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Title: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on December 04, 2016, 05:37:02 PM
I figure, with the diverse types and sheer number of people on this forum, that we are collectively knowledgeable in just about everything. So, why not put it to good use?

This thread is intended to offer answers to questions about characters, physics, events, historical problems, math, etc., etc., that might come up as questions during your writing of a work of fiction. As Forumites, we can provide answers, especially in subjects where Google fails to deliver.

As this thread (hopefully) grows, I will modify this post with questions that have already been answered, spoilered by category.

Threads devoted to writing:
SSSS Scriptorium (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=193.0)
A Redtail's Dream Scriptorium (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=656.0)
Forum Scriptorium (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=257.0)
Writer's Corner (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=788.0)

If you have resources to contribute, please post stating them...

Spoiler: users and knowledgeable types • show
Spoiler: Ragnarok • show

I have moderate knowledge of medieval and Renaissance-era tactics, gunpowder weaponry, WWII-era history, as well as in-depth knowledge of Roman Republican and early-Imperial history. Plus basic understandings in genetics and biological sciences. For fanon and canon, I know quite a bit about the following franchises: One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, ASoIaF, the Walking Dead (comics only), SSSS fanon (mostly speculative surviving communities in the Alps and Russia), Worm, Mass Effect, Halo, and Fallout.

Spoiler: Lazy8 • show

The resources I have to contribute are expertise in physics in general and astrophysics in particular (Ph.D.), and martial arts (3rd degree black belt TKD, no weapons training though). Watching anime with me can be either hilarious or excruciating, depending on your disposition.

Spoiler: Roisin • show

I can probably help with questions about food and cooking, folklore, wilderness and wilderness craft, wild food and foraging, archery and sword work. And maybe a bit with poetry.

Spoiler: MR_PLINKETT • show

I'm the local survivalist and weapons expert. Need any questions about that kind of stuff and I'm your man.

Spoiler: Luth Nightbreeze • show

As far as fanfic resources go, I have a railway and road map of Denmark and a map of notable sights in Copenhagen from an old book if anybody needs them. (They're pretty high resolution, so you can zoom in on them if you need) Also, a possibly useful article on pagan Finnish mythology/religion. (http://www.taivaannaula.org/notes.pdf)
Spoiler: Maps • show

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Road%20%20Railway%20map_zpss9i693nk.jpeg)  (http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Copenhagen%20Sights%20Map_zpsdefgba8f.jpeg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Copenhagen%20Sights_zpsbbme2ktv.jpeg)

Spoiler: Links to larger versions of the maps • show

The Copenhagen Sights map (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mlkkscxhu61vsa/Copenhagen%20Sights%20Map.jpeg?dl=0)
The Road & Railway map (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mhmh6pq25aqvdil/Road%20%26%20Railway%20map.jpeg?dl=0)




We ask that you consult the already-answered questions beforehand.
Spoiler: answered questions • show
Spoiler: real life • show

Q: Chemical composition of stab-proof vest?
A: Provided by JoB

There is no such thing as a stab- or bullet-proof vest. The material of choice is still Kevlar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar#Armor), because of its main characteristic, "its high tensile strength-to-weight ratio", as Wikipedia puts it. The projectile starts to push the Kevlar into the soft target a.k.a. human body, the Kevlar fibers' tensile strength prevents them from ripping, so Kevlar outside the projectile's path is pulled to press into the target. Net result: The projectile's kinetic energy gets distributed over a much larger area of the body's surface, which (hopefully) prevents the whole mess from puncturing the body.

Q: Does advanced armor exist now (or of the 20 minutes into the future variety) that could stop swords and arrows while being lighter than plate armor?
A: Provided by JoB
The ways for a firearm, or, more precisely, its projectile, to overcome a Kevlar vest are a) smaller caliber / tip and/or higher kinetic energy, and b) - to an extent - coatings that facilitate the projectile's slipping through the mesh of Kevlar fibers. (Don't put too much money on the latter. Oh, and I guess c) explosive charges are officially a viable method, too.) At some point, deflecting such a "brute force" bullet will need so many layers of Kevlar as to make the "vest" fail as clothing, or it just fails to distribute the projectile's energy over enough of an area to make the impact sufficiently harmless.
Swords and arrows are much slower but weigh more than most bullets, so, for them, a Kevlar vest's failure mode is typically the equivalent of b), the projectile slipping through between the Kevlar fibers.
As you can see, in both cases, it's not the primary property of Kevlar, its tensile strength, coming to a limit, but some secondary property. Which makes it debatable whether it's the very material that's the cause of failure, or whether discovering some stuff with (say) 10% more tensile strength per volume/weight would promise to yield a 10% improvement of protection.


Spoiler: SSSS • show

Q: How much ammo did the crew pack?
A: Provided by JoB
Unknown. Their official equipment was already in crates etc. and most of those already loaded into the tank when we first saw it, and apart from the candle crate and the two crates delivered by Túnfiskurinn, we never saw them being opened. There were several large upright cylinders of Emil-glee, supposedly containing flamethrower fuel, but otherwise, no information beyond "well, it did fit into the tank".

Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on December 04, 2016, 06:03:55 PM
So, why not have links to the three Scriptoria, the Writer's Corner, and/or a few others in the first post?
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on December 04, 2016, 07:01:48 PM
So, why not have links to the three Scriptoria, the Writer's Corner, and/or a few others in the first post?

Three? I know of only two...hrrm.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on December 04, 2016, 07:03:22 PM
Three? I know of only two...hrrm.
There's one on the aRTD Board.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on December 04, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
There's one on the aRTD Board.

*dope slaps self*

All linked now.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on December 04, 2016, 07:16:22 PM
Great idea!
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on December 04, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
Random list of questions and resource queries:

I need info on the following things:

Spoiler: long • show

Spoiler: real life research • show

-Differences in steel and iron forging techniques for different types, especially the materials required.
-Definite answers on the efficacy of plate armor (late or early medieval) versus flintlock arquebusiers.
-Difficulty of creating an arquebus using medieval-era tools (assuming you have a supply of gunpowder already.)
-Mongol Horde- general history and tactics.
-Chemical composition of stab-proof vest materials.
-Is there advanced armor now (or of the 20 minutes into the future variety) that could stop swords and arrows, while being lighter than plate?


Spoiler: SSSS questions • show

-How much ammo did the SSSS crew pack?


Spoiler: A Song of Ice and Fire questions • show

-Dothraki culture- how the hell does it work? Do they have forges or blacksmiths of any kind? Where do they get their stuff when they aren't raiding for it?
-Demographics information for the property of an average vassal knight. (Gregor Clegane's land if anyone has canon to back up stuff like that.)

Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on December 04, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Most of that I can't help with, but I can suggest two useful resources.

There are some modern mediaevalist groups whose members have done a lot of research into the history of metalwork, forgecraft and armour. Some of it is quite basic, but a lot of it is serious research, and also provides links to original source material.

The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) has a website well worth exploring, and its members have researched all manner of arts, crafts, skills and history, including a lot about armour and metalwork. Lots of useful articles there.

The New Varangian Guard likewise, with a bit more emphasis on the Nordic and Byzantine aspects.

I can't do links, but both should be easy to find on the internet. We probably have members of both groups among the Minnions.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Lazy8 on December 04, 2016, 08:15:11 PM
Well, I can't answer any of the questions currently up, but the resources I have to contribute are expertise in physics in general and astrophysics in particular (Ph.D.) (I have a major thing for exoplanets so if you want to invent an exotic world for your scifi story I'm probably a good person to talk to), and martial arts (3rd degree black belt TKD, no weapons training though). Watching anime with me can be either hilarious or excruciating, depending on your disposition.

Man, I could've used a thread like this while I was working on Fortitude...
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on December 04, 2016, 08:39:27 PM
I should also have mentioned that I can probably help with questions about food and cooking, folklore, wilderness and wilderness craft, wild food and foraging, archery and sword work. And maybe a bit with poetry.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: JoB on December 06, 2016, 04:53:53 PM
-Chemical composition of stab-proof vest materials.
-Is there advanced armor now (or of the 20 minutes into the future variety) that could stop swords and arrows, while being lighter than plate?
There is no such thing as a stab- or bullet-proof vest. The material of choice is still Kevlar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar#Armor), because of its main characteristic, "its high tensile strength-to-weight ratio", as Wikipedia puts it. The projectile starts to push the Kevlar into the soft target a.k.a. human body, the Kevlar fibers' tensile strength prevents them from ripping, so Kevlar outside the projectile's path is pulled to press into the target. Net result: The projectile's kinetic energy gets distributed over a much larger area of the body's surface, which (hopefully) prevents the whole mess from puncturing the body.

The ways for a firearm, or, more precisely, its projectile, to overcome a Kevlar vest are a) smaller caliber / tip and/or higher kinetic energy, and b) - to an extent - coatings that facilitate the projectile's slipping through the mesh of Kevlar fibers. (Don't put too much money on the latter. Oh, and I guess c) explosive charges are officially a viable method, too.) At some point, deflecting such a "brute force" bullet will need so many layers of Kevlar as to make the "vest" fail as clothing, or it just fails to distribute the projectile's energy over enough of an area to make the impact sufficiently harmless.

Swords and arrows are much slower but weigh more than most bullets, so, for them, a Kevlar vest's failure mode is typically the equivalent of b), the projectile slipping through between the Kevlar fibers.

As you can see, in both cases, it's not the primary property of Kevlar, its tensile strength, coming to a limit, but some secondary property. Which makes it debatable whether it's the very material that's the cause of failure, or whether discovering some stuff with (say) 10% more tensile strength per volume/weight would promise to yield a 10% improvement of protection.

-How much ammo did the SSSS crew pack?
Unknown. Their official equipment was already in crates etc. and most of those already loaded into the tank when we first saw it, and apart from the candle crate and the two crates delivered by Túnfiskurinn, we never saw them being opened. There were several large upright cylinders of Emil-glee, supposedly containing flamethrower fuel, but otherwise, no information beyond "well, it did fit into the tank".
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: MR_PLINKETT on December 06, 2016, 05:50:27 PM
I'm the local survivalist and weapons expert. Need any questions about that kind of stuff and I'm you man.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on December 06, 2016, 11:24:43 PM
Another survivalist? Cool. I know more about blades, bows, snares and the like than I do about guns (though I can use them), so it's good to have someone to supply the gaps in my knowledge.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Athena on December 06, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
As far as fanfic resources go, I have a railway and road map of Denmark and a map of notable sights in Copenhagen from an old book if anybody needs them. (They're pretty high resolution, so you can zoom in on them if you need) Also, a possibly useful article on pagan Finnish mythology/religion. (http://www.taivaannaula.org/notes.pdf)

Spoiler: Maps • show

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Road%20%20Railway%20map_zpss9i693nk.jpeg)  (http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Copenhagen%20Sights%20Map_zpsdefgba8f.jpeg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/epierceabbott/Copenhagen%20Sights_zpsbbme2ktv.jpeg)

Spoiler: Links to larger versions of the maps • show

The Copenhagen Sights map (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mlkkscxhu61vsa/Copenhagen%20Sights%20Map.jpeg?dl=0)
The Road & Railway map (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mhmh6pq25aqvdil/Road%20%26%20Railway%20map.jpeg?dl=0)
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Pupunen on December 07, 2016, 01:26:27 AM
I'm happy to help with questions about the Finnish language.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on December 07, 2016, 03:44:55 PM
Thank you all!

BBCcode seems to be having a tizzy trying to deal with multiple spoilers- attempting to separate one set results in a 'message body is empty' error, so everything is under one huge spoiler now. Sorry.
EDITED AGAIN:
Fixed. Guess a spoiler ending got lost or something.

EDIT:
Would it be impudent to ask if this thread could be stickied so it remains useful and accessible between fanfics?

Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Athena on March 22, 2017, 03:49:40 PM
I recently found this site (http://www.lmi.is/en/stafraen-gogn/kortasjar/), from the National Land Survey of Iceland, with all sorts of maps and stuff, including maps for municipalities/districts. Plus most of it is in english! Might be useful for someone.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Abprallen on March 22, 2017, 04:07:06 PM
I may be able to help a little if anyone has any questions about forensic and csi work, and some of the legal stuff surrounding it.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on March 22, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
Luth, Abprallen: both of those sound really useful.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Lazy8 on May 30, 2017, 07:33:23 AM
You know what's really a pain, is trying to search for information on Thor (the actual mythological figure), and constantly getting back a bucketload of Marvel stuff. I'd just like to know what weapons he's known for using other than Mjölnir - not even special weapons with names, just types of weapons in general. So is anyone here better-versed in Norse mythology than I am?
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on May 30, 2017, 07:44:29 AM
You know what's really a pain, is trying to search for information on Thor (the actual mythological figure), and constantly getting back a bucketload of Marvel stuff. I'd just like to know what weapons he's known for using other than Mjölnir - not even special weapons with names, just types of weapons in general. So is anyone here better-versed in Norse mythology than I am?
Yes and no; I would suggest that you go to Laufey's Tumblr and ask, as she responds with more alacrity there.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on May 30, 2017, 09:29:09 AM
Isn't there some search function you can use for that? I know there is one on Google that lets you do searches while adding a minus sign followed by the stuff you don't want to know about? As, for example, if you want to know about Wales, the country, but don't want to drown in conspiracy sites, you can type in Wales + country -Princess -Diana and get a far more sensible result. So you could enter, say, 'Thor' -Chris -Hemsworth' +folklore + weapons. And hope to get a sensible result. Also, Thor is depicted in the old stories as having a knife and a sword, shield and helmet, and of course lightning.

But ask Laufey, she will likely know more.



Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Lazy8 on May 30, 2017, 09:35:25 AM
Oh yeah, I have been using the -Marvel tag. The problem is that that's giving me stuff like top ten lists of weapons of the Æsir in general, when no, take a hint, I'm looking for information on Thor in particular. (Handy as search engines are, some resources are simply irreplaceable it seems...) And aha, even knowing about the presence of a sword helps! Thanks! Laufey's Tumblr also sounds worth a look; I'll keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on May 30, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
She also has a Saga thread on the forum.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: JoB on May 31, 2017, 01:13:03 PM
Oh yeah, I have been using the -Marvel tag. The problem is that that's giving me stuff like top ten lists of weapons of the Æsir in general, when no, take a hint, I'm looking for information on Thor in particular.
Well, a bit of Wikipedia surfin' suggests that among Thors possessions are the gloves Járngreipr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1rngreipr) (indispensable accessory to be able to use Mjölnir), the belt Megingjörð (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megingj%C3%B6r%C3%B0) (a magic item said to double his bodily strength), and the staff Gríðarvölr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%AD%C3%B0r) (also a magic item).

I'ld hope that those names are sufficiently unique to de-Marvel your next Google spree. ;)
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Róisín on June 01, 2017, 01:56:46 AM
Indeed, I had forgotten the gloves, belt and staff! I suppose they count as weapons.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Ragnarok on February 10, 2018, 12:14:53 PM
Got a question for anyone knowledgeable about ancient military history:

How did formations like pike blocks (a la the Swiss) drill and practice without inflicting losses on themselves or their 'opponents'? I mean, even with a blunt tip a pike would still skewer 'enemy' horses...to say nothing of the damage crossbows or other weapons could inflict. Did they just consider a few people maimed and crippled acceptable losses, or did they drill in other ways?
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: LooNEY_DAC on February 10, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
Got a question for anyone knowledgeable about ancient military history:

How did formations like pike blocks (a la the Swiss) drill and practice without inflicting losses on themselves or their 'opponents'? I mean, even with a blunt tip a pike would still skewer 'enemy' horses...to say nothing of the damage crossbows or other weapons could inflict. Did they just consider a few people maimed and crippled acceptable losses, or did they drill in other ways?
Drill has never been anything other than practicing the movements; AFAIK, no one practiced against an opponent until the introduction of "war games" in the 19th Century. Drill is designed to make performing the movements unconscious/instinctual, as the terror engendered by battle strongly inhibits rational thought. Read Clausewitz' "On War" for more info.
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: Iceea on February 10, 2018, 11:34:23 PM
Got a question for anyone knowledgeable about ancient military history:

How did formations like pike blocks (a la the Swiss) drill and practice without inflicting losses on themselves or their 'opponents'? I mean, even with a blunt tip a pike would still skewer 'enemy' horses...to say nothing of the damage crossbows or other weapons could inflict. Did they just consider a few people maimed and crippled acceptable losses, or did they drill in other ways?

Ragnarok, This is more of an answer to one of your Dec  04 2016 questions. Nova on PBS (hmm, or maybe it was Secrets of the Dead) recently, last fall, did a show on the effectiveness of plate armor vs early firearms. It was a very interesting program. It seems that the pointed pot bellied look of late plate armor was done to help deflect the bullet.

As to military practice, as LooNEY_DAC points out it was not done against opponents. It was done to ingrain the proper responses into the soldiers or sailors brain so they could  function in the heat of battle. I still remember the General Quarters call that happened right after reveille one morning when I was on the ship out at sea. You could almost hear the collective groan from all the berthing spaces, who's dumb idea is it have a drill now!#^%*. The words that followed right after the standard GQ call were "THIS IS NOT A DRILL", put quite a bit more responsiveness into everyone's movements. No big deal, a small trash fire in a storage space. Probably from someone smoking...
But yes you just do what you are trained to do without thinking about it. At one duty station there was an extremely obnoxious alarm on the wall right outside my room. When it went off in the middle of the night I would often wake up as I was pulling my pants on  O_o
Title: Re: Fiction and Fan-fiction Writing Resource Center
Post by: RanVor on November 03, 2021, 03:41:09 PM
So, is this the place to go to when I need help with Japanese translation for my fanfics?