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Title: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on July 19, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Hmmmm. I'm flipping through SSSS pages again (for unrelated reasons) and, right now, page 61 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=61) has Nordic Council Lady say:
Quote
I believe one of my colleagues only voted "yes" because he lost his glasses and didn't know what he was voting for.
(emphasis mine). I don't remember her representing the "blind vote" thing as anything short of objective fact originally (Feb-2014), and sure enough, the page's image on the webserver has been modified 23-Mar-2015.

I know that Minna has retroactively modified pages so as to eliminate changes in her art style for, e.g., Tuuris and Lallis faces, and to supply native-tongue curses she didn't know at the time of posting the page, but rephrasing background info Minitrue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth) style ... ?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on July 19, 2015, 09:56:26 AM
... and what used to be SEclusions (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Seclusion) is now called an EXclusion on page 86 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=86) ...

... the "bunch of monkeys" became a "pack of squirrels" on page 107 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=107), along with several other text changes on the same page ...
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Krisse Kovacs on July 19, 2015, 10:43:38 AM
... and what used to be SEclusions (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Seclusion) is now called an EXclusion on page 86 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=86) ...

... the "bunch of monkeys" became a "pack of squirrels" on page 107 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=107), along with several other text changes on the same page ...

I am not that old reader to know this but this is interesting
sometimes I want to change my old stuffs, change the english better but I am not doing it as a profession or something.

sometimes I see some english there which sounds weird for me. it can be either literal translation for her native language, which is different in english. I find it interesting to see it and I could accept this way. the characters are nordics, so using nordic phrases in english seems okay to me. (I am not native english speaker so sometimes I won't even notice)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: SectoBoss on July 19, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
I'm glad someone else noticed this! I was re-reading the comic a few weeks ago (because of course I was) and thought my memory was playing weird tricks on me.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Róisín on July 19, 2015, 10:22:52 PM
I'd also noticed, but figured it was likely Minna editing. A pity for some things, I quite liked 'seclusions'.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on July 19, 2015, 10:33:36 PM
Does anybody remember when Minna said she wanted to go back and kill her past self for all the little things she'd left until "later" to fix, and "later" was "now", because the book was going to the printers? I think those are examples.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Headfinder on July 20, 2015, 10:18:05 AM
Actually, the whole dialogue in page 61 has been edited
Spoiler: show
(http://i.imgur.com/4jsCb7v.jpg) (http://www.sssscomic.com/comicpages/61.jpg)


I have the whole comic saved as a "just in case" archive (Although I was too busy to save chapter 7 as the pages were getting posted, at first; pretty much forgot about that until now).

I should make some .rar files for download, an imgur album or something like that
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on July 20, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
I have the whole comic saved as a "just in case" archive
Yeah, I'm pondering a similar thing ... :(

I should make some .rar files for download, an imgur album or something like that
[prepares the leeching tools]
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Sc0ut on July 20, 2015, 05:29:21 PM
I know that Minna has retroactively modified pages so as to eliminate changes in her art style for, e.g., Tuuris and Lallis faces
Does anyone have before-after examples of this? I noticed some inconsistencies in older Tuuri art (mostly her body rather than her face) but Lalli seems pretty much the same, with a handful of exceptions - I actually admired how Minna seemed to have a very clear image of him right from the start.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Piney on July 20, 2015, 06:09:53 PM
Does anyone have before-after examples of this? I noticed some inconsistencies in older Tuuri art (mostly her body rather than her face) but Lalli seems pretty much the same, with a handful of exceptions - I actually admired how Minna seemed to have a very clear image of him right from the start.

There's some discussion of it here (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=82.msg26897#msg26897).
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Headfinder on July 20, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
Yeah, I'm pondering a similar thing ... :(
[prepares the leeching tools]

I meant "just in case", as in, just in case the comic outright dissappears from the internet, or something similarly catastrophic.

It's not like she's changing any key components anyway
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Sc0ut on July 20, 2015, 06:52:51 PM
There's some discussion of it here (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=82.msg26897#msg26897).
Awesome, thank you!
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on July 21, 2015, 05:35:10 AM
It's not like she's changing any key components anyway
Sure, but the wiki would be rather empty if we'd only state the guaranteed-immutable canon facts there ... :(
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Amity on September 10, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
You people are deeply misguided.

We have never been at war with packs of monkeys.

We have always been at war with packs of squirrels.

The Minnastry of Truth loves you.  Nothing has been changed.  Everything is good.  Everything is doubleplusgood.  If you feel your memory is playing tricks on you, report to Minnastry of Acceptance for interior remodeling.

Also, if you have been keeping any private art archives, please bring all the computing and data storage devices you own to the Minnastry of Records.

For.. routine auditing.  Rumors of dissidents being sent to dig out the Keuruu-Pori waterway are completely unfounded.  You have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Fimbulvarg on September 11, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
We have never been at war with packs of monkeys.

We have always been at war with packs of squirrels.

... Is this A) a new kind of obscurantism designed to convince us plebs that the ministry is guided by hallucinogenic drugs or B) a reference to the Disqus comments?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on September 12, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
We have never been at war with packs of monkeys.

We have always been at war with packs of squirrels.
... Is this A) a new kind of obscurantism designed to convince us plebs that the ministry is guided by hallucinogenic drugs or B) a reference to the Disqus comments?
Perhaps this will clarify:

We are at war with packs of monkeys. We have always been at war with packs of monkeys.

Packs of squirrels are our allies. Packs of squirrels have always been our allies.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: asadderandawiserman on September 13, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
Onni is watching you.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on October 18, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Okaaaaay ... I'm back at a working broadband connection, so I download the book PDF ...

(http://i.imgur.com/0vgfzRM.png)(http://i.imgur.com/RJYHu2W.png)(http://i.imgur.com/OwB2EGJ.png) (http://imgur.com/a/xeViL)

... ich glaub' mich knutscht ein Elch!? :o

(And what is Imgur trying to tell me with that "random" album ID!?)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: misea on October 18, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Okaaaaay ... I'm back at a working broadband connection, so I download the book PDF ...

(http://i.imgur.com/0vgfzRM.png)(http://i.imgur.com/RJYHu2W.png)(http://i.imgur.com/OwB2EGJ.png) (http://imgur.com/a/xeViL)

... ich glaub' mich knutscht ein Elch!? :o

(And what is Imgur trying to tell me with that "random" album ID!?)

O.O I guess Minna changed her mind about the map?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: ParanormalAndroid on October 18, 2015, 02:43:16 PM
We have never been at war with packs of monkeys.

We have always been at war with packs of squirrels.

In fact, the packs of monkeys have always been our close and personal allies in this war.
Remember, Big Taru is always watching.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: asadderandawiserman on January 31, 2016, 05:13:58 PM
Sorry for reviving this thread, I though it was probably the best place to post this.

I was just showing off Minna's language tree to a friend, and I've noticed that the version in Book 1 is different to the online version: In the top left corner around Hindi, the printed version includes Rajasthani and Gujurati which seem to be completely absent from the online version. Just thought some people might be interested!
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: P__ on June 14, 2016, 09:45:21 AM
sorry for the necromancy spell, but I figured this is the right place to put it:

in page 330 (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=330), Onni and Lalli call Reynir his "ally" (or not his ally, in Lalli's case). I seemed to remember it being "friend" instead, would anyone be able to check?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Sc0ut on June 14, 2016, 11:54:05 AM
I have no way to check, but I remember it being "ally" all along. Remember how Onni later asks Lalli if he's made any friends? He doesn't assume Lalli is friends with everyone he meets, and rightfully so. This would be out of character for Lalli, and overly friendly/optimistic from Onni himself as well.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Róisín on June 14, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
I also remember it as 'ally'.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: mapmad on June 14, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
The changes are a result of better improvement of the translations from the original languages, or new discoveries in the research of the early history of the reconquest of the silent world. You might think that this is a well researched subject, but in fact much of what has been earlier called history and taught in schools has turned out to be myths and fables, especially when it comes to what we know about the six so called "Silent Heroes" and their cat. For example, the claim that Sigrun Storhildur fought off a thousand and one giants all by herself shows up only in a book from year 153, and seems to have no basis in history. However, Emil Hårfagre's good looks and shining hair, as well as Mikkel Mangfare's stoic calm against any danger is attested in contemporary sources, so a lot of the seemingly mythical qualities of these heroes are clearly historical.


 ;-)

Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Róisín on June 14, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
Heh. Have you seen what popular history has done to El Cid? Or Queen Elizabeth 1? And we don't have the end of the world to contend with.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Anna on June 14, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
The changes are a result of better improvement of the translations from the original languages, or new discoveries in the research of the early history of the reconquest of the silent world. You might think that this is a well researched subject, but in fact much of what has been earlier called history and taught in schools has turned out to be myths and fables, especially when it comes to what we know about the six so called "Silent Heroes" and their cat. For example, the claim that Sigrun Storhildur fought off a thousand and one giants all by herself shows up only in a book from year 153, and seems to have no basis in history. However, Emil Hårfagre's good looks and shining hair, as well as Mikkel Mangfare's stoic calm against any danger is attested in contemporary sources, so a lot of the seemingly mythical qualities of these heroes are clearly historical.


 ;-)

What do their titles mean?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: mapmad on June 14, 2016, 10:58:49 PM
Storhildur: "Big battle"
Hårfagre: "Fair hair"
Mangfare: "Many travels"
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on June 15, 2016, 01:17:25 AM
I can only hope that the myths also refer to Reynir Kassebarne, Tuuri Knirkermye and Lalli Kattgutt :)

(My Norwegian is from Google Translate and is therefore bound to be awful)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: mapmad on June 15, 2016, 02:55:42 AM
Yeah, I don't really get what Kassebarne is supposed to be. (Oh, what Box-child?) And I don't think "Whinesalot" is a good hero name, but ok... :-)

I leave it up to people who actually speak Icelandic and Finnish to decide the heronames here, but perhaps...

Reynir Rauðfletta? (Redbraid?)
Tuuri Tienraivaaja? (According to google translate, that means "trailblazer").
Lalli Ilvesielu? (Lalli Lynxsoul?)

I guess Lalli and Tuuri should get hero-names that sound like something from Finnish mythology, but I really don't know enough about that. Anyway, were kinda off topic now...
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on June 15, 2016, 06:23:41 AM
They were meant to be "child of the crate" and "squeals a lot", but yes, they're definitely rather tongue in cheek hero names :)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Olga Veresk on August 18, 2016, 06:14:04 AM
Page 580

Before the comments about Reynir lost his mask

(http://i.imgur.com/uxIAf2T.jpg)

And after editing

(http://i.imgur.com/oH30irY.jpg)

Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Miriam on August 22, 2016, 06:14:47 AM
In the amazing page where every crewmember has drawn Kitty, Mikkel accidentally wrote 'Missekatt' with double t at first. He erased the last t shortly after.

(http://65.media.tumblr.com/0f6362072a61b06d70f2f21e93c5b001/tumblr_ocb2zefUnX1tfp7lao1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Basse on August 22, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
In the amazing page where every crewmember has drawn Kitty, Mikkel accidentally wrote 'Missekatt' with double t at first. He erased the last t shortly after.

Although his eyes were closed when he used the eraser and accidentally erased an s first.
(http://i.imgur.com/QE2Wc1D.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Miriam on August 22, 2016, 01:39:07 PM
Although his eyes were closed when he used the eraser and accidentally erased an s first.
(http://i.imgur.com/QE2Wc1D.jpg?1)

I did not notice, thanks for sharing! Mikkel also erased the space between the s and the e.
(Minna never makes mistakes. It are the characters erasing stuff or going back to the past to say things differently or to wear a mask.)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Basse on August 23, 2016, 04:02:45 PM
For a brief moment Norway had succesfully occupied the UK and changed their flag to look more like Norways own flag.

(http://i.imgur.com/TZR2iMM.jpg)
Songs were almost made about Eide the Conqueror.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Miriam on August 23, 2016, 04:56:57 PM
For a brief moment Norway had succesfully occupied the UK and changed their flag to look more like Norways own flag.

(http://i.imgur.com/TZR2iMM.jpg)
Songs were almost made about Eide the Conqueror.

Aaahahah I wouldn't even have noticed! That's the most best flag.
I want that flag in my signature for 'English'.
(After all, I my English is 'Some. Enough.', not 'fluent'.)

And now the flag is back to the usual flag, which looks like the Icelandic flag.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on September 01, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
As we know, there has been a second print run of SSSSvol1 sold exclusively through HiveWorks. Now an anonymous user has edited the wiki page on Dalsnes (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dalsnes&diff=8261&oldid=7907), stating that the World Map in it matches the online version again (whereas the books of the original print run had various edits in it). That would make the second print run into a second edition IMHO. Could someone who bought one of those books please confirm that?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: P__ on September 01, 2016, 04:11:26 PM
regardless of the map differences, some differences (corrections mostly) have been spotted between the two editions, so you're right to call them that. They're on the forum somewhere, most likely in the "oh there's mistakes with the print" thread, whatever it was called.
But I concur, is there anyone to compare???
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on September 01, 2016, 07:58:55 PM
As we know, there has been a second print run of SSSSvol1 sold exclusively through HiveWorks. Now an anonymous user has edited the wiki page on Dalsnes (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dalsnes&diff=8261&oldid=7907), stating that the World Map in it matches the online version again (whereas the books of the original print run had various edits in it). That would make the second print run into a second edition IMHO. Could someone who bought one of those books please confirm that?

Having more money than sense I bought copies from both print runs, and I don't think that's correct. I'll advise when I've been able to check.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Kiraly on October 18, 2016, 08:22:53 PM
So...I don't have any way to verify this, but I swear when Onni was first introduced, his listed profession was "Military: Mage, Day Scout." In the course of getting feedback for a fic I'm working on, it was pointed out to me that he hasn't left Keuruu's walls in eleven years. Which...would make the "scout" part kind of difficult, but I'd never thought about it before. So I checked the character page and it just lists his profession as "Mage". The page on which he's introduced (http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=72) says "Military: Mage" but it kind of looks like it might have been edited (the rest of the lines have dots to fill up the empty space, but that one doesn't). Does anyone else remember him being listed as a Day Scout at one time, or am I just crazy?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Solokov on October 18, 2016, 08:30:32 PM
Actually... I hazily recall that he was introduced as a day scout as well..

Edit: However when looking through the wayback machine, the earliest snapshot is june 2014 and that shows his occupation as just being a Mage
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Kelpie on October 18, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
I wasn't here back in the day, but that is a mighty suspicious lack of little dots and weird placing of words. It looks pretty edited.

I mean, I've had plenty of moments where I realized that due to a characters nature something else makes completely no sense and I have to change something that has been established in my head for years.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Kiraly on October 18, 2016, 11:23:56 PM
Actually... I hazily recall that he was introduced as a day scout as well..

Edit: However when looking through the wayback machine, the earliest snapshot is june 2014 and that shows his occupation as just being a Mage

Hmm. Well, I'm glad at least I'm not the only one who has that memory, hazy or no. And the date on the page is March 2014, so it's possible it was edited between then and June.

I wasn't here back in the day, but that is a mighty suspicious lack of little dots and weird placing of words. It looks pretty edited.

I mean, I've had plenty of moments where I realized that due to a characters nature something else makes completely no sense and I have to change something that has been established in my head for years.

Yeah, I imagine that's what happened. It makes more sense for him to not be a scout, but it is annoying that I have to go back through and tweak this fic now. *sigh*
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: heiteru on October 19, 2016, 12:27:55 AM
Kiraly, Solokov
I'm with you guys, because I exactly remember that Onni was introduced as a day scout. I recently tested a character page and also noticed that Onni just a mage now, but I didn't attach any special significance.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on October 21, 2016, 09:48:19 PM
So...I don't have any way to verify this, but I swear when Onni was first introduced, his listed profession was "Military: Mage, Day Scout." In the course of getting feedback for a fic I'm working on, it was pointed out to me that he hasn't left Keuruu's walls in eleven years. Which...would make the "scout" part kind of difficult, but I'd never thought about it before. So I checked the character page and it just lists his profession as "Mage". The page on which he's introduced (http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=72) says "Military: Mage" but it kind of looks like it might have been edited (the rest of the lines have dots to fill up the empty space, but that one doesn't). Does anyone else remember him being listed as a Day Scout at one time, or am I just crazy?
The actual image file has been re-uploaded Jan-2016, but is identical to the one I downloaded 01-Jul-2015. No claim to scouthood when his Wiki page was set up in early Sep-2014, either.

I doubt that the author's comment on the page, which says "Mr. mage Onni", has been changed along with it, though. Also, the Disqus comments on the page refer to "scout-boy", meaning Lalli, without any mention of Onni also being a scout.

He's also flat out called a mage by the text accompanying the preview (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=67) of his character.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on October 22, 2016, 05:14:21 AM
It's obviously just a case of the Berenstein Bears/Mandela effect.  ;)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Solokov on October 22, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
Mandela Effect?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Ragnarok on October 22, 2016, 05:24:37 PM
Mandela Effect?

Internet theory. Here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Solokov on October 22, 2016, 06:21:00 PM
Internet theory. Here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect)

K'ay then.... that may explain why my dad says we have two jeep J300s but only have paper records for one.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: P__ on January 03, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
not really an in-comic "truth" (that's always been like that except not), but until we get excited enough / have enough things to say to start a sideproject thread, I figure here's a good place to keep this change archived (especially the Twitter link, they tend to get lost):
the 3rd side-project update (http://www.sssscomic.com/journal.php?entry=28) shows some preliminar character stats, but 10 days before that, twitter (https://twitter.com/SSSScomic/status/812386335617150976) showed different stats for Lalli, Mikkel and Emil
edit: they may actually be on the same scale since the difference is not huge and they're different levels, but either Sigrun isn't or she's an actual goddess in-game
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on January 14, 2017, 07:25:23 AM
As we know, there has been a second print run of SSSSvol1 sold exclusively through HiveWorks. Now an anonymous user has edited the wiki page on Dalsnes (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dalsnes&diff=8261&oldid=7907), stating that the World Map in it matches the online version again (whereas the books of the original print run had various edits in it). That would make the second print run into a second edition IMHO. Could someone who bought one of those books please confirm that?

Back in September I promised to check this...

Today I actually did.

The map in the second edition has indeed reverted to the online version with Dalsnes on the south side of Sognefjord and back at number 3 on the population list.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Elleth on January 15, 2017, 02:29:25 AM
Back in September I promised to check this...

Today I actually did.

The map in the second edition has indeed reverted to the online version with Dalsnes on the south side of Sognefjord and back at number 3 on the population list.

I just noticed a tiny difference, though: The world map of the second print run has a revision date set in Year 90 in small print at the top, while the online one has Year 87. What does that the first print run say? (Either way, I love how our confusion can be chalked up to scribal error in-world now, it feels so organic!)
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Purple Wyrm on January 15, 2017, 02:42:27 AM
I just noticed a tiny difference, though: The world map of the second print run has a revision date set in Year 90 in small print at the top, while the online one has Year 87. What does that the first print run say? (Either way, I love how our confusion can be chalked up to scribal error in-world now, it feels so organic!)

Do you mean the other way round? Both my printed ones have 87, and the online map has 90.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Elleth on January 15, 2017, 08:31:38 AM
Do you mean the other way round? Both my printed ones have 87, and the online map has 90.

Whoops, my bad. I only have the second printed book, but yes, I accidentally switched those around. Online is Year 90, and book is Year 87.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: P__ on June 26, 2018, 05:57:55 AM
Hey, is there a dedicated thread for book 2? I think there's one but my phone is too dumb to find it yes. Blame the phone, no-one will suspect anything.
Anyway, I finally started leafing through my book 2 PDF, and I notice that, page 61 (web page 330), Onni and Lalli refer to Reynir as "(not) ally". I distinctly remember Lalli saying "He's not my friend!"
Am I misremembering?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Kis on June 26, 2018, 06:20:09 AM
Hey, is there a dedicated thread for book 2? I think there's one but my phone is too dumb to find it yes. Blame the phone, no-one will suspect anything.
Anyway, I finally started leafing through my book 2 PDF, and I notice that, page 61 (web page 330), Onni and Lalli refer to Reynir as "(not) ally". I distinctly remember Lalli saying "He's not my friend!"
Am I misremembering?

As far as I know, we don't have that thread (yet?)
And yes, you are misremembering, I just checked page 330 where Lalli says "He's not my ally"
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Sc0ut on June 26, 2018, 06:49:11 AM
As far as I know, we don't have that thread (yet?)
And yes, you are misremembering, I just checked page 330 where Lalli says "He's not my ally"

Well, this whole thread is about how Minna sometimes goes back and changes details in some pages, so that's not much proof.

But for whatever's worth (to answer P__), I do remember that page saying "ally" right from the start. And it makes sense to be this way if you look at the characters involved. Neither Lalli nor Onni bond with people easily, they wouldn't throw around the word "friend" when actually they mean acquaintance. Notice how Onni deliberately asks Lalli if he made any friends later, when they get some time to breathe and be alone and relax. It's not the kind of thing he assumes.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Kis on June 26, 2018, 07:23:26 AM
Well, this whole thread is about how Minna sometimes goes back and changes details in some pages, so that's not much proof.

Ah! Sorry, should've looked where I was posting :/
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Grade E cat on June 26, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
Seeing this thread again reminded me of something I meant to ask but somehow never got around to: Onni's TV Tropes entry has a couple places either implying or outright stating that he used to scout, that were added before I started paying attention to the page. Knowing myself to be relatively new, I left them alone in case there had been some kind of older word of Minna I was not aware of specifying it.
However, I'm quite sure these entries have something to do with people remembering him as having been a day scout at some point. Should I change them?
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: JoB on June 26, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
However, I'm quite sure these entries have something to do with people remembering him as having been a day scout at some point. Should I change them?
Onni positively hasn't done any scouting ever since he arrived in Keuruu:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sssscomic/images/a/af/Onni.jpg/revision/latest) (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=72)

Not being immune, he is also fundamentally unsuited to be a scout, and has shown strong aversion (http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=711) to stints into the Silent World even before whatever forced him to flee Saimaa. His job in Keuruu - and probably a thing he has been trained for for longer than those eleven years - is to be a defensive mage, as in, holding a fort. I don't remember ever seeing authoritative claims for him to have been a scout, and would be very surprised to see any.

But no, there's no outright statement that he has never done any scouting, and he did somehow trek from Saimaa to Keuruu with Tuuri and Lalli before figuratively throwing away the keys to the walls of Keuruu.

The quartet wanted to hire him and send him into the Silent World, as a mage, maybe deluding themselves into thinking that he could double as a (day) scout, but he wholly rejected that offer.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Grade E cat on June 26, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
But no, there's no outright statement that he has never done any scouting, and he did somehow trek from Saimaa to Keuruu with Tuuri and Lalli before figuratively throwing away the keys to the walls of Keuruu.

The quartet wanted to hire him and send him into the Silent World, as a mage, maybe deluding themselves into thinking that he could double as a (day) scout, but he wholly rejected that offer.

The first sentence sums up the reason I didn't touch the entries, as there is part of me that doesn't exclude him having been basically a (from a safe distance) lookout for trolls on their island in Saimaa, which may fall into the "scout" job title in that world, and it having to do with him surviving whatever happened there.

The second sentence makes a good point, as my understanding is that Torbjörn and Siv were calling the final shots, so I imagine Taru and Trond convincing them to hire both Onni and Lalli based on their non-magic skills. But that calls into question what, exactly, were those skills were supposed to be for Onni, and "some form of day scouting suited for a non-immune" is as good a guess as any.
Title: Re: The Minnastry of Truth at work?
Post by: Joe Steele on May 06, 2020, 02:09:29 PM
Necromancy'ing this thread to remind you that there have never been any edits to the comic. Stating otherwise is doublepluscrimethinkful. Crimestop immediately.