The slider looks really cool! I may mess around with the layout and stuff just to make it look better...
The big article I can see us needing is one about the Rash Illness since it kind of gives the reason for the entire plot... possibly more technology articles too, but so far all we really know about is the Dalahasten (sorry, I don't know how to make the accented a's on my keyboard! T_T) - though that was an awesome article, good job to whoever wrote that one!
Thanks. It's the only article I've touched so far, so I'm starting to feel a bit possessive towards it :P
I'd love to make it even better or possibly contribute with some other articles, but too many irl projects and assignments have been piling up right now.
As for ¨ the button should be to the left of your enter button.
The slider looks really cool! I may mess around with the layout and stuff just to make it look better...
The big article I can see us needing is one about the Rash Illness since it kind of gives the reason for the entire plot... possibly more technology articles too, but so far all we really know about is the Dalahasten (sorry, I don't know how to make the accented a's on my keyboard! T_T) - though that was an awesome article, good job to whoever wrote that one!
There's an ad at the top of the front page that pushes everything down a bit too much.
It's what I consider to be the best article in all the wiki :)A wordmark? You mean like a logo?
While you're messing around with the layout, could you perchance make a wordmark to resemble the SSSS logo? Or should I do it myself?
Yeah, I was planning to work on that. Hopefully I will be able to do it without breaking the entire front page~ :D
A wordmark? You mean like a logo?
I looked around and yeah, it doesn't seem like I'm able to edit that part.
I'm not mad or anything, but whoever edited a word on the new "cleansers" article accidentally made me lose about 500 words of article about the cleansing process :P
Lesson learned: Save edits often.
Well, your keyboard may be different. Mine doesn't have umlauts or whatchamacallits at all.
whoever edited a word on the new "cleansers" article accidentally made me lose about 300 words of article about the cleansing process :PThat seems to have been me, sorry. I would've thought that a Wiki software, explicitly encouraging "minor" edits, would have some failsafe against such effects, very much like this forum warning you about posting when someone else posted to the same topic in the meantime ...
I think I'm going to move the "Recently Changed Pages" link out of the menu, since I wanted to fit more categories in there... Is that Ok with everyone? You can still see the activity list on the front page and also in the sidebar of most pages.
I was also thinking about what category to put pages like "Clensers" and "The First Rule" and the Mages article (which I haven't written yet but I will)... basically everything that aren't characters or locations or creatures. Maybe something like Terminology? Or World? Something... Anyone else have any ideas?
Question to all:
Should we keep this page now that we have separate pages for all of the people on it?
http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Secondary_Characters
If not, I'm going to go ahead and delete it just so people don't get confused.
As soon as I can (the computer was taken by the troll disguised as a little sister), I'll add other secondary characters to that. People like no-money-lady and Agneta. :D
I think I'm going to move the "Recently Changed Pages" link out of the menu, since I wanted to fit more categories in there... Is that Ok with everyone?Speaking of categories, I have not yet found a method to see a list of all (possibly entirely uncategorized) pages - like "The Rash" and "The Illness", which I just added -, only the total count of pages mocking me from the homepage. :( Any hint that I may have missed ... ?
Speaking of categories, I have not yet found a method to see a list of all (possibly entirely uncategorized) pages - like "The Rash" and "The Illness", which I just added -, only the total count of pages mocking me from the homepage. :( Any hint that I may have missed ... ?
Speaking of categories, I have not yet found a method to see a list of all (possibly entirely uncategorized) pages - like "The Rash" and "The Illness", which I just added -, only the total count of pages mocking me from the homepage. :( Any hint that I may have missed ... ?
http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPagesAh yes, the "Special:" namespace - thanks, it works for me, too!
So, quick question. Does anyone know why the "page does not exist" thing that shows up when you hover over a dead internal link is in... is that german? Dutch? Swedish?
So, quick question. Does anyone know why the "page does not exist" thing that shows up when you hover over a dead internal link is in... is that german? Dutch? Swedish?It says "TARGET_NAME (Seite nicht vorhanden)" for me, which is German, which I never selected in any properties of the wiki. I'ld guess that the language is autoselected from the browsers's language preferences (where I have set German to the topmost priority).
It says "TARGET_NAME (Seite nicht vorhanden)" for me, which is German, which I never selected in any properties of the wiki. I'ld guess that the language is autoselected from the browsers's language preferences (where I have set German to the topmost priority).
For Firefox, open Preferences, go to "Content" tab, and click "Choose ..." next to "Languages" to open the appropriate config window.
What worries me more is the on-going difference between the number of pages quoted on the front page and the ones that show up in Special:AllPages...Muh ... ? Claims 31 for me right now, and AllPages lists 31 pages and one Redirect ("Main Page", to "Stand Still, Stay Silent Wiki") ...
Job, about the timber cruiser (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/The_Timbercruiser): Are you sure it's not one of the currently existing ships of Viking Lines? A quick google search yielded several similar ships.
The part about the ship being modified by the Norwegians, is that from Minna herself? It seems kind of strange for them to move it all the way over to the other side of Scandinavia.
Actually it looks a lot like M/S Garbriella (https://www.vikingline.fi/fi/suomi/valitse-matka/laivat/ms-gabriella/)
Perhaps the shipwrights themselves came over and modified the ship on the Baltic see? It could well be that there is no sufficient know-how left in Finland or Sweden to manage such a big project.
Job, about the timber cruiser (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/The_Timbercruiser): Are you sure it's not one of the currently existing ships of Viking Lines? A quick google search yielded several similar ships. I would link one of the images but wikipedia seems to be down at the moment.We had a discussion about the existing Viking Line fleet back when the Timbercruiser appeared in the comic, from placement of the actual logo (midships, rather unusual for the current fleet) to specific ships being proposed (most prominently the Gabrielle). What killed all those speculations dead in the water was when the Paddlewheeler drew near and got
The part about the ship being modified by the Norwegians, is that from Minna herself? It seems kind of strange for them to move it all the way over to the other side of Scandinavia.Quote Minnas comment on page 92 (sorry, haven't found out how to make a link to a specific Disqus comment yet), re: the Timbercruiser's dragon figurehead: "... the Norwegians are the ones ruling the whole ship building/repairing industry, and they like their little viking ornaments. This particular ship ..."
Things like political organisation, religion and such could perhaps sort under a "society" category.
About Aurland (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Aurland). It's true that the placement of the large star icon on the map (http://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=66) suggests that the settlement lies further inland than the actual, real world Aurland town, possibly all the way up to Årdalstangen. But - the star icon itself does not locate capitals accurately, just look at Mora which is miles away from its actual location and Bornholm which is in the middle of open sea. So I'm not sure we should speculate too much about its location.Hmmmmm, point, but. Someone commented that the dotted circle for Höfn, Iceland, suggested that its inhabitants have unexpectedly grown gills ;) and Minna seemed embarrassed, so it's not like she intended the markup to wind up way off the actual locations ...
Hey, just wanted to throw this on here, but any opinions on accentless redirects? I've been doing a bit of editing on the wiki, and I've already gotten plenty annoyed at my boring old english keyboard when trying to search for Björköfjärden, for example. If we have Bjorkofjarden redirect to Björköfjärden, it would show up in search autocomplete and make it a lot easier for English-speaking folk to get around the wiki.I'm very much in favor, and created the "Bjorkofjarden" redirect to see how to enter redirects in the first place. You create a "new page" with the desired name, and instead of entering text, you open the three-horizontal-bars menu, select the first item (called "Seiteneinstellungen" for me - "page properties"?), tick the "redirection" checkbox, and enter the name of the target page.
I've no idea about Macs or Linux.You don't want to know what one can do with the xmodmap command on unixoid machines running an X11-based GUI. ;)
You don't want to know what one can do with the xmodmap command on unixoid machines running an X11-based GUI. ;)
Today's nigh-infallible Swiss pocket knife to posting weird characters in fora is to bookmark pertinent pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_alphabet#Alphabet) and use the mouse to copy-paste them from one browser window/tab into another. There are only two de facto standard character sets in the history of the WWW, the original ISO-Latin-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO-8859-1#Languages_with_complete_coverage) and the current Unicode, as opposed to the myriad charsets that some machine's OS might have set as default.
You don't want to know what one can do with the xmodmap command on unixoid machines running an X11-based GUI. ;)
Today's nigh-infallible Swiss pocket knife to posting weird characters in fora is to bookmark pertinent pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_alphabet#Alphabet) and use the mouse to copy-paste them from one browser window/tab into another. There are only two de facto standard character sets in the history of the WWW, the original ISO-Latin-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO-8859-1#Languages_with_complete_coverage) and the current Unicode, as opposed to the myriad charsets that some machine's OS might have set as default.
As someone with an english keyboard, I absolutely welcome the idea of the accentless re-directs. I'll pop over and have a look at how they work in a second! Let me know if you need help with it.
EDIT: also, do you guys know if it's possible to link to a section of an internal page? Like, if I want a link to go to one of the prologue characters, if I put in the actual URL (such as blahblahblah/Prologue_Characters#Arni), it treats it as an external link... any way around that?
Wikia seems to use the "#" as an escape char for some special trickery, too, so likely no.
I guess I'll have to take the lack of naysaying as a "go" for the accentless page redirects. ;)
In a similar vein, I noticed that searching the wiki for, e.g., "Thor" does not turn up, e.g., Árnis entry on the Prologue Characters page. I couldn't find anything about adding keywords or invisible text to Wikia pages so as to allow accentless text "redirects", anyone got an idea short of going for outright localization (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous) (which would IIUC entail that the accentless version might become the displayed one)?
EDIT: I just made a redirection page, no less, named "Arni Thor Reynisson" and redirecting to "Prologue Characters#Árni Þór Reynisson" - and it works as documented (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Wikitext/link_examples#Internal_links). Must've been the "blahblahblah/" part that gummed up the works in your test. (Not feasible to use redirection pages for every accentless name for a keyword/section we might want to have, though, I'm afraid.)
EDIT 2: To edit a redirect, use it once (which will display the target page), then click the link in the "redirected from ..." inserted at the target page's top. (Which effectively appends a "?redirect=no" to the URL.)
That will probably unnecessarily inflate our page count and will probably be tedious and confusing. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I just wanted to know the extent of this...Redirects aren't included in the official page count (as shown on the entry page), but they are listed (in italics) among the "All Pages (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages)".
You seem to be vastly more qualified for this than I am, JoB XDFor the little tech snags, maybe. Not so in terms of time (I get sent out to external projects occasionally), human interaction, etc., I'm afraid.
EDIT: Okay, I made one for the Dalahästen! I think I did it right... If you search for just "Dalahasten", it has the "redirected from..." thing in the results, which I guess means it worked?Yeah, I guess that that's what it means. (EDIT EDIT: Congrats, you made all ten still-missing ones. :P )
Ehh, I wanted to write a Nordic postapocalyptic story, and therefore I've established survival lines and story concepts that let me do that. Not really trying to discriminate against Anglophones or anything.
I'll eventually make an illustrated chart of the most common professions in each category, but peasants is mostly farmers, (food)hunters, fishers and craftsmen, while academics are the properly educated people like doctors, skalds (historians) scholars(scientists and researchers), mechanics and politicians. And military is pretty self-explanatory.
Why not make an article about the comic itself and add it as a subsection.Hmmm, hmm, hmmmm. With the kinda rant I have brewing in the back of my mind, I'm really not sure whether that'll work out proportion-wise. A bit like introducing an ant 'cause it's on-topic, and then trying to slip the elephant into its pocket. ;)
Hmmm, hmm, hmmmm. With the kinda rant I have brewing in the back of my mind, I'm really not sure whether that'll work out proportion-wise. A bit like introducing an ant 'cause it's on-topic, and then trying to slip the elephant into its pocket. ;)
I remember something in the rules about theories and speculation... here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Nimphy_I/The_Stand_Still,_Stay_Silent_Wiki_is_alive!!), I think?Indeed, it says right there that there should be no speculations in articles ...
Personally I'd rather keep speculations out of the wiki, and reserve it for things we KNOW through canon (the comic)... an FAQ could be helpful but again, I don't want to overstep our boundaries.
Indeed, it says right there that there should be no speculations in articles ...
... time for me to summarize what I found out about wiki users' blog entries, then. They appear on the wiki's "recent blog posts" for a while, the long-term access mode is to look at the list of the specific user's blog posts. They can be edited, but only by their author, plus they have the same comments mechanism as articles do. Last not least, you need to be careful about the title, because the URL of a blog post includes that (just like with article titles).
(Here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:JoB2/Making_Accented_Non-Title_Texts_Findable_Accentlessly)'s my guinea pig, FWIW. With infos about accentless searches for texts other than page titles.)
Sounds like a suitable vehicle for personal opinions to me, but there is still the possibility that The Rules' use of the term "article" (56 on the SSSS Wikia so far) is intended to cover all types of pages (364, says the magic counter (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2#Testing_Grounds)), of course ... ?
Should we eventually add pages on the paper versions of the books? I feel like we should, but I don't know. Something like "these are the books that have come out 'till now, this is what's in them and this is what they look like."
Should we eventually add pages on the paper versions of the books? I feel like we should, but I don't know. Something like "these are the books that have come out 'till now, this is what's in them and this is what they look like."Well, I already put a book-by-book superstructure on the detailed list of the comic's contents (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Table_of_Contents) and I still think that the books would merit their own article(s) ...
Well, I already put a book-by-book superstructure on the detailed list of the comic's contents (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Table_of_Contents) and I still think that the books would merit their own article(s) ...
(BTW 1: Does anyone have a good idea where to put links to that and the list of special pages (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_Pages)? I'm not quite sure how to get them off the list of orphaned pages (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:LonelyPages) ...)
BTW 2: I put two posts about technical possibilities onto the wiki blog (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Blog:Recent_posts). Should I better post that kind of stuff over here?
I was also thinking of adding a category called "about the comic" or "outside the 4th wall" or something for things like this.I introduced a category "Story, Plot Points, Artwork" today, specifically to have a category to put images like the chapter titles or the one of the V/S Þór?? gunning down the refugee ship into ...
Having all discussion in one place is probably better as long as it doesn't outgrow the thread too much.Alright then, let me "move" the two main points here:
<div style="height:0px; font-size:1pt; color: rgb(246,230,193); color: rgba(246,230,193,0.0);">(Accentless: Arni Thor Reynisson)</div>Can you use an extra pair of hands?IIUC Wikis, by choice, don't have a lot of tools to keep you out even if we wanted to ... ;)
BTW, I notice the wiki pages load quite slowly in my browser, especially when I have other windows open (e.g. a YouTube page playing music). Might that have something to do with the streaming video ads on the page, or something else about Wikia? Or is it just a coincidental problem with my (rather narrow) Web bandwidth?Cannot say that I've seen a great many wikis, but Wikia does have a fair lot of doodads installed beyond the basic MediaWiki software. As far as I've seen the pages' HTML, there's far more bytes to be transferred for the menus, CSS etc. than for the actual content - not that that's entirely unkown from "web design" ...
IIUC Wikis, by choice, don't have a lot of tools to keep you out even if we wanted to ... ;)
True. I probably should have been more specific: Is there any particular task/subject where you'd like more help? The wiki looks great so far; maybe I should just hush and let your crew carry on...
We appreciate the help! So far I think we've kind of... wiki'd ourselves into a corner in that everything we know so far is represented fairly well. We'll have to wait until the start of Chapter 4 tomorrow (eeeeeeee so excited!) to see if there's anything that needs to be added...
Although, I've been thinking about putting together a guide on writing wiki articles... Like, how/when to link pages together, the style, sections you need to include... You and I can work on that together if you'd like?
I saw that guide, mind if I add something or do you wish to do it yourself?
I had thought we'd wikied ourselves into a corner long ago, but strangely I kept receiving emails on all sorts of articles. I was thinking, as there are many cities which will probably not be important to the immediate plot, we could gather all the ones where our characters haven't been in just a page?I wouldn't call it "into a corner" as much as "pretty much caught up" ...
(And while we're discussing a style guide (haven't read that yet): [...])P.S.: The part on (not) modifying images doesn't exempt resizing, which I've done sometimes with the purpose of complying to the "not too much detail" idea. OK or not?
Ummmmmhh I guess the "no editing" part means NOPE for this one (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sweden.jpg) ... ?
Concerning "less important" locations, what exactly would you want to write about them?
(And while we're discussing a style guide (haven't read that yet): IIUC making keywords where one thinks "that should become a page of its own eventually" into such redlinks is how people should implicitly maintain a content to-do list, isn't it?)
Oh, yeah, nope. I don't see why should we modify the comic itself, and it's not our decision to make.OK, it's replaced now. Page 117 had a no-bubble view of landscape with Swedish flags. That leaves Norway as the only country with no readily recognizable symbol available from the comic yet. (Iceland and, interestingly enough, Finland had maps matching their pre-Rash outlines, and Mora and the Öresundsbro base had panoramic views with flying colors.)
was it you writing the cities pages? I'm pretty sure it was you.I wrote a number of pages for cities, but it was someone else inserting lists of all known settlements with (Red)links into the country pages.
Errr... Don't think so, but whatever. Do as you like, as long as they don't remain redlinks forever.One of the advantages of having them hang around and be listed as Redlinks is that you can easily find out which pages have such a Redlink on them - and, say, relink to a "List of Boringhams" page if they don't get "fixed" in a timely manner. ;)
Someone should add a page for admiral Shouty Olsen. :P
I'll put him on the Secondary Characters page :)I have a hunch he'll be yelling at you for this debasement! ;)
I have a hunch he'll be yelling at you for this debasement! ;)
I was half-tempted to write his entire entry in capitals.
I was half-tempted to write his entire entry in capitals.Well there are ways to do that in a perfectly legal way (http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_font_font-variant.asp).
Well there are ways to do that in a perfectly legal way (http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_font_font-variant.asp).
This actually goes back to what I was wondering way back when we were first setting up the Wiki, which is - how much can you change regarding the layout and colors and whatever? Like, is it possible make an external CSS sheet and link it it to the wiki? Or are you confined by Wikia's layout but can change small things like fonts and colors?If I remember correctly what I glanced when I brushed the Wikia help pages, then the specific Wikia's set of CSS are up to its admins to edit. Vewwy Cawefuwwy, of course. ;)
Is there a way to view the statistics of all the articles, like their total size and word count, number of crosslinks and so forth? It would be sort of useful when trying to get an overview of articles that might require work.Almost forgot to (try to) answer this one ...
This actually goes back to what I was wondering way back when we were first setting up the Wiki, which is - how much can you change regarding the layout and colors and whatever? Like, is it possible make an external CSS sheet and link it it to the wiki? Or are you confined by Wikia's layout but can change small things like fonts and colors?
I can change wikia's layout, at least for colors and backgrounds and stuffHmmm. You're obviously referring to the Theme Designer (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Theme_designer). According to the Admin Dashboard Help Page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Admin_Dashboard), you should also have a link there taking you to an outright outright editor for the Wikia CSS (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Editing_Special:CSS). Also, there's a list of CSS and JS files (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:JavaScript_and_CSS_Cheatsheet) that can be modified.
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if the full text search cache, after its next update, shows the matched text portion for Arni the way I expect it to.Aaaand check (see attached screenshot)!
very formal Nor: Ææ Øø Åå é è ê ó ò â ô
I don't get this, what's formal about it and are all those lower case letters meant to be Norwegian characters?Info taken straight from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_orthography#Diacritics) ...
I don't get this, what's formal about it and are all those lower case letters meant to be Norwegian characters?
I mightn't be able to understand word one from them, but it seems that the native counterparts confirm the two Finnish extra characters (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomen_kielen_aakkoset) as well as the use of at least the acute and grave accent in Norwegian (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_dansk-norske_alfabetet) ...
Ah, but these are not individual alphabetic letters, they are diacritical accent marksHm ...
I just wanted to thank whoever wrote the languages article, it's very nice! That graph is also very well done.Thanks, it suddenly occured to me that that buncha facts ought to be spelled out on its own page (before, say, the editors of the characters' pages sprinkle it every which way). I am still puzzled where to put links to it, though. ::)
Did we break Wikia's newest and bestest (the VisualEditor), or has it been disabled globally? :-/
I can still access visual editor ... did you mean that some newer edition of visual editor is inaccessible or are you totally consigned to the source editor?I'm hitting the normal "Edit" button and instead of bringing up the VisualEditor, I get the Classic Edito (in visual mode).
Then again, I'm restricted to an older browser the last couple days ... will try with the other one when I get a round tuit.Yup, it was a reaction to the aged browser. Forget I said anything. ::)
Yup, it was a reaction to the aged browser. Forget I said anything. ::)
maybe we could consider getting some sort of organised layout for it. I was thinking something similar (but not necessarily identical) to this wiki's layout (http://www.mariowiki.com/) could be viable.Heh. That one's based on the "Monobook" style that they want supplanted with "Wikias new Look" (see selection box on the first tab of your user settings), isn't it? :D
Umh, Solovei? You are aware that a) renaming the page to something else than "The Cat-tank" will leave a redirection under that name, requiring admin intervention to actually erase it, and b) the Nordic council logo has five points while the expedition logo has six, yes ... ?Oh, does it? Hmm. I hadn't considered that. I do feel like we need a page for it and I wasn't sure what else to call it. I'll sort out the redirection thing with my admin powers, don't worry.
Oh, does it? Hmm. I hadn't considered that. I do feel like we need a page for it and I wasn't sure what else to call it. I'll sort out the redirection thing with my admin powers, don't worry.Alright, techdata bomb run scheduled for this eve ... :P
Someone on the comments (I think) said the sixth, empty shape was for the Silent World.That has been one of the two most popular theories in the comments ever since we've seen the Nordic Council symbol (the other being that there's one tip for each crew member, and the hollow one being Braidy), but the cat-tank showing the six-points symbol with the flags' colors is the first thing to officially suggest they're as much as related ...
I'll sort out the redirection thing with my admin powers, don't worry.Speaking of that, could you please overpower the redirection named "Arni Thor Reynisson" and pointing to Arnis entry in the Prologue Characters page?
Speaking of that, could you please overpower the redirection named "Arni Thor Reynisson" and pointing to Arnis entry in the Prologue Characters page?
I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this: do the Oresundsbro Base and the Oresund Bridge need separate pages? Or should the bridge be described as a feature of the base. I'm thinking given the fact that it existed pre-rash, it can stand to be on it's own, but plot-wise they kind of go together, so... I'm not sure.
Also, the Cat-tank page is currently orphaned! Can anyone add some links to it from other pages? It has a lot of links out but not any links in.
I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this: do the Oresundsbro Base and the Oresund Bridge need separate pages? Or should the bridge be described as a feature of the base. I'm thinking given the fact that it existed pre-rash, it can stand to be on it's own, but plot-wise they kind of go together, so... I'm not sure.As of today, the actual bridge is connected to a tunnel (that Minna already confirmed to still be in existence and operation in year 90) on the artificial island of Peberholm, that resurfaces near the Copenhagen airport, which might be the derelict airport seen in the other team "photo"; all of these features might not only happen to have a relevant pre-Rash history but also a during-Danish-reconquest-attempts history, yadda yadda, possibly leading to a page way longer than the one on the base - where, as it turns out, we have only the here and now to report.
Also, the Cat-tank page is currently orphaned! Can anyone add some links to it from other pages? It has a lot of links out but not any links in.It is not (confirms the relevant special page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:LonelyPages)), at least the Öresundsbro Base article links to it. (Added one from "Plot Outline", though. More links from "Table of Contents" and/or "Table of Special Pages" will likely follow.)
As of today, the actual bridge is connected to a tunnel (that Minna already confirmed to still be in existence and operation in year 90) on the artificial island of Peberholm, that resurfaces near the Copenhagen airport, which might be the derelict airport seen in the other team "photo"; all of these features might not only happen to have a relevant pre-Rash history but also a during-Danish-reconquest-attempts history, yadda yadda, possibly leading to a page way longer than the one on the base - where, as it turns out, we have only the here and now to report.
I might be infamous for inflating minuscule pages into PhD theses, but if nobody were to create said pages beforehand, I'ld prefer to delay such decisions until the storyline telegraphs "alright we're done with this item for the moment". ::)
It is not (confirms the relevant special page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:LonelyPages)), at least the Öresundsbro Base article links to it. (Added one from "Plot Outline", though. More links from "Table of Contents" and/or "Table of Special Pages" will likely follow.)
Given the suspenseful turn of events on p. 201 as Tuuri drives thestagecoachCattank over the frail log road, I think the Öresundsbro Bridge definitely deserves its own page! (Hopefully not with its own list of casualties...)
We seem to have a new contributor on the Wiki with, ummh ... IMHO mixed results. On one hand, I like the "Characters" template (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Characters) and the use of "location" infoboxes fine and will have a look at expanding those ideas to other categories when time permits. On the other hand, we now have a "Dalahästen giant (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Dalah%C3%A4sten_giant)" page essentially narrating the scene, with a lot of not-quite-factual detail, another page on "Scandinavia (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Scandinavia)" and how the meaning has supposedly changed post-Rash, and a bunch of added redirections to existing pages a la "Tuuri" -> "Tuuri Hotakainen" or "Troll" -> "Trolls". (Middle ground provided by adding a category "Giants" besides "Creatures" and renaming a couple pages so as to remove the leading article.)
Would someone like to play second (actually third and counting) opinion there ... ?
Mixed opinions here too. They sure know their wiki coding, but giants category? We already have a monsters category. People? There's characters already! Plus, I constantly receive emails about edits, but none of them are actually adding something to the pages, and it's kind of annoying.
If everyone's okay, I'll start a little polishing by taking away the two above mentioned categories and editing some of the new pages.
Hydroelectric energy? Nokia? Isafjordur? Geothermal energy? This is supposed to be a wiki for SSSS, not Wikipedia! Nearly all the pages in there are about minor cities which maybe weren't even mentioned - do we really need that much useless information in the wiki?
Hydroelectric energy? Nokia? Isafjordur? Geothermal energy? This is supposed to be a wiki for SSSS, not Wikipedia! Nearly all the pages in there are about minor cities which maybe weren't even mentioned - do we really need that much useless information in the wiki?We don't, that's why a good deal of those pages are still missing in the first place.
Different subtopic, separate post ... Nimphy, could you please elaborate on that new rule in the submission guide? What I "hear" it saying is that unless Minna herself draws (random example) a chart of which character outranks which, so that we can crop and upload it, the Wiki isn't allowed to have one, even if someone were to draw it from scratch with nothing but rectangles and lines and the characters' names typed into the boxes. Is that what you mean to say?
While I loved the idea of a language chart (the one that illustrates which character can understand who), we don't KNOW if Braidy only speaks Icelandic, that's why I don't really like it in the wiki as the main image for that article, no less.Well that's easy enough to fix, I've kept interim versions so as to be able to correct for additional Braidy languages after the fact, anyway. I thought that the "fanart" statement was objecting to my using snippets of Minnas artwork to symbolize characters and languages ...
Should we put up spoiler warnings, or just try to stick to general information and leave the plot out of it?You might want to check out the "Spoiler block" and "Spoiler text" templates here (http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Spoiler_Templates) ...
EDIT: Nimphy, do you mind if I take the rules you wrote up and put them into their own page, rather than a blog post?I added references between that blog post and the "Submission guide" page a while ago, assuming that the latter had already superseded the former ... ?
I like how the Öresund Bridge article is shaping up, but it leads me to ask a question about spoilers - would the bridge breaking be considered a spoiler? How do we deal with these in the future, as the plot thickens and people might not want to know certain details if they just start reading? Should we put up spoiler warnings, or just try to stick to general information and leave the plot out of it?
I think we are just going to have to live with the fact that the wiki is a walking spoiler. Maybe put a warning on the frontpage that you shouldn't be there if you haven't read the whole thing, because it's pretty much unavoidable.As with almost every other wiki.
As with almost every other wiki.
The One Piece wiki spoiled so much for me, but I just couldn't help myself. Now I know better, of course, but still... hard times.
Uh ... what happened? I'ld swear I've seen more edits by KenoSarawa over the weekend, but right now none show up in the lists of recent changes anymore ... ?
I've been watching the edits all weekend as well and other than you adding Nav boxes and [...] working on the Oresund Bridge article, we haven't had much going on.Hm. Guess I should stop not using psychoactive substances, then. ???
Hm. Guess I should stop not using psychoactive substances, then. ???
Other topic: After seeing KenoSarawas "location" infobox, I stewed up a "person" infobox, somewhat adapted to the kind of data we typically have for SSSS characters but adaptable to cover real-world persons as well. I made some samples (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_person#Samples) and also edited it into Onnis page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Onni_Hotakainen) and my profile (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2) to show what it does. Before I carpet-bomb the character pages with it, is there something y'all'ld like added or changed?
could you perhaps change the abbreviations in the languages section with flags?The respective input field of the template accepts Wikitext, so if you type in the corresponding code, you can have images appear as well. For example, I just changed the languages field's setting on my profile (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2) to
| languages = DE, EN, FR, [[File:Example.jpg|30px|link=File:Example.jpg|alt=gibberish]](... aaaand the "alt=" part plain doesn't work. :( )OK, seems that Wiki[pm]edia usually have countries' flags put under permissive licenses (often in the Public Domain) and offer 200px PNG versions (that we would have to shrink further, like, to 20x15 or 30x22). All "flat" and rectangular, of course.
- First and foremost, that requires an exhaustive collection of flag images to be retrieved and uploaded to the wiki --> copyright issues. (Not to mention eternal whining if a language is spoken in several nations and each wants to see its own flag shown.)
I agree with Nimpy about the flags!Bomb run done, with flags, and also with making some of the in-table captions into links to appropriate wiki pages.
Also, if these go ahead, should we take out the information in the body of the text that's already covered in the info box?My .02: Doing so is likely to punch holes into the flow of the pre-existing text, so if and when it is done, a proper rewording is likely necessary; hence, I left the text unchanged while just dropping the infoboxes in every which direction. I don't think it's absolutely necessary to deduplicate, though. "Quick look at infobox for raw standard type of information" and "read through the entire text (but probably ignoring the delimited infobox)" are use modes different enough that one's content is unlikely to hamper the other.
Haylo, as you can see, I have a measly one box under my name. Pray tell, how could I go about acquiring more?Not with the wiki (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Stand_Still,_Stay_Silent_Wiki)
Not with the wiki (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Stand_Still,_Stay_Silent_Wiki)Well played sir, well played
It's a forum only thing (http://ssssforum.pcriot.com/index.php?topic=16.msg98#msg98)
Keep posting haikus ...
Quick question while the Minna Sundberg page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Minna_Sundberg) is still an orphan (not liked from anyplace else, short of the list of all pages): I uploaded a scan of the drawing Minna did of herself for the aRTD book, but I'm still hesitating. She seems to be going out of her way to not put even that much onto her own comic websites. D'y'all think we should better have that image removed again?
Quick question while the Minna Sundberg page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Minna_Sundberg) is still an orphan (not liked from anyplace else, short of the list of all pages): I uploaded a scan of the drawing Minna did of herself for the aRTD book, but I'm still hesitating. She seems to be going out of her way to not put even that much onto her own comic websites. D'y'all think we should better have that image removed again?
Despite how happy I am to have finally found a portrait of Minna, I think you should ask her first. By email, maybe, or by any means you want...I'll try by e-mail. Removed the image from the page, but I'm afraid it takes an admin to actually delete it from the wiki ...
I'll try by e-mail. Removed the image from the page, but I'm afraid it takes an admin to actually delete it from the wiki ...
(... same for the "!!!" template, which I created but couldn't get to function as intended ...)
I can delete the !!! template - let me know about the drawing, and I can use my admin magic to banish it into the ether forever.
I do wonder though, where most of the info on that page came from? Minna seems to be rather reluctant to share personal details...
She does let us in on bits of her personal life every now and then on the author's blog (see the recent stuff about banks, or her grandma's unfortunate death earlier on). Either of us can delete the drawing, but let's wait until Minna gives consensus/thinks the wiki was a horrible idea.
Also, some quick things:
- (Pssst, JoB, one of the English flags you uploaded is the United Kingdom's, not Great Britain's!) I'll change the description later - as far as I know GB doesn't even have a flag.
- Do we need an aRTD wikia, too? Because I don't see how aRTD could fit in the SSSS wikia, and there are a few references to it and even a page on the subject. Maybe later (and I'll probably leave the task of creating it to someone else), hmm?
- Is it just me, or did KenoSarawa stop editing the wikia?
I didn't see any edits from them since that comment you left, Nimphy. I hope we didn't scare them off! :-[
Also, I wonder if things such as Minna's page, and aRTD, and other "real-life" things might better belong in their own category, since they're kind of... outside of the fictional world of SSSS? We could call it "meta" or something...
N-nuuu, I didn't want to scare them off! Why can't I be nicer to people :-[ :'(
Yes, and maybe put a warning on top of the page saying that it's not part of the SSSS universe?
I'm sure it's not your fault, Nimphy! D: Sorry if it came off that way!Guys, what's going on? Sorry if I'm a bit late to the party.
I'll get right onto those articles though, since I'm somehow not getting any actual work done today anyway.
Guys, what's going on? Sorry if I'm a bit late to the party.
Nothing important, just a new user was making a lot of edits, some of them quite useless, and I apparently scared him away. Any tips to share about the wiki, or maybe some article you'd like to work on?On the wiki...I didn't even know we had a wiki! Oh. Whelp, time to go check that out!\
On the wiki...I didn't even know we had a wiki! Oh. Whelp, time to go check that out!\
This thread is called Wiki Discussion and is pinned on top of the board! How could anyone NOT know we have a wiki?heh, heh...I'm rather slow on the uptake...
Nothing important, just a new user was making a lot of edits, some of them quite useless, and I apparently scared him away.
Ay, I've been trying to sign up on the wiki but it ain't sending me the confirmation mail. Suggestions?
Ay, I've been trying to sign up on the wiki but it ain't sending me the confirmation mail. Suggestions?The wiki's running on Wikias servers, I don't consider it likely that they have a long-lasting problem to send out e-mails. Please check your spam folder ... (And it that doesn't turn up anything, we do have both admins reading this thread. ;) )
I can delete the !!! template - let me know about the drawing, and I can use my admin magic to banish it into the ether forever.I'ld say that deleting it now (and reuploading it later, if Minna agrees) might be the better solution - short of that, it might be hard, but not impossible to find on the wiki. Sorry for the hassle.
I do wonder though, where most of the info on that page came from? Minna seems to be rather reluctant to share personal details...As Nimphy said, it's basically me remembering stuff Minna herself told us in the comments (both Disqus/ID and the "author's comment"), the blog, etc.. (And I'm not even reading her on Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook, or DeviantArt.) Which means that that info will remain available to everyone who takes the time to read through those, whether we summarize part of it in the wiki or not ...
Also, some quick things:Oh, bugger. >:( In my defense, the ISO 3166 two-letter code for the nation is "GB" (while the Internet ccTLD is .uk) and Wikipedia does have a page "Flag of Great Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Great_Britain)" showing what I admittedly took for the Union Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom) (but it's actually missing the St. Patrick's Cross part (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Union_Jack_evolution)) ...
- (Pssst, JoB, one of the English flags you uploaded is the United Kingdom's, not Great Britain's!) I'll change the description later - as far as I know GB doesn't even have a flag.
- Do we need an aRTD wikia, too? Because I don't see how aRTD could fit in the SSSS wikiaHeh, coincidence. I created an aRTD page in the SSSS wiki (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/A_Redtail%27s_Dream) today to satisfy the cross-referencing need. 8)
- Is it just me, or did KenoSarawa stop editing the wikia?Looks like it. I had a look at his user pages in the Wikias listed as his "favorite" ones (a list that, as far as I can tell, isn't based on the user in question stating his actual preferences but autogenerated from whatever metrics Wikia collects on someone's activities), he seems to be one for bulk makeovers ...
I need to get your opinions on something, fellow wiki editors!
KenoSarawa made nationality-specific categories for Characters like "Dane" and "Icelander" etc... I personally don't see the reason to further subdivide the pages this way, but I wanted to ask what everyone else thinks before I get rid of those categories.
I need to get your opinions on something, fellow wiki editors!
KenoSarawa made nationality-specific categories for Characters like "Dane" and "Icelander" etc... I personally don't see the reason to further subdivide the pages this way, but I wanted to ask what everyone else thinks before I get rid of those categories.
Heh, you beat me to it, dang it! So what do you think, Solovei? I have mixed opinions on the subject, personally, and as we live in democracies (except for Norwegians, but who cares, their opinion will simply not be asked ;P), let the people vote!
Heh, you beat me to it, dang it! So what do you think, Solovei? I have mixed opinions on the subject, personally, and as we live in democracies (except for Norwegians, but who cares, their opinion will simply not be asked ;P), let the people vote!
Hey!
If you're not alright with that, 2014 needs another referendum. Let 1946 happen for Norway, too.
Hehehe, just kidding, I hope I didn't offend you or anything. Of course we'd love to hear your opinion!
To me, if there's only one page in a given category, then we do not need that category.Actually there are more pages in those categories (I just grabbed Norway for an example, it contains three) and I still think it's more of a burden to lug those dependencies around whenever you edit pages than it'll be worth anytime soon.
Actually there are more pages in those categories (I just grabbed Norway for an example, it contains three) and I still think it's more of a burden to lug those dependencies around whenever you edit pages than it'll be worth anytime soon.
However, let me add some more detail: Before, we had two pages on individual Norwegians (Sigrun and Trond), categorized as "characters" (and maybe "people", I don't quite remember when that got introduced), a page on Norway (categorized as "countries" and "locations") linking to those two Norwegians, and links to the Norway page for all purposes of nation, populace, or language.
Now there's a category "Norwegian", a page "Norwegian (people)" (marked as a stub) in that category, in addition to Sigruns and Tronds pages, and redlinks (e.g., in the infobox of the "Norway" page) to a "Norwegian (language)" page that hasn't been created yet. While all the information about Norway as a whole, including a list of known Norwegians, is still snugly sitting in the rather short "Norway" page. (And chances of the comic providing more information about SSSS Norway anytime soon are rather slim, as the expedition's currently heading out into the Silent World.)
While I'm rambling: I think we have two options here, either we keep the categories trimmed down to what we can memorize and handle manually when we edit and categorize pages, or we lay down a systematic array of categories once and forallthe foreseeable future and have pages auto-assigned to them by way of sophisticated templates (you tell the template "it's a character, he's male and a Norwegian, ..." and the page pops up in categories ranging from "characters" and "SSSS storyverse" to "male Norwegian characters that Minna hasn't gotten killed yet").
(... I probably should've mentioned that the {{Characters}} template KenoSarawa created already includes the [[Category:Characters]] categorization label, so if the template's being used on a page, it doesn't need to be explicitly put into the category anymore.)
"Delete categories" it is.The single-populace-related stub pages ("Dane", "Icelander", "Swede"), too?
The single-populace-related stub pages ("Dane", "Icelander", "Swede"), too?
I'm kind of confused about how templates work... do they designate a given page as, like a character page as opposed to any other kind (e.g. a location page), or does it just pre-load certain sections like an infobox?(How did I miss answering this one so far ... ?)
importArticles({
type: "script", article: "external:dev:MediaWiki:ShowHide/code.js"
});That wiki you linked to, I like that thing it has on the front page that says how many pages there are and when it was started... can we have something like that?The start date will need to be typed in manually (once) IIUC, but the counts are available as "magic codes". Lookie here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2#Technical_Information) and here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Magic_words). ;)
I don't know, there's just... so many cool wiki's out there and I want ours to be one of them :P Then again, there's only so much we can put in. Like, we're kind of at Minna's mercy here.That's the aspect of content, and then there's the same thing with technology. Some of the Wikias have nifty spoiler templates with icon images that scroll open and close and whatnot, but I don't think we have enough JavaScript etc. etc. knowledge assembled on the SSSS wiki (yet?) to be able to maintain such beasts ...
On a different note: I think I'm finally getting somewhere with hidden content, but in order to work for all readers, an admin needs to insert a bit of JavaScript code into places a mere mortal like me cannot touch.... uuuhhhhh ... hold that thought, please. I just removed said code from my personal common.js and the spoiler stuff still works. Maybe the wiki already automatically includes ShowHide and the test spoilers didn't work because I still had some bug in them (or needed to reload thrice or somesuch) ...
Heh, coincidence. I created an aRTD page in the SSSS wiki (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/A_Redtail%27s_Dream) today to satisfy the cross-referencing need. 8)Speaking of which: I have IMHO completed the actual book info today, the last placeholder section title left to fill is "Related Finnish Mythology". I'm having two thoughts on that:
Speaking of which: I have IMHO completed the actual book info today, the last placeholder section title left to fill is "Related Finnish Mythology". I'm having two thoughts on that:... whaddya think?
- Since traditional Finnish mythology might well get referenced from SSSS (Finnish mages!) as well, it might be worthwhile to make that topic a page of its own.
- I know pretty much nothing about that topic beyond what Minna herself (and a handful comments on the comic) taught me, and would likely end up plagiarizing most of it from the book's pertinent section. Maybe it'ld be better if someone with actual knowledge of the topic were to write it ...
For the spoiler info though, I like that you can show/hide it but having a big box like that kind of breaks up the flow of the text and it can be a bit confusing to read...Right now, all the variants of spoiler-hiding we have include a paragraph break (either through a <DIV> or by inserting a wikitable). I'm not sure that it's possible to attach the collapsing feature to anything with a lower profile than that. Will keep looking around and experimenting, though.
Maybe it would be better to make a general page with relevant mythology info and then mention that, like "such and such thing also appears in aRTD"That's what I meant about making it a separate page (on Finnish(?) mythology, not aRTD) ... unless you mean to make several such pages?
Right now, all the variants of spoiler-hiding we have include a paragraph break (either through a <DIV> or by inserting a wikitable). I'm not sure that it's possible to attach the collapsing feature to anything with a lower profile than that. Will keep looking around and experimenting, though.That's what I meant about making it a separate page (on Finnish(?) mythology, not aRTD) ... unless you mean to make several such pages?
I know TV Tropes has it so that the spoiler text is covered in white and you have to mouse-over to see it.Yeah, that requires that you somehow attach your own code to the JS onMouseOver() hook, which might be already in use by Wikias own embellishments - I'm not proficient enough to even check that, I'm afraid. There are other Wikias where spoilers appear as tooltips on mouseover, but that potentially obscures the text (sentence) a within-the-line-of-text spoiler is supposed to appear in.
However, I wonder if we even NEED to implement spoiler text?Maybe not, but note that the templates I didn't flat out copy from elsewhere aren't even called foobar-spoiler-whatever in the first place. ;) On the aRTD page, most of the uses of HiddenText are more about keeping the page to a manageable size until the reader wants to dive into the details of a subsection ...
However, I wonder if we even NEED to implement spoiler text?To address your actual point as well: If the new readers popping up in the comments are any indication, then we can expect the (most novel) readers of the wiki to have binge-read the actual SSSS comic, and likely the (non-Disqus/-IntenseDebate) author's comment below it, but not the DQ/ID comments (how many of those are there? 200 pages x 200 comments = 40,000-ish?) or aRTD. I'ld hence consider wiki information based on only the latter sources as being potentially quite spoiler-ish (and, by extension, an SSSS-wiki page about aRTD as being a good candidate for the most spoilerfest-y ever ;) ).
JoB, I LOVE those little comic page links you made! Do you think you could put your awesome graphics skills to use and make us a custom logo for the Wikia, too?
JoB, I LOVE those little comic page links you made!Dang, and here I came to actually
Do you think you could put your awesome graphics skills to use and make us a custom logo for the Wikia, too?That arrow is just a shape-changed scaled-down version of the original SSSS logo (more precisely, this cropping (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SelburoseSymbol.jpg) thereof). The arrow is actually too small to recognize the selburose design at all, but I wonder how well using it in a recognizable size agrees with our "not officially endorsed by Minna" stance ... ?
As far as I know, only I can upload a wordmark for the wiki. I did make one at a point, but the site didn't accept the format of the image.That's what I was thinking too! I did play around with some possible designs a while ago but never really ended up with anything that I liked, so...
Then again, maybe JoB could use his awesome graphic skillz to make it, then PM the image to me.
The arrow is actually too small to recognize the selburose design at all, but I wonder how well using it in a recognizable size agrees with our "not officially endorsed by Minna" stance ... ?
If JoB (or anyone else I guess) wants to give it a shot, it has to be a .png file that is at most 250px long and 65px wide.Wait, what? Height about four times the width? Not the other way 'round? :o
Wait, what? Height about four times the width? Not the other way 'round? :o
If so, that'ld pretty much sink the design idea I just had (attached). [Ow, the pain from those copypasta artifacts. Not sure I can do noticeably better, though ...]
Yes, you were right. 65 high and 250 long.How about this one, then, always assuming that Minna doesn't get the impression we're stepping on her toes with that ... ?
How about this one, then, always assuming that Minna doesn't get the impression we're stepping on her toes with that ... ?
How about this one, then, always assuming that Minna doesn't get the impression we're stepping on her toes with that ... ?
Oooh, I like it! :)I have a hunch that you'll like it a lot less as soon as you try to drop that largely purple, heavily white-noise-modulated image into a light orange part of the strictly-paletted wiki ... :-X
I have a hunch that you'll like it a lot less as soon as you try to drop that largely purple, heavily white-noise-modulated image into a light orange part of the strictly-paletted wiki ... :-X
I wonder if we could use it somehow? Maybe not as the wordmark as it's far too large but surely somewhere on the front page?Scale it to 1/3 and it's 224x44 ... then threaten copyright holder to refer to the comic as "LPLHRTTG" if she doesn't play along ... :P
So I noticed that we still have a page specifically describing the Dalahasten giant (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Dalah%C3%A4sten_giant) and pretty much narrating the fight against it in the comic. Do we want to keep this?Not to mention giving some rather dubitable information (the train cats hissing? And Agneta not smelling the coffee before they do?).
(And while you're swinging the admin hammer, could you please annihilate the redirections "Template:ARTDPage (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:ARTDPage?redirect=no)" and "Template:ARTDPage/doc (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:ARTDPage/doc?redirect=no)"? I realized too late that a template to link to aRTD comic pages alone wouldn't see enough use to be worth it.)
We might want to clean up a bit among the high-level categories, too. The hierarchy looks a bit counterintuitive (see attachment) ...
(P.S.: Ix-nay on the chment-attay. SMF says "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator." ... ?)
We might want to clean up a bit among the high-level categories, too. The hierarchy looks a bit counterintuitive (see attachment) ...Since we're required to detach ourselves from attachments ...
[+] you can find. Why both "Comic" and "World" ... ?
So, may I upload that wordmark? Is it fine for everyone?I tried again, but I really don't have (or know) the proper tools to tweak the image to the current colors of the wiki style (which, BTW, are #f14800 for the deep orange and #6f017b for the sidebar purple) ... :-[
I tried again, but I really don't have (or know) the proper tools to tweak the image to the current colors of the wiki style (which, BTW, are #f14800 for the deep orange and #6f017b for the sidebar purple) ... :-[
You kow, I could just change the wiki's style to match the wordmark... How do you think I should make it?If you mean "where are the levers", I'm afraid that I have no idea.
PS: I'd be in favour of keeping the Dalahasten giant, but maybe as a mention in the Giants page, instead of having its own, hmm?The "Giants" page does have a mention of the Dalahästen incident - three lines vs. three screenfuls of text. But we do want to avoid straight renarrations of the comic, right ... ?
Go here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:CategoryTree), enter "Content", click allCode: [Select][+]you can find. Why both "Comic" and "World" ... ?
But we do want to avoid straight renarrations of the comic, right ... ?
Oh my gosh, THAT'S how you use that? I've always wondered!Can't say for sure. This tool insinuates that categories should have a hierarchical order, as it tries to display them in a tree. On the other hand, that would imply that there's always at least one category listed as being an uncategorized category (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UncategorizedCategories). (That likely was the case with our "Browse" category, until KenoSarawa made it a subcategory of itself (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Browse?action=history).)
I'll try to clean those up today... In my view, I assumed "Comic" was sort of like our "meta" category, it's thing about the webcomic SSSS as it exists on the internet; The "World" category is a little strange, because, like - how I had originally envisioned it, it would be something to describe things that aren't characters or locations or any other category. Mostly terminology-related things like The Rash and Skalds and Cleansers. I'm not entire sure how it became the top-level category though.Eeeeehh ... I guess I'll better triage the existing categories per their origin right now ...
... and if I were to trace the font and the diamonds and put everything back together, the resulting image would be any color we want, but not have that "old and worn" look anymore ...... as in here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSWiki2.png). :(
... as in here (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSWiki2.png). :(
Uhhh... am I the only one who sees parts of the wiki in German?No, they show up in German occasionally for me too. Not sure why, but it usually goes away.
EDIT: It also won't let me edit anything. Let's just hope it's a temporary thing, I'll see if my non-existent knowledge of how computers work will let me do anything...
No, they show up in German occasionally for me too. Not sure why, but it usually goes away.
Maybe the wiki really likes JoB? ;)Maybe it can sense that this person and his language embodies orderliness and organisational sophistication.
Maybe it can sense that this person and his language embodies orderliness and organisational sophistication.Maybe it's aiming for the effects that some other experts attribute to the German language (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11230870/Paw-print-found-as-search-continues-for-tiger-on-prowl-near-Paris.html). :P
Maybe it's aiming for the effects that some other experts attribute to the German language (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11230870/Paw-print-found-as-search-continues-for-tiger-on-prowl-near-Paris.html). :P
On a more serious note, there's two mechanisms that come to my mind that could cause this:
- I do, of course, see parts of the wiki pages in German as soon as I log in - because I chose German as my interface language in the user settings (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences). You might want to doublecheck yours.
- There's some amount of server-side cacheing going on at Wikia. If, after checking your settings, you run into a partly-German page again, try the "action=purge" trick described here (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:JavaScript_and_CSS_Cheatsheet#Caching_issues) to see whether that (temporarily) fixes it.
Uhh... your [first] link sends me to a page about paws and Paris...About what was back then thought to be a tiger loose near Paris, yes. With this bit of helpful advice:
Tiger expert Gilbert Edelstein, from the Pinder circus, said the best response to coming face-to-face with the stripy beast, thought to weigh around 155 pounds, was to "scream as loud as possible."
"Even better, scream in German. The guttural sounds could scare him away," he told AFP news agency.
It doesn't look too bad, actually. ;)Tried some reliefing and blurring ... how about now? (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSWiki2.png)
Tried some reliefing and blurring ... how about now? (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSWiki2.png)
Apparent Wikia-default categories:List re-comfirmed. FWIW, there's a non-editable "Starter Pages" (http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Wikia showing what a new Wikia's default content is.
Blog posts (*), Browse (*)(**), Forums (*), General wiki templates, Help (*), Help desk (*), Template documentation (*), Templates (*), Watercooler (*).
(*) confirmed by version history; (**) edited
FWIW, there's a non-editable "Starter Pages" (http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) Wikia showing what a new Wikia's default content is.There also is a special Wikia to collect useful templates (http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_Templates) for other Wikias to copy.
I'm binge-reviewing the "article management templates" right now, most of them based on the Ambox template (http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Ambox). Could some admin please copy the pertinent CSS (http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Ambox/code.css) to the SSSS Wikia's Wikia.css (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css)?Binge-dive into that repository done; I copied a bunch to the SSSS wiki, expanded the template-related category tree, and applied the templates on a series of pages. Still a handful bugs to be ironed out, sorry, the cacheing issue slows down my bug/fix/test/repeat cycle considerably ...
... I just notice that that CSS contains a couple explicit color definitions that don't sit well with our site design. Let me revisit that before installing it, please.Done - just one grey background color really needed to be changed (to our alternate standard bgcolor).
Alright, proposal:FWIW, I had a look at a couple other Wikias. The majority of them has one top category for the wiki's actual content below "Browse", and most of those call it "Content". More specific types of content then have subcategories below that.(***) I don't care much whether that's one global "Content" or a triptych of "Comic content"/"Comic meta"/"Real world and fandom", as long as it's clear which one to put a page/topic into.
- Undo the edit on "Browse" so as to restore the Wikia default categories.
- Keep the genuine topical and all template-related categories (those are rather well-defined, even the ones from the "Stub" template).
- Clean up the wannabe Übercategories (Comic, Content, Meta, "Story, Plot Points, Artwork"), replacing them with clearly defined ones (***), then make those subcategories of "Browse".
FWIW, I had a look at a couple other Wikias. The majority of them has one top category for the wiki's actual content below "Browse", and most of those call it "Content". More specific types of content then have subcategories below that.
As of now, our Übercategories are "hierarchized" (is that a word, or do I need to take it out and shoot it?) as follows:
(Browse)
|`-- Content
| |`-- Comic
| | `-- Story, ...
| `-- World
| `-- (the topical categories)
`-- Meta
Whaddy'all think about the following?
(Browse)
`-- Content [of the wiki]
|`-- SSSS [plot, Rash / Illness, ...]
| |`-- (the topical categories)
| `-- Meta [artwork, inspirations, print drives, ...]
`-- Non-SSSS [aRTD, Minna, real-world Nordics, ...]
In case of doubt (e.g., "Languages" and "Flags" cover pre-Rash as well as post-Rash state of affairs, or a page explains something and continues to list nitpicks), prefer "SSSS" over "Non-SSSS" and "Meta", respectively.
I don't really understand the point of the Browse category...It's one of the categories installed by default and the root of the default category tree. I'ld venture a guess that a couple tools Wikia staff uses to maintain and support Wikias might have it hardcoded, and would malfunction if we were to mess with it. Hence my suggestion to merely undo KenoSarawas edit of it.
Whaddy'all think about the following?Amendment:
1. [...] Could some admin please copy the pertinent CSS (http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Ambox/code.css) to the SSSS Wikia's Wikia.css (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css)?. . . . . . .
2. On the same occasion, I stumbled over the (also protected from my grubby fingers) image Wiki.png (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wiki.png). If you'ld like to replace that with an individual logo, I made a version of the Wordmark-to-be's "W" (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSW.png) in the proper size.Replaced with a version that blends into the light yellow/orange background better.
. . . . . . .
Replaced with a version that blends into the light yellow/orange background better.
Also, suggestion (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SW.ico) for an individual favicon (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Favicon).
Sorry, totally meant to do this and forgot![Checks changelogs] "This" = the CSS stuff, right?
It is now done. Hopefully I did it right!
[Checks changelogs] "This" = the CSS stuff, right?
You uploaded the first version (as copied from the Wikia Templates Wiki), so the Amboxes now have a grey background (example (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Ambox)). The latest version of the template's CSS suggestion (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Ambox/code.css) is changed (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template%3AAmbox%2Fcode.css&diff=6219&oldid=6079) to the a-bit-darker-orange background that you can see around the "Template documentation follows" below. So, which one should the boxes use ... ?
(FWIW, the "wikia" logo in the example is the File:Wiki.png (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wiki.png) that I suggest having replaced with this image (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/File:SSSSW.png), but due to the blurred outline, that image should be adapted to the background it's put on.)
... did anyone already happen to see instructions on how we can replace the default icon and description in Wikia's search result lists (http://www.wikia.com/Special:Search?search=lalli&fulltext=Search)?Ah, currently disabled (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Promote). Just our luck, then. ???
Ah, currently disabled (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Promote). Just our luck, then. ???Aw, boo. Although, if I understand correctly, this is so pages from your wiki show up on the main wikia site, yes? I wonder how many people would try to get to it from there. In fact, I wonder if there's any way to find out where most visitors to the wiki are coming from? As in, which site are they on right before this one? I know we don't have a lot of links floating around out there (something we should maybe fix, ie in the disqus comments), but I wonder if people google the name of the comic or get links from the forum or what...
Although, if I understand correctly, this is so pages from your wiki show up on the main wikia site, yes?For varying values of "show up", yes. The aspect that caught my eye was that main image + desc (and not the actual matching page!) are used to represent the wiki in the result lists when you do a keyword search on Wikias main site. According to the instructions, providing images + desc also is your entrance into having the front page, sliders, hubs etc. show your wiki. But it is, of course, unclear how much of all that will remain true once the new version goes live ...
I wonder how many people would try to get to it from there. In fact, I wonder if there's any way to find out where most visitors to the wiki are coming from? As in, which site are they on right before this one? I know we don't have a lot of links floating around out there (something we should maybe fix, ie in the disqus comments), but I wonder if people google the name of the comic or get links from the forum or what...It seems that the Wikia staff is not too hot on helping with that (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:681879), sorry ...
Is there a way to hide redirects from the special:allpages (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages) page? They inflate the index somewhat.If you mean the number of pages that's displayed on the front page, I'm pretty sure redirects aren't counted in that.
If you mean the number of pages that's displayed on the front page, I'm pretty sure redirects aren't counted in that.No, I mean the number of links on the all-pages index. Some are redundant because they are redirects (e.g. there's one link for Dalahasten and one for Dalahästen).
No, I mean the number of links on the all-pages index. Some are redundant because they are redirects (e.g. there's one link for Dalahasten and one for Dalahästen).Ah, right. Sadly there's no way that I know of to hide those, since all pages does mean ALL PAGES. there's some in there that are default ones installed by Wikia. There is a list of JUST redirects, but I don't think there's one for non-redirect pages.
There is a list of JUST redirects, but I don't think there's one for non-redirect pages.I'm afraid that I haven't found a list of non-redirect pages so far, either. Redirects only (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListRedirects), no problemo. :(
Unless JoB can shed some light on this?
Oh, that. It was the only SSSS-themed name I could come up with, but I wanted to make every badge SSSS-themed. I DID ask for more suggestions, but no one ever gave me any! So if you have more suggestions, go ahead!
Hmmmm, I have a bit of a problem there because, as a run-of-the-mill user, Wikia doesn't show me a list of what badges already are in existence ...Found instructions (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Achievements) and a a list of the default badges (http://badges.wikia.com/wiki/Badge_Types#Current_badges), will start pondering it.
Found instructions (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Achievements) and a a list of the default badges (http://badges.wikia.com/wiki/Badge_Types#Current_badges), will start pondering it.... well, can't say that I got flooded with inspiration, or stuck to the existing icon imagery in any way, but here goes ...
and I might have found a method to obviate the "RedirectionToCategory ..." redirects I created, too.Deployed, and it works. These redirects can be deleted.
Seeing that the SSSS Wiki is one of the "darker colored communities", should we (an admin) switch it to "version 3"?First of all, my apologies for the radio silence - I was travelling last week and trying to post on a forum using a tablet is a little difficult. But I am back now! :D Looking forward to the new chapter full of content that we can put into the wiki~
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Global_Navigation_Update
(http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:764753)
Regarding the new nav bar: this is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Ugh!!!I have to say that I have seen worse. Not from people with any hope to hold on to a job title anywhere close to "designer", though. ;)
I do agree that "Version 3" seems the least distracting but I'm not sure if they actually let you CHANGE which one you get [...] I tried looking through all the admin settings to see how to change it but it doesn't show up anywhere :(Yeah, it seems that I misunderstood the (few) replies of Wikia staff in the comments that they're considering handing a bit of control back to the wiki admins as saying that a 1/2/3 switch is there right now. (And the more I read about how Wikia has acted in past instances of "forced changes nobody ever asked for", the likelier it seems to me that that'll never happen ... :( )
Yeah, it seems that I misunderstood the (few) replies of Wikia staff in the comments that they're considering handing a bit of control back to the wiki admins as saying that a 1/2/3 switch is there right now. (And the more I read about how Wikia has acted in past instances of "forced changes nobody ever asked for", the likelier it seems to me that that'll never happen ... :( )
Could we change the colors, at least? Is that an option?Not right now, and possibly never. There are CSS snippets floating around to "fix" the snowbar, but putting them into a wiki's global config is considered a violation of the Wikia terms and conditions.
Not right now, and possibly never. There are CSS snippets floating around to "fix" the snowbar, but putting them into a wiki's global config is considered a violation of the Wikia terms and conditions.*grumbles* I guess it's just something we'll have to live with... (I was about to say "for now" but it's more like "for the rest of our lives")
*grumbles* I guess it's just something we'll have to live with... (I was about to say "for now" but it's more like "for the rest of our lives")Woo hoo! For their next trick, Wikia shall manhandle the entire article layout (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Prototype_for_a_new_article_layout)! Rejoyce, everybody!
Woo hoo! For their next trick, Wikia shall manhandle the entire article layout (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Prototype_for_a_new_article_layout)! Rejoyce, everybody!ohhhhhh my god >_< Whyyyy
Woo hoo! For their next trick, Wikia shall manhandle the entire article layout (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Prototype_for_a_new_article_layout)! Rejoyce, everybody!
I like this one, why do we have to change it?Right now, we don't and even can't. But given their track record with "experimental" updates, it's a fair bet that Wikia will flat out ignore hundreds of comments in protest of the change and shoehorn it into every Wikia wiki as soon as they're done "successfully testing" it.
While I'm posting on the subject, maybe an admin could please mjölnir 87.jpg and Skald.png as well, they've both gotten replaced by edited and differently-named pictures in their "native" articles ...
http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles
21:18, December 26, 2014 Nimphy I (wall | contribs) deleted page File:20140913.upcoming.png (I'll miss this, but it was a Request by our most best contributor, not gonna question it)
Done, Mjolnir'd.Thanks, and have fun with the fresh crate of irony you apparently got for Christmas. ;D
* delete the singular-to-plural ones (Beast, Giant, Skald, Troll),
* delete the first-to-full-name ones (Lalli, Tuuri),
* delete the three "RedirectionToCategory ..." ones (I replaced them with working direct links in the templates),
Any thoughts on whether we should put the IRC information there as well?I'm not using any of the chats, so I don't have much of an idea which subset to put there, not to mention that I'm not sure that there is an established syntax for hyperlinks to IRC servers ...
select location, year, and month from drop-down menus, click the "go" button, and get sent to http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen?month=11&year=2103 (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen?month=11&year=2103) or whatever. It seems that such a feature would need an admin to setup and maintain. Would there be interest in that?
I asked for technical advice (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:797035) on Community Central how to put a web form onto the wiki - namely, select location, year, and month from drop-down menus, click the "go" button, and get sent to http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen?month=11&year=2103 (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen?month=11&year=2103) or whatever. It seems that such a feature would need an admin to setup and maintain. Would there be interest in that?
It's a neat thing for sure, but I'm not sure how would be used on the wiki...? Could you explain it a bit more?a) I just notice that the city parameter isn't part of the URL's input part, so no way to accept that from a selector. >:(
<HTML><BODY><FORM METHOD="GET" ACTION="http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen">
See sunrise/sunset etc. data for Copenhagen in
<SELECT NAME="month">
<OPTION VALUE="01">January</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="02">February</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="03">March</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="04">April</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="05">May</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="06">June</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="07">July</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="08">August</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="09">September</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="10">[turn of year]</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="10">October</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="11" SELECTED>November</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="12">December</OPTION>
</SELECT>
<SELECT NAME="year">
<OPTION VALUE="2013">2013 (years -1/0)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2014">2014 (years 0/1)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2015">2015 (years 1/2)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2016">2016 (years 2/3)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2103" SELECTED>2103 (years 89/90)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2104">2104 (years 90/91)</OPTION>
</SELECT>
<INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" VALUE="go">
</FORM></BODY></HTML>
a) I just notice that the city parameter isn't part of the URL's input part, so no way to accept that from a selector. >:(
b) Right now I don't have access to a web server I could put static HTML on. ??? Can you save the following quick demo in a *.html file and point your browser at it?Code: [Select]<HTML><BODY><FORM METHOD="GET" ACTION="http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/denmark/copenhagen">
See sunrise/sunset etc. data for Copenhagen in
<SELECT NAME="month">
<OPTION VALUE="01">January</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="02">February</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="03">March</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="04">April</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="05">May</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="06">June</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="07">July</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="08">August</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="09">September</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="10">[turn of year]</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="10">October</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="11" SELECTED>November</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="12">December</OPTION>
</SELECT>
<SELECT NAME="year">
<OPTION VALUE="2013">2013 (years -1/0)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2014">2014 (years 0/1)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2015">2015 (years 1/2)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2016">2016 (years 2/3)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2103" SELECTED>2103 (years 89/90)</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="2104">2104 (years 90/91)</OPTION>
</SELECT>
<INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" VALUE="go">
</FORM></BODY></HTML>
I tried to log into the wiki, not remembering whether I have an acoount or not, and something strange happens :Account creation is mostly the forte of the main site, Wikia, so we have no control over it. Your name doesn't show up in the list of contributing users, so I'm not sure what you could do...
- when I use the Login screen (assuming I have an account :D), I'm told that FrogEater is unknown
- when I use the Sign In screen (assuming I don't have an account :-X), I'm told that there already is a FrogEater user.
So ? Should I doubt my own existence ? Do I have an account or not ? Should I just create a new one with a slightly different name? Questions, questions, questions....
I tried to log into the wiki, not remembering whether I have an acoount or not, and something strange happens :Please note that
- when I use the Login screen (assuming I have an account :D), I'm told that FrogEater is unknown
- when I use the Sign In screen (assuming I don't have an account :-X), I'm told that there already is a FrogEater user.
So ? Should I doubt my own existence ? Do I have an account or not ? Should I just create a new one with a slightly different name? Questions, questions, questions....
Um, I mean, what would we use it FOR?Hmmmm, it's a tool to determine how many hours/minutes of sunlight/danger our protagonists may have left in whatever situation they're currently in in the comic. Like, wild analogy, the historical info about Kastrup Fortet (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Kastrup#Kastrup_Fortet) helps us speculate how safe their current position is ... After all, safety being dependent on temps and sunlight (and special effects like having no sun at all during the winter if you're sufficiently far North) is a major plot point ...
I THINK that same thing happened to JoB? Which is why he is JoB2 on the wiki?I tried to register+login as "JoB" and that somehow didn't work - as in, never. (I distinctly remember that it did not tell me that the username was already taken, though.) Like with "Frogeater" above, the look of the "JoB" user's page suggests that it has some form of existence. However, I registered as "JoB2" the same day, never having successfully logged in as "JoB".
Thanks to both of you :) I will create a slightly different username, then.Gone Latin (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:RanaVore), didn'tcha? ;)
There has been a request on the wiki whether we would want to add an article about "Magic" alongside "Mages". In a similar vein, I looked at "Mages" today, pondering how I might insert the facts about magic that we have so far - which mostly are about Lallis dreamworlds, with no info whether these are characteristic of all mages, just Finnish ones, or maybe even specific to Lalli (and Braidy?) alone. Can't say that I have much of an idea yet how to integrate that. Thoughts ... ?
what about a provisional article specifically headed "Speculation about Lalli's dreamworlds" as a sub-article to Mages?It sure is a possibility, but there may be drawbacks:
Plain users cannot delete articles (or rename them short of the old name bIecoming a redirect, cluttering the article list)Does that mean that even the initial author doesn't have any rights on the article?
Does that mean that even the initial author doesn't have any rights on the article?The only "rights" that a wiki like ours recognizes are copyrights. The wiki in and of itself is being put under CC-BY-SA (http://www.wikia.com/Licensing) the moment material gets posted, though it might include material with less permissive copyrights as long as its use is covered by "fair use" provisions (which I claim whenever I post images from aRTD, as Minnas OK to use her art on the wiki was specifically for SSSS).
If this is the case, what about giving this article a 'stable', definitive title (eg 'Magic') and have it begin with a warning in huge bold letters 'This article, as of page 273 of the comic, is only a compilation of a few facts ' ? (the important word here is 'facts')Pretty much everything we wrote up on the wiki is provisional and pending further, even contradictory, info from Minna; and yes, having things stated as "fact" for the storyverse (or obviously deduced from that) is the wiki's guideline, anyway. There are several different technical implementations of working around the uncertainty, though. From "The Rash" and "The Illness" being separate articles (as it hasn't been stated yet that they are indeed identical) to somewhat awkward phrasing to explicitly saying "we don't know yet" to empty sections (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Articles_with_Empty_Sections) to redlinks (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WantedPages) (which indicate that we know that something's a topic that'll merit its own article, if only we had the knowledge to write it) ...
Or, more simply, the whole thing could be delayed until we have a more solid knowledge.
Thank you for all these enlightments. Practically speaking, do you feel I can write some kind of a stub, draft, provisional article... or would it be wiser to wait a little more?I can't really answer that because I don't know what you intend to put into the article (and because I know too well how much bolstering to make an article look decently sized can be done :P ) in the first place. (Speaking of bolstering, I wrote a dedicated article on the Sielulintu (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Sielulintu) in the meantime.)
Well, better to wait some more time, then.... umh ... that's not what I suggested ... ? ??? (Not that you'ld be bound by that in any way.)
Hey guys, remember how we still have a wiki? :DFor whatever reason, the link pointed to
Anyway, quick question - I tried to link Braidy/Reynir's entry to Arni's... and I don't think it worked? It goes to the prologue page but not to the section with his name. I wonder if it's because it has the weird icelandic characters in it?
So if anyone could look into this, that would be great.
For whatever reason, the link pointed to
Prologue Characters#C3.81rni .C3.9E.C3.B3r Reynisson
instead of
Prologue Characters#.C3.81rni .C3.9E.C3.B3r Reynisson
- fixed.
Let me summarize a bunch of news from Wikia's Community Central:
Wikia wants to cater for readers on mobile devices (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Hotsoup.6891/Best_Practices:_Mobile_Friendly_Main_Pages). If you use the Classic Editor to edit a page (in visual mode), you have two (freaking huge) buttons off the right that give you a preview of what the page'll look like on "a mobile device" and "a desktop", respectively. Instructions on how to improve pages for mobile viewing are supposedly accumulating as we speak, the information on how urgently you should follow them apparently remains stuck at "half the page views of Wikia as a whole happen on mobile devices".
Also for the Classic Editor, but in source mode, Wikia released an update (sans announcement) introducing syntax highlighting. Note that the source mode of the Visual Editor remains unchanged.
Remember the "promote" function that was already shut down when we discovered it? There's a planned successor called "Hero Image (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ducksoup/Sprucing_up_your_Main_Page:_Introducing_the_Hero_Image)" in beta now. Don't ask me what it does or how to use it, I seem to be unable to locate word one about those minor details in Ducksoup's quacking. :(
The Visual Editor (in visual mode) got some more tooling (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ducksoup/Visual_Editor_Gets_an_Update), part of that being that it reacts "appropriately" when you start typing Wikitext into it. Today I noticed that, when I typed Wikitext ("{{" to include a template) into an image caption, the editor lets me select the template, and then plain turns unresponsive. ::) Needs some work IMHO ...
Remember that they announced a complete revamp of the pages' layout? Rejoice, it'll come piecemeal (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Layout_Changes:_Breakpoints_and_Typography) and we'll possibly have to fix stuff repeatedly. Yay.
One of those changes that's already out there is new sharing buttons (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gcheung28/New_sharing_options_on_Wikia) (which is what I noticed changed, and prompted me to look at Community Central again). Right now, Wikia is getting a lot of [ahem] feedback on how the placement of old and new buttons is inconsistent and wastes space, and lo, they say they'll have a look at it. So things will likely change again.
In regards to the mobile views, is this something we want to invest time in?"Want to invest time in"? I'm under the impression that "cater to mobile" is the overwhelming driving force behind Wikia coming up with all those mandatory design changes, so we're in on at least part of the ride whether we want to or not ...
Maybe we could throw up a poll or something and see how many people actually use tablets/phones to check the wiki...Wikia has the numbers, and isn't willing to reveal even the total number of page view, visitors etc. of individual wikis, as far as I can tell ...
Could someone who has a better understanding of how radio works amend [the Öresundsbro base] page [...] to include the stuff on radio communication and the switchboards we saw in the comic?... I tried.
... I tried.Same display size here, can't help, sorry.
Upon logging in (which activates my selection of the German language for the "controls"), Wikia showed me an announcement that the updated layout shall be activated for Wikias in German language on 01-Jul, having supposedly been turned on for the English ones a couple weeks ago. Can't say that I noticed any difference, but then again, the announcement says that the new "breakpoints" should not have any effect unless you're viewing the site in a browser pane more than 1500 pixels wide. (My laptop has a 1366x768 display.) Anyone ... ?
... I tried.
Upon logging in (which activates my selection of the German language for the "controls"), Wikia showed me an announcement that the updated layout shall be activated for Wikias in German language on 01-Jul, having supposedly been turned on for the English ones a couple weeks ago. Can't say that I noticed any difference, but then again, the announcement says that the new "breakpoints" should not have any effect unless you're viewing the site in a browser pane more than 1500 pixels wide. (My laptop has a 1366x768 display.) Anyone ... ?
Today I came across hints that Wikia is working on a replacement for infoboxes. (FWIW, it took me quite a while to find the official announcement here (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:841717), and no, the 40-days-old links to "examples" don't work for me, either. >:( ) In the discussion below, there's a nifty trick to have your "desktop" client display the pages like they'ld appear on a "mobile" one: Just append "?useskin=wikiamobile" to the URL.I dared browse Wikias announcements again today (and spent half an evening adding "types" to all our templates (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:DaNASCAT/Template_Types:_A_Smarter_Categorization_System)). They proceeded with those plans, one side effect being that the new "you might want to check these pages" tool "pages without infoboxes (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Insights/pageswithoutinfobox)" essentially lists ALL our pages, as they don't use the "approved" kind of infoboxes.
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(Edit2: OK, lookie here for the visible effect of the infobox makeover: standard Wikia infobox template (http://starter.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_character#Samples) (which our wiki uses essentially unchanged), PortableInfobox version (http://templates.wikia.com/wiki/Template:PortableInfobox_advanced#Example).)
They proceeded with those plans, one side effect being that the new "you might want to check these pages" tool "pages without infoboxes (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Insights/pageswithoutinfobox)" essentially lists ALL our pages, as they don't use the "approved" kind of infoboxes.OK, upon reading into the material, things look a bit better. Assigning our infoboxes the type of "infobox" (and waiting for the next cache run) was enough to take the pages that have them off the "no infobox" list, and it seems that two columns is still the default for the new infoboxes; they're just so fond of the new two-lines layout that all their examples happen to use that. ::)
So, question to y'all before I start with any actual modification there: Whaddya think about the layout changes that appear by default with the new system (in particular, info in two lines instead of two columns)? My understanding so far is that it is possible (though it does require admin rights) to revert at least partially to the original layout ...
I now got a demo of both current and new infoboxes on my profile page (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2). In a nutshell: A bit wider, some changed font/paragraph properties around the image, shaded (blocks of) background instead of frames to mark the tabular layout. Could probably all be addressed if one has admin rights to edit the site CSS.Slight change of plan: Since having just two infoboxes on my profile page already messed up the layout, it now has a list of links to PI drafts (http://sssscomic.wikia.com/wiki/User:JoB2#Portable_Infobox_Templates) instead. In order to make those show the draft version, I'll have to include the documentation into the drafts themselves - which is a good thing, I guess, as the separate "/doc" subpages we're using so far have been deprecated for quite a while.
... so, any opinions on how I should proceed with the makeover?
Have to say, I don't think any major Wikia updates have actually done much good in ages.I started using Wikia when the SSSS Wiki was set up, which was pretty much at the same time this forum was founded; both the "Classic Editor" (with its "visual mode") and the "Visual Editor" were already in existence at that time, so no, I cannot actually remember that. I note that most of the power users (still?) use "source mode" (Wikitext) editing, though.
Remember when they introduced that new editing method? The one that was actually less capable than rich-text that they'd used beforehand with no trouble?
It's much like that.
Two actually used yet-nonportable infobox templates (location and person) still to be dealt with.Done deal(ing), ".../doc" subpages still waiting for
:siv: I admit to knowing next to nothing about what's under the bonnet of these things. Some links are to SSSS pages, but some stuff (like pictures) is loaded directly into the site. There also seem to be some styling bits. How will these fare?... I guess I should add a larger perspective to all this first. The SSSS Wiki has been created on the Wikia platform, nowadays Fandom, a hoster offering free wikis. That happened at roughly the same time this forum was created, and you used to see the same people active on both.
In general, is there something I can help with, to prepare for a more seamless migration?
Closing note: I know that there's currently a bunch of stuff where user input ought to be fixed; namely, split the Table of contents (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Table_of_Contents) into arcs as announced, edit the latest links on the Table of Special Pages (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_Pages) to use the ComicPage template (the different font color being the visible consequence), etc.. Those are not Fandom's doing.I created the links of Special pages from the end of Adv. 1 forward, and really struggled with trying to figure out how to get the link formatting for Adv. 2 in line with the Adv.1 format (having the default url point to sssscomic2) and just gave up in the end. I couldn't find the ComicPage template. Getting links on the page was more important to me than having them look consistent.
(... whereas the now-missing icon after ComicPage links is. That was not yet the case when I made my last post here ...)
I created the links of Special pages from the end of Adv. 1 forward, and really struggled with trying to figure out how to get the link formatting for Adv. 2 in line with the Adv.1 format (having the default url point to sssscomic2) and just gave up in the end. I couldn't find the ComicPage template.... ah, would you look at that. The Special Pages (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:SpecialPages) offered still contain "Uncategorized Templates (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:UncategorizedTemplates)", "Unused Templates (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:UnusedTemplates)", "Wanted Templates (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WantedTemplates)", and a new "Expand Templates (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates)" tool, but not an outright list of templates anymore. Joy.
{{ComicPage|2.345|Best of Sigrun}}should invoke the ComicPage template (https://sssscomic.fandom.com/wiki/Template:ComicPage) and yield a link to adventure 2's page 345 (https://www.sssscomic.com/comic2.php?page=345) with the text "Best of Sigrun".I was using Source Editor, so never got to see prompts or anything pop up.Yep, when using the Source Editor, the only place where something's hopefully going to pop up is your imagination. ;) Though IIRC the Source Editor does highlight the syntax it recognizes with different font colors ...
Will that tell me where to upload images and how to properly cite the image's url, or should I continue leaving that alone?... I have to admit that editing pages complete with adding new images is something that I prefer the Visual Editor for. (Or maybe I should say "preferred", it's been quite a while.) One reason being that the popups are quite helpful for that, because you're actually editing three objects at once (page with text, the file with the actual image, and the description text thereto) while the Source Editor deals with only one at a time; the other being that positioning, resizing etc. an image on a page with text flowing around makes WYSIWYG worthwhile.
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[[Category:Characters]]but the categories are easier to edit with the special clicky-box at the end of the image's info page, rather than starting the full-blown editor.