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Title: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on April 14, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
Hello all, going through the board I couldn't help but notice that while we have a thread for discussing listening to music and another for collaborating together to make some music groups, there isn't one that's purely for discussing being a musician and sharing your experiences as musicians.

Some possible topics could include: practice tips and techniques, theory, talking about your instrument and instrument care, writing music, stories / anecdotes related to being a musician, and anything else related you can think of !
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on April 14, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
I can start us out by sharing some of my background in music.

I've been playing the piano on and off for about 16 years (I say on and off because sometimes I go long periods of just being way too dang busy, but it's always a wonderful feeling when I can find time again to play) and I've taught piano lessons to beginners for a while. Actually teaching piano lessons was technically my first job :3

I've got some classical training in violin, but I wouldn't say I'm the strongest violinist or that I took to it as easily as I have other instruments. Although I REALLY like doing fiddle tunes, my favorite being Celtic fiddle. I tried to start a Celtic music club at my college a few years back, but nobody showed up except a few of my friends and that might just be because I kind of made them go so meetings for Celtic music club consisted of us laying on the floor talking while waiting for people to show up  :P (surprise, they never did)

I took a few years of harp lessons through my school, and that was very pleasant. I'd love to get back into harp one of these days, but it's such a pricey instrument that the only reason I had the means to do was because I was doing it through my school. I got to do both lever harp and pedal harp, but I liked the larger size and sound of the pedal harp more (not to mention how much easier it is to change keys on the fly with a pedal harp) also this might sound really weird but I think one of my favorite things about the harp was that it felt weirdly intimate to play. Like, you play it by leaning it against your shoulder and kind of wrapping your limbs around it, it definitely added to the soothing aspect of playing the harp.

I also got to play the pipe organ in my school's concert hall a few times and that was AMAZING!!!!! I mean, we're talking about a HUUUGE instrument that's bigger than a lot of rooms so it's just SO BIG and SO POWERFUL and you feel SO POWERFUL while you play it!!!! A fun thing I learned in regard to playing the organ is that when you play the organ you get to wear these special shoes that have a bit of a high heel to them so that it's easier to play more than one note with your foot and pivot between two notes with your feet easier. That was another one of my favorite parts of the pipe organ, it engaged all four of my limbs way more than a piano and I was actually playing notes with all four limbs at once.
 
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on April 14, 2016, 08:48:47 PM
Have you played one of the little table harps or Bardic harps? I used to play one of the full-sized Celtic harps, but as my hands have crippled up with rheumatoid arthritis, that got too painful to bear. Last year my husband got me one of the little table harps, which I can hold on my knee to play. It doesn't sound as good, but my hands can manage.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on April 14, 2016, 09:05:55 PM
Have you played one of the little table harps or Bardic harps? I used to play one of the full-sized Celtic harps, but as my hands have crippled up with rheumatoid arthritis, that got too painful to bear. Last year my husband got me one of the little table harps, which I can hold on my knee to play. It doesn't sound as good, but my hands can manage.

Yes !!! My harp teacher let me borrow a small lap harp for a while, it was useful for practicing technique in my apartment when I didn't wanna walk all the way across campus to the practice rooms haha. Plus like a lot of lap harps it was really pretty and ornate.

My only problem with it was that the levers really didn't work, so if I needed to change the key to anything besides C I needed to pull out my tuning peg and manually re-tune it to the new key :c
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on April 14, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
I play some guitar, I write some songs.  Nobody will ever pay me for any of them,  but I enjoy it!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: viola on April 15, 2016, 12:23:08 AM
My life has more or less been intertwined with music for longer than I can remember.

I started on piano when I was 4 or 5 and I remember my first recital, playing marry had a little lamb. In elementary school I joined choir, and I was in a bunch of musicals that we put on at school. Then in middle school I started playing viola. By the time I started high school I was doing piano, viola, and choir, which was a bit much, so I dropped piano. With my choir I performed in carnegie hall in new york and then toured in italy a few years later. With viola I joined an orchestra and I started a quartet at my school. I practiced a lot. Like an hour minimum, during the summer it was like 3 hours a day. I worked on some pretty intense concertos. That summer I also picked up guitar. In second to last year of high school I was in choir, two orchestras, two chamber ensembles, and I was doing competitive auditions and competitions and stuff. The year after I cut back to orchestra and one ensemble. I was also in two choirs that year, and I started playing flute in marching band. Eich gave me some guitar lessons and I was also practicing that. I studied music theory all four years of high school, and took college level music theory courses in listening and theory.

As highschool finished up however, I was pretty depressed from other things, and I got kinda burned out on all the music stuff I was doing. I slowly started dropping out of ensembles and various lessons and stopped signing up for things. I kind of overwhelmed myself and I regret that. There was a time when playing viola gave me so much joy, and I lost that. Now I am here trying to get that back.

If any of you have any tips for me, I would love to get back into it. Play some more stuff. Find that joy I used to get.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on April 15, 2016, 02:03:42 AM
Viola: losing music is a total bummer. I did, for several years after my first husband died, because of several things: first, I was utterly miserable, having been rather fond of said husband, secondly, between visiting a sick kid in hospital and working all the hours I could, I was madly busy, and to top it all off, most of the people I had played music with were several states away. I eventually started again when youngest son was back on his feet, and he and one of his older sisters wanted to study Suzuki method, and when a friend dragged me along to some céilidhs. Took awhile, but I was glad to start again.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on April 15, 2016, 09:31:38 AM
If any of you have any tips for me, I would love to get back into it. Play some more stuff. Find that joy I used to get.

I'd say start with finding some simple pieces.  After being away from it for a while, your playing skills won't do what your mind remembers.    And that will be frustrating as hell.

Scales.  Little folk tunes.  It doesn't need to be much, but start with 15 - 20 minutes a day.  Your skills will come back (and now you're doing it just for the fun of it)

Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: SugaAndSpice on April 16, 2016, 09:14:32 PM
Anybody here play Cello? I do, it's such a wonderful instrument!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: viola on April 16, 2016, 09:43:01 PM
Anybody here play Cello? I do, it's such a wonderful instrument!

My friend once let me play her cello, it was fun and it tickled my knees.  ^-^

Thank you everyone for your advice. I'll let you know how it goes!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on May 02, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Hope it's okay to wake up this thread?
I play percussion in my school band and our concert is really close, any practicing advice?
I am lucky enough to have a spare snare head and stand as well as a piano for my keyboard parts, I don't however have anything to use for the timpanis -- and you'll  never guess! That's the song I'm having the most trouble with! We're using all four, and I'm having a really hard time switching between them all in the finale (regardless of the speed, I'll panic and hit the wrong one too early). Not to mention, about half the song I have to keep the tempo (the band director is going to stop conducting) and I always end up rushing...
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 02, 2016, 10:34:21 PM
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I'm no percussionist, but I'll try and give advice anyway!
For the timpani practicing, I'd suggest you set up a fake "timpani" to at least get the feel of playing. If you've got some drum practice pads, set them up in the same configuration as the timpanis on some tables or something. If you don't have any of those, then you can probably make do with anything that you can hit without breaking it or making a loud sound. You can practice your part on this fake timpani, and it won't make the sound, but at least you can get the movements down. Or so I think. Like I said, I've never played percussion, but I do similar things for piano and flue (drawing a keyboard on a piece of paper and playing it, or pretending my pencil is a flute, for example).

Keeping the tempo is really tough! When you're practicing, do it with a metronome so you know what the correct tempo sounds like. Writing notes in your music is also helpful: if you know you tend to rush in one section, writing a reminder not to may help. But yeah, practice with the metronome. Hope this helps! And good luck on your concert!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 03, 2016, 01:33:01 AM
Metronome and practice pads is good advice. The only percussion I play is bodhrán (Irish hand drum) rainstick, clapsticks (short mallee-wood sticks used to accompany dancers or didgeridoo) and I used to play balafon and the stringed raindrum for rituals, but they're a bit much for my hands, these years.

Best advice I had for occasions when I had to set the rhythm, such as setting the beat for Morris dancers or the Maypole, was to time it to my breath or heartbeat. Practicing with a metronome might serve the same purpose.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Lin on May 04, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Ohh, this is a thing here. No percussion instrument experience so far, but quite a lot of woodwind experience.

I've been playing the alto and baritone saxophone since P.4, and it's pretty enjoyable.

I don't know if this is standard in other countries or regions, but we were forced to learn the recorder in primary school, and I remember hating its sound because it just sounded so sharp and mechanical. You have not known hell until you listen to a whole class of 32 people play on squeaky recorders.

Lately I've been working on Cinq Danses Exotiques by Jean Françaix, and can anyone tell me where exactly to breathe in movement three? There are like three rests throughout the whole song, and on the rare occasions in which I finish the song without stopping I'd be so strapped of breath I can't even start the fourth movement. So, basically, what should I do to increase my lung capacity? Or at least tell me some good points to pause for breath?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on May 04, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Ohh, this is a thing here. No percussion instrument experience so far, but quite a lot of woodwind experience.

I've been playing the alto and baritone saxophone since P.4, and it's pretty enjoyable.

I don't know if this is standard in other countries or regions, but we were forced to learn the recorder in primary school, and I remember hating its sound because it just sounded so sharp and mechanical. You have not known hell until you listen to a whole class of 32 people play on squeaky recorders.

Around here, every 8 year old is issued a plastic recorder in elementary school.

I actually like the recorder.  I have a soprano, an alto and a tenor (although I rarely play them any more)
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 04, 2016, 11:37:41 AM
Best ways I know to increase lung capacity are running, swimming and singing. The Dargavel method (for training opera singers) also seems to work well for breath control for wind instruments. I know that one of my younger relatives did it to improve his breathing for bagpipe, pennywhistle and flute, and got the bonus of singing better.

My kids all learned the recorder, but it never suited me.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Auxivele on May 04, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
Welp. Hello there, fine People of the Internet.

I used to take piano lessons but stopped after I moved out of the country for 7.5 months and didn't have anything to practice with and my piano teacher moved just a few months after we came back. I tried to pick it up again but couldn't. I've been trying to teach myself guitar off-and-on but don't seem to be very good at it, though I'm going to try again once school is out for the summer (does anyone have tips for learning the guitar?). I played the clarinet through elementary school and into middle school but in 7th grade I switched to the bass clarinet which I now play. I would like to sing but can't sing on key and own a fife and an ocarina, neither of which I can play very well. I think that's everything?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on May 04, 2016, 04:43:51 PM
Welp. Hello there, fine People of the Internet.

I used to take piano lessons but stopped after I moved out of the country for 7.5 months and didn't have anything to practice with and my piano teacher moved just a few months after we came back. I tried to pick it up again but couldn't. I've been trying to teach myself guitar off-and-on but don't seem to be very good at it, though I'm going to try again once school is out for the summer (does anyone have tips for learning the guitar?). I played the clarinet through elementary school and into middle school but in 7th grade I switched to the bass clarinet which I now play. I would like to sing but can't sing on key and own a fife and an ocarina, neither of which I can play very well. I think that's everything?

For a guitar?  Get a guitar that feels good in your hands.  If you try them out in the music store, buy the one you tried, not another one.  After that, it's like anything else.  Practice practice practice.

I played bass clarinet as a kid!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Auxivele on May 04, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
For a guitar?  Get a guitar that feels good in your hands.  If you try them out in the music store, buy the one you tried, not another one.  After that, it's like anything else.  Practice practice practice.

I played bass clarinet as a kid!
Thank you for the tip. :) (Gonna have to step up my game with the whole "practicing" part of it... I tend to forget to do important details like that... XD )

Bass clarinetists unite!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 04, 2016, 08:20:00 PM
As an unsuccessful guitarist, I advise getting an electric guitar--the lighter pressure required on your chording fingers will allow you to practice longer / with less discomfort.  I have wimpy fingers.  ::)

I play flute and fife, and played bagpipes years ago.  The only instrument I studied as a kid was piano.  The rest were learnt casually as an adult, although I did take a couple of years of flute lessons.  I am theoretically a member of the Seed and Feed Marching Abominable (http://seedandfeed.org/), but have been kept pretty much sidelined by revolving injuries. 

Shamelss Pluggery Follows:

The bulk of my musical joy comes from singing at housefilks, such songs as can be found at The Virtual Filksing (http://www.prometheus-music.com/eli/virtual.html), Echo's Children (http://www.echoschildren.org/), and Cat Faber (http://catfaber.bandcamp.com/).

My favorite harpist is Gwen Knighton Raftery, of Three Weird Sisters, and Box of Fairies fame. (http://www.threeweirdsisters.com/discography.html)  If you listen to anything by 3WS, listen to Iowa. ^-^

If you try any of these links and songs, I hope you like them.  :)
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on May 05, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
My favorite harpist is Gwen Knighton Raftery, of Three Weird Sisters, and Box of Fairies fame. (http://www.threeweirdsisters.com/discography.html)  If you listen to anything by 3WS, listen to Iowa. ^-^

And I would have said In a Gown Too Blue!

RE: Electric.  You'll build up callouses with practice.  But that's why it's important to get a guitar that feels comfortable when you play it because you're more likely to play a guitar that doesn't hurt.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 05, 2016, 01:25:32 PM
As highschool finished up however, I was pretty depressed from other things, and I got kinda burned out on all the music stuff I was doing. I slowly started dropping out of ensembles and various lessons and stopped signing up for things. I kind of overwhelmed myself and I regret that. There was a time when playing viola gave me so much joy, and I lost that. Now I am here trying to get that back.

If any of you have any tips for me, I would love to get back into it. Play some more stuff. Find that joy I used to get.
Ah eeeee sorry this took me forever to respond to even though I intended to weeks ago.

But I was gonna say you're not alone in that and I can hecka relate. When my depression got really nasty I neglected music for several years, which is also why I say I've played piano on and off instead of consistently. When I was in early college and my mental health was getting better (mostly because I was out of the nasty situation that was causing the nasty mental health) I minored in music to kinda try to force myself to get back into music, but I was very obviously behind everyone else in the department from years of practice lost, and everyone in the department both professor and other student were very, eh, not understanding. When I'd try to explain to the friends I'd made within the department why I was so behind I'd get responses like "why couldn't you just play through the pain ? / If you were really so depressed you should have just used music as an outlet instead of slacking on practice / I've been sad before and had problems but I didn't just give up on what I loved." ect. ect. So it was kind of just frustrating and discouraging and a lot of people made me out to feel like I wasn't a "real" musician or didn't really care about it. Like, I'd be at parties or social gatherings with other people from the music department there and they'd be talking amongst themselves and say things like "well, we're really the only two musicians here so we're really the only ones who'd appreciate a live performance like that . ." ect and I'd just be standing there like "Um, hello ? So I'm not a musician ? I sit by you in Orchestra ?" So like, I guess I responded by desperately wanting the department's validation and doing everything possible to get it mostly by neglecting my main studies that I'd actually gone away to school for and just practicing all day every day to try to be a "real musician" to everyone else. Of course it didn't work and there was a lot of breaking down and crying in my practice room and wondering if I had the right to call myself a musician and stuff.

I dunno when it happened or how but I started to realize that I didn't do music or love it before just to have validation and acceptance, that it was about me and making myself happy and by doing it just to please other people and try to earn their validation in vain I was doing it wrong. It's something I should be doing for my own satisfaction and pleasure, ans because I enjoy it and the only time my music and playing should be about other people is that music is also in part about bringing joy and music to others, but not about needing their validation to feel validated as a person or anything.

So I think Urbanicide has the right idea TBH.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 05, 2016, 09:01:09 PM
Juniper, that definitely makes me want to smack your music department - way to put a kid off music! I'd say do it for yourself, that makes for good music and a happy soul.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 05, 2016, 10:50:58 PM
Juniper, that definitely makes me want to smack your music department - way to put a kid off music! I'd say do it for yourself, that makes for good music and a happy soul.
To be fair not everyone was like that, I'm still friends with a few people who were pretty supportive and had similar circumstances. I think I'd just fallen in with a crowd of people who were, idk, I don't even think they intended to be de-validating or they had malicious intentions, I think they didn't know what they were saying or doing had that affect on me, they mostly seemed to kinda have "big fish in a small pond" syndrome, it was a pretty small department, and I guess I was a small fish in a small pond ?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on May 06, 2016, 09:37:16 AM
Ooooh, just spotted this thread, so I'll show up I guess.

I started with piano when I was reeeal little (I think my mom has a really funny picture of me using a toy piano when I was one lol) and have kept up with it until now, though I do more fake-booking and rhythmic piano than actual music reading. I started trombone in grade 6 too, and have kept up with that. I also play ukulele, and I teach recorder to a pretty crazy class of 3rd grade boys. Oh, and I also play drums.

I have music you can listen to at my bandcamp, https://dominiquecottrell.bandcamp.com/ (if you want to listen to pop music) and on my soundcloud, https://soundcloud.com/dominique-cottrell-682109890 (if you want instrumentals). My originals aren't professional level or anything, but it's fun to write music so... yeah. I released my first album in 10th grade for my personal project, and music has sort of been trickling out since then.

Right now I'm kind of on hiatus because I'm taking exams and it's crazy, but usually I practice as a way to lose stress, etc.

Nice to meet you all!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on May 06, 2016, 09:41:38 AM
Ooooh, just spotted this thread, so I'll show up I guess.

I started with piano when I was reeeal little (I think my mom has a really funny picture of me using a toy piano when I was one lol) and have kept up with it until now, though I do more fake-booking and rhythmic piano than actual music reading. I started trombone in grade 6 too, and have kept up with that. I also play ukulele, and I teach recorder to a pretty crazy class of 3rd grade boys. Oh, and I also play drums.

I have music you can listen to at my bandcamp, https://dominiquecottrell.bandcamp.com/ (if you want to listen to pop music) and on my soundcloud, https://soundcloud.com/dominique-cottrell-682109890 (if you want instrumentals). My originals aren't professional level or anything, but it's fun to write music so... yeah. I released my first album in 10th grade for my personal project, and music has sort of been trickling out since then.

Right now I'm kind of on hiatus because I'm taking exams and it's crazy, but usually I practice as a way to lose stress, etc.

Nice to meet you all!

Oh, I like that!  Nice stuff there!

Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 07, 2016, 07:30:07 PM
Ooooh, just spotted this thread, so I'll show up I guess.

>snip<
I have music you can listen to at my bandcamp, https://dominiquecottrell.bandcamp.com/ (if you want to listen to pop music) and on my soundcloud, https://soundcloud.com/dominique-cottrell-682109890 (if you want instrumentals). My originals aren't professional level or anything, but it's fun to write music so... yeah. I released my first album in 10th grade for my personal project, and music has sort of been trickling out since then.

Right now I'm kind of on hiatus because I'm taking exams and it's crazy, but usually I practice as a way to lose stress, etc.

Nice to meet you all!

Icarus was especially pretty...I caught myself smiling with enjoyment.   ^-^  Let me know if you ever get down to Mbabane, Swaziland; I've a couple of friends with whom you might hit it off.  :D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Basse on May 08, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
A question for the clarinet players, what is a good "brand" if one where to look into buying one that is cheap but still sounds good.
Haven't played saxophone for about 4 years now but is still thinking about getting a clarinet some day.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: ginger on May 08, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Oooh, may I join the fun? :D

I'm primarily a vocalist, having sung chorally for the past three years in two singing groups, with musical theatre interspersed here and there, as that is likely my favorite thing to do. My favorite genres of music: show tunes, folk music, occasionally pop, k-pop, and...I guess a little bit of everything? But country. Country is regrettable almost entirely (with very few exceptions).

I have a ukulele who has been sorely neglected and needs some love. *glances wistfully to uke perch at top of bookshelf*

I'm also learning piano and conducting! Both rather slowly, but learning them nonetheless. In piano, I can read rather slowly in an easy key (working on reading with more and more accidentals in the key signature but ;__;). As far as conducting goes, I'm learning choral conducting more so than instrumental (I get the feeling there are some differences, including the baton and all that jazz) and can currently conduct in 4/4, 3/4, and 2/2, but learning how to subdivide the beats as well (which is more difficult).

Anyhow, since I'm only three years into this adventure, (have been doing musical theatre for seven years or so, but began that with virtually no theory knowledge and just listened to pitches until I could mimic them) I definitely have much to learn! But, gaining some more music literacy over the years has been really nice, as it has enabled me to both sing better and conduct musical conversations on chat with you lovely folks!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Mélusine on May 08, 2016, 01:22:01 PM
... Someday, I'll be rich and make a new try for learning an instrument. Someday.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on May 08, 2016, 01:41:01 PM
Oooh, may I join the fun? :D

I'm primarily a vocalist, having sung chorally for the past three years in two singing groups, with musical theatre interspersed here and there, as that is likely my favorite thing to do. My favorite genres of music: show tunes, folk music, occasionally pop, k-pop, and...I guess a little bit of everything? But country. Country is regrettable almost entirely (with very few exceptions).

I have a ukulele who has been sorely neglected and needs some love. *glances wistfully to uke perch at top of bookshelf*

I'm also learning piano and conducting! Both rather slowly, but learning them nonetheless. In piano, I can read rather slowly in an easy key (working on reading with more and more accidentals in the key signature but ;__;). As far as conducting goes, I'm learning choral conducting more so than instrumental (I get the feeling there are some differences, including the baton and all that jazz) and can currently conduct in 4/4, 3/4, and 2/2, but learning how to subdivide the beats as well (which is more difficult).

Anyhow, since I'm only three years into this adventure, (have been doing musical theatre for seven years or so, but began that with virtually no theory knowledge and just listened to pitches until I could mimic them) I definitely have much to learn! But, gaining some more music literacy over the years has been really nice, as it has enabled me to both sing better and conduct musical conversations on chat with you lovely folks!

Ukulele, niiiice! And piano! Good luck with learning, and welcome to the thread :D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Auxivele on May 23, 2016, 06:49:46 PM
DaveBro: Thank you for the tip! Now I just need to convince my parents to get me an electric guitar... XD
My desire to learn to play the bagpipes knows no bounds. My dad said that he might help me learn when I'm older and we are no longer living in the middle of suburbia.
I hope your injuries aren't too bad... :C
And I'm definitely going to look at all this music now!
amaranthineamusement: Jooooooiiiiiiiiin uuuuuuus
I totally have to check out your music now. And I understand exams being a problem. I'm going to try guitar again as soon as they let up, but that's not going to be for another month XD The possibly-hardest one is out of the way now, though, so woo!
ginger: Welcome welcome! I am impressed by anyone who can actually sing (am perpetually off-key). I used to know more when I was taking piano, but I am (arguably) regaining that knowledge as I play more in school and outside of school. :) Learners unite!
Mélusine: I feel you. The only reason I can play the bass clarinet is because for some reason my school had a couple that hadn't been in use that they found and let my try out. (Why are they so expensive)

How long have I been gone...! My big test is finally over and now I'm not studying until my brain melts out of my ears so woo! (at least until the next ones are closer... <sigh>)
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 23, 2016, 06:58:51 PM
I'm also learning piano and conducting! Both rather slowly, but learning them nonetheless. In piano, I can read rather slowly in an easy key (working on reading with more and more accidentals in the key signature but ;__;). As far as conducting goes, I'm learning choral conducting more so than instrumental (I get the feeling there are some differences, including the baton and all that jazz) and can currently conduct in 4/4, 3/4, and 2/2, but learning how to subdivide the beats as well (which is more difficult).

Ahhh conducting I'm jealous !! I've never conducted anything but I've been kind of taught how to during lessons and gotten to hold one of my friend's conducting batons and wave it around a bit :3 but it also makes me think of this fun picture:
(http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/20/34/add14636ec1efa7b3d09b400ce56141c-wacky-waving-inflatable-arm-flailing-conductor.jpg)
I really wanna know what that sounds like ? Also hats off to the dude third from the left who is watching the wacky waving inflatable tube conductor very closely.

... Someday, I'll be rich and make a new try for learning an instrument. Someday.
Any idea on what new instrument you'd like to try and learn ?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Auxivele on May 23, 2016, 07:29:50 PM
(http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/20/34/add14636ec1efa7b3d09b400ce56141c-wacky-waving-inflatable-arm-flailing-conductor.jpg)

This picture is amazing.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 23, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Ahhh conducting I'm jealous !! I've never conducted anything but I've been kind of taught how to during lessons and gotten to hold one of my friend's conducting batons and wave it around a bit :3 but it also makes me think of this fun picture:
(http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/20/34/add14636ec1efa7b3d09b400ce56141c-wacky-waving-inflatable-arm-flailing-conductor.jpg)

Haha, this is a great picture!
I was drum major of my high school marching band, and so I did a lot of conducting; I certainly felt like one of those inflatable flailing men at times! Especially during the really fast bits.

Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Iceea on May 25, 2016, 05:56:01 PM
I've been going to the symphony, BSO, for like 30 yrs so I've seen a lot of conductors. Most have have been very good, but a couple of clunkers too. What always amazes me is when they're doing a major piece and and you can see the score on the podium is 1", 2.54 mm, or more thick and the conductor never opens it, they have it all in their head. Granted it's usually one of the "war horses" like say Beethoven's 6th and the conductor has probably done it more times than they can count, but still to see them get every little bit nuanced just right is very impressive.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on May 26, 2016, 08:09:20 PM
I'd like to hear this orchestra, conducted by the weird yellow thing(? is there a proper name?)

Speaking of marching band, (I saw someone say drum major) the Drumline tryouts were today, and I made it into pit! I was hoping to get into pit because I like the keyboards better than snare, bass, or tenor , possibly maybe somewhat because of not having the pressure of the tempo and there are literally two snares. So I'm happy! Even though my hands were shaking so bad I couldn't play right, I still made it...
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 26, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
I'd like to hear this orchestra, conducted by the weird yellow thing(? is there a proper name?)

Speaking of marching band, (I saw someone say drum major) the Drumline tryouts were today, and I made it into pit! >snip!<

Go you!!! ;D  I'm glad I noticed a new post when my browser opened, that's such great news.  ^-^

For a moment, I thought the Yellow Inflato-Conductor was a PaGAGnini skit.  They would totally do that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoYsHoYpZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoYsHoYpZs)


ADDENDUM:  OBTW!!  :D  The Ohio Valley Filk Festival (OVFF) is beginning to see who is interested in attending, and performing in, the Sort-of-Annual "ChamberFilk," where (mostly) non-guitar instrumentalists practice and perform a set of Filk song airs.  (Let's face it, it's hard to accompany yourself with a horn or woodwind while singing ;) .)  It  is considered a performance workshop covered by con membership.  NOV 4-6, 2016 http://ovff.org/ovff32/workshops.html (http://ovff.org/ovff32/workshops.html)
If you are interested, they will try to send out rehearsal arrangements via a workspace.

Oops, gotta wrap.... 
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 26, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Go you!!! ;D  I'm glad I noticed a new post when my browser opened, that's such great news.  ^-^

For a moment, I thought the Yellow Inflato-Conductor was a PaGAGnini skit.  They would totally do that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoYsHoYpZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoYsHoYpZs)


ADDENDUM:  OBTW!!  :D  The Ohio Valley Filk Festival (OVFF) is beginning to see who is interested in attending, and performing in, the Sort-of-Annual "ChamberFilk," where (mostly) non-guitar instrumentalists practice and perform a set of Filk song airs.  (Let's face it, it's hard to accompany yourself with a horn or woodwind while singing ;) .)  It  is considered a performance workshop covered by con membership.  NOV 4-6, 2016 http://ovff.org/ovff32/workshops.html (http://ovff.org/ovff32/workshops.html)
If you are interested, they will try to send out rehearsal arrangements via a workspace.

Oops, gotta wrap....
Hmm, I'm actually not too far from Ohio, just a few hour's dive away . . if nothing else it might be fun just to check out while visiting some pals in Ohio !
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 26, 2016, 10:19:42 PM
Speaking of marching band, (I saw someone say drum major) the Drumline tryouts were today, and I made it into pit! I was hoping to get into pit because I like the keyboards better than snare, bass, or tenor , possibly maybe somewhat because of not having the pressure of the tempo and there are literally two snares. So I'm happy! Even though my hands were shaking so bad I couldn't play right, I still made it...

Congrats! My marching band never had much of a pit, but I saw some other bands pull it off really well! Do you know what kind of songs you'll be doing for the coming season?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on May 26, 2016, 11:08:49 PM
Congrats! My marching band never had much of a pit, but I saw some other bands pull it off really well! Do you know what kind of songs you'll be doing for the coming season?

(I'm kinda closeish to Ohio, I know a friend who might be interested!)
I can't find the website, which has all the songs, but I know 'Thnks Fr Th Mmrs' (translated, Thanks For The Memories) is one of them. They did Pompeii this previous year, too.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 28, 2016, 04:49:21 PM
Does anyone else have animals who are very responsive to you playing your instrument ? I have a cat who's about 15 or 16, I got him as a kitten shortly after I started taking piano lessons and ever since he was a little kitten and I was a kid about 7 playing piano with just one finger or one hand he'd always sit and stare at me while purring whenever I played. 15/16 years later he still does it every time I play piano . . I've been trying to figure out why he does it and I think either because it's familiar to him because I've been doing it for so long or maybe because when I was younger playing piano was really the only time I'd hold still for long periods of time so it was the only time he could be cuddly with me ?

Then I have a different cat, it's kind of the same thing except with violin. I got him as a kitten about 11 years ago and shortly after I started taking violin lessons. Now whenever I play violin he sits at my feet and stares at me, except he doesn't purr instead he makes this whining meow every once in a while and if I put my bow down where he can reach it he either smacks at it or tries to bite it :c so maybe he just really hates the violin or maybe he's just really fascinated with my bow ? I mean I can't be that bad if it's only one cat out of five meowing at me when I play violin and trying to eat my bow and the dog doesn't bark or anything  :P
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 28, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
I've had several cats who responded to music. One I had as a little girl used to snuggle right up to me if I was singing, which was funny because he was normally a quite aloof cat, being a half-tamed feral. Old Greycat, who came to us when the children were small, used to sit by anyone who was playing music, especially my youngest son and one of my cousins whom she regarded as her special protégés. She especially loved the fiddle and the Uillean pipes. Not so keen on the concertina. Our current cats aren't so keen, though one of them likes the bodhrán and the mandolin.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 28, 2016, 08:50:36 PM
>snip!<
Then I have a different cat, it's kind of the same thing except with violin.  ..,  Now whenever I play violin he sits at my feet and stares at me, except he doesn't purr instead he makes this whining meow every once in a while and if I put my bow down where he can reach it he either smacks at it or tries to bite it :c  >snip!<

You need to sit him down and have The Catgut Talk, and reassure him (a) it's not really catgut, and (b) if it is, it's no one he knows.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 28, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
I've had several cats who responded to music. One I had as a little girl used to snuggle right up to me if I was singing, which was funny because he was normally a quite aloof cat
I think some animals just like music even if it something simple, I mean 'music tamed the savage beast' is probably a saying for a reason.

You need to sit him down and have The Catgut Talk, and reassure him (a) it's not really catgut, and (b) if it is, it's no one he knows.
Mostly he needs to know his people's guts are actually apparently too small and weak to use for catgut strings. His tiny frail guts are safe  :P
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: JoB on May 29, 2016, 10:38:17 AM
You need to sit him down and have The Catgut Talk, and reassure him (a) it's not really catgut, and (b) if it is, it's no one he knows.
And c) if there's any catgut, it's the strings; the bow uses horse hair, if anything.

(On a more serious note, I'ld guess that the cat "blames" the bow because that's the part moving the most, and in sync with the music caterwa screec audio experience to boot, of course.)
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Hrollo on May 29, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
"Catgut" is short for "cattle gut" anyway. Cats were never used in the making of violins. They have been used in the making of shamisens, though not to make the strings, but rather the thin resonating membrane of the instrument.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 29, 2016, 01:25:34 PM
(On a more serious note, I'ld guess that the cat "blames" the bow because that's the part moving the most, and in sync with the music caterwa screec audio experience to boot, of course.)
Yeah I've thought about that, I was wondering why it's just him though who has to make such a fuss about me playing the violin and not any of the other cats. I think it's just because as much as I love him he's a pretty whiny cat and has to make a fuss about everything  :P he's one of those cats who will get mad if you're sleeping when he wants attention because "why are you sleeping instead of petting me !? Unacceptable !" or maybe just like people some noises are pleasant or acceptable to one cat but totally intolerable to another.

"Catgut" is short for "cattle gut" anyway. Cats were never used in the making of violins. They have been used in the making of shamisens, though not to make the strings, but rather the thin resonating membrane of the instrument.
Yeahhh I made sure to look that up as soon as I started taking violin lessons and heard about catgut strings to make sure they weren't using actual kitty guts. That's interesting that cat parts have been used in another instrument though. Kind of like how the talons of birds of prey used to be used in the making of harpsichords (or more infamously how piano keys used to be made out of actual ivory) But then that makes me wonder, what drove people to just, take a cow's intestines and go "hmm yes, I'm going to string this over a wooden box and run some hairs from a horse's tail over it, I bet it'll make a neat sound." then again, people used to use animal parts more back before modern inventions and would actually use the whole animal instead of letting it go to waste, and I'm guessing they were more familiar with what parts could do what.

Edit: I also had gut strings for a hot second once. I went back to nylon though. Gut strings are really good for baroque music, but they don't have enough power behind them for my personal taste.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Hrollo on May 29, 2016, 02:26:04 PM
Well, animal guts, along with plant matter, were an early source of material fiber for hand spinning, to create threads and ropes. And there aren't that many material that are sturdy enough to support the tension on a string instrument; before metal and nylon strings were avalaible, most instrument strings have been made either of cattle gut or of silk.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 29, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
Yep, cattle gut, sheep gut, silk or metal. Used to be bronze, silver or various alloys, now more likely steel or fine woven wire. I have played one of those raindrums with gut strings stretched taut between the two drumheads, and one with alternate groups of gut and what looked like fishing line strings, which were meant to produce sounds like light and heavy rain, with thunder from the drumheads.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 29, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Norway has a distinctive double-strung violin called the Hardanger Fiddle.  The joke goes that with a regular fiddle you play on "catgut", but on the hardingfele, you play on the whole cat. ;D

The late Joe Bethancourt, on The Naked Banjo, starts off on a gut-strung, fretless, 4-string banjo, brilliantly playing his way through the instrument's evolution on a succession of period instruments and songs. So good, you might forget it's educational.  ;)
He uses a silver-strung mail order guitar on Who Fears the Devil, singing songs from Manley Wade Wellman's stories of Silver John.
<shameless plug>
http://www.whitetreeaz.com/ (http://www.whitetreeaz.com/)
</shameless plug>

He also made an SCA Filk album with Leslie Fish, Serious Steel, among many other interests and accomplishments.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on May 30, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Oooh! Didn't know Wellman's stuff had been set to music.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: DB (f.k.a. DaveBro) on May 31, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Oooh! Didn't know Wellman's stuff had bee set to music.
If it's not available from Joe's website, I think Random Factors (http://www.random-factors.com/ (http://www.random-factors.com/) sorry, under renovation) sells his recordings as well as Leslie Fish.  ;D

Also, you can still get Wellman's Silver John collection, legally IIRC, from the NESFA Press (http://www.nesfa.org/press/ (http://www.nesfa.org/press/) New England Science Fiction Association), along with other titles.  Author David Drake seems to be MWW's literary executor, so this in collaboration with him.

Click links at your own risk.  >:D Not responsible for any financial losses or overloads of bliss.   >:D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on May 31, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
I've been a fan of the Hardanger fiddle since I found out that's what the cool dramatic strong solo from the piece Rohan Fanfare (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IOyNjCSnf8) from the Lord of the Rings film score was played on.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on June 01, 2016, 04:43:52 AM
DaveBro, thanks! I shall risk it!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on June 01, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
Does anyone else have animals who are very responsive to you playing your instrument ? I have a cat who's about 15

My ex's dog is very responsive to someone playing an instrument in her house.  Usually, he responds by barking loudly at them until they stop.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Iceea on June 01, 2016, 10:56:39 PM
My ex's dog is very responsive to someone playing an instrument in her house.  Usually, he responds by barking loudly at them until they stop.

I have a John Fahey CD where midway through one of the pieces his dog starts barking, he stops tells the the dog to be quiet, which it does, he then just picks up the piece and keeps playing. Talk about home recording ;D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: cati on June 04, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
I'm perhaps disproportionately :sparkle: infatuated :sparkle: with :sparkle: the :sparkle: hardingfele :sparkle: (one summer I made a habit of popping into a museum near my office just to stare at theirs, even behind glass with no one playing or anything) but they're so pretty :-* and sound amazing <3 and I also just enjoy reading about the different tunings, their names and when you're meant to use them and stuff (as a conventional violinist, multi-tunable violins feel like a Big Deal, lol.) So many strings, so overwhemingly beautiful, etc. <3 :-* :sparkle:
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: urbicande on June 06, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
I'm perhaps disproportionately :sparkle: infatuated :sparkle: with :sparkle: the :sparkle: hardingfele :sparkle: (one summer I made a habit of popping into a museum near my office just to stare at theirs, even behind glass with no one playing or anything) but they're so pretty :-* and sound amazing <3 and I also just enjoy reading about the different tunings, their names and when you're meant to use them and stuff (as a conventional violinist, multi-tunable violins feel like a Big Deal, lol.) So many strings, so overwhemingly beautiful, etc. <3 :-* :sparkle:

This reminds me that I have a sälgflöjt that I got last year in Sweden that I need to pick up and try ti play again.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on August 25, 2016, 07:03:16 AM
Anyone else have a wishlist going of dream instruments they want to pick up ? I have two that I've really had my eye on for a quite a few years now, my favorite being the hammered dulcimer:


They're just so old and whimsical sounding, I love it <3 plus I find them to be pretty visually pleasing too. The only issue is from what I hear they're a huge pain to tune.

Then there's the celesta:


So it pretty much has the same format as a piano, the only difference is that the hammers inside it strike a metal bar instead of a string like they do with piano, giving it that lovely chiming sound. It's been infamously used by same of my favorite composers like Tchaikovsky and Bartók in some of their pieces.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on August 25, 2016, 07:19:02 AM
Dulcimers are lovely. My husband has an Appalachian dulcimer which he hasn't played much in the last few years (he has been in and out of hospital for several years). I'm hoping he will get back into playing as he slowly recovers, since my hands nowadays are a little crippled to play many of my instruments, but I still sing. And singing to a dulcimer accompaniment is a delight.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Hrollo on August 27, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
One day I hope to maybe learn some tuned percussion instrument:


Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: ginger on August 29, 2016, 12:31:01 AM
Oooh, Hrollo, how I'd love to have you in my band class! I'm learning mallet percussion instruments at the moment (mainly xylophone, but with sprinklings of bells, chimes, marimba, and vibraphone). Right now I'm sticking to one mallet per hand and working on my speed of sight-reading (which is dreeeeadfully slow-goings at the moment) but if I have independent practice time, I can fair pretty well on simple stuff so far!

Marimba is my favorite so far (especially the deeper, more resonant notes because yes), although I haven't yet played the vibraphone plugged in, so I'm interested to hear how it sounds. Hrollo, I also love in that video that you linked how many octaves her marimba has! The two that I get to play have about 2.5 octaves or so, so I'm quite envious of the range of hers.

Basically--it's as fun as you'd think it is, though sticking properly is a challenge and I definitely haven't mastered that yet. Dexterity with the mallets, in general, is difficult, though of course the faster the rhythm the more difficult it is. But I SUPPORT ALL PITCHED PERCUSSION ENDEAVORS! OR JUST PERCUSSION ENDEAVORS IN GENERAL! OR MUSICAL ENDEAVORS! GO OUT AND LEARN YOURSELF SOME INSTRUMENTS!

Juniper and Roísín, my-oh-my do I love some hammered dulcimer music. My great uncle has and plays a hammered dulcimer and I've been playing around with it for ages but have no idea how to properly use it. For a great dulcimer player, you should totally check out the music of Rich Mullins! He played beautifully, and was a beautiful human, and his music is good for my soul and I hope yours as well:


And here's more dulcimer with some singing as well (featuring the Apostle's Creed and some delightful harmonies for any who are interested):

Sorry for the ridiculous excited spew that was that post. I just am really enjoying mallet percussion and I want everyone else to as well. I would also like to point out how difficult it is to properly hold more than one mallet per hand at one time--that girl is ROCKING IT. YAY MARIMBA
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Hrollo on August 29, 2016, 04:52:39 AM
Ginger > thanks for the enthusiastic reply :)

I've been considering the possibily to buy a small xylophone, I was there are relatively cheap ones.

Have some more tuned percussions, this time from east Asia; Indonesia:



And Thailand:

Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on August 31, 2016, 06:31:06 AM
Oooh, tuned percussion instruments! I know that orchestra bells/glockenspiels can be cheaper, too.
I haven't posted on this thread for a while, ever since band camp there's been a ton of stuff I've had to do... Then school started last week. And, the first game was on Friday, and our section instructor said we did great on halftime (even if I'm not so sure I should be included in that). I know I messed up my pre-game coordinates, though, but I feel like it should be easy to memorize them when I only have that set of coordinates to memorize... The next game is this upcoming Friday, and we're playing our second and third songs. The third song is the pit feature, and we have a lot of important parts. I know one of the said important parts.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on September 01, 2016, 07:54:28 AM
Róisín I'm hoping your husband can play again soon too ! I know that sometimes musical instruments are sometimes used in physical therapy for fine motor control in the hands, so perhaps as he progresses and can get back into playing it'll be helpful for him.

Rollo and frostykitty YES tuned percussion instruments !! Back at uni I'd always go to the jazz combo shows the music department would put on, and my favorites sets were the ones with tuned percussion instruments  :D there was this one guy who was also a music minor and OH MAN he could rock so hard playing jazz on any tuned percussion instrument, he was wonderful to watch.

Ginger THANK YOU so much for sharing more lovely hammered dulcimer music ahh ! Actually, I just remembered the one time I went to New York City and was taking the subway around, in one of the subway stations was a guy playing the hammered dulcimer. I made my friends stop and wait with me a while to watch him because he was actually really good, and that's one of the few times I've actually got to watch hammered dulcimer played in person so I was pretty happy :3
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on September 03, 2016, 02:55:53 AM
Please excuse the double post, but I just finished reading "White Night", the ninth book in the "Dresden Files" series and I came across a quote that really struck a chord with me (no pun intended) that I felt deserved its own post and belonged in here:

"I started playing. Beautifully. It wasn't a perfect performance, a computer can do that. It wasn't a terribly complex bit of music. My fingers didn't suddenly regain their complete dexterity, but the music became alive. My hands moved with a surety and confidence I usually felt only in bursts a few seconds long. I played a second piece, and then a third, and every time my rhythm was on, and I found myself seeing and using new nuances, variations on chords that lent depth and color to the simple pieces I could play, sweet sadness to the minor chords, power to the majors, stresses and resolutions I'd always heard in my head, but could never express in life."

It mostly stuck out to me so much because of the "It wasn't a perfect performance, a computer can do that." and then the "but the music became alive" bit. I've known a lot of good musicians who become too obsessed with perfection in their playing (which isn't even completely possible) that they stop having real passion for what they do, they forget why they liked it in the first place, it just becomes about being good or being the best and nothing else, and eventually I stopped enjoying hearing them play even if they were very skilled because their playing was too mechanical, there wasn't any feeling or life when they played. I'd rather have listened to someone who obviously still loved playing and was able to put feeling and life into their music.

Improving your music on a technical level obviously has it's place, there's more you can do and play and express when you have the skill to back it, but it's important to not loose sight of why you started playing and loving music in the first place.

Maybe there are some people who it always was just about being technical skilled, and not about the art or the expression or feeling, and there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want out of it. I just find it sad and disappointing when a musician who once had a love of love and passion for what they did looses it for the pursuit of perfection.

I mean, being able to put life and feeling into your music, like the quote says a computer can play something technically perfect, but putting life and feeling in music is something only we can do. It's why live performances are so magical. You get to see and feel and hear that life and feeling and passion first hand. It's great, more than great, it's wonderful.

A music teacher I had in high school once said what's so great about music and really any of the performing arts is that they're a living, breathing art form. No two performances are going to be exactly alike because humans can't perfectly replicate everything from another performance, something no matter how minuscule is going to be a little different or off, but that's what makes them alive and great and a great thing to be a part of.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on September 03, 2016, 08:50:33 AM

That' a wonderful quote, and I agree with all that you've said. It's something that I think non-musicians hear, but they don't exactly understand. I'm in a never-ending argument with my dad, who doesn't play music, to convince him that computers as they are just can't manufacture all the qualities of a well played piece of music. There's too much nuance to it, and things that the musicians do that they probably aren't even able to explain completely, and those little things really make the music. A computer, so far, can only do what you tell it to do, and I don't think we know enough about how and why music affects us to tell computers to do the right things. Anyway, rant over, I really liked that quote  ;D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on September 04, 2016, 12:02:18 AM
That' a wonderful quote, and I agree with all that you've said. It's something that I think non-musicians hear, but they don't exactly understand. I'm in a never-ending argument with my dad, who doesn't play music, to convince him that computers as they are just can't manufacture all the qualities of a well played piece of music. There's too much nuance to it, and things that the musicians do that they probably aren't even able to explain completely, and those little things really make the music. A computer, so far, can only do what you tell it to do, and I don't think we know enough about how and why music affects us to tell computers to do the right things. Anyway, rant over, I really liked that quote  ;D

Ah yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with computers haven't really been programmed to feel and express emotions and for a good musical performance I think that's necessary. Even with synth music / chiptune / 8bit music or anything else composed using a computer as a tool, it can still have a lot of feeling and expression when it's a human doing the input for what notes and tones and rhythms go where. Sure some people have managed to program robots to mimic emotional expression / parrot it, but that's different.

Although now I'm thinking about how sometimes I'm not entirely sure why and how music affects us so much. Sometimes I think it might have to do with sounds affecting us because maybe certain tones  and chords might mimic human tones when expressing things during speech but then music just expands on that ? But I feel like it might be more complicated than that and maybe not totally explainable, I don't know.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on September 17, 2016, 08:01:03 AM
Victory ! \o/

I don't know if any other string players have experiences the sheer terror that is having a tuning peg 100% stuck and ummoveable, yet alone all four, but it almost put me in a mild panic because I have no idea where the nearest luthier is or when I'd be able to get to them. It was definitely totally my fault though because its something my violin professor would yell at me about with just using my fine tuners all the time and never moving my pegs around and she warned me that it would result on my pegs getting stuck =/

So I took to the internet because just using brute force or pliers felt like a bad idea that might damage or break my pegs. Someone said exposing your peg box to heat works kind of like when you run a jar under hot water, and suggested using a blow dryer or light bulb. I held my violin up to a hot light bulb for a while and it did nothing. So I looked up more stuff and someone said exposing your peg box to cold is the way to go, such as holding a bag of ice up to it. Anyway I tried that and that ended up working :D

I'm a little bit concerned though having exposed my violin even if it was just the peg box to drastic temperatures especially going from really hot to really cold like that and I hope I didn't damage or weaken any of the wood. And then there's the peg for my E sting that's always been slippery and every time I tune with my E string's peg it immediately slips and goes flat so of course even after being stuck as soon as it got unstuck it went right back to doing that =/

So yeah, thought I'd share because I think it's useful knowledge that sometimes holding a bag of ice up to your peg box can help with stuck pegs. And, in case anyone knows of any other useful ways to get pegs unstuck.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Hrollo on September 17, 2016, 08:33:21 PM
Having only ever had guitars with headstocks rather than pegs, I can only imagine the hassle that constitute pegs. Glad you managed something!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on October 11, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
I ordered the sticker set and now my ukulele is SO PRETTY  :))  :))  :)) <3
Spoiler:  look at how cute tuuri is. THE MOST CUTE • show

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Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on October 16, 2016, 06:33:24 AM
I ordered the sticker set and now my ukulele is SO PRETTY  :))  :))  :)) <3
Spoiler:  look at how cute tuuri is. THE MOST CUTE • show

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Awww that's adorable and some of my favorite sticker usage I've seen yet ! I also really love the color of your ukulele  :D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on October 17, 2016, 01:11:30 AM
Awww that's adorable and some of my favorite sticker usage I've seen yet ! I also really love the color of your ukulele  :D

Thank you! It was my one ukulele that doesn't crack when it's dry...
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on October 17, 2016, 01:18:22 AM
Thank you! It was my one ukulele that doesn't crack when it's dry...

Oh, yikes D: I know I use a dampit on my violin during the winter, but I'm not sure if they're commonly used with ukuleles. Do you use a dampit with your ukuleles or have you considered using one ?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on October 17, 2016, 11:14:02 AM
Oh, yikes D: I know I use a dampit on my violin during the winter, but I'm not sure if they're commonly used with ukuleles. Do you use a dampit with your ukuleles or have you considered using one ?

Honestly I don't even know what a dampit is :V I've left my main ukulele in the (slightly) more humid weather, but that's it for the measures I've taken. Can you like- buy a dampit on amazon? Would you recommend one?
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Juniper on October 18, 2016, 03:22:09 AM
Honestly I don't even know what a dampit is :V I've left my main ukulele in the (slightly) more humid weather, but that's it for the measures I've taken. Can you like- buy a dampit on amazon? Would you recommend one?

Dampits are kind of hard to explain, they're kind of rubbery sponge ropes that you attach to the inside of your instrument that acts as a mini humidifier for it. Maybe once a week add more water to it. It's very important though to make sure you're not putting too much water in the dampit and over-humidifying your instrument and that you're consistent with when your re-dampen your dampit or else it'll end up doing more harm than good. You just gotta run it under the faucet for a few seconds then make sure you ring it out really well. I see stories on the internet of people complaining about dampits hurting their instruments from over-humidifying, but that's because they over-saturated it and weren't consistent. For me I always pick a specific day of the week to re-dampen my dampit to keep consistency. I think they come with instructions though about that stuff.

But yes I do recommend it :D they're super cheap too and you can totally get them off of amazon.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: amaranthineamusement on October 18, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
Dampits are kind of hard to explain, they're kind of rubbery sponge ropes that you attach to the inside of your instrument that acts as a mini humidifier for it. Maybe once a week add more water to it. It's very important though to make sure you're not putting too much water in the dampit and over-humidifying your instrument and that you're consistent with when your re-dampen your dampit or else it'll end up doing more harm than good. You just gotta run it under the faucet for a few seconds then make sure you ring it out really well. I see stories on the internet of people complaining about dampits hurting their instruments from over-humidifying, but that's because they over-saturated it and weren't consistent. For me I always pick a specific day of the week to re-dampen my dampit to keep consistency. I think they come with instructions though about that stuff.

But yes I do recommend it :D they're super cheap too and you can totally get them off of amazon.

Nice!! Thanks for the tip, I totally will. I must protect my baby! ;D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: ginger on October 27, 2016, 09:04:09 AM
Just a small and happy music update: our vibraphone cord was discovered, meaning that we can use the motor now! :D The difference is so incredible. I thought it sounded lovely before, but with the motor properly working now, it sounds even better. I love that the speed is so easy to change, and what a different sound it provides. 

This is the vibraphone that my school has, except that you cannot tell in the picture how shiny the bars are (they remind me of gold bars). I am seriously enjoying learning to play it (especially with the music that I have for it) and it is so so very lovely.
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Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on October 27, 2016, 09:54:23 AM
Excellent news ginger! Vibraphones sound amazing.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on November 07, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
Ah! I love vibraphones! We have two at my school, a new(er) one with a cut chord and one that's pretty old but the chord is in tact. Sadly I've never gotten to play one with the motor on before, but I do know what it sounds like. *whispers "I would have gotten to play a really cool part with a vibraphone last year but the instructor gave it to the percussionist who hated keyboards the most"* but anyway... The marching season is finally over now that our schools football team lost a playoff game, and I have... I have this weird thing now called free time? I'm not sure what it is really, or how to use it. Most of the time I'll be trying to do something productive WHEN SUDDENLY one of our songs starts blaring full volume in my head. Even though we won't be playing them anymore. They'll probably just haunt me forever.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: ginger on November 09, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
The marching season is finally over now that our schools football team lost a playoff game, and I have... I have this weird thing now called free time? I'm not sure what it is really, or how to use it. Most of the time I'll be trying to do something productive WHEN SUDDENLY one of our songs starts blaring full volume in my head. Even though we won't be playing them anymore. They'll probably just haunt me forever.

SAME. I was trying to do calculus in class today when suddenly our show just started playing in my head. Our football team is in the playoffs, but we're pretty much just focusing on the Veteran's Day and Christmas Parades at this point, and are done marching our show. We had a really great last show. I hit the tam tam really really hard. It was incredible.

How long have you been marching? And do you do pit percussion, or march drumline or some other exciting possibility I've not yet considered?!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on November 09, 2016, 08:19:28 PM
The marching season is finally over now that our schools football team lost a playoff game, and I have... I have this weird thing now called free time? I'm not sure what it is really, or how to use it. Most of the time I'll be trying to do something productive WHEN SUDDENLY one of our songs starts blaring full volume in my head. Even though we won't be playing them anymore. They'll probably just haunt me forever.

They probably will haunt you forever. I can still hum the tunes to marching band shows I played six years ago. Not that I mind  ;D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on November 09, 2016, 09:34:04 PM
Yeah, tunes do haunt you forever. Not just musical and marching-band stuff either. A few years back I was part of a group performing in old folks' homes (yes, some of the clients were younger than I was), and I was a little shocked at how some of their song requests sparked memories - show tunes from the thirties and forties that I had heard my aunts singing when I was a really little kid.

The really odd thing was that those particular songs didn't come out in my usual rough folksinger/reciter voice, but in the much sweeter and smoother style in which my aunts used to sing them.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: frostykitty on November 10, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
SAME. I was trying to do calculus in class today when suddenly our show just started playing in my head. Our football team is in the playoffs, but we're pretty much just focusing on the Veteran's Day and Christmas Parades at this point, and are done marching our show. We had a really great last show. I hit the tam tam really really hard. It was incredible.

How long have you been marching? And do you do pit percussion, or march drumline or some other exciting possibility I've not yet considered?!
I'm in pit! All keyboard parts this year, though, because we had the honor guard play the cymbals and stuff. Our pit isn't that fancy though, 2 marimbas, 2 vibes, a set of bells, a bass (drum and a trumpet who doubles as a guitar player), and a bunch of cymbals. I've seen all these huge bands with timpanis and crotales and electric pianos. One band had two!
It's just my first year, though. I could have joined last year at the earliest, but meh.
I'm fine with that, I guess. I mean, I'll be hearing the stand music for quite a few more years anyway, so why not!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Athena on November 11, 2016, 12:24:49 AM
Yeah, tunes do haunt you forever. Not just musical and marching-band stuff either. A few years back I was part of a group performing in old folks' homes (yes, some of the clients were younger than I was), and I was a little shocked at how some of their song requests sparked memories - show tunes from the thirties and forties that I had heard my aunts singing when I was a really little kid.

The really odd thing was that those particular songs didn't come out in my usual rough folksinger/reciter voice, but in the much sweeter and smoother style in which my aunts used to sing them.

Music is very closely connected to memory, almost as much as smell is. You know how sometimes you'll smell something and be like "What is that? That smells so familiar..."? Thats because the olfactory lobe of the brain is very close to the hippocampus, that part which processes and replays memories. The part which processes sound is very close to the hippocampus as well. (sorry for just random trivia, just thought it was interesting :P)

All the time I'll have a song in my head, or be humming it when its a song that I last heard years ago and I don't even recognize it, I just have that music always with me. It's pretty cool, I think!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on November 11, 2016, 12:35:55 AM
Yeah, I've found that with music, and even moreso with smells. Some scents will trigger memories from when I was a tiny child. I'm a serious-hobby perfumer, and I like to play with that. It's interesting, for instance, to combine domestic scents like clove, cinnamon and basil with wilder scents such as oakmoss and sweetgrass, and watch how people react to the combination.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Ana Nymus on November 11, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Music is very closely connected to memory, almost as much as smell is. You know how sometimes you'll smell something and be like "What is that? That smells so familiar..."? Thats because the olfactory lobe of the brain is very close to the hippocampus, that part which processes and replays memories. The part which processes sound is very close to the hippocampus as well. (sorry for just random trivia, just thought it was interesting :P)

All the time I'll have a song in my head, or be humming it when its a song that I last heard years ago and I don't even recognize it, I just have that music always with me. It's pretty cool, I think!

That's cool! I knew the bit about smell, but not music. Guess it explains, then, why my earliest almost-memory is the song my mom sang me as a lullaby (Sunshine on my Shoulders, for the curious). I don't have any explicit memory of it, but when it came up on the radio in my teens, it brought up feelings of warmth and comfort from when I was a baby. Even still, I listen to it when I'm feeling down for that pure, comforting feeling. It's really amazing how things like that can trigger memories, both explicit and not!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: viola on November 11, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Music is very closely connected to memory, almost as much as smell is. You know how sometimes you'll smell something and be like "What is that? That smells so familiar..."? Thats because the olfactory lobe of the brain is very close to the hippocampus, that part which processes and replays memories. The part which processes sound is very close to the hippocampus as well. (sorry for just random trivia, just thought it was interesting :P)

All the time I'll have a song in my head, or be humming it when its a song that I last heard years ago and I don't even recognize it, I just have that music always with me. It's pretty cool, I think!

That makes sense! I sometimes will listen to a bunch of music that I used to listen to a few years ago and all of a sudden I get feelings and memories from who I was when I was really into that music. It's like a time capsule of older versions of myself.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on February 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM
Have just been messing about with my new (well, new to me) bodhrán (Irish hand drum). I'm very impressed. It's a Walton's of Dublin handpainted 18" with an oak frame, goatskin cover, and the sound volume and clarity is amazing. The two such drums I already have are much smaller and nowhere near as good, though I'm very fond of the one which my youngest son painted up with knotwork for me.

I could never have afforded to buy such an instrument, but I was at a plant swap a few weeks back, and one guy wanted a hops plant and a rare bromeliad I'd brought along. He didn't have any plants I wanted to swap for them, so having heard I liked music, he offered to swap a bodhrán. I agreed, expecting another little one like those I already had, always handy to have as extras for a music night; then he turned up at my place with this amazing instrument. I gave him some other plants as well, since it was worth way more than the hops and the bromeliad, so both of us were happy.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Sunflower on February 02, 2017, 01:44:56 AM
They probably will haunt you forever. I can still hum the tunes to marching band shows I played six years ago. Not that I mind  ;D

They will.  My high school band days are back in the late '80s and I can still hear Vaclav Nelhybel's "Festivo" clear as day.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on December 08, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
YAY, other percussionists! And *gasp* Roisin, someone else finally knows what a bodhrán is!!! I’ve never played one but have always wanted to (and I LOVE the sound).
I am absolutely in love with percussion, my favorite instrument to play being the classic: timpani. I’m also very psyched at being taught how to do the tambourine thumb roll thing (should really find out what that’s called). Overall, the most best thing about percussion (gosh, I’ve said that word so many times here) is that there’s just INFINITELY many instruments to learn!! You could know how to play all the ones in your Highschool cabinet but there’s still be hundreds of other drums to learn to play.
Well, that was a bit all over the place, but yeah! Music yayy
Forgot to mention: I also dabble in Ukulele and enjoy it greatly
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: wavewright62 on December 08, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
YAY, other percussionists! And *gasp* Roisin, someone else finally knows what a bodhrán is!!! I’ve never played one but have always wanted to (and I LOVE the sound).
I am absolutely in love with percussion, my favorite instrument to play being the classic: timpani. I’m also very psyched at being taught how to do the tambourine thumb roll thing (should really find out what that’s called). Overall, the most best thing about percussion (gosh, I’ve said that word so many times here) is that there’s just INFINITELY many instruments to learn!! You could know how to play all the ones in your Highschool cabinet but there’s still be hundreds of other drums to learn to play.
Well, that was a bit all over the place, but yeah! Music yayy
Forgot to mention: I also dabble in Ukulele and enjoy it greatly

I say this as a brass player: percussion rules.  There are heaps of bodhrán players among the folk clubs here, and at any festival you can find people willing to show you how (and I daresay a vendor or two to set you up with your very own!). I may be considering learning myself. Yet another reason to come to NZ.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on December 08, 2019, 08:54:05 PM
Alkia, if you are ever in South Australia on a last Saturday of the month, you would be welcome to one of my monthly music nights. We have several percussionists, a few singers, a mandolin and whistle player (who is also, like me, a teller of folktales), plus whoever else comes by with whatever instruments. I can no longer play my big harp, my hands are too damaged, but my friend Liz can play it, as well as guitar and that little spindle-shaped Arabic drum, the name of which I forget. And although she can’t often get there (she travels a lot), one of my sisters plays ukulele.

Bodhráns are wonderful! When I help a friend with hunting the feral goats on his reclamation property in the Flinders Ranges, we save the best goatskins for a friend who makes bodhráns.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on February 21, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
Oof, it took me too long to get back to this thread.
 
Alkia, if you are ever in South Australia on a last Saturday of the month, you would be welcome to one of my monthly music nights. We have several percussionists, a few singers, a mandolin and whistle player (who is also, like me, a teller of folktales), plus whoever else comes by with whatever instruments. I can no longer play my big harp, my hands are too damaged, but my friend Liz can play it, as well as guitar and that little spindle-shaped Arabic drum, the name of which I forget. And although she can’t often get there (she travels a lot), one of my sisters plays ukulele.
ahh, this sounds SO fun!! I'm more used to classical, indoor rehearsal spaces, so this more casual-sounding thing sounds great (also, !!folktales!! Never enough old stories *glances at book shelf dedicated to fables and myths from too many cultures*). Also, when you say whistle, you mean tin whistle, right? (I'm trying to get more into Celtic music because, well, I really love it!)
There are heaps of bodhrán players among the folk clubs here, and at any festival you can find people willing to show you how (and I daresay a vendor or two to set you up with your very own!). I may be considering learning myself. Yet another reason to come to NZ.
If I'm ever in the Southern Hemisphere, I'm going to make sure to get to New Zealand and South Australia!
Also, a bit of news about bodhráns! I thiiink I found one tucked away in the top shelf of my school's percussion cabinet? It doesn't have the cross bars (although from the little research I've done they don't strictly need those), the drumhead is made out of plastic, and the beater is lost, but in every other respect it looks/sounds like one. If I can locate the beater I might be able to play around with it *o*
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on February 21, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
I must say I prefer a gathering of folkies/filkers and the like to classical rehearsals (unless the classical musician is someone I just love to listen to, such as my classical-violinist oldest daughter, or a friend who plays cello and sometimes conducts in classical style, but played bush bass in my cousin’s folk band).

And you can play a bodhran with fingertips or knuckles if you don’t have a beater, but it can make your fingers bleed if you play too hard.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Jitter on February 24, 2020, 04:37:38 AM
A case in point:
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Or actually, two:
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Just one percussion instrument can be very versatile indeed. It looks kind of simple, but is anything but!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Jitter on February 24, 2020, 04:56:32 AM
Aand now there are pictures. Ok.

The bodhran is very similar in construction with the noitarumpu or shaman drum of the Sami and other northern peoples. It’s assumed also the Finns had similar drums, but they have been totally lost. Also almost all Sami drums were destroyed in the 1700’s by Christian missionaries, but enough information about them has been preserved so that we know what they were / are like,

The noitarumpu however is not played for entertainment but to induce trance and also to ask for the spirit’s opinions and guidance. Symbols of power were painted on the hide (usually reindeer) and a lot (often a bone) moved by the vibrations would indicate the answer by its position on the symbols.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on February 24, 2020, 05:35:15 AM
Yeah, I know about noitarumpu, and they are very like the bodhrán, Siberian and Native American shamanic drums, and I suspect all may have originally had similar magical/cultural usage. Mine has a knotwork design painted by my youngest son, who unlike his mother can draw beautifully. The scrying technique for the bodhrán is to play it softly in the trance-inducing rhythm, which is somewhat like a steady heartbeat, over a bowl of liquid. The Sight may manifest as an image in the liquid, or a significant pattern of tiny ripples.

Mine mostly gets used as an accompaniment to singing or storytelling. Which reminds me, Mediæval Fair is the first weekend in May at Gumeracha, and I will be singing and storytelling in the Viking Village near the creek. We also have a wonderful harper this year! Should be fun!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Keep Looking on February 24, 2020, 06:09:20 AM
You know, once I get my license and finish school, I should take a road trip across the nullabor and see one of your storytelling sessions. They sound pretty amazing!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on February 24, 2020, 06:57:40 AM
Let me know if you come over. Accomodation at my place is a swag by the fire, but the food and company are good!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on February 28, 2020, 07:46:14 PM

Or actually, two:
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Just one percussion instrument can be very versatile indeed. It looks kind of simple, but is anything but!
woa, I didn't know bodhrans varied in size like that!

Also, I looked up the noitarumpu, and, from the little I saw, it's really a beautiful instrument (It's so cool you have your own, Roisin!). It's kind of amazing that these sorts of traditions have survived for so long, and, even if they're not commonly practiced anymore, are known about.

Another thing I wanted to share was this! Today's wacky percussion discovery: the ugly stick! I was listening to Come From Away (which is a great musical, by the way. the way it centers around hospitality and human diversity is a topic for another discussion, but I love it so much!!), when I heard a man in one of the songs mention something called an "ugly stick". So I looked it up, and found this bizarre thing! I love ittttt  ;D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on February 28, 2020, 11:35:10 PM
Ugly stick? Hmm. Does it sound anything like a lagerphone? So called because the upright stick is studded with beer bottle caps, and makes an interesting noise when another stick is drawn across it. Common in Australian bush bands, and sometimes found in jug bands. Then there is the rain stick, which is played either by percussion or by turning it end for end, which causes the particles inside to cascade with a rainlike sound. And anent rainmaking instruments, there is the balafon, which is basically a tapered drum with strings down the sides.....
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Jitter on February 29, 2020, 07:47:09 AM
I totally didn’t understand anything the guy in the green shirt said :D I could just about make out it’s probably English of some kind.  :lalli:
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on March 03, 2020, 08:18:26 AM
I totally didn’t understand anything the guy in the green shirt said :D I could just about make out it’s probably English of some kind.  :lalli:

haha, yeah, the heavy Newfoundland accent is notoriously hard to understand

Ugly stick? Hmm. Does it sound anything like a lagerphone? So called because the upright stick is studded with beer bottle caps, and makes an interesting noise when another stick is drawn across it. Common in Australian bush bands, and sometimes found in jug bands.
they're definitely very similar, although the lagerphone sounds more, hmm, tambourine like? to my ears.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on March 03, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
I quite like the Newfie accent. Especially in singing.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Keep Looking on March 21, 2020, 06:37:33 AM
I was at the beach today and I saw the remnants of a bird carcass washed up in the waves and my brain immediately jumped into poetry mode except this time it decided to put it to a melody. And I recorded it. It's only about 10 seconds long, and I cannot guarantee that my singing is any good, but it isn't awful, and there are appropriate crow noises at the end if you listen hard enough (the crows' contribution, not mine).

https://soundcloud.com/user-621540133/dead-bird
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on March 21, 2020, 09:09:39 AM
Clever. And there is nothing wrong with your voice!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on April 07, 2020, 07:47:52 PM
I was at the beach today and I saw the remnants of a bird carcass washed up in the waves and my brain immediately jumped into poetry mode except this time it decided to put it to a melody. And I recorded it. It's only about 10 seconds long, and I cannot guarantee that my singing is any good, but it isn't awful, and there are appropriate crow noises at the end if you listen hard enough (the crows' contribution, not mine).

https://soundcloud.com/user-621540133/dead-bird
oo, that sounds like an excellent start to a possibly longer song!

*percussion nerd rant mode on*
today as a band assignment, I watched a two hour long video about Percussion!! And it was actually really fun!!!! My personal highlights of new knowledge:
- So many fun percussion words like paradiddle, paradiddlediddle, zzot, ratamascue, flam, and pataflafla
- Learned there's at least 26 drum rudiments to learn (thats a loooot)
- who knew there were so many different ways to play a triangle? or a tambourine?
- apparently the chimes part in the 1812 overture is never loud enough
- even if you're not interested in watching the whole demonstration thing (which i wouldn't blame you for, I only did it for school and found it interesting after I started. Never mind how darn long it is :))), there's a very cool performance at 1:34:20

Anyways, for anyone who's interested enough, here 'tis the video:
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Fluffyfinance on April 07, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Keep looking, wow, that sounds really cool!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Fluffyfinance on April 07, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
oo, that sounds like an excellent start to a possibly longer song!

*percussion nerd rant mode on*
today as a band assignment, I watched a two hour long video about Percussion!! And it was actually really fun!!!! My personal highlights of new knowledge:
- So many fun percussion words like paradiddle, paradiddlediddle, zzot, ratamascue, flam, and pataflafla
- Learned there's at least 26 drum rudiments to learn (thats a loooot)
- who knew there were so many different ways to play a triangle? or a tambourine?
- apparently the chimes part in the 1812 overture is never loud enough
- even if you're not interested in watching the whole demonstration thing (which i wouldn't blame you for, I only did it for school and found it interesting after I started. Never mind how darn long it is :))), there's a very cool performance at 1:34:20

Anyways, for anyone who's interested enough, here 'tis the video:
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That is so epic! I used to take drumming lessons but I quit because I was pretty young and wanted to focus on the piano. I had no idea there were so many techniques and fun words like that though! I'm going to have to watch this when I can find the time :D
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: wavewright62 on April 07, 2020, 09:52:31 PM
Every year at the NZ National Contest for brass bands (well, not this year) there is also a solo competition, with musicians competing within their instrument (cornet, baritone, euphonium, etc), and percussionists have to present three different apparatuses.  Then there is a Champion of Champions event, with the top soloists for each instrument competing against one another.

The brass band Champion of Champions over the last few years has often been a percussionist (much to the chagrin of all those *brass* players).  She usually contests CoC on marimba, but once I saw her do a full 8-minute piece on a single snare drum, using the drum, frame, floor, drumsticks, and her own body.  She is not a music professional, she's in med school. 

Percussion rules.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on April 08, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
Every year at the NZ National Contest for brass bands (well, not this year) there is also a solo competition, with musicians competing within their instrument (cornet, baritone, euphonium, etc), and percussionists have to present three different apparatuses.  Then there is a Champion of Champions event, with the top soloists for each instrument competing against one another.

The brass band Champion of Champions over the last few years has often been a percussionist (much to the chagrin of all those *brass* players).  She usually contests CoC on marimba, but once I saw her do a full 8-minute piece on a single snare drum, using the drum, frame, floor, drumsticks, and her own body.  She is not a music professional, she's in med school. 

Percussion rules.

Woah, that's so cool with the snare! one of of the delightful things about percussion iS that it's so very versatile; you can use almost anything (like not using only the snare head, but also the surroundings and other parts of the instrument). Heh, that does sound quite vexing to the brass players, though (especially if she's training for the medical field, not to be a musician-- she's got talent for that only being a hobby!)
in other news: i found an old harmonica, and have decided that learning how to play it can be my new quarantine past time!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: wavewright62 on April 08, 2020, 05:58:03 PM
Woah, that's so cool with the snare! one of of the delightful things about percussion iS that it's so very versatile; you can use almost anything (like not using only the snare head, but also the surroundings and other parts of the instrument). Heh, that does sound quite vexing to the brass players, though (especially if she's training for the medical field, not to be a musician-- she's got talent for that only being a hobby!)
in other news: i found an old harmonica, and have decided that learning how to play it can be my new quarantine past time!

Oooo, mournful solo harmonica is a very fitting soundtrack for quarantine!

Also, Rachel as a GP: breaks into an uncontrollable giggle when she needs to test a patient's reflexes...
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on April 08, 2020, 07:28:17 PM
My dad used to play the harmonica. I loved to listen to him, times he was home, at night when I was going to sleep. He played a lot of things like waltzes and opera tunes, as well as folk music. I think hearing him play ‘Belle nuit, o nuit d’amour’ (the Barcarolle from ‘Tales of Hoffman’) was what sparked a taste for opera. And a harmonica is really good for jazz and blues.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Clayres on April 11, 2020, 07:13:43 PM
I, uh, hello...

I never know how to start posts...

Anyway: I managed to finish my first complete song today/yesterday technically, shh/ - a feet I am actually really proud of:

>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/we81eg2f5y3p0kd/Life.mp3?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/we81eg2f5y3p0kd/Life.mp3?dl=0) <<<

(the windchime samples are from, let's see:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqeNgQLxwkV8TqEyxG_q60Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqeNgQLxwkV8TqEyxG_q60Q)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCASiqmfYr9dXqZAdap8AfcQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCASiqmfYr9dXqZAdap8AfcQ)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiIJK9wQDAvc2MByAltv2jA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiIJK9wQDAvc2MByAltv2jA)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpt6EQ7D-h6jMwRENZOlwOA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpt6EQ7D-h6jMwRENZOlwOA)
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOfRnzRi89c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOfRnzRi89c))


It's the background music for a part of a fic I'm writing (or should write and did music for instead, whoops), which is a montage/timeskip section.

Okay, bye! *hides*
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on April 11, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
😱I'm shook! that's sO cool!!!!!! I love the, is that bongos?, percussion!! and the strings and flute melody!!!! aaAH!!!!!! Don't hide, I want more  XoX
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on April 11, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
What Alkia said! That is lovely!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Keep Looking on April 11, 2020, 08:55:34 PM
It's a really lovely piece of music!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: wavewright62 on April 11, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
I hereby promise to come back and listen to these after the "live" streaming of the Australian brass band championship is over.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Clayres on April 12, 2020, 07:40:57 AM
😱I'm shook! that's sO cool!!!!!! I love the, is that bongos?, percussion!! and the strings and flute melody!!!! aaAH!!!!!! Don't hide, I want more  XoX

Heeeh, thank you!

(It's labelled "Conga" on my sheet, however the soundfonts I used (I made this with Musescore) don't really have a diverse percussion section, hence it's "Standard 1". I'm glad you like it though! :D)

What Alkia said! That is lovely!

Aaaah thank you!

It's a really lovely piece of music!

And you too aaaaaaah~

I hereby promise to come back and listen to these after the "live" streaming of the Australian brass band championship is over.

Sure, take your time!

*proceeds to impatiently await a response*
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Jitter on April 12, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
I am no musician so I can only comment as a listener: very beautiful!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Clayres on April 12, 2020, 12:44:58 PM
I am no musician so I can only comment as a listener: very beautiful!

Thanks a ton!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Auxivele on July 18, 2020, 03:38:17 AM
I, uh, hello...

I never know how to start posts...

Anyway: I managed to finish my first complete song today/yesterday technically, shh/ - a feet I am actually really proud of:

>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/we81eg2f5y3p0kd/Life.mp3?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/we81eg2f5y3p0kd/Life.mp3?dl=0) <<<

[snip]

This is so pretty??? I think I fell in love with the song???

I've been taking advantage of being stuck at home to reteach myself guitar. Though I suppose "reteaching" might be generous, since I only knew the most basic of songs and about 4 chords. I've been planning on practicing piano more, but since I used to practice at around 9pm and that's around when my mother goes to bed, that's sort of not exactly gone as planned. I also finally got my hands on a(n incredibly cheap but decent sounding!) bass clarinet, but who knows when I'll have space to play it in. The struggles of living with so many people in the house is that there's no good time to practice instruments.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on August 02, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
I've been taking advantage of being stuck at home to reteach myself guitar. Though I suppose "reteaching" might be generous, since I only knew the most basic of songs and about 4 chords. I've been planning on practicing piano more, but since I used to practice at around 9pm and that's around when my mother goes to bed, that's sort of not exactly gone as planned. I also finally got my hands on a(n incredibly cheap but decent sounding!) bass clarinet, but who knows when I'll have space to play it in. The struggles of living with so many people in the house is that there's no good time to practice instruments.
i can commiserate with wanting to practice late at night, but not being able to because your family is asleep (why must musical inspiration strike just before i want to go to bed?!)! that's exciting with the bass clarinet, though!! yay new instrument acquisitions

I'm basically just going to this thread to complain about how much I miss the percussion instruments, which are all at school and so have been inaccessible for the last 4 months or so. I haven't been near the timpani (or bass drum, or any snares, or chimes) in so long and it makes me saaad (and I can't just go get them and then wheel them home to practice with). woeful sigh
Seriously, it's not that bad (there are way worse things to be deprived of xD), and I'm mostly joking, but I do miss those big drums, as well as the other equipment. The only percussion I have at home is a tambourine and this little metal drum which I'm not sure what to call (it looks vaguely African, but is made of metal? no idea), both of which have been fun to play with but aren't the same.

On less complain-y news, I've been doing a lot more with my Ukulele lately, which has been tons of fun!! I kind of dropped it for a while during the school year, but quarantine and summer have made me practice a lot more. I've been using it lately to make background music for some speed paints i've been working on. Oh, that reminds me! Maybe this should go in the more song music thread, but I made a song with my friend! I wrote it and did the ukulele, and she used her beautiful voice to sing it:
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oops, sorry for the long post, I've just missed this thread
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Mirasol on August 02, 2020, 03:03:14 PM
Oh, this is a thread that exists! Great!

Alkia, that song is so beautiful and calming! Your friend´s voice truly is beautiful, and the ukulele-strumming fits to it very well!

I too play the ukulele, I started to teach myself about a year ago, but never really got to any complicated strumming-patterns. I still enjoy it very much though, and will play it at any possible and impossible time. What that brought me so far was being officialy forbidden to play past 11pm on a weekday and past midnight on a weekend by my parents. Whoops...

And let me join you in the more or less serious complaining:
I can luckily play all the instruments I play at home (ukulele and violin), but especially with the violin I really miss playing with other people. I can with my dad, but I personally think it´s the most fun to play in really big groups. I´m not much of a solist, I prefer it when multiple people are able to play the same voice and sort of keep each other on track, while still having the experience of many different voices and instruments to be heard without the pressure of having to get everything totally right. That´s why I was playing in two orchestras before the entire pandemic-thing started. At this point, one of them is allowed to practice again at least (but without wind instruments), and a friend of mine from the other orchestra (who I´ve been playing together with in various orchestras since primary school) joined this one now too so we can play together again!
Just the one (occasionally for specific projects two) choir(s) I´m in are not allowed to practice anymore and probably won´t for a good while longer.
Of course there are much worse things to be missing, but music is and has always been a big part of my life, so I do miss it quite a bit.

Anyway, may you have access to your percussion instruments very soon again!
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Alkia on August 03, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
Oh, this is a thread that exists! Great!

Alkia, that song is so beautiful and calming! Your friend´s voice truly is beautiful, and the ukulele-strumming fits to it very well!

I too play the ukulele, I started to teach myself about a year ago, but never really got to any complicated strumming-patterns. I still enjoy it very much though, and will play it at any possible and impossible time. What that brought me so far was being officialy forbidden to play past 11pm on a weekday and past midnight on a weekend by my parents. Whoops...

thank you!! and yayy, fellow ukulele player!! (i guess it is a fairly common instrument to learn)


And let me join you in the more or less serious complaining:
I can luckily play all the instruments I play at home (ukulele and violin), but especially with the violin I really miss playing with other people. I can with my dad, but I personally think it´s the most fun to play in really big groups. I´m not much of a solist, I prefer it when multiple people are able to play the same voice and sort of keep each other on track, while still having the experience of many different voices and instruments to be heard without the pressure of having to get everything totally right.
yes, i do miss that too!! playing in groups, being able to follow what other are doing in the music, having a conductor-- though I think the thing I miss most about playing in a big group is being surrounded by live music. It's so cool to be in the middle of all those beautiful sounds, and to contribute to the piece of music they make together.

That´s why I was playing in two orchestras before the entire pandemic-thing started. At this point, one of them is allowed to practice again at least (but without wind instruments), and a friend of mine from the other orchestra (who I´ve been playing together with in various orchestras since primary school) joined this one now too so we can play together again!
Just the one (occasionally for specific projects two) choir(s) I´m in are not allowed to practice anymore and probably won´t for a good while longer.
Of course there are much worse things to be missing, but music is and has always been a big part of my life, so I do miss it quite a bit.

Anyway, may you have access to your percussion instruments very soon again!
yay, orchestra!! i guess the upside of stringed instruments is that you can play them without spewing air all over the place (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that wind instruments are not suited for a pandemic)
that's too bad about the choir, though. I hope that that will be resolved somehow and you can get back to singing!

oh, and thank you-- school will be starting again in about a month, and I've heard plans about some sort of hybrid schedule, so hopefully I will get access to them soon
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Mirasol on August 03, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
yes, i do miss that too!! playing in groups, being able to follow what other are doing in the music, having a conductor-- though I think the thing I miss most about playing in a big group is being surrounded by live music. It's so cool to be in the middle of all those beautiful sounds, and to contribute to the piece of music they make together.

Yes indeed! It´s like you are in the middle of a concert whenever you practice! That is definitly one of my favourite parts too.

yay, orchestra!! i guess the upside of stringed instruments is that you can play them without spewing air all over the place (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that wind instruments are not suited for a pandemic)
that's too bad about the choir, though. I hope that that will be resolved somehow and you can get back to singing!
It is really an upside. A shame though that I probably won´t see the members of my orchestras who usually play the wind instruments´ solos for the forseeable future.

And thank you!
(I do totally understand that singing is very unfit for trying not to spread a virus, but I do hope that the situation will have calmed down enough sooner or later to start again.) Right now nobody can settle on a single set of rules where I live, so some choirs can practice again, some can´t. The choir I am only occasionally singing in just moved the project to the next year (which is actually really good, because now the practices aren´t while I´m graduating school and I can participate after all). The other one is at the mercy of our education-minister, since it´s from my school. Let´s hope for the best...
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on August 03, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
I so much miss singing! Especially with friends. I love to sing.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Mebediel on August 03, 2020, 09:23:42 PM
I so much miss singing! Especially with friends. I love to sing.
It's a pity that singing over video/audio chat doesn't work very well. My friends and I have tried it and it always ends in chaos (and laughter).
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Róisín on August 04, 2020, 03:53:06 AM
A friend who sings in several choirs has been recording her parts for their choirmasters to arrange with the parts of other singers. And when Damh the Bard does his online concerts he sets them up so people can sing along.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: noonnoommoon on October 05, 2023, 11:23:55 PM
...at this point I'm just necro'ing threads left and right, huh.
Anyway! Does anyone here have advice as to how to get a better sound quality on flute or viola? I wouldn't say I'm all too bad, but I'm definitely a beginner and Need Some Tips dbndmsakbekqkl
(also, any...piano teachers here? I need to help my sister and I. Cannot. Any teaching tips for like. Intermediate beginners?)
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: wavewright62 on October 06, 2023, 04:46:51 AM
My daughter plays viola. She flailed a bit but then said if you were used to playing violin, you have to apply more pressure on a viola, with your index (and maybe middle) finger.  She also mentioned making sure you bang out the rosin to make sure you don't have *too* much.

For flute? Most of my usual advice for brass and wind playing probably does not apply, as the mechanism is quite different (I'm told, I can't actually play a flute properly).  But for most wind instruments, your air flow is crucial, affected by posture.  A good lesson is getting someone to sing their part, paying attention to how to get a good sound with the voice. The air is similarly full.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: Keep Looking on October 06, 2023, 06:55:32 AM
Unfortunately I am a clarinet player, not a flute player, so I can't really give flute-specific advice, but in terms of wind instruments generally Wave is right that posture and airflow are really important. Doing really basic exercises can be helpful too: see how long you can hold a note while keeping a constant volume, for example. Getting control over your breath / embrochure is really important.
Title: Re: Musician Talk
Post by: noonnoommoon on October 07, 2023, 03:11:10 PM
Thank you both, thats very helpful :)