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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2015, 05:59:03 AM »
It does make you wonder what would happen if you "died" in the dreamworld.  :-\
Would you simply never wake up or would something else happen?
Being attacked in the dream world seems to warrant fierce resistance, so it's probably not simply a matter of being woken up. Something bad will most likely happen.

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2015, 12:35:45 PM »
I'd see it as a matrix-esque moment ? Or he becomes a veggie...
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2015, 12:39:51 PM »
I'd see it as a matrix-esque moment ?
I never watched that movie. What does it mean? Is he sent to the penalty zone?

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2015, 12:46:32 PM »
I never watched that movie. What does it mean? Is he sent to the penalty zone?
I think Ufo meant that if you die in the Mageverse, you die in real life.
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2015, 09:45:10 AM »
...or, at least, your mind is SEVERELY damaged..
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2015, 03:00:48 AM »
It could induce a comatose-like state? The victim would still technically be alive, but would never wake up.
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2015, 07:21:01 AM »
...or, at least, your mind is SEVERELY damaged..
It could induce a comatose-like state? The victim would still technically be alive, but would never wake up.
What exactly the consequences are is pretty much guesswork at this point, but it would be strange if something physical happened to your body located in the real world so it's reasonable that the damage would be mental of some level of severity.

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #112 on: February 28, 2015, 04:12:18 AM »
What exactly the consequences are is pretty much guesswork at this point, but it would be strange if something physical happened to your body located in the real world so it's reasonable that the damage would be mental of some level of severity.

It could easily be the death of your conscious mind - non-physical and still dangerous enough to warrant being careful/fighting back HARD instead of just waiting to "die" and wake up in the real world.  Your body keeps on going on, at least for a time, but there's no one home.
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #113 on: February 28, 2015, 05:24:30 AM »
It could easily be the death of your conscious mind - non-physical and still dangerous enough to warrant being careful/fighting back HARD instead of just waiting to "die" and wake up in the real world.  Your body keeps on going on, at least for a time, but there's no one home.

Reminds me of the three souls thing in Finnish mythology. Maybe it's possible to lose one of them in the dreamworld?
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #114 on: March 01, 2015, 01:00:10 PM »
Reminds me of the three souls thing in Finnish mythology. Maybe it's possible to lose one of them in the dreamworld?
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #115 on: March 01, 2015, 02:33:21 PM »
This makes me think dementor's kiss. Brrhhh let's hope no one dies in the dreamscape!

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2015, 09:00:26 AM »
I had a thought about Lalli's behaviour on page 290 (actually, it more-or-less relates to how Lalli behaves all the time) that people thought made sense, so I'll post it here:
Someone said Lalli hiding under the blanket and staring at Reynir on that page was so catlike as to be unbelievable. It might look like it's a tiny bit strange, but Lalli is not just a poorly socialized individual, he also grew up around cats, who probably were his "colleagues" in a deeper sense than other night scouts were. As a night scout, you are given a chunk of land to patrol, your routes are not likely to overlap with those of other scouts, but cats - those go where they please, and might well keep scouts company. Presumably, there were cats around even when Lalli was younger, given how much people rely on them in that world (and given Lalli is clearly an introvert, he'd prefer their company to most people's). Now, if you spend a lot of time with an animal of another species, behaviour rubs off...I've spent more time interacting with cats than I did with humans between ages 3 and 10, and I do have a lot of cat-like moments even now as an adult. Actually, thinking about this made me realise that I stretch waaay too much in not-terribly-appropriate moments (like conferences, teehee, to which I go a lot, because I am a grad student). I like curling up (my neck doesn't, but somehow I wake up to find myself in cat-posture every day, go figure), look at unfamiliar objects the way Lalli looked at Reynir, and my body language is kind of cat-like in general, I've been told. I don't really think it is, actually, but people keep saying "oh, you're catlike". Sure, whatever.

So, on that page 290, it looks like it still is the day following the night Lalli spent scouting (i.e. day 2 of the trip). Lalli is tired (he's been kinda tired in a lot of panels after that troll hunt). Lalli wants to sleep. It's light outside, so he'll sleep with the bedsheets over his head. But he's also curious about the new dude, so he'll take his peak. To me, it looks so normal for someone poorly socialised who grew up around cats. If someone wakes me up, and I am in a good mood, but don't really want out of bed, I'd probably hide under the sheets and watch them vengefully for a few minutes. Because having little silly rituals like that feels pretty satisfying somehow.

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2015, 04:58:05 AM »

So, on that page 290, it looks like it still is the day following the night Lalli spent scouting (i.e. day 2 of the trip). Lalli is tired (he's been kinda tired in a lot of panels after that troll hunt). Lalli wants to sleep. It's light outside, so he'll sleep with the bedsheets over his head. But he's also curious about the new dude, so he'll take his peak. To me, it looks so normal for someone poorly socialised who grew up around cats.
Interesting analysis, Vixy.
The day following his night shift was the one where they canvassed (and torched) the community centre, and Lalli's had at least one sleep since then.  I'm not sure what day this is anymore, because there's been the business with Mikkel doing laundry, the broken pot, getting a hold of the Quartet back at Øresund, getting a hold of Ása, having her organise the drop.... not really likely to be much earlier than Day 5 I reckon.  Lalli may even be past the jet-lag the disrupted sleep would have entailed, bouncing back quickly as young people do.
But, back to the behaviour.  I can see the circling,  but would he not sit ON TOP of the bunks taking as much room as his skinny frame would allow, just subtly telling Reynir that this is all taken?
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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2015, 05:50:35 PM »
Interesting analysis, Vixy.
The day following his night shift was the one where they canvassed (and torched) the community centre, and Lalli's had at least one sleep since then.  I'm not sure what day this is anymore, because there's been the business with Mikkel doing laundry, the broken pot, getting a hold of the Quartet back at Øresund, getting a hold of Ása, having her organise the drop.... not really likely to be much earlier than Day 5 I reckon.  Lalli may even be past the jet-lag the disrupted sleep would have entailed, bouncing back quickly as young people do.
But, back to the behaviour.  I can see the circling,  but would he not sit ON TOP of the bunks taking as much room as his skinny frame would allow, just subtly telling Reynir that this is all taken?

Thanks. Thing is...if several days have passed, how on earth did these guys not notice that they don't have any food? Was there some food besides the crates and Mikkel's cookies? Before going in to check on the crates Mikkel tried to prepare something only to notice that Tuuri's pot has holes in it - how come they didn't notice that earlier as well? That makes me a bit confused.
About the behaviour - well, it depends. If a cat's being territorial, they'd demonstrate that the territory's theirs (usually quite aggressively, actually), but most cats I've met kind of want to sit in a secure spot and watch intruders if intruders don't present a threat. They'd only be territorial to some other cats, and Reynir isn't a cat? :P
Also, that's where the analogy between Lalli and cats ends, I think...behaviour cat-like, motives human. Lalli doesn't really want to keep anyone out of "his" space at all costs because for a bunch of security/hunting/reproductive reasons that cats have, (somewhat obviously). I think Lalli wants to figure Reynir out more than anything. Curiosity, you know (which despite the proverbial killed cat remains a far more human motive for action). All that's catty about Lalli is quirky body language. Which is a lot, but y'know...he's not really a cat...

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Re: Character Development: Lalli
« Reply #119 on: March 29, 2015, 06:18:32 PM »
Which is a lot, but y'know...he's not really a cat...

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