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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2014, 08:53:13 AM »
Thank you both for your tips! I'll try and record something later to see if I actually understood the point or not (you guys will have to stand me and my recordings for a long time ;)). The thing I'd really love to know is when it's which sound (when it's the "Kuchen" kind of "ch", when the "Kaninchen)", etc...). I'm quite afraid I'll have to learn that by heart, though...
 
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Ak! I can't spell anything! At this point you should probably just assume everything I write is spelled wrong.

And... It's not "-kehn"? Now I am wondering if I've been saying -chen words wrong for the past three years. Kaninchen, Mädchen, Eichhörnchen, Kücken...

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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 08:54:47 AM »
Ak! I can't spell anything! At this point you should probably just assume everything I write is spelled wrong.

And... It's not "-kehn"? Now I am wondering if I've been saying -chen words wrong for the past three years. Kaninchen, Mädchen, Eichhörnchen, Kücken...

I think at some point in the past you said something about Eichhörnchen vs Einhörnchen, now that I remember, what was it?

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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2014, 09:03:21 AM »
This is a really usefull tool on learning how some vowels are built:

http://ipa.group.shef.ac.uk/symbols.php

Just click on the symbols and a video will open.
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2014, 09:05:37 AM »
I think at some point in the past you said something about Eichhörnchen vs Einhörnchen, now that I remember, what was it?

Yup. That was me.

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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2014, 09:07:33 AM »
Yup. That was me.

Yeah... what was it? I don't remember and I didn't quite understand at the time...
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2014, 09:09:22 AM »
And... It's not "-kehn"? Now I am wondering if I've been saying -chen words wrong for the past three years. Kaninchen, Mädchen, Eichhörnchen, Kücken...
I assume you know that Kücken is spelled with "k" and indeed pronounced like "kü - ken", even if it was a "ck". Just amking sure.

This is a really usefull tool on learning how some vowels are built:

http://ipa.group.shef.ac.uk/symbols.php

Just click on the symbols and a video will open.
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2014, 09:17:11 AM »
I assume you know that Kücken is spelled with "k" and indeed pronounced like "kü - ken", even if it was a "ck". Just amking sure.

Um, I'm assuming I do know and when finding words for my list that end in "-chen" I was accidentally going off of how I think they should sound. So I guess I pronounce "-chen" like "-cken".

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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2014, 09:21:01 AM »
fixed it. I used the ftp /ftp command instead of url /url ;)

now it works.

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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2014, 09:39:38 AM »
And I'm also going to complain about that darn "ch" sound in German, which I have no idea how I should pronounce.

I've been a self-taught for Estonian and English, and from all the methods and resources that I've tried I can say (in my personal opinion) that the best way to learn a language pronunciation is watching Disney films :B ... I know it's not a very manly thing to have Frozen or Tangled in your computer, but it really helps you to listen to each word with an excellent pronunciation in a very intuitive context.

Of course you will live in fear of being discovered by your friends, but you will learn very quickly :P
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2014, 09:42:57 AM »
I've been a self-taught for Estonian and English, and from all the methods and resources that I've tried I can say (in my personal opinion) that the best way to learn a language pronunciation is watching Disney films :B ... I know it's not a very manly thing to have Frozen or Tangled in your computer, but it really helps you to listen to each word with an excellent pronunciation in a very intuitive context.

Of course you will live in fear of being discovered by your friends, but you will learn very quickly :P

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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2014, 08:56:52 PM »
ahaha I didn't know there was a 25 languages version of the song xD ... I'm going to listen to it right away!
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2014, 01:10:11 AM »
*Crawls out of North-American language ignorance*

So I have a quick question for people who speak Swedish... I just started learning it (on my own, on the internet, probably not the next way but whatever)

Can someone explain to me when to use den and when to use det? Are they the same, or is one more formal?
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2014, 02:34:13 AM »
*Crawls out of North-American language ignorance*

So I have a quick question for people who speak Swedish... I just started learning it (on my own, on the internet, probably not the next way but whatever)

The site I'm using (something on Memrise) seems to suggest that both "this" and "that" = den/dett (implying also that den is more commonly used). Is this right? It doesn't seem right...

"den" and "det" generally mean "it" as a pronoun, or "the" when they're being used as definite articles before a noun phrase with an adjective (t.ex., "det mörka rummet" = "the dark room").

the most common way to say "this" is "den här" or "det här" (lit. "the here"), depending on whether the object in question is common gender (en) or neutral (ett). likewise "that" is "den där" or "det där". an important thing to remember when you use it is that, if you use a noun after it, you have to use the definite ending for the noun that follows. ("these" and "those" are "de här" and "de där", respectively, though remember that "de" is pronounced "dom"!)

så, till exempel:

:sweden: "den här kursen är långtråkig."
:uk: "this course is boring."

you can also use it without a noun afterwards:

:sweden: "det där är ett foto av min familj."
:uk: "that is a photo of my family."

hope that clears things up!
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Re: Language learning discussion
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2014, 02:45:41 AM »
"den" and "det" generally mean "it" as a pronoun, or "the" when they're being used as definite articles before a noun phrase with an adjective (t.ex., "det mörka rummet" = "the dark room").

the most common way to say "this" is "den här" or "det här" (lit. "the here"), depending on whether the object in question is common gender (en) or neutral (ett). likewise "that" is "den där" or "det där". an important thing to remember when you use it is that you have to use the definite article for the noun that follows (if you use a noun after it). ("these" and "those" are "de här" and "de där", respectively, though remember that "de" is pronounced "dom"!)

så, till exempel:

:sweden: "den här kursen är långtråkig."
:uk: "this course is boring."

you can also use it without a noun afterwards:

:sweden: "det där är ett foto av min familj."
:uk: "that is a photo of my family."

hope that clears things up!
It does! Thank you!
Would är be the indefinite pronoun then, similar to the english a/an?
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2014, 02:49:25 AM »
It does! Thank you!
Would är be the indefinite pronoun then, similar to the english a/an?

nope! the indefinite pronoun is "en" (common gender) or "ett" (neutral gender).

"är" is the present conjugation of "vara" ("to be"). so "jag är" ("i am"), "du är" (you are), "han/hon/den/det är" (he/she/it is—or also "hen är" if you're into their new gender neutral pronoun!), and so on.
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