AM
As far as hands go, USE REFERENCES (you know that already), USE YOUR HANDS, and if at all possible GET SOMEONE TO SHOW YOU THEIR HANDS. hands are complicated
Foreshortening is, too. but it's basically seeing stuff in 3D and showing it in 2D. like all that is drawing, except more. once again, references (especially live 3D references) are great for that (and closing one eye, or, a great technique I discovered is to hold something transparent like a plastic sheet in front of your 3D reference, so your brain instantly sees the stuff projected onto the flat surfece. That works really well for all the complicated volume stuff like foreshortening).
how you do it, besides looking at stuff, is to force yourself to imagine things seen at an angle (even stronger than you need, 'cause you'll probably do too little anyway. brains are weird). Your brain will tell you "no! that forearm should have a length, it can't almost disappear like that" Ignore that, it can. It gets hidden by itself and whatever things (even smaller like fingers) are supposed to be ahead of it.
Also, depending on how far the "camera" is, don't hesitate to strengthen the perspective and make whatever's close really bigger. BE DARING, basically.
Spoiler: MS paint • show
edit: I talked about forearms, but other things work the same, of course
edit2: and congrats on being paid to draw \o/
Post by: Haiz on May 05, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
edit: i see now i was really unspecific about what i actually needed help with last night haha. hands and foreshortening is scary but ill do it, but the main problem is that i cant get a pose that in happy with re: hands, and it may or may not be foreshortening. i need it to look somewhat natural and goes with the flow
Post by: Unlos on May 05, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
heeeeeeeeeey so I'm working on a commission (!) and it's supposed to be two characters slumped together in the aftermath of a battle, and they're sort of holding hands?? or some kind of Hand Contact, anyway. I'm in the Early Sketching Phase to get the pose down, and I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDS
I think i'm onto something in the second one, but WHAT IS FORESHORTENING HOW DO. i'm just gonna leave this be for today and go to bed, but if anyone has some helpful tips or ideas that would be pretty dang neat! if you spot some other Anatomical Mistake please point out also. (apologies for crappy photos ahaha ha)
I tried to draw some suggestions, but it is a pretty complicated angle (foreshortening yes), and they feel a bit clumpy. Taking a photo of my hands in that position turned out to be impossible, but I recommend getting someone to hold that pose (it's a right and left hand so should be possible to get someone in your household to do it, and take a couple of decent reference photos.
(http://i.imgur.com/a98ZsGL.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/4p7Aho3.png)
Post by: AquaAurion on May 05, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
heeeeeeeeeey so I'm working on a commission (!) and it's supposed to be two characters slumped together in the aftermath of a battle, and they're sort of holding hands?? or some kind of Hand Contact, anyway. I'm in the Early Sketching Phase to get the pose down, and I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDSI agree with Unlos and tried to take some reference photos for you!
(https://65.media.tumblr.com/d9c55fdcaf0facba8806670672edcb86/tumblr_o69097iXp31r6soqlo8_r1_540.jpg) (https://67.media.tumblr.com/b43a02fb8b75e5b7f73a63907c4d19ac/tumblr_o69097iXp31r6soqlo7_r1_540.jpg)
I think i'm onto something in the second one, but WHAT IS FORESHORTENING HOW DO. i'm just gonna leave this be for today and go to bed, but if anyone has some helpful tips or ideas that would be pretty dang neat! if you spot some other Anatomical Mistake please point out also. (apologies for crappy photos ahaha ha)
Spoiler: First a pose with my dolls • show
Spoiler: And then I tried to photograph my hands • show
Post by: P__ on May 05, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
so here's some more references for you (my hands, slightly different angles and poses, with bonus room in the background). Hope that helps
http://imgur.com/a/VV3Hh (yeah I'm not copypasting 15 pics here)
keep in mind that your 2 characters are sitting back to back, which most likely makes some difference as to what's comfortable and not, which a single person can't test by themself really)
Post by: Haiz on May 05, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
Post by: Jureeya on May 05, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
If you said that you'd be down to do the test run I'll be in your DMs within a couple days to talk about when a good time for that would be.
aaaaand I think that's all! sorry for resurrecting this thread, just tryna make sure everyone knows when it's happening. I'll update y'all with more details when we figure out what platform is best!
Post by: Aierdome on May 05, 2016, 02:14:18 PM
Sooo I meant to make this post at the beginning of May but finals ate my brain, sorry guys. Anyway, in case you haven't seen yet, the first post has been updates with dates and an almost-complete list of topics (I think we need like three more). We're gonna start Saturday July 2, seeing as that's the date that got the most responses in the poll.
If you said that you'd be down to do the test run I'll be in your DMs within a couple days to talk about when a good time for that would be.Hopefully this month??
aaaaand I think that's all! sorry for resurrecting this thread, just tryna make sure everyone knows when it's happening. I'll update y'all with more details when we figure out what platform is best!
I admit that I wouldn't check on the first post if you didn't write here, so I'm glad for the thread necro :) For other topic, how about groups of people (I know for one I have trouble keeping them in the same "scale" and on the same floor level...), and maybe machines, cars, that kind of stuff? Ships?
Post by: Athena on May 05, 2016, 02:15:44 PM
Sooo I meant to make this post at the beginning of May but finals ate my brain, sorry guys. Anyway, in case you haven't seen yet, the first post has been updates with dates and an almost-complete list of topics (I think we need like three more). We're gonna start Saturday July 2, seeing as that's the date that got the most responses in the poll.
If you said that you'd be down to do the test run I'll be in your DMs within a couple days to talk about when a good time for that would be.Hopefully this month??
aaaaand I think that's all! sorry for resurrecting this thread, just tryna make sure everyone knows when it's happening. I'll update y'all with more details when we figure out what platform is best!
Ahhhh, awesome! That's a good time frame for me, and the list of things are all things I need to learn! cool! ;D
Post by: Helia on May 05, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
I guess I just start when I have some time and post my drawings when the topic is due.
topic ideas:
children anatomy, child's head, faces of different ages, different body types, movements
Post by: Curry on May 05, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
Post by: Rabbit on May 05, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
Post by: Guardian G.I. on May 05, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
I'd seriously like to join, but I'll have to do a university job assignment (group leader at a summer camp aka "try and keep ~20 mischievous kids from killing each other"), and it'll take place in the very remote countryside with no Internet and no mobile phone coverage. I'll be off the grid from late June till the 20th of July or something like that.
Will you accept very late newcomers?
Post by: Jureeya on May 05, 2016, 04:06:28 PM
I admit that I wouldn't check on the first post if you didn't write here, so I'm glad for the thread necro :) For other topic, how about groups of people (I know for one I have trouble keeping them in the same "scale" and on the same floor level...), and maybe machines, cars, that kind of stuff? Ships?
topic ideas:
children anatomy, child's head, faces of different ages, different body types, movements
on top of just groups of people, romantic or very close posing + drawing would be good. i get so many oc romance commissions but there is a reason i never CHOOSE to draw that ;w;
Added these to the list! I smushed groups and pairings together just so that people who aren't down to draw romance can have something else to do with themselves that day.
uh, somehow I haven't realized it will be a daily activity, because that's impossible for me (with a full time job you don't have more time in summer) :(
I guess I just start when I have some time and post my drawings when the topic is due.
I'll probably end up participating on maybe every fifth theme, that schedule looks... intense ^^" For some reason I got the idea that we'd be devoting at least two or three days to a theme.
Totally cool, you guys post whenever you have time.
How long will this group activity take place?
I'd seriously like to join, but I'll have to do a university job assignment (group leader at a summer camp aka "try and keep ~20 mischievous kids from killing each other"), and it'll take place in the very remote countryside with no Internet and no mobile phone coverage. I'll be off the grid from late June till the 20th of July or something like that.
Will you accept very late newcomers?
Absolutely fine my dude! you can either jump in on whatever day we're on when you get back, or if you want you could copy down the list and keep up on your own in the wilderness and then post it when you get back.
Also, does anyone have any strong opinions on how we should order the topics? Would it be better to have them in order according to topic (ex: everything related to drawing people happens in one group)? I'm kind of leaning towards doing that right now but I'd like to hear input if there is any.
Post by: Kiraly on May 05, 2016, 04:12:13 PM
Also, does anyone have any strong opinions on how we should order the topics? Would it be better to have them in order according to topic (ex: everything related to drawing people happens in one group)? I'm kind of leaning towards doing that right now but I'd like to hear input if there is any.
I think it might make sense to group them like that, especially if there are people who don't end up doing a drawing every day - it might be possible for them to practice a few of the things related to drawing people at once, that way. I don't really have strong opinions though, I'm pretty much up for anything.
Post by: Q on May 05, 2016, 10:51:09 PM
Post by: Shine on May 06, 2016, 01:22:23 AM
Or course I might change my mind before it starts but whatever.
Post by: P__ on May 06, 2016, 03:56:04 AM
Post by: Aierdome on May 06, 2016, 12:18:34 PM
Also, does anyone have any strong opinions on how we should order the topics? Would it be better to have them in order according to topic (ex: everything related to drawing people happens in one group)? I'm kind of leaning towards doing that right now but I'd like to hear input if there is any.
I like it sorted by topic, especially the way you did with human body (the biggest group, isn't it?), with going from detail to the whole and then group. Though to be nitpicky, I'd swap shading with texture and put clothing between them and hands. Overall, I like the schedule, though I'm not sure if I'll be able to participate every day, but if that's not a problem, I'm all in.
Post by: Haiz on May 08, 2016, 04:30:32 PM
(https://67.media.tumblr.com/6915d43dde4cbe9134e88041e989ae36/tumblr_o69097iXp31r6soqlo9_r1_540.jpg)
the photo references were very helpful and I did in the end get a composition I liked, even if I had to sacrifice showing the detail on the glove! alas some darlings must be killed sometimes
(pardon the doubleposting when I don't even need any help, I just thought it would be nice to show you since you went to all the effort of taking reference photos for my sake.......)
Post by: Lacunae Seff on May 09, 2016, 11:05:40 AM
Maybe a future challenge could be working a premise, like, landscapes, in different media. Charcoal, wood carving/burning, digital, ink, watercolor, pen, pencil, collage(?) Just an idea~
Post by: John Candlebury on May 12, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CZG5xRO.png)
Anyone got a decent idea of how to do the right-side goggle? Can't get that one right.
Post by: JoB on May 14, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
Anyone got a decent idea of how to do the right-side goggle? Can't get that one right.Well, the technical requirement is that the part between the two glasses of a goggle needs to accomodate the nose. So, the glasses would need to be closer to each other, and the part between either a rather triangular opening for the nose to fit in, or the glasses would need to be connected by a bridge far enough from the face surface that the nose'll fit underneath.
Post by: John Candlebury on May 16, 2016, 11:58:42 PM
So, the glasses would need to be closer to each other, and the part between either a rather triangular opening for the nose to fit in, or the glasses would need to be connected by a bridge far enough from the face surface that the nose'll fit underneath.
Hmm yeah, i've neglected the goggles only functionality. It might be that what makes them look strange, thanks for noticing.
Gonna try to see if it works
Post by: Jureeya on June 25, 2016, 01:17:27 AM
Hi everyone! We’re starting in about a week so here’s an update:
We’ll be using Discord as a platform, and the chatroom can be found here (https://discord.gg/qjC38ts). In case you’re unfamiliar with it, Discord is a browser-based chat that doesn’t require any downloads and shouldn’t bring up any privacy issues like Skype potentially might. So that’s good. Here’s some other stuff:
RE: Channels and where to upload:
Each artist will get their own channel where they will post their pieces so that it doesn’t get buried in a general one. These are basically small individual gallery threads. Please comment on pieces in those channels! This way we can keep all the art, comments and critiques for one artist in the same place. When you do post there, feel free to leave an “I posted!” note in the general thread. The general thread can also be used for questions about the challenge, or asking other artists for tips that aren’t specific to any one piece.
Spoiler: regarding locked channels and mature art • show
Guidelines:
1. Be nice to your own art! You worked hard on it and it might not look awesome, but that’s normal in challenges like this where you’re trying to draw something you haven’t before! We’re all gonna suck, and we’re gonna suck together.
2. Be clear whether or not you want to receive critique on your art (use a pinned message) and respect whether or not other artists want to receive critique.
3. Use mature boards appropriately. Please keep in mind that none of the topics requires any artwork above a PG rating. No sexual content, please.
❤ Happy drawing ❤
P.S. I'd really appreciate it if people who want to participate could pop on over to Discord before Saturday so that we can get channels and permissions all set up and running smoothly before then.
P.P.S. ^ ^ if you need to delay or skip days that's totally fine.
AAAAND here's the link again: https://discord.gg/qjC38ts
Post by: Jureeya on June 25, 2016, 01:24:21 AM
Also 2: If you're wondering about the format or anything for uploads, I'm going to keep my channel from the test run around as an example. Depending on whether they want to keep theirs up as well, Curry, Kiraly, and Tamaerchen are also worth a look.
Post by: Athena on June 25, 2016, 01:28:50 AM
Raising this thread from the dead again \o/
Hi everyone! We’re starting in about a week so here’s an update:
We’ll be using Discord as a platform, and the chatroom can be found here (https://discordapp.com/channels/180499693044760576/180538142720262145). In case you’re unfamiliar with it, Discord is a browser-based chat that doesn’t require any downloads and shouldn’t bring up any privacy issues like Skype potentially might. So that’s good. Here’s some other stuff:
The link to the chat doesn't work? It does link to Discord itself but doesn't work as an invite to the chatroom... Perhaps this will help? (https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/204155938-How-do-I-invite-friends-to-my-server-)
Post by: Jureeya on June 25, 2016, 01:32:38 AM
The link to the chat doesn't work? It does link to Discord itself but doesn't work as an invite to the chatroom... Perhaps this will help? (https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/204155938-How-do-I-invite-friends-to-my-server-)
Fixed!
(I think)
Post by: tamaerchen on June 25, 2016, 11:37:13 AM
Post by: frostykitty on June 26, 2016, 12:46:34 AM
Post by: Jureeya on June 26, 2016, 12:53:57 AM
uhh hey do you think you have room for one more? I was able to figure out how Discord, it seems.
there's always room for more! In fact here's a new link for everyone who still wants to join: https://discord.gg/EgzqZ
Post by: Johannabelle on June 26, 2016, 05:48:05 PM
Post by: Jureeya on June 26, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
So I popped in yesterday and looked around but I didn't claim my account then, so now there's two Johannabelles... The one I'm using now is the one that has my avatar. If you could get rid of the other one that I ghosted with, that would be appreciated. XD
Thanks for clearing that up, the other account is gone ^ ^
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on June 27, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
We’ll be using Discord as a platform, and the chatroom can be found here (https://discord.gg/EgzqZ). I
The link is not working anymore, it is expired or invalid. if the chatroom is still on,try to give a new link which never expires or something.
Post by: Jureeya on June 27, 2016, 02:42:31 PM
Post by: Auxivele on June 27, 2016, 06:10:42 PM
Post by: frostykitty on June 27, 2016, 10:01:42 PM
Post by: Shine on June 28, 2016, 01:30:10 AM
Post by: Jureeya on June 28, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Post by: Unlos on June 29, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
Post by: Jureeya on June 29, 2016, 02:26:26 AM
I am looking forward to this so much! Thank you for organizing it, Juureya :sparkle: ;D :sparkle:
❤❤❤❤❤
Post by: Auxivele on June 29, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Post by: Jureeya on July 01, 2016, 08:42:11 PM
Yeah, thank you so much, Juureya! :))
Aw you're so welcome!
Just a reminder that we start tomorrow for everyone on this side of the Atlantic, today for everyone else so if you're not on Discord yet and want to participate please follow this link >>> https://discord.gg/qjC38ts
Post by: Unlos on August 03, 2016, 04:05:46 PM
The WIP:
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/6c726cfd803197528941553a16d98f40/tumblr_o9ajmbIn6c1ud4cfso1_1280.png)
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/0404854d88d01b2bc00272bae2bb30b0/tumblr_obcmfq1bWB1ud4cfso1_1280.png)
Post by: AquaAurion on August 08, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/0404854d88d01b2bc00272bae2bb30b0/tumblr_obcmfq1bWB1ud4cfso1_1280.png) -> (http://img08.deviantart.net/862e/i/2016/221/9/8/unlos2_by_aquaaurion-dad87ln.png)
Post by: Unlos on August 08, 2016, 02:48:28 PM
I would try to make the eyes pop out a little more as well as define the nose and cheek more with shading + light. I tried to show what I mean with the right one:Thank you, I see what you mean. That shading and especially the shading on the cheek does make a difference! (Her ear is unfinished and her neck muscles slightly off, too. Funny what you notice when putting something away and then seeing it with new eyes)
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/0404854d88d01b2bc00272bae2bb30b0/tumblr_obcmfq1bWB1ud4cfso1_1280.png) -> (http://img08.deviantart.net/862e/i/2016/221/9/8/unlos2_by_aquaaurion-dad87ln.png)
Post by: Rhynerd on August 08, 2016, 11:32:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JFDH6AM.jpg)
Post by: P__ on August 09, 2016, 08:11:38 AM
Fanart of Antimony Carver from Gunnerkrigg Court, that I warmly recommend reading! I had thought this picture finished, but when compared to the WIP, I see that the middle of Annies face have gotten somewhat sunken in. Any tips on where to highlight/shade to bring it back out?I'd also move the nose a bit to the left: since it's a 3/4 profile, the right side of the face should be a bit more hidden.
The WIP:
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/6c726cfd803197528941553a16d98f40/tumblr_o9ajmbIn6c1ud4cfso1_1280.png)
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/0404854d88d01b2bc00272bae2bb30b0/tumblr_obcmfq1bWB1ud4cfso1_1280.png)
EDIT: or actually, move the right cheek (viewer's left) a bit to the right, rather than moving the nose (which seems well-positioned relative to the other side)
Rhynerd: can't help you much, sorry :)
Post by: Unlos on August 09, 2016, 03:39:13 PM
I'd also move the nose a bit to the left: since it's a 3/4 profile, the right side of the face should be a bit more hidden.
EDIT: or actually, move the right cheek (viewer's left) a bit to the right, rather than moving the nose (which seems well-positioned relative to the other side)
It's not a full 3/4, but aaaah you're right.
*looks up some more references of that angle*
*Tries to fix things according to advice*.
*Flips the picture horizontally, notices the whole eye placement mess*
Eye placement is my weakest point, I put so much more effort there than anywhere else, and also try to pay attention to every piece of advice and ref lines I have to get them where they belong, but still this happens when I construct faces instead of drawing from pictures. AAAA, that is unfixable for now, but thank you for the advice!
(http://i.imgur.com/WgJqMty.png)(http://i.imgur.com/NcAaFpL.png)
Rhynerd, lots of nice shading and attention to detail (and work!) on the sink. The only tip I can think of right now is that the shading near the left side of the sink makes the perspective look a bit inconsistent, as if the edge got narrower in front. The shining tap comes out especially well, I think.
Post by: AquaAurion on August 10, 2016, 11:50:20 AM
It's not a full 3/4, but aaaah you're right.I think the facial structur and the neck area looks better now :) Taking a break and looking at it with fresh eyes often helps you to see things you missed before ^_^
*looks up some more references of that angle*
*Tries to fix things according to advice*.
*Flips the picture horizontally, notices the whole eye placement mess*
Eye placement is my weakest point, I put so much more effort there than anywhere else, and also try to pay attention to every piece of advice and ref lines I have to get them where they belong, but still this happens when I construct faces instead of drawing from pictures. AAAA, that is unfixable for now, but thank you for the advice!
(http://i.imgur.com/WgJqMty.png)(http://i.imgur.com/NcAaFpL.png)
Rhynerd, lots of nice shading and attention to detail (and work!) on the sink. The only tip I can think of right now is that the shading near the left side of the sink makes the perspective look a bit inconsistent, as if the edge got narrower in front. The shining tap comes out especially well, I think.
Post by: Jureeya on August 11, 2016, 07:21:36 PM
http://jureeya.tumblr.com/post/148571222913/heyo-would-you-ever-do-a-tutorial-on-how-you
Post by: Guardian G.I. on October 18, 2016, 11:15:35 AM
Free reference picture packs for landscapes: trees, clouds, mountains. (https://gumroad.com/jacekpilarski)
Warning, these are very large files, and by large I mean "374 MB 9568x9731 .tif file" kind of large. The tree pack's archive is about 10 gigabytes, for example.
Post by: Guardian G.I. on November 01, 2016, 05:08:00 PM
Spoiler: early WIP, general idea is supposed to be Lalli imagined as a shaman from Shadowrun • show
How did I screw up anatomy this time?
Post by: Rhynerd on November 02, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
Post by: Rhynerd on November 07, 2016, 01:48:28 PM
Spoiler: show
Post by: John Candlebury on November 07, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Pardon my double-post, but sometime last week I finished this attempt at drawing a colored version of Morlin from Spiral Knights. I would happy to hear the two cents of the SSSS community on it.Spoiler: show
It looks rather dirty.
You should try to do hatching and coloring with uniform lines.
Post by: Unlos on November 20, 2016, 04:58:54 PM
Spoiler: explanatory rambles • show
Post by: PickleChip on December 02, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tAFEinA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xZ2IfOe.jpg)
Post by: Gwenno on December 02, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
So, I've been practicing with Galaxy and nebulas. It doesn't look right to me, though. Any critique?
(http://i.imgur.com/tAFEinA.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/xZ2IfOe.jpg)
Oooh, those are some pretty colours you have there :)
This tutorial may help you with that ^_^ I know I certainly found it very useful in understanding the shapes of the night sky
http://www.minnasundberg.fi/stars_tutorial.htm
From looking immediately I'd say your biggest problem is that the stars are all mostly the same size and brightness, as well as distributed fairly evenly. Have a good look up at the sky on a clear night and you'll notice that this is quite different from the speckled, clustered, random weirdness that is nature! The shapes of nebulas are also a little different in reality, as are the nature of their edges. It's a little difficult to describe, but there's a lot of different textures at work, in the same way as your regular earth clouds. Search google for pictures of Nebulas and you'll soon see what I mean. Here's a picture of the Carina nebula because why not :P
(http://www.constellation-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Carina-Nebula-visible-light.jpg)
Post by: Ana Nymus on December 02, 2016, 10:48:10 PM
PickleChip, there are a few things I can think of that would make your artwork look more nebulous. First, the colors are really pretty, but they're too bright and the edges are too clear, I think. Blending out the edges more so that they fade into the darkness of the background will make your nebulas more... well, nebulous! Think of them like clouds with blurry edges. Secondly, your stars are too uniform-looking. If you look at the night sky, the stars aren't all identical. They're different sizes and colors, and they're not sprinkled evenly across the sky. That's what make constellations stand out! It'll add some interest to your drawing when one section looks different from the other.
[Edit: looks like Gwenno beat me to the punch!]
Post by: Jureeya on December 10, 2016, 01:01:58 AM
This is just how I do thing but when I do space drawings like this one (http://68.media.tumblr.com/ac9058a483ce49e4ad26da5e260013c6/tumblr_of0ue4F42q1qi5y7ro1_1280.png)
I take a lot of time to blend out the colors and make sure that the colors are really transparent, so it looks like you're looking through gases in space instead of having the colors block your view. The more things are blended, the better they look, and you can go back over it a few times and add more color to areas you want to be more opaque instead of doing it all at once. For me it takes like two or three hours to get the sky looking right most of the time, and most of that is blending and reapplying to give it more depth.
Also for stars, I think the best thing you can do is go in with a pen or maker tool and put in some main stars in pure white, then go back on a very slightly off-white or gray color and add smaller, dimmer stars. This way they have a bit of character to them, and they look more natural.
Playing with layer settings is also really fun, I think color burn sometimes produces interesting results with this kind of style.
Post by: MR_PLINKETT on December 12, 2016, 03:16:40 PM
http://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
http://hubpages.com/art/drawing-FAQ
Here have a look, I dunno about you lads but this has really been a treasure for me.
Post by: Silent on December 26, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: Jureeya on December 27, 2016, 12:33:55 AM
Post by: Aierdome on December 27, 2016, 07:56:53 AM
Just wondering, but is there a specific board were I can get feedback on character designs or would I be able to do that here? I'm trying to start a comic and would like some second opinions on some of the art for the characters.
There's the OC Showcase thread in the Personal board, I suppose you could also try there.
Post by: Silent on December 27, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
Post by: PickleChip on December 31, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
Post by: Ana Nymus on January 01, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
Thanks for help with my Galaxy guys! I'll post an improved one soon. Is there a thread for tutorials? If not, does anyone have one for drawing rain?
There is a thread for tutorials, in fact. Right over here! (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=505.0) I'm not certain, but someone may have posted what you're looking for already. Also, it seems that Minna also made a tutorial (http://www.minnasundberg.fi/water_tutorial.htm) about drawing water, including rain. Hope this helps!
Post by: Unlos on January 19, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
Unlos, I don't really have any critiques, those just look pretty. I couldn't say how much they resemble real CT images, so I'll just leave it at that :)
Thank you! (They don't really look like CT images at all. They're just meant to explain why stuff look like they do)
It's been dormant for a while, but I made progress today! (Ripoff of Minnas tree but hers is so pretty and I want that for more stuff!)
Now, even more incomprehensibly, in norwegian. Hopefully it will be legible - at least when it is displayed in proper size. It's huuge.
Spoiler: show
Post by: P__ on January 20, 2017, 05:16:34 AM
Thank you! (They don't really look like CT images at all. They're just meant to explain why stuff look like they do)looks good and is legible, but totally not understandable (bar a few words) XD
It's been dormant for a while, but I made progress today! (Ripoff of Minnas tree but hers is so pretty and I want that for more stuff!)
Now, even more incomprehensibly, in norwegian. Hopefully it will be legible - at least when it is displayed in proper size. It's huuge.Spoiler: show
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 02, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
Time for some thread necromancy!
I've currently gotten
(http://i.imgur.com/fw7cnLv.png)
Some reference pics, if you haven't watched it (though I heartily recommend you do!)
Spoiler: show
Post by: Noodles on May 02, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
Post by: Sc0ut on May 03, 2017, 04:39:55 AM
1. make a new layer on top of everything and set it to "linear light".
2. get a big, soft, round brush and set it at about 30% flow. Select a light, saturated blue and brush along the edges of glowing objects. This achieves glow. You can play around with the brush size and opacity until you get what you want (I find that a really big brush at low opacity works best).
You may want to try moving the glow layer under the character if it gets overpowering, and adding a bluish cel-shaded glow around its contours instead (kinda like you already did for the character's hair, but use a slightly bluer color).
And some bonus tip on shading metallic surfaces, though you're doing a good job already:
1. never color things plain grey unless you're entirely working in black and white or some other restrictive color scheme, it just looks dead and unrealistic. Light bounces around a lot, and objects always "borrow" some of each other's colors irl. This is especially true for reflective surfaces. A good place to start is pick a color that's prominent in your background (let's say purple here) and desaturate it ALMOST completely. Use that for your grey. (If you color pick the greys in the spoon from the first ref image you linked, you'll see it's actually very desaturated green.)
2. Don't be afraid to add bright spots and dark reflections with a hard-edged brush even on rounded objects. It makes it more realistic.
3. Use a full range of (coloured) grey, going all the way to white and black or almost-black, to suggest clean, new, polished metal.
4. When drawing objects you actually have around, like cutlery, it really helps to keep one next to you and actually look at it. We think we know what things look like but that's hilariously false, even for people who draw every day xD
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 03, 2017, 11:32:32 AM
Noodles: I'm not exactly sure what you mean? It seems to work against a variety of backgrounds. But yeah, sample size is limited, sorry for that.
Sc0ut: Thanks for the tips! I'm not working in photoshop, but the program I have has similar settings that I can play with. And the desaturated color is something I hadn't thought of for the spoons and such. I wish I could get some silverware out and have an actual, real-life reference, but everything I have right now is plastic! I've been trying to work from stock photos.
Post by: AquaAurion on June 02, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
(http://pre08.deviantart.net/75f4/th/pre/i/2017/153/e/5/dandelion_smoke_4_by_aquaaurion-dbb9yxb.png)
Spoiler: old ver • show
Post by: Rhynerd on June 27, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
Here's my progress so far:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q5s7efP.jpg)
Post by: AquaAurion on June 27, 2017, 05:12:57 PM
I've been trying to so a somewhat silly drawing of a Hoppip (https://www.google.com/search?q=Hoppip&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5hdy7597UAhVFYiYKHSgBAhoQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=635#imgrc=pBrxB9cp86NwlM:) wearing a party hat and using a party blower, but I'm a bit stuck currently, mostly because I'm not sure with the direction I should take with the last part of this little critter.It's so cute!
Here's my progress so far:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q5s7efP.jpg)
Are you thinking of adding more details to the pokémon or maybe some kind of background? If you want to make it more festive, maybe you can add some party streamers or balloons?
Post by: Rhynerd on June 27, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
If you look closely, you can see some ribbon-like erased marks of ideas I've rejected.
Post by: Unlos on June 29, 2017, 03:14:29 AM
Um, hi again. I would really appreciate some feedback on my drawing. I tried to rework the things I didn't like and I think it looks better now, but I would really appreciate a second opinion.
(http://pre08.deviantart.net/75f4/th/pre/i/2017/153/e/5/dandelion_smoke_4_by_aquaaurion-dbb9yxb.png)Spoiler: old ver • show
Aah I forgot to comment on this but I like the reworked version best, it's super beautiful!
I've been trying to so a somewhat silly drawing of a Hoppip (https://www.google.com/search?q=Hoppip&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5hdy7597UAhVFYiYKHSgBAhoQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=635#imgrc=pBrxB9cp86NwlM:) wearing a party hat and using a party blower, but I'm a bit stuck currently, mostly because I'm not sure with the direction I should take with the last part of this little critter.
Here's my progress so far:
(http://i.imgur.com/Q5s7efP.jpg)
Hm, the leaves are attached to the hoppip at the top of it's head, right where the party hat is placed, aren't they? Maybe make some gimmick with the last leaf rotating on top?
Post by: AquaAurion on June 30, 2017, 07:28:19 AM
Aah I forgot to comment on this but I like the reworked version best, it's super beautiful!Thank you so much! I was kind of worried no one liked it >_<
Post by: That Bunny on January 23, 2018, 01:38:11 PM
Does someone here know about a good tutorial for drawing trees? It can be either for traditional or for digital art.
Post by: That Bunny on January 24, 2018, 03:36:54 PM
I hope that I actually posted the image! I'm not used to posting images here! :3
Edit: how do I post images??
Post by: Ana Nymus on January 24, 2018, 04:46:42 PM
So, in order to post images, your image has to be hosted on some other website. Deviantart, Tumblr, Imgur, wherever you feel like posting it. Then, you take the image url (right click and select "copy image address"), and on the forum, put that url between img tags (it's the little portrait icon while you're typing out your post). The format should look like this:
Code: [Select]
[img]hostingsite.com/whatever/your/cool/illustration/url/is[/img]
If you click "preview" before you post, the preview should show the image if you formatted it right. Hope this helps!
Post by: That Bunny on January 24, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
Ugh I don't seem to understand how to do it... :P but well, I think you can access it trough the link above. Thanks Ana Nymus for trying to help me! ;)
Post by: Ana Nymus on January 24, 2018, 11:18:18 PM
Code: [Select]
[img]https://68.media.tumblr.com/517775f3e802daad9df49cce3c4d0aa2/tumblr_p3379gah6J1x3a009o1_1280.png[/img]And that gives you this:
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/517775f3e802daad9df49cce3c4d0aa2/tumblr_p3379gah6J1x3a009o1_1280.png)
As for actual critique, I really like this! The clouds are really nice, and the orange of the person's shirt catches one's eye nicely. The mood of the piece comes through nicely as well.
Post by: That Bunny on January 24, 2018, 11:28:46 PM
Post by: Lenny on January 25, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
Post by: AquaAurion on January 25, 2018, 04:15:00 PM
Hello! (wow this thread hasn't been used for a long time, can I even reply to this?)Hi! Here's two I found a while ago
Does someone here know about a good tutorial for drawing trees? It can be either for traditional or for digital art.
bark (https://studioblinktwice.deviantart.com/art/How-to-draw-TREE-BARK-tutorial-701762932)
roots (https://studioblinktwice.deviantart.com/art/How-to-draw-TREE-ROOTS-tutorial-714046963)
This person has a crazy amount of tutorials
Post by: That Bunny on January 25, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
Post by: That Bunny on January 25, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Post by: Iceea on January 25, 2018, 07:56:08 PM
Post by: Lenny on January 27, 2018, 10:22:33 AM
Post by: AquaAurion on January 29, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
Thank you a lot AquaAurion!! I didn't know this "tutorialist(?)" :'D this tutorial saved my next ilustration!You're welcome :)