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Title: The Gardening Thread
Post by: viola on April 18, 2016, 10:58:58 PM
This is the all inclusive thread for flora and garden things! Feel free to post pictures, give advice, ask for help, get really excited about strange plants, and anything else that has to do with gardens and plant life!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2016, 12:02:38 AM
Yay! Hooray! Thanks, Viola! This will be fun!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Buteo on April 19, 2016, 12:45:04 AM
Many thanks for starting this topic, Viola!

Can I get some advice on planting potatoes in pots, please? Last year I planted a half dozen in one large pot, very late in the season (I only got them because the nursery was giving them away), and got about a dozen little tiny spuds, the largest of which was about 2 inches/5 cm long. I kept them to plant this year, but I'd like to get larger ones if I can.
The instructions with the nursery potatoes said to plant them 6in/15 cm deep, and keep the soil moist but not soggy; the potatoes should be harvested after the vines had died back. The vines grew quite well, but it got chilly for them before the tubers were fully grown, I think.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2016, 01:36:48 AM
Buteo: you will get better results from your spuds if you plant them early, and at least six inches/ around 15cm deep. The reason for this is that new tubers form above the seed tuber, and if these new tubers are exposed to sunlight they will go green, due to the formation of solanine which binds to the chlorophyll in most Solanaceae, and renders their green parts poisonous. These are still perfectly good for next year's seed, just don't eat them. As the haulm (the green part) grows, keep piling up mulch around it so only the top few inches stick up out of the mulch, and more tubers will form along the stem. Keep the soil moist but not wet. If it's too soggy you will get fungal and bacterial rots.

Feed potatoes with compost and seaweed extract, which will help to prevent many diseases. My Gran used to grow them in a bed piled high with a mix of straw and seaweed, just a bit of soil at the bottom, and she got beautiful clean potatoes.

If you need to grow them in pots, bigger pots are better. Put a few inches of soil at the base, lay the spuds on it, cover with compost, straw and seaweed mixed together. Water them in well and don't water again for a few days. Do you have Gro-bags in America? Basically big garbage-bag sized bags, hessian or heavy plastic with ventilation holes, same mix you use in pots. Or old styrofoam boxes, like the kind used to ship broccoli. All these, like pots, can be put on a sunny porch to give you a few weeks of early start on the growing season. Except in exceptionally hot weather, potatoes like full sun.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Laufey on April 19, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
Oooh I'm liking this thread already! Can't wait for the gardening season to really begin, if it would only stop snowing first. The growing season here is either really short or really long, all depending on how cold resistant plants we're talking about and how harsh the winter is, there's been a few with no snow at all and barely any frost but then there's also really harsh ones...
I want a greenhouse so I can grow my own bananas tomatoes (tomatoes could grow here climate-wise maybe-possibly, but the combination of heavy fruit and strong winds is not the best one).
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on April 19, 2016, 03:30:53 AM
Laufey, I'm afraid the combination of greenhouses and flying rocks isn't a good one either ;D
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Laufey on April 19, 2016, 04:21:43 AM
Laufey, I'm afraid the combination of greenhouses and flying rocks isn't a good one either ;D

Valid point, better put it on the least windy side of the house.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2016, 04:28:01 AM
My greenhouses now are heavy plastic; glass didn't survive the last windstorm and the last housemove. You could also do perspex, or glass with heavy netting.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on April 19, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
Ooh, gardening! At school I can't have a garden, since I have no yard of any sort, but my mom has a garden back home! It's got a number of flowers in it, most notably beebalm and spider flowers. Both of those are really good at attracting butterflies and the occasional hummingbird, so there's always something pretty flying around. We also grow cherry tomatoes and a few types of herbs in pots on the porch. Talking about it now, I want to get home for the summer so I can see the flowers again!

Even though I can't have a garden at school, I do have a plant. I've named him Sonic.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZwtrzkA.jpg)
He does pretty well on the windowsill, though at this point he needs a bigger pot!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Asterales on April 19, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
Apparently my father has taken it upon himself to kill all the plants in my room while I'm absent <.<'
He is the son of gardeners, but honestly, when it comes to things he doesn't want to eat, he is fairly useless. ::) His newest project are mushrooms, apparently. I'm sure he'd appreciate some tips on that. Has anyone ever grown any and can recommend something?

And also, does someone know a scent intensive, old rose variety that could be used as an ingredient in tea mixtures? Mainly for the taste and looks, I admit. I'd especially like to mix it with black tea. I have tried it with the blossoms form the rosebush we already have (also an old variety). That one's scent is sweet but rather faint and so was the taste. Also, it is getting a bit too shady for the poor dear's liking under the walnut and the lilac tree. It's too big to move (and the neighbours could see our sitting place if we did), so I don't want to be mean and rob it of its blossoms on top of that.


I only just noticed! Ana, from your avatar's hair Sonic looks like the perfect plant for you ;D
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
Ana: your little friend looks like an Aloe? Spiky but useful, the gel in the leaves is good to apply to cuts, stings and minor burns. And the flowers are pretty. It will probably even survive living with students if it gets plenty of sun. If you need to repot, why not propagate and get several plants? Use a cactus and succulent potting mix, pull the clump apart, and plant each piece in its own pot. Water them in, though once the roots establish most Aloes like things fairly dry. Most Aloes also like full sun, but the variegated ones like yours are fine in half-shade.

Is it Melissa or Agastache you call Beebalm? Agastache has flowers like a sage, all sorts of colours (the two I have are purple and a sort of pinkish-orange), and a spicy smell. Melissa has a tiny flower like a mint, generally white, and smells like mint and lemons. Both of them make delicious herb teas, and as you say, they attract all kinds of pretties.

Asterales: what sort of mushrooms does your dad plan to grow?
Roses for perfume, tea and the like: try Mr. Lincoln, Papa Meilland, Reine des Violettes, Roseraie de la Haie, Damask rose, or the red Rugosas, which have the bonus of tasty and decorative rosehips.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on April 19, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Róisín: Yes, my plant is an aloe! Not entirely sure what variety, but I chose it in part because of its likelihood to survive the dorm room experience! I have a big window, so it gets a good deal of sun. I was thinking of propagating it once I got home for the summer, actually, so thanks for the advice!

The beebalm I know is Monarda (https://www.google.com/search?q=beebalm&safe=active&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=734&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU0OSrg5vMAhXFrD4KHY4yB3AQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#safe=active&tbm=isch&q=monarda), according to a quick internet search. Though we used to have a big, bushy Agastache, which I called the butterfly bush! Unfortunately, it died about five years back. There are also smaller wild agastache plants which pop up in patches every year and likewise attract lots of insects.

Asterales: My dad once wanted to grow mushrooms, though he never followed through with it. I have no tips, but I look forward to hearing how this adventure plays out!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
Ah, common names! Have I mentioned that I love botanical names for just that reason? Far less confusion! Yes, Monarda didyma and its kin also get called beebalm, though I also know it as False Bergamot or American Horsemint. I grow it for the bees, and for herb tea.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Kiraly on April 19, 2016, 02:18:18 PM
I'm loving this thread already! I don't have much of a green thumb, but I keep trying to learn about growing things. We have a couple of raised beds in our backyard that we share with our neighbors (which, practically speaking, has worked out to "the beds are in our half of the backyard but the neighbors do all of the work/eat most of the vegetables" because my housemates and I are a bit flaky about following through with plans to grow things). It's actually not a bad arrangement, because they'll bring us veggies if they have extra, and last summer I took care of the garden and the chickens while they were on vacation and we ended up with more tomatoes and zucchini than we could eat!

I'm considering another attempt at growing herbs in pots on the back deck this summer, because the ones I had a few years ago grew pretty well...I just didn't know when it was okay to harvest them, so they didn't get used well. Anyway, I'll definitely be following this thread with interest and may beg advice if I do manage to shake off my laziness and plant something. :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Noodles on April 19, 2016, 06:34:00 PM
This thread is super neat!
For mushrooms, you can get spore kits online or you can fill a thin plastic bag (like bulk bags at the grocery store or newspaper bags) with dampish coffee grounds, cut some slits in one side, get oyster mushrooms from the store and put them (gills-down) over the slits until the spores come out, then leave them somewhere dark and water frequently.

We have a white Rugosa in our backyard, and it is definitely strongly scented (though a biiiiit stabby).
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Piney on April 20, 2016, 12:30:05 AM
Does anyone here know about cacti? I have a little indoor cactus, and I started noticing some some white spots on it last week, and then I check on it today and it's shrunk at least 1/3 of its size. (I don't know if those are related, but maybe it's overwatering?) I'm really worried because I've had it for a year and a half and this has never happened before and I don't want to be a terrible neglectful plant mother and just watch it wither away (>﹏<)

I also just lost a plant last month and my cactus is very dear to me :'(
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Asterales on April 20, 2016, 01:17:59 AM
Sorry, Piney I manage to kill about any cacti I touch :( So no advice form me.

Thank you, Róisín, for all the ideas! I'll ask my father to look out for them. Rugosas are very common here, but I believe they are also classified as invasive species in Germany (especially in the North) and in Denmark too. So maybe better one of the others. I think there are so many of them because their rose hips are commonly used for "Hiffenmark" - a kind of jam that is especially found in "Krapfen (https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=krapfen&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK8Km9upzMAhUirKYKHe-XAk0Q_AUIBygB&biw=1276&bih=714&dpr=1)".

And thank you also for the tips, Noodly! I'll relay them!
Might take a while until I can talk to my father, though. He's usually still at work when I can call home.


Edit: Haha! Managed to get him :) What he is trying to grow is "Judasohr", which is probably Woodear.... Auricularia auricula-judae?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 20, 2016, 07:29:36 AM
Piney: what sort of cactus is it? And did you take a close look at those white spots? Reason I ask is that some cacti and succulents can be attacked by sap-sucking insects, which can cause leaves or pads to collapse. We sometimes get tiny leafhoppers or a thing that looks like a mealybug, or even something like a lerp (we had those on the Mesembryanthemum in the Community Garden this year, and a lot of the leaves were sucked dry and just collapsed in on themselves and withered. If the spots look furry, or like a little patch of foam or bubbles, or waxy and like a very micro turtle shell, take a small probe, say the tip of a pencil or a nailfile, and scrape or lift the surface layer. If there is a tiny bug on the surface, squish it.

The other likely cause is a fungus, from overwatering. This will usually show as a soggy or furry-looking patch, and there is not really a cure other than cutting off and disposing of the infected leaf or pad, and letting the plant recover in a warm, dry, sunny place.

Noodly: I've never tried coffee grounds! Sounds interesting. In this part of the world the usual mix for growing terrestrial fungi (like your ordinary supermarket mushrooms) is a box of aged cowdung or horse manure mixed with compost, sphagnum moss and straw, to which you add the mushroom spawn, then water well and leave in a warm, dim place for a few weeks, keeping the soil warm and molst. I'm trying to grow pine mushrooms on a mix of forest soil and rotting pine needles, to which I have added over-mature pine mushrooms from last years' foraging trips. Might take a few years to do anything. But foraging season starts again in the next few weeks, and I'm looking forward to getting out in the forest with students again!

Asterales: Auricularia auricula-judae, A. polytricha and several other Auricularia species are grown on wood, like oyster mushrooms. You can grow them in a box or bag, on a mix of damp straw and hardwood sawdust, or on a piece of wood. A young friend down in the city grows them by inserting plugs of wood containing spawn into holes drilled in suitable branches (but he has a very live garden where just about anything will grow; this is the guy who had a swarm of bees colonise his outdoor dunny, left them there, and now he and his wife just work around them).

If you want to see what cloud fungus or woodears (Auricularia species) look like, check out most of the scenes in SSSS where there are dead or dying trees or wet indoor wooden beams - they are those ear-shaped or semicircular, hard jelly textured fungi which are growing everywhere on wood. They are a popular food and medicine in the Orient, somewhat known in Europe, not that popular in America, possibly because of the rubbery texture. You can also find pictures in any of Christopher Hobbs's books on edible and medicinal fungi.

I learned to prepare them by cutting them at the base, thoroughly cleaning them, then slicing finely and drying. They can be stored dry and reconstituted in hot water.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Asterales on April 20, 2016, 08:01:24 AM
Asterales: Auricularia auricula-judae, A. polytricha and several other Auricularia species are grown on wood, like oyster mushrooms. You can grow them in a box or bag, on a mix of damp straw and hardwood sawdust, or on a piece of wood. A young friend down in the city grows them by inserting plugs of wood containing spawn into holes drilled in suitable branches (but he has a very live garden where just about anything will grow; this is the guy who had a swarm of bees colonise his outdoor dunny, left them there, and now he and his wife just work around them).

If you want to see what cloud fungus or woodears (Auricularia species) look like, check out most of the scenes in SSSS where there are dead or dying trees or wet indoor wooden beams - they are those ear-shaped or semicircular, hard jelly textured fungi which are growing everywhere on wood. They are a popular food and medicine in the Orient, somewhat known in Europe, not that popular in America, possibly because of the rubbery texture. You can also find pictures in any of Christopher Hobbs's books on edible and medicinal fungi.

I learned to prepare them by cutting them at the base, thoroughly cleaning them, then slicing finely and drying. They can be stored dry and reconstituted in hot water.
I have seen it in real life :D My father found a patch close to the village pool last year, and had it confirmed by an expert, too. Mostly we eat Parasol, because there are loads of them around the horse paddocks. They are very good in tomato soup. We use them instead of minced meat, for which we also dry them. Chanterelles and cauliflower mushroom are also very tasty and okay-ish to find in the region. The champignons seem to have vanished in recent years, though. Either we are always too late or it has something to do with our farmers going overboard with manure! (The meadows seem to consist of mainly dandelion and buttercup :-\)
The straw and sawdust are definitely worth a try. Hmm. We should still have some hardwood sawdust from last winter's firewood making. Do you think wood chips might also work? And how long would one need to wait until being able to tell if the experiment succeeded? As you said, it can be a few years, right?
I think what my father tries at the moment is growing them on a birch branch...
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Laufey on April 20, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
If we're talking about mushrooms I want to share two random stories, although I don't grow them (and never have). Sorry to drag this thread a little OT-ish but here we go:

I once found a stolen bike because the thief had tried to hide it right next to my chanterelle spot. Quite a fancy bike too, the owner was really happy to have it back! Still, it was nerve-wrecking to try to explain how I found the bike and where without letting out the secret of my chanterelle spot (no really, when you know where they grow each year you don't tell anyone)(my grandma knew a great one and she told my mum its whereabouts on her deathbed).

Another time we were camping and in the morning when I woke up I realized that the place we had our tent had suddenly sprouted kehnäsieni (Cortinarius caperatus) everywhere. We had a somewhat unusual but really tasty breakfast that day. :D

About cacti: sometimes when they look as if they're dry it's actually because they're overwatered. The roots rot away and the cacti shrivels up and eventually dies, but because it looks like it's lacking water people often water them to death at this point. :/ You could try carefully digging the "patient" out and check how the roots are doing.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 20, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
We get woodears in the forest here. In a few weeks I shall be out there showing people what to do with them. Laufey, you're so lucky to have chanterelles! I don't tell of my best spots for pine mushrooms either!

And yes, a cactus can die of overwatering, because the roots rot off and it can't take up anything from the soil. All you can do if that happens is to clean up the base and repot it into free-draining soil, and hope it grows new roots.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Piney on April 20, 2016, 09:54:01 AM
Thanks Roisin, Laufey... it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

(http://i.imgur.com/jfwbmBm.jpg)

 
(edit: I couldn't get a good picture of the white spots)

It's not the type I can cut anything off of. I've never handled or repotted it, or any other plant. Do you think my cactus could survive another two weeks until I can get it home? There's not really anything I can do, right? :-\
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 20, 2016, 10:17:31 AM
Piney: does the cactus usually have that much fuzz under the spines? Is that a bit of the 'white spots' atop the soil in the pot, or something else? Have you considered that it might be woolly aphids?

Suggestions: lay out a clean cloth, or a big sheet of paper or cardboard. Use kitchen tongs or similar to try lifting the cactus. If it comes up easily the problem is the roots.

Lay it on the cloth or paper. Inspect the base. Is it rotting? Dead? Eaten away?

Inspect the surface, and try moving some of the white spots with tweezers, a knife tip, or anything else that keeps your fingers safely away from the spikes. If what you find is a tiny bug, with a mass of fluff or foamy stuff around it, squish it. Repeat as needed.

If the base is decayed or eaten, or the roots are gone, cut away the damaged bits with a sharp knife, lay the cactus on its side and let the cut surface dry out. Once back in the soil it will reroot from the healed surface.

Once it is dry, repot in a clean pot into fresh Cactus and Succulent potting mix. Good luck!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Piney on April 20, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
Yes, it's always had the white fuzz, that's just what it looks like. There aren't any spots in the soil, it might just be the lighting in that photo.
Maybe I should've said "patches" instead; there were only a couple, maybe fingernail sized. It's hard to tell under the spikes, and it's shrunk since I noticed them so they're harder to see now.
I just looked at a picture of the cactus from when I got it, and I realize it has actually shrunk a lot over a year and a half. (I also read that they might naturally shrink up during the winter because there's less light, and I already hardly get any light in my room. But that's probably not the problem here.)

(The reason I asked if it would survive another two weeks was because my dad has plants and would be able to help me uproot it/repot it.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 20, 2016, 11:07:07 AM
It should survive if you keep it warm and dry, and try to get it a little sunlight.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Piney on April 20, 2016, 11:23:17 AM
Maybe I worry too much. Thanks for the help, Róisín! ^^
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Buteo on April 20, 2016, 04:54:37 PM
Buteo: you will get better results from your spuds if you plant them early, and at least six inches/ around 15cm deep. The reason for this is that new tubers form above the seed tuber, and if these new tubers are exposed to sunlight they will go green, due to the formation of solanine which binds to the chlorophyll in most Solanaceae, and renders their green parts poisonous. These are still perfectly good for next year's seed, just don't eat them. As the haulm (the green part) grows, keep piling up mulch around it so only the top few inches stick up out of the mulch, and more tubers will form along the stem. Keep the soil moist but not wet. If it's too soggy you will get fungal and bacterial rots.

Feed potatoes with compost and seaweed extract, which will help to prevent many diseases. My Gran used to grow them in a bed piled high with a mix of straw and seaweed, just a bit of soil at the bottom, and she got beautiful clean potatoes.

If you need to grow them in pots, bigger pots are better. Put a few inches of soil at the base, lay the spuds on it, cover with compost, straw and seaweed mixed together. Water them in well and don't water again for a few days. Do you have Gro-bags in America? Basically big garbage-bag sized bags, hessian or heavy plastic with ventilation holes, same mix you use in pots. Or old styrofoam boxes, like the kind used to ship broccoli. All these, like pots, can be put on a sunny porch to give you a few weeks of early start on the growing season. Except in exceptionally hot weather, potatoes like full sun.

Róisín, thank you! This reinforces what I've learned before, and adds useful details.

Yes, pots are a necessity - I have no open soil, just a paved patio. I've been collecting big pots, as large as I can get and still  move them with no help but a hand truck.
I don't have access to straw currently, but compost is relatively inexpensive (if I can get to some sources within the right time frame it's free), and fish emulsion with kelp is sold at my friendly neighborhood nurseries.
I can get Gro-bags - next year I plan to try some, this year I'm mostly having to improvise with whatever comes my way.

An ongoing problem for me, not just with potatoes - how can I tell how moist the soil is, under a surface that may seem quite dry? If digging a finger into the soil as deep as I need to is the answer, then that's what I'll do; but I worry about disturbing roots on newly-started plants before they're stout enough to survive prodding and poking.

Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 20, 2016, 06:22:42 PM
Soil moisture: if you go the high-tech route you can buy a probe - a sort of thick-knitting-needle shaped gadget with sensors that you poke into the soil, but generally your senses will tell you. If it smells swampy it's probably too wet, if the soil feels dry and the leaves are just beginning to droop it needs water.

Also, a sprinkle of rock dust strengthens the plant and helps it tolerate water variation. Most plants need less water in cold weather, because they don't transpire so much.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sunflower on April 21, 2016, 02:55:14 AM

Noodly: I've never tried coffee grounds! Sounds interesting. In this part of the world the usual mix for growing terrestrial fungi (like your ordinary supermarket mushrooms) is a box of aged cowdung or horse manure mixed with compost, sphagnum moss and straw, to which you add the mushroom spawn, then water well and leave in a warm, dim place for a few weeks, keeping the soil warm and molst. I'm trying to grow pine mushrooms on a mix of forest soil and rotting pine needles, to which I have added over-mature pine mushrooms from last years' foraging trips. Might take a few years to do anything. But foraging season starts again in the next few weeks, and I'm looking forward to getting out in the forest with students again!

One advantage of coffee grounds is that Starbucks gives them away -- at least in parts of the U.S.  They're considered good for the "brown" component of compost, but I hadn't thought of them as mushroom medium. 
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on April 21, 2016, 09:09:09 AM
So has anyone here grown lilies from bulb cuttings? We did a demonstration in biology about how plants can grow from even small sections of tissue, and now I have about 20 tiny tiny (smaller than my fingernail) lily bulbs in the refrigerator. We have instructions on how to get them to grow, but I'd greatly appreciate advice if anyone has some.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 21, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Piney: while I was down in Noarlunga today doing other stuff, I took the chance to show the photo of your cactus to my cactus and succulent expert friend, who says the cactus looks as if it needs more light, and that it is probably a Senilicereus, Peruvian Old Man cactus or one of its close relatives, (not to be confused with Selenicereus, the Queen of the Night cactus.) All the things she knows that cause cacti to shrink involve burrowing grubs, sapsucking bugs or root rot (and underwatering as well as overwatering, though I gather that isn't likely to be a problem here). She also said that in general those furry cacti produce more and thicker hair the more sunlight they get, and that they need very little water in winter, if any. They tend to stop growing in the absence of warmth and light.

You might enjoy her gardening and cooking blog: hanasgarden.com.au.

Sunflower: I use coffee grounds in compost (good coffee from the Farmers Market), and spread it about the new seedlings to deter snails. It's good for acid-loving plants like camellias and blueberries.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Helia on May 01, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
I planted three cherry tomatoes (2 reds, 1 yellow) in pots; I have high hopes for them. Really looking forward to the harvest on the balcony :D
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 01, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
Excellent! Put some basil in with them, for the health of the tomato plants and for eating with the tomatoes.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on May 29, 2016, 06:55:43 AM
Excellent! Put some basil in with them, for the health of the tomato plants and for eating with the tomatoes.

Do you have advice for other common (in Europe) garden plants that go well together? It's too late to put such advice to good use this year, but it will definitely come in handy in the future.

In a somewhat related note, I started reading about permaculture and I really like the concept of a garden that is closer to the natural state of ecosystems. With your education and experience in plant-related things, I think you might have heard about it. Any thoughts on it?

Suggested reading on either of this topics is also welcome!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Juniper on May 29, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
Ah yeah basil is nice to grow because it's pretty hardy and really likes to grow fast. Plus it's delicious.

I like growing herbs, when I had my small one bedroom / studio apartments having a small variety of some potted herbs made the place feel more homely, plus the bonus of always having the freshest herbs on hand for cooking.

I'm pretty glad though that this summer I have the luxury of having access to actual gardens again and can actually dig my hands in the dirt :3

Mint has grown in my backyard for as long as I can remember. When I was a kid I would just, hang out by the mint plants and munch on them all the time. Then one day I insisted on taking a few sprigs and drying them out to crush them and use them to make tea. Then last summer my eight year old cousin did the exact same thing of wanting to make tea with the mint growing in his yard which made me super happy because I'd never even told him I did that too when I was a kid so by coincidence he had the same idea as me and at pretty much the same age I did it  :D
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on May 30, 2016, 02:48:57 AM
Neat thread.

My parents are doing a "bale garden" this year i'll try and get some photos from my mom of them, her irises and my lck oaks back home.

Iirc the bales have got two types of basil, some sage, another herb I can't remember, four different kinds of tomatoes, a couple types of squash,peppers and tomatillos.

As for my garden....too damn cold at the barracks to plant anything yet without building a greenhouse (ice on the truck every morning cold) so I think it'll be another year efore I try growig the purple corn i've had sitting in my pack for the last two years.
Title: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Athena on July 04, 2017, 11:56:18 PM
I need a bit of advice and help with my plants;

I have a small lavender plant in my room which has lately been dried out and looking rather unhealthy. It's been getting water every few days, plenty of sun, and a few days ago I repotted it into a larger pot to give its roots a bit bit more room. However, it's conditions haven't changed at all. Does anyone have any advice to revive it? It seemed to be doing quite well before. Perhaps it's the heat lately?

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Title: Re: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 05, 2017, 03:48:44 AM
Luth, is it in direct sunlight magnified through the window? Airconditioning? Either of those may be drying it out despite watering. Also, lavender really doesn't seem to like indoors, except maybe in the dead of winter. Try it out on a sunny porch, or even in the ground.

Are there healthy lavender plants in your neighbourhood? What is different about where they are growing?
Title: Re: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Athena on July 05, 2017, 03:22:30 PM
Luth, is it in direct sunlight magnified through the window? Airconditioning? Either of those may be drying it out despite watering. Also, lavender really doesn't seem to like indoors, except maybe in the dead of winter. Try it out on a sunny porch, or even in the ground.

Are there healthy lavender plants in your neighbourhood? What is different about where they are growing?

I don't have air conditioning in my room, but it was in direct sunlight through the window. That seems likely - it was doing better during the winter inside. I put it out on the porch and gave it a bit more water this morning, hopefully that'll help. Thanks for the advice! :)

And I'm not sure about lavender growing elsewhere in the neighbourhood - I'm not usually very social with my neighbours... ::)
Title: Re: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 06, 2017, 02:50:21 AM
Jhev, succulents succumb to overwatering more often than they do to underwatering, and mould suggests that as a possible cause. Is it summer where you are? Some don't like humid heat. If the root is still intact and not rotted out, clean off the rotted and wilted bits, put it somewhere warm and dry and see if it regrows. I've moved a lot of mine indoors, because the really fleshy ones don't like frost, the ice crystals forming in the leaves shred them like freezing a jelly. It's winter here, and an unusually cold one, so my sedums and aloes are suffering, as are some of the agaves.

**we actually have a gardening thread here in the forum, or we used to, but I haven't been able to find it for awhile**
Title: Re: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Gwenno on July 06, 2017, 03:45:28 AM

**we actually have a gardening thread here in the forum, or we used to, but I haven't been able to find it for awhile**

I've gone ahead and merged the solely gardening related posts ^_^ I feel it's about time this topic got some more love

Also, does anyone have advice on Rosemary care? I'm worried mine may have a fungus or something. The stems have a slight powdery coating and quite a few of the needles have been dying. I think it must be in the early stages of whatever it is, but I had a similar problem with one of my flowers a while ago, and because I left it untreated for too long the whole plant died :(
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 06, 2017, 06:01:46 AM
Gwenno, thank you! I searched through the dormant threads, but could not discover it. I'm afraid my gardening skills are better than my thread-necromancy skills.

Anent your rosemary: where is it growing? Out in the garden or inside? Rosemary is quite tolerant of both heat and cold (that's why you so often find it in Christmas decorations), but, like its relative lavender, it doesn't like humidity or full shade. My rosemary bushes do best in full sun, even in our horribly hot summers, being subject to moulds and other fungal diseases if it gets too cold, dark and wet.

The other thing rosemary likes is good air circulation, that is, having the air moving around its branches, to prevent the buildup of moisture. It also needs very good drainage; having standing water around the roots is certain to make it rot. Rosemary likes a slightly alkaline soil, so if your soil is acidic give it a sprinkle of lime. If the problem seems to be a mould or fungus, I'd say cut off the affected bits and dispose of them by burning or putting them in the rubbish, water it, including the foliage, with one part milk to four parts water (sounds weird but works), and if it is in a pot, move it to somewhere with lots of air and sun. There are commercial fungicides you can use, but many of those also kill the soil biota.

Which rosemary cultivar do you have? My hardiest ones are 'Blue Lagoon' which has large very dark blue flowers, a white-flowered form, the pink-flowered trailing form and 'Silver Laced' with its white-striped leaves and pale blue flowers, all of which are fairly modern cultivars developed within the last few centuries, and another unnamed one which I grew from a cutting of the rosemary hedge along the driveway at Cave House, taken when I lived there about twenty years ago. Those five grow in shallow sandy/gravelly soil, right out in the open, exposed to frost and blazing sun, and they do fine. The one from Cave House is particularly tough, when I came there it was growing as a long hedge along the drive, exposed to all weathers on a very windy hilltop, and had been completely neglected for at least twenty years. The bushes were gnarly and twisted with weather, planted in gravel against an old stone wall, but only a few had died, and the scent and the flowers were amazing - our summer honey was always wonderful there.

I also have the cultivars 'Benenden Blue', which has very fine leaves and bright blue flowers, and 'Gold Laced' which has a pale blue flower and leaves with a gold stripe. Those two can tolerate part shade, one being on the eastern side of my house so it gets only morning sun, the other is under partial summer shade, growing between the jujube tree and the Early Settler peach, both of which are deciduous so it gets winter sun.
Title: Re: Re: General Discussion Thread
Post by: Fauna on July 06, 2017, 07:37:21 AM
I don't have air conditioning in my room, but it was in direct sunlight through the window. That seems likely - it was doing better during the winter inside. I put it out on the porch and gave it a bit more water this morning, hopefully that'll help. Thanks for the advice! :)

And I'm not sure about lavender growing elsewhere in the neighbourhood - I'm not usually very social with my neighbours... ::)

What soil are you using for the lavender? They like somewhat sandy soils to push their roots through properly. Adding some sand to planting soil (or gently fertilizing cacti soil) would be good for it. Putting it in a pot of regular store-bought flower soil, probably not so much.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fauna on July 06, 2017, 07:49:00 AM
I've been thinking of growing cover crops in my potted plants to keep them from drying out too horribly. The soil is exposed in the sun on my windowsill so they dry up faster than I want them to.

Have anyone ever tried? I'm thinking that some low herb like ground thyme could work but IDK.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 06, 2017, 08:47:47 AM
I've been thinking of growing cover crops in my potted plants to keep them from drying out too horribly. The soil is exposed in the sun on my windowsill so they dry up faster than I want them to.

Have anyone ever tried? I'm thinking that some low herb like ground thyme could work but IDK.

An alternative to this is mulching - cover the soil with something like dead leaves or pieces of bark or some other natural material that doesn't decompose too fast. The advantage is it's instant and guaranteed to work. I do this for the plants I keep on my very sunny balcony.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fauna on July 06, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
An alternative to this is mulching - cover the soil with something like dead leaves or pieces of bark or some other natural material that doesn't decompose too fast. The advantage is it's instant and guaranteed to work. I do this for the plants I keep on my very sunny balcony.
Does it work indoors? I thought about it before, but ruled it out since there aren't any bugs or worms in the pots that could actually help decomposition. I'm a bit worried it will just start to smell and attract insects.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 06, 2017, 10:38:08 AM
Does it work indoors? I thought about it before, but ruled it out since there aren't any bugs or worms in the pots that could actually help decomposition. I'm a bit worried it will just start to smell and attract insects.

Well, you can give it a try and see for yourself what happens. If anything bad happens, just remove the covering.

I don't intentionally mulch indoor pots, but I do put dead leaves back in pots where they originated, so ... it's kinda the same? It doesn't smell. Not sure about attracting insects - I sometimes see very small, harmless insects in my room (makes sense since I keep my window/balcony door open 24/7 during warm months and I have plants on the balcony). I don't worry about those. The only cause of alarm would be actual pests (like ants or cockroaches) but I've never had them.

I should say I'm no skilled gardener or anything - I've just liked to grow plants since I was a kid and I experiment with everything and learn as I go. I may be unaware of potential problems with this, but so far I haven't had any.

Edit: the one possible problem I see is mould appearing on the ground if you water too much. If you do this, remember to water your plants a bit less.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 06, 2017, 11:05:18 AM
Sc0ut is right about the mulch. For succulents or other plants that like dryish soil, you could also use a pebble mulch, which has the advantage of looking decorative, if the plant is in an area where people may be bothered by the sight of anything so rustic as mulch. Or you could combine both methods, and plant something small and spreading among the mulch or pebbles, which I think is the best solution. Try thymes or camomile for sunny areas (camomile also helps protect plants from fungal infections), or one of the low spreading verbenas, pennyroyal or one of the tiny low-growing mints if your potplant  is one that needs frequent water. One of my favourite groundcovers for pots is Creeping Toadflax, otherwise called Ivy-leaved Toadflax (Cymbalia muralis), with its tiny purple snapdragon flowers and edible leaves. It is not only edible and pretty, it's good for the plants, retaining water in the soil and exuding chemicals that stimulate healthy growth in other plants - a common nickname for it is the 'Plant Doctor'.

Keep your mulch a little bit away from the stems of your potplants so nothing rots or is abraded.
Title: Re: Gardening Thread
Post by: Athena on July 07, 2017, 07:52:56 PM
What soil are you using for the lavender? They like somewhat sandy soils to push their roots through properly. Adding some sand to planting soil (or gently fertilizing cacti soil) would be good for it. Putting it in a pot of regular store-bought flower soil, probably not so much.

Yeah, I just used potting soil. Thanks for the tip! I added some sand to it's soil yesterday morning, I'll keep an eye on how it goes.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 08, 2017, 01:48:44 PM
Sigh. We have strawberries on our balcony and have been away for two weeks. There are two large pots with 20 litre water reservoirs below them that usually are enough for one week. I had arranged for my mother to water them last weekend but forgot to stress that she had to fill them up and only mentioned in passing that they were reservoir/"self-watering" pots, so she only filled them a little since the plants seemed happy. This is what met me and I'm a angry with myself.

I will feel better after dinner.


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Some of the strawberries were sweet, most were sour. And at least a few of the plants will survive but but they were so healthy when I left and would still have been had I left clearer instructions :-\
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 08, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Eh, you'll know for next time! Trim off the dead leaves, water and mulch them, give them a feed of weak fertiliser (seaweed fertilisers like Seasol are good) and they should resprout from the roots. Strawberries are tougher than they look.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Gwenno on July 08, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Gwenno, thank you! I searched through the dormant threads, but could not discover it. I'm afraid my gardening skills are better than my thread-necromancy skills.

Anent your rosemary: where is it growing? Out in the garden or inside? Rosemary is quite tolerant of both heat and cold (that's why you so often find it in Christmas decorations), but, like its relative lavender, it doesn't like humidity or full shade. My rosemary bushes do best in full sun, even in our horribly hot summers, being subject to moulds and other fungal diseases if it gets too cold, dark and wet.

The other thing rosemary likes is good air circulation, that is, having the air moving around its branches, to prevent the buildup of moisture. It also needs very good drainage; having standing water around the roots is certain to make it rot. Rosemary likes a slightly alkaline soil, so if your soil is acidic give it a sprinkle of lime. If the problem seems to be a mould or fungus, I'd say cut off the affected bits and dispose of them by burning or putting them in the rubbish, water it, including the foliage, with one part milk to four parts water (sounds weird but works), and if it is in a pot, move it to somewhere with lots of air and sun. There are commercial fungicides you can use, but many of those also kill the soil biota.

Which rosemary cultivar do you have? My hardiest ones are 'Blue Lagoon' which has large very dark blue flowers, a white-flowered form, the pink-flowered trailing form and 'Silver Laced' with its white-striped leaves and pale blue flowers, all of which are fairly modern cultivars developed within the last few centuries, and another unnamed one which I grew from a cutting of the rosemary hedge along the driveway at Cave House, taken when I lived there about twenty years ago. Those five grow in shallow sandy/gravelly soil, right out in the open, exposed to frost and blazing sun, and they do fine. The one from Cave House is particularly tough, when I came there it was growing as a long hedge along the drive, exposed to all weathers on a very windy hilltop, and had been completely neglected for at least twenty years. The bushes were gnarly and twisted with weather, planted in gravel against an old stone wall, but only a few had died, and the scent and the flowers were amazing - our summer honey was always wonderful there.

I also have the cultivars 'Benenden Blue', which has very fine leaves and bright blue flowers, and 'Gold Laced' which has a pale blue flower and leaves with a gold stripe. Those two can tolerate part shade, one being on the eastern side of my house so it gets only morning sun, the other is under partial summer shade, growing between the jujube tree and the Early Settler peach, both of which are deciduous so it gets winter sun.

Thanks for the advice Róisín. Hmmmm, I think the problem is probably the humidity from what you've explained. Japan is very humid during the rainy season and that was around the time the problems started appearing. I've moved it outside. It will get less sun there (the outside area that counts as part of my flat gets little more than an hour or two of direct sunlight each day), but there will be more of a breeze at least. I've also been diligently cutting off and disposing of the affected parts of the plant, so hopefully, that will be enough to help. As for what kind of rosemary it is, I'm not sure. The label merely said "rosemary" as far as I can remember, although I may have missed something because it was all in Japanese. Thanks again and I'll update you on its fate!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 09, 2017, 01:28:10 AM
Thank you Róisín!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on March 25, 2018, 05:07:49 AM
I'd like some advice on mildly poisonous plants. As I grew up, I learned that a few of the plants that grow locally, either wild or in gardens, can be poisonous, such as autumn crocus (colchicum) or rhododendron. But now, reading more about gardening and foraging, I am learning many more relatively common garden flowers are toxic, like iris, lily of the valley and azaleas. This is mildly discouraging especially from an urban gardener perspective - for instance, I got hold of some iris rhizomes yesterday and was planning to plant them around my building but I won't do it if I risk harming the children who live here. My question is - does anyone know cases of people (or pets) poisoned by common plants? How easy/common is it really for this to happen? Do you always check if a new plant is toxic before growing it? I know I will from now on, but I have been told I'm a bit overcautious with other things so... just wondering what other people do, and what the risks really are, I guess.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: JoB on March 25, 2018, 09:29:47 AM
How easy/common is it really for this to happen? Do you always check if a new plant is toxic before growing it?
Not a gardener, but:

Unsurprisingly, there are no plants that like getting eaten, so their majority is somewhere on the poison scale (from OH GOD RUN down to mere bitterns). Plants that are downright dangerous will usually come with explicit warnings - in the shop, in gardening books, in an Internet search, as long as you do a bit of checking for that aspect. (Same for invasiveness, BTW.) Note, however, that the sets of plants poisonous to humans/cats/dogs/... differ somewhat - which is why there are explicit "plants safe for your pet" lists as well.

[random example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#Toxicity_to_animals)]
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 25, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
JoB is right, you need specific lists for the animals you are worried about. Some animals have both sensitivities and tolerances very different to those of humans. The amount of spinach in a serving suitable for a human would severely damage a sheep; goats, geese and donkeys can tolerate doses of opium poppies that might kill a human, and we all know about dogs and onions or chocolate. Many dogs or cats which are raised indoors simply don't know about plants, and will eat anything. A friend's cat poisoned itself by gnawing on a Spathiphyllum (Peace Lily) grown as an indoor plant.

Knowing a bit of basic botany helps, even just enough to determine the family to which a plant belongs. For example, there are only a few poisonous plants in the Rosaceae, the Rose family, and those few are all easily identified, whereas with the Solanaceae (the tomato and tobacco family) you need to be very sure of your identification, because the family includes both edible and poisonous plants, plus some plants such as potatoes where some parts are edible (the tubers) and other parts can be poisonous ( the sweet and attractive fruits of potatoes and any green part). The Liliaceae family also needs caution - while some members such as onion, garlic and shallots are harmless, the bulbs of these may be confused with daffodils, jonquils, snowdrops and amaryllis which are very poisonous indeed. As a general rule, don't plant ornamental bulbs among your root vegetables.

The Euphorbiaceae (spurge family) produce a milky latex which can be an irritant poison and a local allergen both for humans and animals. Not all of this family are poisonous, but it's sensible to be careful around anything with milky sap until you know what it is. Speaking of allergens, many pets, like humans, have plant allergies, mostly skin reactions and hay fever, to plants including tradescantia and a number of grasses. The buttercup family (Ranunculaceae) also contains a number of garden ornamentals which are very poisonous, including larkspur, aconite and the hellebores.

 And yeah, I do check each new unfamiliar plant, even though I am an old and experienced gardener, because I am a cautious person. That said, your Irises are unlikely to be a problem. Hopefully the local kids are unlikely to dig up the rhizomes and munch on them. They are woody and taste vile, and you need rather a lot to poison someone, unlike, say, oleander, daffodil bulbs, aconite or castor oil plant. I know someone who as a small child was poisoned by playing with castor beans and then sticking his fingers in his mouth - the seeds are shiny and pretty and his parents had no idea they were dangerous. He was very ill, and as a middle-aged man still has gut problems from the experience. So a degree of caution is warranted. But don't let it spoil your pleasure in gardening! Common sense is usually enough to keep you and yours safe. Basically the same rule I teach my foraging classes: if you don't know for certain sure that it is safe to eat, don't put it in your mouth!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on March 25, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Not a gardener, but:

Unsurprisingly, there are no plants that like getting eaten, so their majority is somewhere on the poison scale (from OH GOD RUN down to mere bitterns). Plants that are downright dangerous will usually come with explicit warnings - in the shop, in gardening books, in an Internet search, as long as you do a bit of checking for that aspect. (Same for invasiveness, BTW.) Note, however, that the sets of plants poisonous to humans/cats/dogs/... differ somewhat - which is why there are explicit "plants safe for your pet" lists as well.

[random example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#Toxicity_to_animals)]

May surprise you that there are plants that like to get eaten - or at least parts of them. See this (http://jeb.biologists.org/content/216/19/v.2).

Simple bitterness is not poisoning, I am talking about effects that endanger one's health. Also for this specific question I don't consider poisonous those plants that harm you only when eaten in excessive amounts. I am talking about those where even small quantities are harmful. And guess what, these do not actually come with warnings in shops (at least where I'm from). Which is why I seek my information elsewhere, including here.

And yes, I have had pets and am well aware they tolerate different things according to species. Sorry, but is there really a point to your answer other than being incredibly pedantic?

Róisín: Thank you for the detailed answer! Of course I'm not going to eat random plants myself. Or stop gardening ;) I am just looking to avoid causing serious trouble for children and outdoor pets. I will continue to check each new plant I grow, following your example. As for the iris specifically, all sources I found say the leaves are also toxic, not just the rhizome. But it is reassuring to know that small quantities are not dangerous.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on March 25, 2018, 05:12:30 PM
And yes, I have had pets and am well aware they tolerate different things according to species. Sorry, but is there really a point to your answer other than being incredibly pedantic?

I think that's a little harsh. There are lots of people who have no idea that plants can be poisonous to some mammals and not to others. How is JoB to know what you already know and what you don't?

I've met people who had no idea that there are poisonous plants at all. They weren't stupid; they were just city people who'd never eaten anything they hadn't bought at the store, or grown anything at all. There are undoubtedly things they thought of as basic knowledge about which I haven't even enough of a clue to know which questions to start asking.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on March 25, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
My question is - does anyone know cases of people (or pets) poisoned by common plants? How easy/common is it really for this to happen? Do you always check if a new plant is toxic before growing it? I know I will from now on, but I have been told I'm a bit overcautious with other things so... just wondering what other people do, and what the risks really are, I guess.

I'd say that some degree of caution is warranted. Many dogs I know have a habit of eating greenery: the dogs I had as a kid loved apples from the crabapple tree and plain old grass, respectively. And little kids will put anything in their mouths. That being said, most parents and pet owners are responsible enough to make their kids/pets spit out any mystery mouthfuls when they do try to eat it. Poisonings from plants where you need more than a few leaves/berries/etc. to feel the effects are pretty rare, as far as I can tell. If I were you, I'd only worry about avoiding the really toxic plants.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on March 25, 2018, 06:07:38 PM
I think that's a little harsh. There are lots of people who have no idea that plants can be poisonous to some mammals and not to others. How is JoB to know what you already know and what you don't?

I've met people who had no idea that there are poisonous plants at all. They weren't stupid; they were just city people who'd never eaten anything they hadn't bought at the store, or grown anything at all. There are undoubtedly things they thought of as basic knowledge about which I haven't even enough of a clue to know which questions to start asking.

Sure, there are people like that, and if this were a question in the General thread, maybe his response was warranted. But we are in the gardening thread now. In my comment, I explicitly said that I know some plants are toxic to people and animals, and that I am actively looking up information on them; implicitly, it's obvious I do gardening myself (as a hobbyist). And that is just information you can glean from that one comment, assuming nobody remembers me repeatedly talking about gardening in several threads in this forum over the years.

I dunno, maybe it was harsh, but I don't go to, say, the archery thread (a topic I know nothing about) and start listing basic facts when someone asks a question I can't answer. Additionally, some things JoB said are actually not true - poisonous plants are not sold with warnings in shops here, for instance.
None of these things are a big deal individually, but something about the combination and his slightly patronizing tone made me speak out. It's been a long day for me and that has added to it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 25, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Ana, I think you are right. I certainly don't intend to stop gardening because of some plants being poisonous! And yeah, having raised children, I well know that the little darlings will put *anything* in their mouths. It's something that one needs always to bear in mind.

Thorny, I agree that a lot of people, cityfolk in particular, are totally unaware even of the concept of poisonous plants, and many others have mistaken beliefs about how to determine whether or not something is poisonous: with flowering plants they often believe that things that taste nice are okay, that particular colours or shapes are always safe or unsafe, that cooking always destroys toxins, or that anything you see being eaten by a bird or animal is safe to eat. All of these ideas are utterly wrong.

One of the things I do IRL is teach foraging and wildcrafting, including examining and certifying the skills of those foragers who collect ingredients for wild food and bush-tucker restaurants in my area, so I do my best to keep my knowledge base active and up to date. But there will always be those who are careless or stupid in such matters. With fungi in particular, accurate identification is absolutely crucial, because many of the really deadly ones, such as death caps, are pleasant tasting, as are such things as the berries of potatoes and deadly nightshade (belladonna).

Sc0ut: I think thorny is right that JoB may not know what you do and don't know, and I would add that 'pedant' seems to be what he does, and is in his nature - I don't think he means to be nasty. As a well-meaning information nerd myself, I sometimes get misinterpreted the same way!

Iris leaves can also be poisonous, but people and animals seldom eat them because of the fibrous texture and unpleasant taste; the rhizomes are a little easier to eat because not quite so stringy and tough, though still not something one would eat unless one were a dog or a small child.

Something else I should have mentioned: many botanic gardens and some museums maintain databases of poisonous plants, many of which are accessible to the public. Does your country have a Museum of Economic Botany or equivalent? Might be worth looking online for such, or visiting and asking for information sheets if they have such. I know that the Adelaide and Melbourne Botanic Gardens, as well as the National Botanic Garden in Canberra, do publish such information, which may be of more use to you than you might think, since being Botanic Gardens they have a lot of information on European plants as well as local ones. Many sites dedicated to foraging and wild food also contain such information, especially about poisonous plants similar enough in appearance to edible ones that mistakes may occur.

That link you put up is interesting, thanks! I knew about the role of bird digestion in dispersing and breaking dormancy for some seeds, because it is an issue that sometimes comes up in the groups I belong to which propagate rare food plants. One of the things we work on is how to germinate the seeds of plants of which the bird symbiont is now rare or extinct, or not to be found in our area. Quandong and sandalwood seeds aren't too hard, soaking and exposure to heat will often serve in the stead of the digestive tract of an emu, which is what they use in the wild. Something I am working on at present is the germination of Acrotriche seeds, Acrotriche plants being notoriously difficult to propagate in captivity. I was talking to a very old lady whose grandparents were among the pioneers of the Adelaide Hills about the many healthy and productive Acrotriche plants on her property (they are rare and slow-growing), and she mentioned that they came up spontaneously wherever her dad had dumped the residue from his homebrewing when she was a kid. He brewed a fruit wine from the berries, and something in the fermenting process stimulated germination of the seeds, which normally depend on the digestion of birds and small marsupials such as bandicoots and bilbies. She gave me a couple of kilos of the fruit, which I shared with several interested folk, and we are trying different fermentation methods to see what gives the best results. Sorry to go off at a tangent, but thought this might interest you.

I have a couple of European books with information about poisonous wild and garden plants, I'll try to track down titles and authors.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 10, 2018, 09:50:16 AM
.. would cut-up milk carton serve the same purpose as mulch? I'm trying to protect my potted plants a little bit better this year than last, and I'm not quite sure what to use for mulch.
(https://i.imgur.com/zVZfq4l.jpg)
There's a 20 L water reservoir underneath, and I'm thinking of covering the whole thing in a similar fashion, and hope rainwater will drain to the reservoir along the side of the carton.
Good idea or bad idea?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 10, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Are your milk cartons plastic lined? If they are, bad idea. Plants need air circulation in their soil; not as much as around their leaves, but some. A mulch of straw, plain shredded cardboard or paper, even dead leaves, would work better. Keeping the fruit off the dirt makes it less likely to rot, but still lets air get into the soil. If you can get lucerne hay that is perfect, as it is for roses, because it feeds the plants as it breaks down as well as retaining moisture in the soil.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 10, 2018, 12:16:03 PM
Thank you Róisín! They're not plastic lined but they are waxed, wich would probably also contribute to restricted air circulation. Lucerne hay I don't know if I can get (maybe in pet shops?) but plain shredded cardboard shouldn't be too hard. The closest renovation station sells bark- is that better?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 10, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
Bark is also good, if it's broken up.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 11, 2018, 03:20:06 PM
Thank you! We participate in a community garden where we also have about 20 m2 we can plant. Last year was the very first year for the garden, and involved a lot of picking rocks and roots apart, but a nice wield of sweet peas(I think that's the english name?), radish, 10-cm long but very many-fingered carrots and lots of cornflowers. And, erm, weeds because the seeds and roots were already there and they had got plenty of fertilizer. And so we want to protect the garden just a bit from evaporation and maaybe just a bit less weeds this year. So bark it will be!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on May 11, 2018, 03:50:09 PM
I've read bark is risky as mulch in gardens next to houses, because it can encourage the growth of a particularly nasty mold that can then infect walls. Have you ever heard about that, Róisín (or others)? I'll look up some sources tomorrow if needed. I'm really tired tonight but wanted to ask before I forget.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on May 11, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
Possibly not an issue at all in your area: but find out what species of tree the bark is from; and, if you can't find out, then find out whether black walnut or any other species of concern for this issue is common in the area. Black walnut puts out a chemical called juglone, and some trees might put out other things, that can prevent or discourage the growth of many garden vegetables (though some things don't mind it.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 12, 2018, 03:37:36 PM
Thank you, Sc0ut and Thorny. Not sure what trees the bark is from, as it doesn't say on the information sheet, but I guarantee it's not black walnut, which doesn't grow here. Most likely a mix of the most common trees: fir, pine and birch, with some willow, maple, ash, alder, hazel and rowan thrown in. I'll ask. 
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on June 10, 2018, 06:05:51 AM
I never got around to buying bark, but I've picked some of the woolly burdock that grows in large patches everywhere, and used that instead. Seems to be working pretty well, except on windy days when crumbled leaves fly around.

Then a question about the tomato - when I planted it, I didn't have enough earth to fill the pot completely, and now I don't think I can manage a repotting without breaking something. Will the stem get sad if I load earth - and mulch - on top of what's there?

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on June 10, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
A tomato plant will probably just grow roots along the newly buried stem.

When potting up or transplanting out tomatoes, it's fairly standard to plant them deeper than they were, so that the stem can do that; it gives them more roots to feed themselves with.

Note: this doesn't work with everything. But I wouldn't expect a problem with tomatoes.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on June 10, 2018, 06:06:43 PM
Thank you, Thorny!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 11, 2018, 01:19:55 AM
What thorny said about the tomatoes, that technique of partially burying the base of the stem to allow the formation of more feeder roots also works well for sweet corn, and if you do it for potatoes it allows the formation of lots more potatoes all along the buried part of the stem. You just need to make sure all the extra potatoes are well shielded from the light, since potato tubers are actually a modified food-storage organ developed from a stem, and like the stems and leaves of any solanaceous plant, they develope chlorophyll in any parts exposed to sunlight. The chlorophyll in itself is not a problem - indeed chlorophyll is actually good for you. But in the Solanaceae (the family which includes potatoes, tobacco, tomatoes, eggplant, henbane and belladonna) the chlorophyll is chemically linked to a group of poisonous alkaloids, mostly solanine, atropine, hyoscyamine, mandragorine and other tropanes. Much safer not to eat the green parts of anything solanaceous. Green-skinned potatoes are not safe to eat, even when peeled.

And Unlos, I am so envious of your wealth of burdock! I can't imagine having enough to be able to use it for mulch. I grow the Japanese burdock variety 'Gobo', both for the edible parsnip-like roots, from which one can also make a nice beer, and for the leaves which make useful food wrap if, for instance, I am carrying a sandwich when I go out for the day I will wrap it in a burdock leaf. I remember my gran using burdock leaves to wrap pats of butter on her pre-refrigeration farm.

The plants I grow for instant mulch are Mullein (Verbascum thapsus) and Vetivert Grass (Vetiveria or Cymbopogon zizanioides), both of which are also pretty plants with uses in medicine, craft and perfumery. But if you have enough burdock leaves they should be fine as mulch!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on June 11, 2018, 02:36:12 AM
Thank you for your in depht answer and further insight into the Solanaceas, Róisín! And I had never thought someone would envy me all the burdock, which is by many here considered a weed, or at least ignored by all but children looking  for a Totoro-like umbrella. Ah, when we have that magical portal I will invite you to a walk along Mærrabekken, for discovering and discussing its secrets and where the ferns grow taller than you!
(Not quite as tall as me but very nearly)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 11, 2018, 07:43:41 AM
 Would love that. Especially when it is high Summer here with temperatures in the forties, I like the thought of a magical portal to a place with ferns, snow and other things I like. Burdock can be a pest with its spiky seeds and easy spreading in climates that suit it, which is not the case here! But if you were to look it up you would find a multitude of traditional uses as a dye, food, brewing, craft and medicinal plant, not to mention as a shelter for a lot of tiny frogs and lizards as it is in my garden. Another reason it would likely make good mulch is that the deep roots bring up mineral nutrients from deep in the soil, as do the roots of Vetivert, Mullein and Comfrey, and as the leaves of all these plants decay the minerals become available to your plants and topsoil.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on June 11, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
And Unlos, I am so envious of your wealth of burdock! I can't imagine having enough to be able to use it for mulch.

Be careful what you wish for!

Enough burdock to use it for mulch is also enough burdock to take over and squeeze out other plants; which you won't have time to prevent it from doing because you're going to be too busy removing burrs from the dog, the cats, and your own clothes and hair.

-- and don't even think about sheep. I know of a woolspinning group called the Burdock Spinners' Guild; but they're not actually in favor of mixing the two.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 11, 2018, 11:16:51 AM
I have been in climates where burdock does that, as in southern England. Where I live now is way too hot, dry and rocky. The small amount of burdock I manage to grow I have to nurture like a delicate exotic vegetable!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Lenny on June 12, 2018, 12:58:23 PM
A year ago I received some small pots, earth, and lots of herb seeds ideal for making tea (chamomile, peppermint, etc.). I planted them back then, but only a few seeds came up and they died quickly.

Since I am a student with a hectic life and someone who forgets stuff easily I just left the pots as-is for a year, and this year they actually started coming up and growing! Now I have plants that are actually plants, and not seedlings that die in the baby stage. Some of the chamomile plants are quite large now.

I might possibly have too many. But we'll see who survives in the end :'3 I don't have a green thumb by any means, I'm all too happy I've gotten them to this stage.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 12, 2018, 09:15:27 PM
The nice thing about chamomile is that you can plant out your excess plants in any bit of waste ground to make a chamomile lawn, or tuck them into odd corners between other plants and let them grow into a pretty scented groundcover. Chamomile, like toadflax, is actually good for other plants growing near it, since it gives off oils that prevent a number of moulds and other fungal diseases.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on June 12, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
Róisín, I've heard that yarrow is also good for other plants growing near it. Have you heard that, and/or had experience with it?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 13, 2018, 01:31:37 AM
Yeah, yarrow is good for other plants. And like nettles, comfrey and elder, its leaves make a good addition to compost, speeding up the composting process and adding mineral nutrients. Plus yarrow is a useful medicinal herb, being a styptic and vulnerary as well as a component of herb teas for colds and menstrual problems. I grow it for the bees and hoverflies, and because the flowers are pretty and are a frequent component of the bunches of cottage flowers I sell at the Farmers Market. Allround useful plant, as well as an attractor of beneficial insects.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on June 13, 2018, 05:13:28 AM
Yeah, yarrow is good for other plants. And like nettles, comfrey and elder, its leaves make a good addition to compost, speeding up the composting process and adding mineral nutrients. Plus yarrow is a useful medicinal herb, being a styptic and vulnerary as well as a component of herb teas for colds and menstrual problems. I grow it for the bees and hoverflies, and because the flowers are pretty and are a frequent component of the bunches of cottage flowers I sell at the Farmers Market. Allround useful plant, as well as an attractor of beneficial insects.

I'll never get enough of this kind of comment :)

Speaking of growing "wild" flowers, how does one get around to it? All the things I've planted so far have come from seeds I saved or bought, but I've never seen yarrow seeds being sold. If I wanted to reproduce a plant I see in the wild, will cuttings or roots work for most things, or do I have to get seeds? (I know different plants are different and you can't possibly cover all possibilities, I just want to know what's my best bet.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 13, 2018, 08:14:43 AM
Yarrow grows well from root cuttings, but many nurseries sell the plants, and I know some herb seed companies sell yarrow seeds. But wild-gathered mature yarrow seeds will usually sprout just fine.

Did you know that the botanical name of yarrow Achillea millefolium) comes from Achilles of Trojan War fame, who is supposed to have used it to dress the wounds of his soldiers, and from the Latin words for 'thousand leaf', because of the many tiny leaflets?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on June 13, 2018, 10:08:33 PM
Thanks, Róisín. I knew some of that, but not all of it.

Yarrow does grow wild around here. I keep meaning to dig some up and move it to an herb bed, but I never seem to have time and a bed ready when I notice it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 01, 2018, 05:31:35 AM
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Eee look my tomato has grown into a triphid of unanticipated height (even though I tried to prune the suckers some grew too large while I looked away), with lots and lots of green cherry tomatoes on it! I hope I'll find someone willing to water it when we leave for vacation next week.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 01, 2018, 06:53:06 AM
Cherry tomato plants will often grow into big sprawling vines, bearing many small fruits (one year I was fortunate enough to grow a 'currant tomato', those in particular give a very good yield of small but tasty and extremely nourishing fruits). Generally cherry tomatoes are more resistant to cold and to disease than are the larger fruited types. You are fortunate!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 01, 2018, 10:37:44 AM
I hope I'll find someone willing to water it when we leave for vacation next week.

If you can't, there are various automatic watering devices made; including some amounting to water bottles with slow-release spikes on the end.

You might need quite a batch of them for a tomato plant that size, though, if you're going to be gone very long. Tomatoes, especially bearing stage tomatoes, need quite a bit of water.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 06, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Thank you, Thorny and Róisín (and sorry for taking so long to reply). The plant drinks between 5 to 10 liters per day in the steady heatwave we're having. And we'll be gone for three weeks so it would definitely have died without someone watering it. But, help arrived because my 92 year old neighbour was willing to take it in!! So me and my husband have just carried it down two flights of stairs spilling just one tomato out of more than 50.  :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Kat Sohma on July 08, 2018, 12:37:35 PM
Hey y'all!
My family just moved out to an area where we now have two acres of land. So we now have tons of gardening space.
Weare working on fixing up the house first, and revitalising the garden beds in front of the house.
Already, we have purchased Catnip (my own choice), Spearmint, and Marigold seeds. How should we start these, and when? It's July, but we still have about 3 months of warm temperatures here in hot-as-heck Texas.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on July 08, 2018, 01:12:18 PM
In my experience, marigolds are pretty easy to start with. Water the dirt lightly, poke seeds a half inch or so into the soil, and they should be sprouting within a few days. You should be able to start them right now, I think, and they'll bloom until fall!

The other plants I don't have any experience with, but check the packaging for advice, and pay attention to your hardiness zone. Different zones have different windows for planting and growing. Depending on which part of Texas you're in, it could be anywhere from zone 6 to zone 9. It'll help you predict when the growing season ends, and with that information you can decide whether or not there will actually be enough time for your plants to grow fully and flower.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 08, 2018, 01:36:58 PM
Hey y'all!
My family just moved out to an area where we now have two acres of land. So we now have tons of gardening space.
Weare working on fixing up the house first, and revitalising the garden beds in front of the house.
Already, we have purchased Catnip (my own choice), Spearmint, and Marigold seeds. How should we start these, and when? It's July, but we still have about 3 months of warm temperatures here in hot-as-heck Texas.

I think it's worth starting all of them now even if they may not fully develop. Seeds are cheap, and this is an easy experiment that will give you confidence to do more next year (or at least show you what doesn't work). All of the plants you picked like full sun, so keep that in mind when deciding where to put them. Start the mint in a container, since it spreads easily in some places, and might take over the whole bed (though in my experience, mint has been much tamer and even difficult to grow sometimes). The rest can be planted straight in the dirt, as Ana Nymus instructed. Give them some space, place the seeds like 4 inches apart. Make sure you water them daily. Morning or evening is better, since watering them in full sun will cause a lot of the water to dry up instead of getting to the roots.

For next year, it's worth keeping in mind you can also buy seedlings for a lot of garden plants, and it's easier/safer to use those rather than starting everything from seed yourself. I'm not sure where to buy seedlings in your area, but a farmer's market might be a good start.

Also, if you don't compost already, it's a good idea to start! Compost is very good fertilizer for the garden. There are many guides online on how to do it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Lenny on July 08, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
I've managed to identify some of my mystery plants :O I knew they were all herbs, but had no idea which was which. It seems, though, that I have several sage plants, a ton of chamomile, even more lemon balm than chamomile, and a few mint plants. There was a fifth type but I think that one died last year and didn't come back up again. The lemon balm is growing so well right now that I've had to re-pot a lot of them (putting some chamomile along with them), and I think there's enough and they're growing well enough to start thinking about making tea or other things with it :O I saw that it's possible to make liqueurs with it, too, and I'm quite tempted to get into that... but ooonly if they stay alive X'3 I still see it somewhat as a fluke that they're growing this well. Usually I forget to water, or forget that I've watered and overwater, or forget that the plants exist, etc.etc.etc.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 09, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
For next year, it's worth keeping in mind you can also buy seedlings for a lot of garden plants, and it's easier/safer to use those rather than starting everything from seed yourself.

If what you mean by 'safer' is that you don't risk having the seed not germinate or the seedlings die early, that's true; but buying plants can be risky in that if the plants aren't healthy you may bring diseases into your garden, or for that matter into your entire neighborhood. There are seedborne diseases, but not as many, and if the seed's from a reputable seed company it should have been checked.

If you do buy plants, be careful where you get them. I'd avoid the big box stores, which destroyed tomato crops all over the Northeast several years ago by insisting on selling plants carrying late blight despite being warned by extension agents.

-- on what to plant when in Texas, I have no clue. That's an entirely different climate than mine (and, I gather, a different climate depending on where you are in Texas.) There should be a Cooperative Extension agency somewhere in your county or whatever Texas uses for counties, and they've probably got advice. If any of your neighbors have good gardens, then I'd go talk to the neighbors.

In my area, all the mints including catnip will spread on their own, once well started: including quite possibly to places where you don't want them. So bear that in mind when choosing locations. A lawn full of mints smells quite nice when it's mowed, though --
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 09, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
If what you mean by 'safer' is that you don't risk having the seed not germinate or the seedlings die early, that's true; but buying plants can be risky in that if the plants aren't healthy you may bring diseases into your garden, or for that matter into your entire neighborhood. There are seedborne diseases, but not as many, and if the seed's from a reputable seed company it should have been checked.

Yeah, I meant safer in the sense of not having to deal with seeds that don't sprout or very young plants dying. Disease-wise that's a risk, I guess, but as long as you look at what you buy and it seems healthy, I wouldn't worry too much. (I personally buy seedlings from farmers markets in a completely different part of the world, and I've never seen plants that looked diseased for sale. People seem to have the sense to avoid this, at least when they're not part of a big company.) Besides, plant disease and pests will almost certainly pop up in any garden, a lot are there already when you start to plant, and learning to deal with them is a part of gardening.

Edited to add: if this were a food garden which people's livelihood depended on, I'd be entirely on the side of extra precautions, of course. And thank you for sharing that story, thorny, it's pretty shocking that a company can be so careless, and good to be aware of that.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 10, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
plant disease and pests will almost certainly pop up in any garden, a lot are there already when you start to plant, and learning to deal with them is a part of gardening.

True; but it does depend on the disease/pest. If something's already widespread in the area, you're right, it's less of an issue: partly because it's there anyway, and partly because its predators/disease resistance are probably in the area also. Bringing in something that's not already present, including things that otherwise usually only show up so late in the year that most of the crop's already in, is another matter.

Edited to add: if this were a food garden which people's livelihood depended on, I'd be entirely on the side of extra precautions, of course.

There are quite a few things which attack both plants grown as ornamentals and their relatives grown as food. And some things (including the late blight in my example) can spread rapidly for miles; so one person's hobby garden can affect a whole lot of people, including those for whom the planting is livelihood and/or necessary dinner.

Buying from a reliable, known seller at a farmers' market, or from a reliable local nursery that grows its own plants, is a sensible thing to do. Bear in mind that in some areas what appears to be a farm stand or local nursery may have bought in stock from somewhere unreliable; try to know who you're dealing with if possible.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 10, 2018, 11:45:14 AM
Totally agree with thorny. Here in South Australia the one that gives me the cold horrors is Mediterranean Fruit Flies. They often come in with fruit imports from Qld and NSW. When they infest fruit trees here, local councils feel it needful to strip the affected trees and all other fruiting plants for a couple of blocks to a suburb. Plus spraying vile insecticides which taint tank water and destroy native insects and are ruinous for beekeepers.

Then there is fireblight, which we didn't have here until we started importing cheap fruit from NZ which does have it, rather than supporting our local apple and pear growers. SA was clean of fireblight before then.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 10, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Thank you both for the extra info! I know I still have a lot to learn on these things. I wanted to put an optimistic spin on things so the newer people don't see gardening as this overwhelming thing that can even endanger other people, though I'm afraid I ended up sounding irresponsible. Honestly, if I knew pests were such a big deal in gardening when I started my experiments, I probably wouldn't have bothered at all. But now I'm hooked and determined to learn to fight them in appropriate ways, and learn from my mistakes. There's a delicate balance between learning to be responsible in a new activity and keeping your enthusiasm for it (at least for me).
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 10, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
FWIW: despite occasional disasters, most plants, most of the time, aren't all that bothered by most pests.

That doesn't mean no pests aren't there, or that there's no damage; but plants suited to the area, and provided with the right nutrition and balance of sun and water, can tolerate a certain amount of chewing on, and produce a crop despite some degree of disease prevalence.

-- another advantage of either starting your own, or getting plants from a reputable local source, is that you're more likely to be getting varieties that actually are suited to your area. The best tomato to grow in Texas is unlikely to be the best one to grow in upstate New York; and even over much smaller distances suitability can vary considerably. If you buy seed to start your own, there are smaller seed companies specializing in specific climates -- I know several in the Northeast USA and a couple in the short-season Northwest USA, but don't offhand know who's best for any particular part of Texas. For the southeastern United States, there's Southern Exposure, http://www.southernexposure.com/ (http://www.southernexposure.com/) and some of their stuff might do well there. There's probably seed companies in the Southwest I don't know about, though.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on July 11, 2018, 01:07:15 AM
It's hard for me to keep enthusiasm going across an entire growing season, let alone 3 of them like we get in Auckland.  My garden is mostly organic not out of any particular scruples, but out of sheer neglect.  We prepare the soil well & buy plants from local suppliers, try to get the early weeding & thinning done, but after that the plants are mostly on their own as what time and energy we have goes elsewhere for a while.  For the winter crops, they only get a look-in on the weekends, as I don't see the place in the light during the working week.
We get pests, and we get fungal diseases, but we still get enough of a harvest to fill our pukus.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Auxivele on July 11, 2018, 01:12:18 PM
So I know nothing about plants and growing things, the only thing I've successfully grown is some type of succulent that requires almost no work. I'm about to start college which might not be the best time to learn how to grow things, but anyway. Does anyone have any tips or tricks? I'm a couple hours from home so I can't have anything that would be too difficult to transport.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on July 11, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
So I know nothing about plants and growing things, the only thing I've successfully grown is some type of succulent that requires almost no work. I'm about to start college which might not be the best time to learn how to grow things, but anyway. Does anyone have any tips or tricks? I'm a couple hours from home so I can't have anything that would be too difficult to transport.

I think succulents or maybe euphorbs are perfect for a dorm room, although one like aloe or hens-n-chicks tends to need maintenance for its numerous pups (I can't bear to let them die, but neither can I repot the things endlessly).  OTOH, potted pups make nice gifts for your new college friends?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 11, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
Auxivele, do you want things you can eat, or things just to look at?

It sounds like you'd be doing container gardening -- there's a good bit of information out there on that, both for edibles and for ornamentals (not that some of the edibles aren't ornamental --).

You should decide whether you're willing to get into plant lights; that'll make quite a difference in what you can grow, as there's unlikely to be enough sunlight in a dorm room for sun-loving plants to do well. There are plants that do well in shade, however. If you only want to light a small space, there are also plant lights that don't amount to significantly more than an extra lamp in the room.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on July 11, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
So I know nothing about plants and growing things, the only thing I've successfully grown is some type of succulent that requires almost no work. I'm about to start college which might not be the best time to learn how to grow things, but anyway. Does anyone have any tips or tricks? I'm a couple hours from home so I can't have anything that would be too difficult to transport.

Like wavewright mentioned, succulents are great for dorms! Seriously, I got one my first year at college (a little aloe) and now I have... six that I bring to school, about 10 that stay at home because I don't have enough windowsill space. Also, they all have names and lives in a complex suburbia AU in which my original plant is a biology professor married to my roommate's plant, a prickly actuary with a heart of gold. But I digress.

The nice thing about succulents is that they don't mind if you forget to water them one day. The downside is that they need enough light, and depending on where you go to school and what plants you get, they may not tolerate the drafts near windows in winter well. But I've found that a decently sized window provides enough light for many succulents to flourish. My aloe even flowered last year, and the others have grown enough that I've had to repot every one of them. Succulents are also usually pretty sturdy for the purposes of transporting to and from the dorms: mine have followed me for every break and are none the worse for wear. Seriously, I recommend succulents.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 12, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
At least some aloes prefer not too much light.

I've got a shade-loving aloe that I wish it were practical for me to give you a chunk of. It keeps trying to take over the place. I have multiple times given away all of it but a couple of small pieces, but it always gets huge again.

I'd need a nursery license to sell pieces of it at farmers' market, and it's not worth getting one just for that one plant, as I don't sell anything else in that fashion. I understand why that's necessary (disease and invasives issues), but it's still mildly annoying.

I should probably keep it under control by harvesting leaves and using the gel as skin cream, but I have another hand cream that I really like, and I tend to forget to use the aloe.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Auxivele on July 12, 2018, 11:07:27 AM
Thank you all so much!

I'm in New England, so I don't know if the draft would be too cold. I do think I want to stick with low-light plants so that it's one less thing I have to worry about. I never really thought of having edible plants in my room but I'm open to anything.

Now I'm going to spend all day researching plants and container gardening instead of doing anything else important but I mean it's summer break so it's not like I have much to do...
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fauna on July 12, 2018, 05:39:18 PM
Does anyone have tips for increasing the soils ability to hold water? The drought is downright merciless here. I've buried some sheeps wool around young plants hoping it will absorb moisture and keep what little rain we might get (there's a government ban on watering so yeah), but I'm looking for anything that might help my garden out rn.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 12, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
If you specifically need low-light plants and would like edibles, you might try watercress (Nasturtium officinale), violets(Viola odorata), or wood strawberries (Fragaria vesca). If the edible bit is less important there are always ferns. Wood strawberries are the tiny slightly pointed ones with the incredibly rich strawberry flavour. Pretty leaves and flowers, fruit is edible fresh, cooked or as jam.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 13, 2018, 03:03:00 AM
Does anyone have tips for increasing the soils ability to hold water? The drought is downright merciless here. I've buried some sheeps wool around young plants hoping it will absorb moisture and keep what little rain we might get (there's a government ban on watering so yeah), but I'm looking for anything that might help my garden out rn.

Government ban on watering? D: That sounds post-apocalyptic to me.

I think your best bet now is mulching. There are several possible materials for this, and I'll leave it to more experienced people (or your own research) to suggest a good one since my experience with it is rather limited.

Ana Nymus, I think it's fun to try to grow herbs you can eat or enjoy for their smell, so look into mint, basil, oregano, that kind of thing. You may not be successful with all of them, but if it works out, it's even more rewarding than a plant that you can't eat :) They do need more consistent watering than succulents and can get "sick" easier than a succulent would, but I still think it's worth a try, and I grow some every year, with varying success rates.

Also if you have a place that sells plants nearby, it's worth talking to someone there and ask them recommend you something appropriate for a beginner. There are a lot of plants that may work! For instance, I have Dieffenbachia that came with the apartment I rented and it's a type of plant that will live for years simply hanging out in water without even needing to be potted. It's as resilient and low maintenance as it gets imo (also, it turns out it's mildly poisonous, but I cared for mine for years without being aware of this and never had any reaction  ;D)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 13, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
Government ban on watering? D: That sounds post-apocalyptic to me.

Quite a lot of places do this during dry spells. There are many places on the planet where fresh water is in seriously short supply, and needs to be reserved for drinking water and essential agricultural supply. Some major metropolitan areas on the planet are in serious danger of running out of water altogether and having to ration drinking water.

Some areas that won't allow overhead might allow drip tape, and/or watering from a greywater system, or from rain barrels if you do get occasional rain. Mulching can indeed also be useful. And then there's xeriscaping -- grow plants that are native to dry areas and more tolerant of drought.

Also if you have a place that sells plants nearby, it's worth talking to someone there and ask them recommend you something appropriate for a beginner.

Some places that sell plants have people who know a lot about them. Others don't.

Try to find a place that's actually growing the plants, not just selling them.

-- Herbs are indeed often a good thing to grow in pots. Some of them will tolerate low light; and in some others the legginess from low light can be controlled by cutting the plant back frequently -- and using the cuttings. If you're not cooking in the dorm, you can spread them out to dry and bag the dried herbs up as gifts (though little baggies of dried green material can be hazardous to try to carry through airports -- )
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 13, 2018, 10:51:12 AM
What thorny says about dry places reserving water for essential survival uses! I live in such a place. Which is why I have two big tanks and and several rain barrels. I have lived for years at a time without mains water, but it is useful to have as a backup.

I know that California tried to ban lawn sprinklers a few years back, possibly because at the time the highest water consumption of any crop in the state was for lawn grass. Whatever finally happened about that?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Lenny on July 13, 2018, 11:38:16 AM
Mmm, ban on watering is pretty common. Not that common in Tasmania or the Netherlands, both places are very wet, but in South Africa it's very normal to live day-to-day life while rationing water. In lots of areas it's a fool's game to even try to maintain a live lawn of grass, and people keep gardens to things that can survive without lots of water. Probably the most recent mention of the most severe form of this in the news was Cape Town last year. The dams now are back at 53% capacity overall, but it was very, very near no water at all. It was flush the toilet once a day and scramble for bottled water situations. You don't water plants in that situation unless you've got your priorities all messed up :'>
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on July 13, 2018, 01:13:15 PM
Quite a lot of places do this during dry spells. There are many places on the planet where fresh water is in seriously short supply, and needs to be reserved for drinking water and essential agricultural supply. Some major metropolitan areas on the planet are in serious danger of running out of water altogether and having to ration drinking water.

I know, but as far as I know Fauna lives in a certain European country that should have no problem with that. So my reaction wasn't "wow I can't believe some places have problems with water" but rather "I can't believe severe drought is happening in this area". Though of course I may remember incorrectly, or they may have moved, or climate change is even worse than I thought (which is particularly bad, since I'm always the pessimist when it comes to this).

Some places that sell plants have people who know a lot about them. Others don't.

Try to find a place that's actually growing the plants, not just selling them.

Hm okay, isn't this getting a bit excessive? What if someone does buy a plant from a place where the employees aren't that knowledgeable? In the vast majority of cases, either it will be totally fine, or they will have wasted a small amount of money on a plant they're not prepared to care for. The worst case scenario, where the entire tomato crop of a state is decimated, won't happen just because someone bought a plant for their dorm room. Let's be a bit more realistic, maybe?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 13, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
I wasn't suggesting that nobody should ever buy plants. I was suggesting that if one is buying living things, it's better to do so from a place that knows what they're doing; especially if asking the place for advice about said plants.

Yes, lots of people buy plants that are unsuited to what they want to do with them, and/or that they're given the wrong growing instructions for, and/or that are diseased or infested, and by far the most common worst thing that happens is that they're out the cost of the plant. But if one's going to ask for advice, why not ask for it from someone who's likely to have accurate answers?

And there are invasive organisms being frantically battled all over the world which were introduced by people who had no idea that they were doing any such thing. I wish that weren't realistic; but it is.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 15, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
thorny, you are right about that. Many dangerous agricultural pests, diseases and weeds have been introduced to Australia, where I live, and to other places, by people who had no idea that what they were bringing in was a problem. We need to be a bit careful. If we buy exotic plants we need to buy them from a known clean source, such as a nursery with an import license, which is what I do because I have a collection of rare and unusual vegetables.

On a slightly different note, I have found it useful to share some of my more unusual and rare garden plants with other collectors, both because it is good to have the plants spread around a bit, and to have a source of replacements should something happen to my plants. Yesterday I spoke to an audience of food gardeners at an Urban Farm down near the coast. It was an interesting gig, and a bonus was that some years ago I gave specimens of a number of rare cabbage cultivars to the chap who manages it, and I was able to get seed back of several of them that I had lost in a year in which my garden had suffered heat waves, severe frosts, wallabies and rabbits. This time I will plant them in a better and more protected position. And hopefully soon I will have more seed to share with community gardens and urban farms. Food reserves are a good thing to have!

Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 19, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
Nah, I see Sc0uts point. Aren't you from Sweden, Fauna? It's uncommonly hot and super dry in large parts of Norway as well, and bans on watering many places (and restrictions in others -very sensible "only water with what you can carry and don't leave the sprinkler on" for private gardens, but still not what you usually get around here) that indeed gives me the shivers and a pre-if not post-apocalyptic scare.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on July 19, 2018, 10:25:22 PM
Wish me luck, a friend gave me a pink echeveria leaf (wohoo! they're super rare here!) and now I'm crossing my fingers for it to multiply successfully!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 20, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
Antillanka, if the base of the leaf is not already dry and callused, leave it for a day or two to harden. New roots start better from a dried base. Echeverias have such a pretty flower, as well as interesting shapes and colours of the rosette.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on July 20, 2018, 10:45:55 PM
Antillanka, if the base of the leaf is not already dry and callused, leave it for a day or two to harden. New roots start better from a dried base. Echeverias have such a pretty flower, as well as interesting shapes and colours of the rosette.

Thanks for the advice :D The source plant was very pretty, I'm hoping for a very nice echeveria in a few months... or half a year haha, whatever it takes it to grow ^^
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Cancvas on August 12, 2018, 02:28:13 PM
On water retention, adding plant based charcoal (bbq coals might not be the best, fire residues might better) will increase water and nutritient retention. 10% volume or so.

 But the question, does anyone know if hare (not rabbits) eat vine vines (ones growing grapes)? Question might be moot, depending whether grapevine will survive winter or not.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fauna on August 23, 2018, 04:52:14 PM
Nah, I see Sc0uts point. Aren't you from Sweden, Fauna? It's uncommonly hot and super dry in large parts of Norway as well, and bans on watering many places (and restrictions in others -very sensible "only water with what you can carry and don't leave the sprinkler on" for private gardens, but still not what you usually get around here) that indeed gives me the shivers and a pre-if not post-apocalyptic scare.
Old topic now but indeed. It's been ridiculously dry here this year. It's lush and green now as we have had rains the past few weeks and all the trees have recovered (thanks, gods!) but up until last month or so, the place I live literally looked like those stereotypical images of dryland Africa. There were still leaves on the trees, but they were all shriveled up and dried, or they were orange like they go in November. The lawns were clay and dust. Walking to the bus was accompanied by leaves crunching underfoot, it was creepy to say the least.

That being said, Sweden honestly isn't the best nation in the world when it comes to water rationing. A number of parts of the country, especially Gotland, have had problems with supplying water for a good couple of years now. Turns out that when your land has a lot of water, it's easy to want to have a bit less of it. Marshes and wetlands is very fertile agricultural land when you dig them out, and peat moss is commonly used to heat up buildings and worth quite a bit of money. I'm a nature nerd so I keep tabs on these things somewhat, but I'm still always slightly surprised by the fact that PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED when we have less ground water, despite the fact that WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO HAVE LESS WATER. Like this year, we had MASSIVE spring floods and a couple of weeks later it was drought warning. Yes, sure, we didn't have any rain, but that was a lot of meltwater we just directed out towards the oceans.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on September 11, 2018, 09:22:54 AM
This doesn't look like an echeveria after all XD
Does someone know what it is?
I see two babies that are about half a centimeter each, and the mother leaf is already turning yellow... I hope that maybe in a month I'll be able to cut it out? I heard in a tutorial that it helps the babies grow faster, since the roots don't need to keep the leaf alive anymore...

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on September 11, 2018, 06:42:43 PM
Antillanka, I have No. Clue.

In other news, how can I possibly have managed to not only kill our horseradish patch, but also munt it so badly the cuttings we got from a friend in Auckland have failed to grow?  Horseradish is supposed to be unkillable?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 12, 2018, 06:55:09 AM
 Antillanka: Might still be an Echeveria - many of those can have that jelly-bean look when they are babies. Or even more likely, one of the hybrids such as Graptoveria? Do you know what the flowers look like on the adult plant?

Wavewright: Is it still winter where you are? If so, the leaves of your horseradish may just have died right back from frost, and will revive in Spring. Or a combination of a bad frost and very soggy ground may cause the roots to freeze, split and rot. Mine is still dormant after a cold winter. If a week of warm weather doesn't bring it back up, try digging very gently around the roots to see if they are still there and showing any new buds on the root crowns. If so, the plants will be okay. Do you have any local critters that might eat the roots? We have lawn grubs and bandicoots here.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on September 13, 2018, 08:57:26 PM
Róisín: Yes!! The mother looked pretty much like this one:

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I didn't see it in bloom, so no idea what the flower looks like, but if everything goes right and mine ever have flowers, I'll make sure to send you a picture  ^-^
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 14, 2018, 12:12:59 AM
Antillanka: yep, that looks like a Graptoveria, a hybrid of Echeveria and Graptopetalum. Pretty!

Wavewright: my horseradish put up its first leaf today. I'm about to go and water it, because it is uncommonly dry with us for the season, though we have had an unusually cold spring. Cold, clear and dry means more and worse frosts. I have a bad feeling about the coming bushfire season this year, so am trying to keep things trimmed back, well weeded, mulched and moist.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on October 06, 2018, 04:56:07 PM
Wavewright: my horseradish put up its first leaf today. I'm about to go and water it, because it is uncommonly dry with us for the season, though we have had an unusually cold spring. Cold, clear and dry means more and worse frosts. I have a bad feeling about the coming bushfire season this year, so am trying to keep things trimmed back, well weeded, mulched and moist.
I finally got about a dozen itty-bitty leaves coming up this past week, whew!
Spring garden time this weekend, with most of yesterday spent harvesting the winter garden and cleaning up the beds. (Anyone want to come pick up a pottle of mixed greens sauce for making palak? I have....a few.)
Digging out the bottom layer of the compost pile today to mix into the newly vacated beds.   Better get onto it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 07, 2018, 01:44:02 AM
Antillanka: that is a pretty plant. Something you may find useful is a website called 'The Succulent Plants Page', which is an excellent resource for identifying succulents and learning to care for them. It gives botanical names which makes it easier to research the plants on other sites as well. I would put up a link, but I can't make it work.

Wavewright: I'm so glad that your horseradish has survived! Such a useful plant it is: tasty, good for stimulating the appetite and improving the flavour of food, antiscorbutic and one of the better herbal remedies for a range of respiratory problems. Did you know that the flowers and young leaves are also edible, as well as the more commonly used roots? They add a real zing when sprinkled over soups or added to a salad. Sort of like eating the flowers and baby leaves of wasabi, which I also enjoy, probably more than I do the roots.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on October 07, 2018, 04:44:02 AM
I did not know that.  I know that my chooks were mad keen on the stuff, and managed to pretty much destroy a crop of the stuff the first summer we kept birds.  They would climb onto the fence until it was sagging over the plants, strip all the leaves and dig to eat the root as well!  They did the same to rhubarb, whenever they could make a breach in the fence - they would bypass all number of tender crops to get back to the rhubarb.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 07, 2018, 07:42:10 AM
My chooks and ducks are in a wire-enclosed area the size of a large room for that reason as well as to protect them from being eaten by eagles, quolls, foxes and feral cats. They can be a real pest in the vegetable garden. They don't miss out on too much - I throw my weeds in to them, and there are several fruit trees in their enclosure.

Two delights in the garden today - first open flower on the white rock-rose, and first buds bursting on the purple lilac. The flower bunches I do for the Farmer's Market will be beautifully scented this week!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on October 07, 2018, 12:03:38 PM
I love reading about your season ramping up as mine is winding down.

I'm down to one market instead of two, and the remaining one closes the end of this month. I don't have enough produce for a winter market this year, though the second market may have one if they can find a good location. Last thing left on the planting list is the garlic, and the soil's way too soggy to prepare, with no good dry spell in the current forecast; but it's too soon to panic about that, I generally aim for late October and up to midNovember will do fairly well in this location, especially with the warming climate.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 07, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
If the soil is too soggy for garlic I generally plant it in a raised bed or in big foam boxes, which keeps it from rotting. Not often a problem here.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on October 07, 2018, 10:44:33 PM
I'm intending to plant it in raised beds. Soil has to dry out enough for me to make the beds, though. There's a lot of clay in this soil, and while it's nice and fertile and holds moisture well if you're careful with it, if you work it too wet it can turn into clay pots and seal up all your crop roots.

The original theory was to make the beds earlier in the year and throw on some cover crop that's easy to either work in or pull out (buckwheat probably), but other things got in the way -- including soggy soil a lot of the rest of the year, also.

-- foam boxes? how many, what size, what kind of foam? what do you fill them with? how is that easier to accomplish than raised beds without boxes?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 08, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
thorny, when I say foam boxes, I mean the kind of insulated foam box in which farmers ship broccoli heads to market, about 1metre long, half metre wide and deep. One of the other stallholders at the market has a lot spare, because he can't use them to ship veges to market if they are at all damaged or have lost their lids. I fill them up with a mix of potting soil and compost and use them, not in a box but freestanding, to grow small fast crops of stuff like lettuce, radishes, spinach or garlic. He often has more to give away than I can use, so I pass them on to the Community Garden, local schools, and to people trying to grow a few herbs or veges on a balcony or in a courtyard. Very handy for folk who haven't space for a proper garden.

If the crop needs drainage I poke holes in the bottom, or leave the boxes intact for propagating water plants or growing cress and miner's lettuce. I have also used them for propagating water lilies, and indeed have grown water lilies in an old esky (an esky, in Australia, is what I think would be a beer cooler to Americans).
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on October 08, 2018, 04:37:13 AM
Any thoughts on the impact of using plastic in gardening (especially things like foam, that easily rip into particles)? I normally try to use containers made from biodegradable/"natural" materials as much as I can, or at least durable plastic.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 08, 2018, 05:35:26 AM
Plastic - would prefer not to use it, but sometimes it is all there is to use. Part of the problem with gardening on an extreme budget is that the good-quality materials are often out of reach. So I try to choose foam containers that are not too degraded, and while I grow some food crops in them, they are the ones like watercress, miner's lettuce and regular lettuce that have a very short growing time and shallow roots. Ceramic containers would be nicer, but they can cost hundreds of dollars, which I, and many others, can't afford. So apart from what is in the actual garden (mostly perennial crops, fruit trees and root crops), and the water plants growing in foam boxes, I have stuff like water lilies, lotuses, Typha, weaving rushes, nardoo and water irises growing in old bathtubs and an old laboratory sink. Our community garden grows water lilies in a recycled spa tub, and uses several old fridges for worm farms. Works for us.

The one that really worries me is the use of treated timber for making raised beds. Recycling wood such as vineyard posts for anything except raising structures from the ground is a bad idea - many of the anti rot and anti termite chemicals used on such things are very poisonous, and can leach into the soil.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on October 08, 2018, 12:27:26 PM
Ah, I see. [ETA: page topper: replying to Róisín and Sc0ut.]

I'm certified organic, and can only use materials the certifying agency would approve. We can't use treated wood in the fields, or anywhere in buildings where it might contact the crops (the treated ground-contact support posts in my packing shed are sheathed in approvable metal.) I don't know if there's a position on foam planting boxes, but I expect it would depend on the type of foam; and yes if they were approved and went out in the fields getting them back out of there while still intact would be an issue.

In any case, I usually plant a thousand or so row feet of garlic, so that technique would require a huge amount of boxes and of potting soil; too expensive in my situation. I do grow some things in pots in small quantities, mostly so I can keep them in and/or move them in and out of the greenhouse -- ginger, a few of the tomatoes, some early and late greens plantings, sometimes even a couple of big pots of carrots, though not the main carrot crops. The pots are plastic, but heavy duty long term use plastic; overly damaged ones are at least theoretically recyclable.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sunflower on October 15, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
Is anyone good with cyclamens (https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/houseplants/cyclamen/cyclamen-care.htm)?  I bought a little $5 plant (the kind they sell by the thousands at chain stores) a few weeks ago to have at my desk at work.  But for the past two Mondays, I've come back after the weekend to find the poor little cyclamen flattened and nearly dead.  I'm not sure if it's the lack of water over the weekend or the lack of light.  (There's a big wall of windows about 4 rows from where I sit but the lights are off most of the weekend because they're run by motion detector, so it's kind of dim all weekend.) 

I was able to revive it last Monday with careful watering but a lot of the tiny budding flowers and leaves died off.  Today it's still alive but looks pretty wretched (which is how I feel here too, but that's another story). 

It's possible this could be the seasonal die-off the link above mentions; after all, these chain stores force their plants into bloom, so it might just be wiped out.

I'm probably taking this poor suffering thing home to my balcony, but I'd like to take better care of any future potted flowering plants at my desk.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on October 15, 2018, 11:50:40 PM
Sunflower, the info on that site is useful but not complete. If you have one of the cool-temperate cyclamens, an office would be too stuffy, dark and hot for it. Cyclamens may look like orchids, but they are actually more closely related to primroses. Their flowering habits are more like those of snowdrops or daffodils, I've seen them coming up through the snow in the Greek mountains, or here in the Mount Lofty Botanical Gardens. In your climate as in mine they would be summer-dormant, the leaves die back and the tuber rests until Autumn. At home you could try sitting it out on your balcony and maybe bringing it inside if, say, you wanted the flowers as table decoration for a dinner party, then putting it back out in the cool night. They like bright indirect light (in the wild they grow among rocks or on a forest floor). Not a good windowsill plant for sun-facing windows -the poor things cook. Water under the leaves rather than from above, to avoid fungal diseases, and don't leave them in standing water or the roots will rot.

For your desk, have you considered a bromeliad such as Queen's Tears, Billbergia nutans, which is pretty, hardy, and doesn't mind being indoors? Or a Neoregelia bromeliad, or the very delicate epiphytic Mistletoe Cactus, Rhipsalis baccifera, which comes with the bonus of tiny edible fruit? Lots of plants, especially tropical epiphytes or most kinds of ferns, will be happier in an office than will a cyclamen.
Title: Trifolium Repens
Post by: Nellie McEnt on November 29, 2018, 09:03:20 PM
A place for Minnions to regale the world with tales of the Trifolium Repens--the gardening enthusiasts will love us! (And Mikkel will be proud of us.)
Title: Re: Trifolium Repens
Post by: wavewright62 on November 29, 2018, 10:11:09 PM
He-hee. Remind me to go find the discussion of the likely identification of the flower Emil & Lalli encountered in the abandoned store back in chap 15. 
Title: Re: Trifolium Repens
Post by: Róisín on November 29, 2018, 10:59:21 PM
Love the stuff! Clover honey makes most excellent mead. I have planted some for my bees. Plus it is pretty, medicinal and improves the soil. But should we be in the gardening thread? Ask the mods?
Title: Re: Trifolium Repens
Post by: Nellie McEnt on November 29, 2018, 11:34:35 PM
Love the stuff! Red clover honey makes most excellent mead. I have planted some for my bees. Plus it is pretty, medicinal and improves the soil. But should we be in the gardening thread? Ask the mods?

Ah--brilliant! When I made this, I was thinking more along the lines of Mikkel's nonsense, which is why I put this in the general discussions board (well, and also I don't know where it belongs, because I'm very new to the forum--it only finally let me in today). But I also didn't realize Trifolium Repens was a real thing--so by all means, perhaps we should move somewhere else and talk about it seriously!
Title: Re: Trifolium Repens
Post by: wavewright62 on November 30, 2018, 02:33:34 PM
Done.  Now -
Why would the gardeners of Y90 Iceland be so inspired by rumours of clover anyway?  Clover is a great forage crop for livestock, but does this not grow in Iceland? 
Also, it seems peculiar to focus on 'troll remains' when *ahem* other remains are so much more abundant?  Perhaps it is the association of sjødraug with plants that sparked it.

The Icelnadic gardeners are thrilled to hear that trifolium repens is rampant, but are there tales of it being too rampant?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on December 01, 2018, 01:56:39 PM
Excellent cover crop.

Also does make an enthusiastic weed --
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on December 01, 2018, 04:48:53 PM
Yeah, I'm encouraging it to become a cover crop un my garden patch- just by refraining from weeding it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on December 01, 2018, 09:05:19 PM
And if too much grows you can always dig it in as green manure.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Cancvas on December 26, 2018, 02:39:01 PM
Mostly to throny, regarding organic certification, does that exclude heat theated wood? Only water (steam) and heat applied and quite durable material formed.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on December 26, 2018, 06:47:22 PM
I don't see why wood treated only with heat wouldn't be certifiable; though in general, always check everything with the particular certification agency, first.

Most wood called "treated wood" has been treated with chemicals. The chemicals they use now aren't supposed to be as hazardous as the ones they used to use; but you're still not supposed to use the stuff in certified fields, or in buildings if there could be direct contact either with the crop or with soil that crops are grown in. (I've got treated wood posts holding up my packing shed, but they're sheathed where they come through the area where produce might otherwise possibly touch them.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on December 27, 2018, 07:01:21 AM
Yeah, some of the stuff they use here to treat vineyard posts is really unpleasant. There are better ways to keep termites at bay. Including using the woods they don't like to eat, or even some of the heavy non-leaching plastics. The pioneers here used to sheath the base of wooden posts in copper, as for a ship's hull. Expensive but also helps prevent rot, discourages snails, and prevents or reduces some of the fungal diseases that attack grapes. There are a lot of vineyards in my area, and I prefer those chemicals do not get into the local water.

Don't know how you go with water with your crops, but with many plants, grapes and garlic included, overwatering does more harm than good. I try to group my plants at least roughly by water requirements, both to save water and to avoid rotting posts in areas that don't need to be heavily watered.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on January 03, 2019, 05:11:29 AM
££>~{}~£+¥¥<\]1?'climate disruption! Last night I went out in the evening to bring in the washing, and found a young ringtailed possum on my back porch. Old enough not to need its mother's milk anymore, young enough that it should still have been with its mum to learn how to hunt and forage (they eat a mix of leaves, flowers, fruit, insects, seed heads of grasses, birds eggs, nectar, tree seeds and whatever else they can find, depending on the local environment and time of year). This one was clearly terrified as well as physically distressed. It was trying to break into the container of poultry food (a mix of oats, barley, millet, lentils, peas, wheat and sunflower seeds).

Once I realised its mum was nowhere in sight and it looked very skinny, I put down a scoop of the poultry food for it, along with a bowl of water and a few slices of apple. This afternoon I was out in the garden trying to salvage what I can of the plum crop, which is falling off the trees from heat stress as the apples were doing a few days ago. And there it was, under the plum tree after the fallen fruit, in broad daylight. They are generally a nocturnal animal. At least this time it knew not to be scared of me.

We do have local wildlife carers, but they are already swamped with orphans, and this little guy does seem to be managing on his own with a little help. I don't care to hand-tame the animals who share my place, they have their own lives and don't need to be made dependent on humans. But I figure if a little discreet help will let him survive I'll give it. I think I have figured out where he is sleeping, and he should be safe there. I'll be very, very glad of cooler weather.

This is shaping up to be a tough year in the garden for me and the wildlife both.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on January 30, 2019, 08:43:20 AM
I'm preparing my babies (succulents mostly) for when I leave for vacations, for three weeks... I plan to leave them in the backyard, in a place where they might get a little water from the sprinklers, but not enough to soak their soil. I wonder if leaving them in a different light regime than what they had indoors could harm them. Any tips?

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on January 30, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
I'm not sure.  I'd be more tempted to give them a good watering and then leave them in their normal places for the 3 weeks - succulents are generally pretty tough that way.  But I don't know whether the indoor conditions might get too cold for them without you being there?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on January 31, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
I know next to nothing about succulents.

I do know about hardening off transplants -- you don't go straight from indoor light to full sun. You start by putting them out in the sun an hour or so the first day, a while longer the second, and so on for several days.

I also know that my aloe plant has severe difficulties with full sun. It takes it quite a while even to adapt to its summertime location, which is up against the east wall of the house and so is shaded from late morning on.

So I think I'd recommend first looking up the particular species you've got, and seeing what their light requirements are; and then, if they are suited for full sun, hardening them off gradually for several days before you leave. But again I know next to nothing about succulents.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on January 31, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
Agreed, thorny. Aloe vera and Aloe socotrina in the wild are plants of light dry forest and the thin soil between rocks, not the full blazing desert sun. Mine are frost tender also, which can be a problem where I live, which varies between -12C and +48C in the twelve years we have lived here.

Also, anent Antillanka's succulents, the best way I know to keep them alive over an absence is to water them thoroughly and then leave them outdoors in the shade under trees. Or indoors in the bath, with something like damp towels or wet paper under them.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on January 31, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
Thank you for the advice, everyone! I think putting them under a tree will do, I hope they'll be ok ^^
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on February 23, 2019, 06:03:09 PM
A late summer bounty from my garden: parsnips, green beans, runner beans, capsicums, carrots, zucchini, and a couple od cucumbers that liked the rain we finally got recently.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6cb30c7a759526d3e3917e21b7f789d1/tumblr_pnct9tcS0F1uzglet_540.jpg)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on February 24, 2019, 02:09:34 PM
A late summer bounty from my garden: parsnips, green beans, runner beans, capsicums, carrots, zucchini, and a couple od cucumbers that liked the rain we finally got recently.

It's always a little disorienting to hear gardening news from the southern hemisphere during the northern hemisphere winter. We've had a week or more of minus mid-teens celsius, with the winchill lowering that to mid-minus-20s. I was out for a walk this afternoon and got thinking about the raised beds I'll be building this year... once the 2.5 m deep snow pile where they're meant to go has melted! I'd been mulling over putting a cover on one bed, to keep a few things going into winter, but I suspect it would wind up buried - this is actually a low snowcover year, I can't imagine keeping the area clear-ish in a heavy year!

Nice to think about growing things, though, even if I'll more than likely be out skiing later this week.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on February 24, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
Vulpes, you are in Canada, aren't you? Sounds like nice weather. Times I have lived in such climates I used to bed my perennial plants down for winter with about a foot of mulch over them. Some of it will rot down in late winter/early spring, the rest you can scrape aside to let sunlight at the beds when the weather warms. And I used to put a layer of small light twigs and dead leaves over my bulbs, like what they would get on the forest floor, and they were better for it. Good luck!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on February 25, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
Róisín, yes, I'm in Canada, on "the Rock", i.e. Newfoundland. Rather more challenging gardening than where I grew up in Nova Scotia. Plus we have a shady yard. I had several frustrating years trying to grow veggies in insufficient light and soil. Then we got rid of an over-large shed that was in the only truly sunny part of the yard. This summer I'll build some more substantial raised beds than I had before, and get a load of good soil. I'm a big fan of mulch - the rhubarb (the only perennial food plant I've got at the moment) is under a thick layer of leaves. It's always a challenge to remember to check on it in the spring and loosen up the leaves, they get pretty compacted under a couple metres of snow. Most of our small yard resembles forest - ferns, patches of bunchberry and snowberry, shrubs like beaked hazel, and the whole works with a carpet of leaves. Fallen twigs from the trees stay where they fall for the most part.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Mebediel on March 16, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
My desk was recently moved from the middle of the floor to a window space, so I started collecting the plants my coworkers abandon and putting them on the windowsill. I'm trying to rescue this orchid, but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. Are the wrinkly leaves from being over-watered or under-watered?

(https://i.imgur.com/yR1uhlH.jpg)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 16, 2019, 02:47:03 PM
Any idea what family of orchid it is? Many orchids don't like direct sunlight. Or frost burn, if it is cold outside. Some, like Sydney rock orchid, will tolerate full sun, but even those can burn from excess heat and cold. To judge moisture, stick a finger into the soil in the pot. Soil should be moist just below the surface, but not soggy (unless you are growing Paphiopedilums or other swampy-forest species - mine do well for being mulched with damp sphagnum moss). My Paphs also wilt if the light is too bright and glaring.

Identify it if you can, because needs for light, water and nutrients vary wildly across the Orchidaceae.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Mebediel on March 16, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
Any idea what family of orchid it is? Many orchids don't like direct sunlight. Or frost burn, if it is cold outside. Some, like Sydney rock orchid, will tolerate full sun, but even those can burn from excess heat and cold. To judge moisture, stick a finger into the soil in the pot. Soil should be moist just below the surface, but not soggy (unless you are growing Paphiopedilums or other swampy-forest species - mine do well for being mulched with damp sphagnum moss). My Paphs also wilt if the light is too bright and glaring.

Identify it if you can, because needs for light, water and nutrients vary wildly across the Orchidaceae.
Not a clue...I think this one traveled through a couple of hands before it reached mine. I'll ask one of the people who used to take care of it. The windowsill hasn't been getting any direct sunlight (yet...we'll see if that changes as the season changes), but I'll keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on March 16, 2019, 05:15:00 PM
Hearty congratulations on the seating change!  Echoing what my fine colleague said about large variation in requirements. I'd say it's one of the moth orchid ypes offhand. I can't see the center of the plant to see whether new leaves are coming through okay. I had some plants do well for many years in an eastern window (only some sunlight in the morning). They also went through a period of seeming decline every year for a spell before perking up in and sending out blossoms.  Do you have an orchid society near you? (They're more common than you think.) Make their day and ask them.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Mebediel on March 17, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
Hearty congratulations on the seating change!  Echoing what my fine colleague said about large variation in requirements. I'd say it's one of the moth orchid ypes offhand. I can't see the center of the plant to see whether new leaves are coming through okay. I had some plants do well for many years in an eastern window (only some sunlight in the morning). They also went through a period of seeming decline every year for a spell before perking up in and sending out blossoms.  Do you have an orchid society near you? (They're more common than you think.) Make their day and ask them.
Thanks! And this is technically three plants in three smaller pots that were arranged together in a larger pot. I’ll look for an orchid society...I know there’s a fern society that meets nearby, so I imagine there must be an orchid one too!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: refract3d on May 15, 2019, 11:39:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HAF8yfK.png)

I've been growing some radishes and other food plants in my windowsill and one day I came home to weird tapping noises behind my curtain. This Fatbird was doing a shimmy dance and watching. Waiting for opportunity.

Also my parents gave me like 15 aloe plants (many of which are crowded and rootbound) to try and resuscitate. Is there a good way to keep cats from gnawing on aloe? My roommate's cat is Hungry and Large and quite willing to chomp down on things that will end in kitty diarrhea. (no one wants this)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 15, 2019, 01:25:19 PM
Birds do like to scratch up seedlings. Something I have found helpful is to cover large pots with chicken wire, with the seeds or seedlings under it. If the wire is at least a few inches above the soil surface, by the time the plants grow through the wire they are much harder to scratch up.

The cat must be truly desperate if it will eat aloe, which is both spiky and intensely bitter. Does it have access to fresh water? And have you considered planting up a pot of catgrass so it has safe greens to chew on? Don’t let the cat chew on random houseplants: many of them, such as lilies and dieffenbachia, are irritants or are poisonous. Might be worth talking to a vet about the cat’s diet and general health too. Does the cat get wormed? Sometimes a cat will eat purgative plants like aloe if they have a worm infestation. Good luck!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: refract3d on May 15, 2019, 02:02:09 PM
I have the plants inside the window for now, but would like to move them outside as the season progresses. I'll try that, thanks! There's a ton of pigeons that like to hang out on the roof below my window because my neighbor feeds them and I was concerned about them scratching up and eating things.

He's quite well fed and has water available, I think it was mostly curiosity. I don't know if he actually ate it last time but there were definitely some tooth marks. Hopefully he's learned a lesson and won't try again? That's honestly more reassuring than anything, I just don't trust him not to bite things, he's a weird furball who likes to use his teeth. (he's a big ginger boy with a very strong hunting instinct and a lot of playful energy)

I'll talk to my roommate about planting some catgrass anyway. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 04, 2019, 10:01:03 AM
The peonies began to blossom two days ago.  (https://66.media.tumblr.com/a7aedd81a3688395a286eeeb699b8bed/tumblr_pskujdsD8z1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 04, 2019, 10:04:02 AM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/946904549f466dfb28baafdc4017cc0c/tumblr_psktsskxH71ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/10fd8caf103356c5c01dfc498bbcb4d3/tumblr_psktwbnBP91ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/03515401f43192f041119583bb16a3b8/tumblr_psku228bhk1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
The house is 101 years old. It was a company house in the old woolen mill days and was built for a supervisor. The peony bushes are over 50 years old. My mother planted bulbs given to her by a neighbor of her mother.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 04, 2019, 11:14:32 AM
Midwestmutt, those pæonies are gorgeous! Which cultivar are they? I have several plants but none quite that pretty. Are they scented?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 04, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
They have a wonderful scent. I'm afraid I don't know which particular species they are. They have been a feature of the yard for nearly my whole life.They are the popular type in my area. Possible Chinese or Sarah Bernhardts though wiki says those are pink not red.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on June 04, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Just gorgeous!  And I love your deep porch/veranda.  We had an old pale pink peony bush when I was growing up, but what I remember most about that was the ants!  I couldn't just enjoy the blooms, because they were always covered in ants. 
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 04, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
Now the peonies are in full bloom. There is a bee about to land on top left. I've always felt that the ants help the flowers open up.  https://66.media.tumblr.com/b654899c6eb4492cf905f01b2368ad87/tumblr_pslk5g336U1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 04, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
Here are more. https://66.media.tumblr.com/ef56a44c7bd0d5bd129f8e22109ae6fe/tumblr_psljzzsA8L1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/7d9700fa17d6e74ac0aaaa7849d2eeaa/tumblr_pslk1ejkee1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/fe08f66b22cdcf3282f5e3c3311d84d3/tumblr_pslk2fwVtM1ti7cwto1_540.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/d39d46a7aa760073e98b504a2a371fd0/tumblr_pslkmj1niV1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 05, 2019, 12:29:51 AM
Lovely. And I think what you have is a P. edulis cultivar, the very old one used in Asiatic traditional medicine.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 05, 2019, 08:59:08 AM
This comes up as passion fruit on google.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 05, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
Sorry! Botanical conventional usage is that the abbreviation refers to the last genus name used in the ongoing conversation starting with that letter. Which in this case was Pæonia. The passionflower is Passiflora edulis. Many plants have the specific epithet (species name) edulis, or edule, which means edible. Doesn’t always mean that it is something you would regularly eat, the Pæonia, for instance, is more used in medicine than in food, though in some cultures the seeds are used as a spice, just that eating it is possible. A lot of botanical names have adjectives telling something about the plant, such as ‘alba’ or ‘albiflorum’ (having white flowers), ‘nana’ (tiny or dwarf) or ‘angustifolium’ (having pointy leaves). Too easy to forget that I am not talking to another botanist,
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 05, 2019, 10:55:06 PM
Ah OK now I got it. I'd say you nailed it. Everything I see on google describes these to a T. The only other flowers to bloom soon will be the tiger lillies. The tulips and lilacs are done.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Antillanka on June 05, 2019, 11:30:55 PM
Your peonies are so ridiculously beautiful, Mutt!!!! Enjoy them while they last  :))
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 06, 2019, 05:44:02 AM
My lilacs and tiger lilies didn’t bloom at all this year, and only three of the tulips did, rather than the few hundred flowers I normally get from them.  And I grow hardy species tulips rather than the delicate cultivars. Let’s hope next year is better. This year has been the single worst one I have ever had for fruit and flowers, both here and anywhere else I have lived. Normally I have plenty of flowers on my land for the bees both wild and domestic, the butterflies and the nectar-eating small birds, as well as yielding me a profitable amount of flowers to sell as ‘cottage flower bunches’ at the Farmers Market. I will not scant the animals of their food, so this is likely to be the second week I will have no flowers for the market. *grumblemuttercurse*.

At least I have been successful in propagating some of the food plants which are rare here such as Gynura and  Basella, as well as some rare cacti and flowering groundcover succulents, and the New Zealand Rock Lily, which is also uncommon in these parts, and the lemon crop is coming on, so I will have something to sell at the market. I have lost my Chinese Ground Orchids to the weather, which is annoying because those are medicinal as well as pretty, but I know somebody who will trade me some for young fruit trees, and I have managed to trade some bromeliads and Gynura for new starts of Crosnes, which I had lost to the extreme weather last year. Glad of that, because as well as being for the market, crosnes are one of my favourite vegetables to eat, as well as having pretty flowers.

I’m glad your pæonies are surviving and blooming for you.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on June 30, 2019, 05:53:22 AM
Here are some pics of my garden patch, and some questions
Earlier this year:
(https://i.imgur.com/EWSfbdA.jpg)
And now:
(https://i.imgur.com/GQ6Aq7Z.jpg)
The soil is mostly clay, rich in minerals but low nitrogen (it's a community garden so they've analysed it). I haven't used fertilizer this year, and I think I should have as two of the squares had cabbage family plants last year (cauliflower and kale). This year I have strawberries, chives, and maybe some beans and sweatpeas if the weather don't kill them off - A very cold and wet spring killed the squash and early carrots. And white clover (trifolium repens)! Remember my project of last year of encouraging it by refraining from weeding the stuff? It's now covering a good part of the sides and one of the squares, now I'm trying to seed all the rest with dry flower heads which I now have in plenty. So to the question: Should I let the clover stay in between the strawberries, as I have, or does that increase the risk of mildew and rot?
(The strawberries are probably planted just a bit too densely but I'm planning on thinning a bit later)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 30, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
The white clover, being a nitrogen fixer, enriches the soil, which is needful after growing brassicas (cabbage family plants), because they are heavy feeders. Clover shouldn’t hurt the strawberries. What strawberries really enjoy is an acidic mulch, because in the wild they are forest floor plants, so if you give them a good layer of pine needles it not only keeps the plants healthier but keeps the berries off the dirt. Same goes for all the brambles, also blueberries, cranberries, bilberries, cloudberries and all that lot.

I hope you are keeping some of the flowers to enjoy as tea, and some of the seeds to sprout. White clover sprouts are not as rich tasting as those of red clover, but still good. The garden pictures are nice.

And midwestmutt, to judge by the photos you put up, those bulbs look much more like what we here call daylilies.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on June 30, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Thank you, Róisín! I can try it out for tea, although my tastes normally run more to citrus and ginger-type infusions. I love the smell of the flowers, though!
Thanks for the tip on the mulch!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on July 01, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
Depending on the kind of clover it might outgrow and excessively shade the strawberries. If it's doing that, I'd pull or cut it back away from the berries enough to allow air circulation (and deter mold) and let them get sun and also let you find them for harvest. If none of that is an issue then I wouldn't worry about it.

The beans and peas are also nitrogen fixers, especially if you've inoculated them. With those and all that clover I doubt you need to add additional nitrogen but depending on the crop and the soil you might need something else. When did the community garden do the analysis -- fairly recently, or years ago? Do you have access to recent tests?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on July 02, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
Thank you, Thorny :) I didn't know inoculation of legumes was a thing before you mentioned it - we haven't done that. I haven't seen inoculation pellets in our local gardening shops, but that may be because I haven't looked for it. Interesting! I'm leaving all the wild legumes so hopefully they'll have some nice nitrogen fixing bacteria in their roots. I'll be super happy to post some pictures of them later, there are at least three different clovers, bird's foot trefoil, vetch and ..something I think might be a sort of vetch but am not quite sure about.

The analysis was done when the garden was launched two years ago, but I haven't got access to the tests beyond næringsfattig mellomleire which I think translates as nutrient poor clay loam.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on July 03, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
More flowers as we enter into July.
Hollyhocks are a favorite of mine since childhood.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/038126e3a2d94d4d9de7e89722b4b229/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/2954c448d1e9b94890dcae61955273e5/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto2_1280.jpg
I have no idea what these two are. They are volunteers that keep popping up in the yard. I suspect they come from my bird feeders. The spiky one has a stark appeal while I'm always a sucker for blue flowers.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/d412486aba3fcd67d1a2bbca31e9dc4a/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto4_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/9e1d03b980f8b45a1d40c5a8eab0bd9f/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto5_1280.jpg
The lilies are in full gear.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/195842a002ff14ce4e5b8dd8e9d10c36/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto6_1280.jpg
Coming attractions. The hostas and another variety of day lily will bloom later.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/091460ecd0e11618a468419fdfc2225f/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto7_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/05f1d0b5527d664260922f44eeef550a/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto8_1280.jpg
Catnip. My old kitty has a good life.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/f90bfbeb5ba921a402375918b3e0faa2/tumblr_pu2tdmA7qQ1ti7cwto9_1280.jpg
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 03, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
Those are lovely! What colour are the flowers on that last taller lily? It looks more like the shape of a tiger lily.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on July 03, 2019, 11:42:43 PM
Taking a very wild guess on those blue-flowered ones, they resemble wandering jew to me?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 03, 2019, 11:53:55 PM
Reckon you are right. Might be Tradescantia fluminensis, or where Midwestmutt is, maybe T. virginiana, the small-leaved spiderwort, which I think is a native plant in his area?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on July 03, 2019, 11:55:32 PM
Those are lovely! What colour are the flowers on that last taller lily? It looks more like the shape of a tiger lily.Yellow day lily, a beautiful canary yellow, you'll see in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on July 18, 2019, 08:55:36 PM
The yellow lilies are blooming. I guess these must be true tiger lilies.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e6bac93917e1febad5f868586ba82d76/tumblr_puv6eoYQuO1ti7cwto2_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/81979d716ec8d9a51a3f6334f2f8de30/tumblr_puv6eoYQuO1ti7cwto1_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e0fa534dc4373f05f331992927d7523d/tumblr_puv6eoYQuO1ti7cwto4_1280.jpg
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on July 18, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
Yeah, I think so. Those look like tiger lilies, so pretty!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: refract3d on July 19, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
Radish experiment is going well still, and I have a small but growing basil as well. Hopefully they will make it through my upcoming move intact!

I love tiger lilies :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on January 13, 2020, 08:37:54 AM
Stumbled accross this gem, I think everyone in this thread will appreciate.

(https://i.imgur.com/aj8Mamf.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FaRTkpa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/GASKg7h.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/rf9JQQF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/st4n3wT.png)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on January 13, 2020, 11:58:12 AM
Stumbled accross this gem, I think everyone in this thread will appreciate.

 :)) :)) :))

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on January 14, 2020, 02:03:25 AM
Thanks, the thread is great! But the photo is kinda disturbing...
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on January 14, 2020, 03:44:19 AM
Yet kudzu is such a useful plant! I can only suppose that those who have it as a weed don’t use it?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on January 14, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Yet kudzu is such a useful plant! I can only suppose that those who have it as a weed don’t use it?

It's a right menace in the American south and they sometimes broadcast spray herbicide and use actual flamethrowers and not just weed burners to handle it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on January 14, 2020, 11:59:03 AM
And yet the tubers can be eaten or made into flour like yams or jicama. It was originally introduced to the South to repair and prevent erosion damage, it is a nitrogen fixer, and a good source of material for biofuel. Plus it has many uses in traditional medicine, including reducing the cravings of alcoholism. The flowers are very beautiful, and are excellent bee fodder - only problem is that the honey comes out this weird purplish colour, like the flowers. I wonder if the dried flowers might make a dye....
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on January 24, 2020, 01:55:08 PM
And yet the tubers can be eaten or made into flour like yams or jicama. It was originally introduced to the South to repair and prevent erosion damage, it is a nitrogen fixer, and a good source of material for biofuel. Plus it has many uses in traditional medicine, including reducing the cravings of alcoholism. The flowers are very beautiful, and are excellent bee fodder - only problem is that the honey comes out this weird purplish colour, like the flowers. I wonder if the dried flowers might make a dye....

I have no problem with weird colorations of honey. We get black sage, and buckwheat honey off my family's ranch and the beekeepers have (years back) gotten purplish pomegranate honey.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: yeethaw_gang on March 18, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
Does anyone have any tips or tricks for growing tomatoes? Just sort of generally. 

I've got 4 plants, and they're...okay, I guess?? They could be better.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 18, 2020, 12:08:03 PM
What sort of tomatoes? Cherry tomatoes? Beefsteaks? Roma? They mostly like a sunny spot and some support to lean against or climb up. Only water from above if you water in the morning, as leaving the foliage wet overnight encourages moulds. Pinch out the tips to make the plants bushy. Mulch high up the stems - as with many solanaceous plants tomatoes will put out extra roots from the stem to absorb more water and food. Leave enough leaves in the canopy to shade the fruit if the weather is very hot. They like a rich soil and enough water to keep the soil moist but not sopping. They like nitrogen fertilisers.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on March 18, 2020, 01:24:32 PM
Does anyone have any tips or tricks for growing tomatoes? Just sort of generally. 

I've got 4 plants, and they're...okay, I guess?? They could be better.

Need more info. How do they not look right? Do the leaves look diseased, or pale, or bitten, or stripey or spotted, and if so what sort of stripes or spots or bites? Are they not blooming? How old are the plants? Are they in pots, or field grown? What variety? What climate are you in? What's your soil like?

Róisín is as usual generally right but I'll throw in that too much nitrogen can cause lots of vegetative growth without much fruit, and/or improper fruit development and/or increased insect problems; and the extent to which pruning is useful and how to prune can depend on variety and also on whether you're aiming for the most fruit, or the largest fruit, or in the case of indeterminates fruit over the longest season.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: yeethaw_gang on March 18, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
What sort of tomatoes? Cherry tomatoes? Beefsteaks? Roma? They mostly like a sunny spot and some support to lean against or climb up. Only water from above if you water in the morning, as leaving the foliage wet overnight encourages moulds. Pinch out the tips to make the plants bushy. Mulch high up the stems - as with many solanaceous plants tomatoes will put out extra roots from the stem to absorb more water and food. Leave enough leaves in the canopy to shade the fruit if the weather is very hot. They like a rich soil and enough water to keep the soil moist but not sopping. They like nitrogen fertilisers.

I'm not sure, they're certainly not cherries. They might be Romas. I tend to water in the evening as I don't time in the morning.

Need more info. How do they not look right? Do the leaves look diseased, or pale, or bitten, or stripey or spotted, and if so what sort of stripes or spots or bites? Are they not blooming? How old are the plants? Are they in pots, or field grown? What variety? What climate are you in? What's your soil like?

Róisín is as usual generally right but I'll throw in that too much nitrogen can cause lots of vegetative growth without much fruit, and/or improper fruit development and/or increased insect problems; and the extent to which pruning is useful and how to prune can depend on variety and also on whether you're aiming for the most fruit, or the largest fruit, or in the case of indeterminates fruit over the longest season.

The leaves sort of dry (burn?) at the edges, then the whole leaf withers. I'll need to take a better look at them when I get home. There's also ants on them, so I sprayed them after I watered them yesterday. They're field grown, from seed. I reckon they're about 4 or 5 moths old the the very most.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on March 18, 2020, 10:37:05 PM
I'm not sure, they're certainly not cherries. They might be Romas. I tend to water in the evening as I don't time in the morning.

The leaves sort of dry (burn?) at the edges, then the whole leaf withers. I'll need to take a better look at them when I get home. There's also ants on them, so I sprayed them after I watered them yesterday. They're field grown, from seed. I reckon they're about 4 or 5 moths old the the very most.

What did you spray them with? (And I doubt the ants themselves were a problem; though they might indicate one. Please don't just randomly spray plants unless you know you've got a problem, and one that the spray is labeled for. Were there aphids?)

What part of the world are you in?

Try to find pictures that match the symptoms you're seeing. You really can't treat the problem unless you first find out what it is. This might be some help:

http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/DiagnosticKeys/TomWlt/TomWiltKey.html

though you might instead have a nutritional problem; and I don't know what diseases are common where you are -- which presumably isn't New York State, if you've got tomatoes out in the field at this time of year.

Or, if you have a determinate variety, they might just be about done. Indeterminates keep growing, and producing, until the weather or something else clobbers them. Determinates grow until they set their crop, then they give out. Did you mean five months from seed, or from transplant? [ETA: whoops, sorry, I see you said from seed] though an early determinate variety might be done in any case.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 18, 2020, 10:49:36 PM
What thorny said! And yeah, ants generally are not a problem, but some of their livestock can be. Ants actually herd, protect and ‘milk’ some kinds of aphids, leaf hoppers and other sapsucking insects, which eat the sap of your plants and produce a sweet substance called honeydew which ants like. Honeydew plus leaf damage also opens a path for fungal diseases, which further damage the plants. And please don’t spray at least until you know what the problem is, because that will also kill ladybirds and lacewings who eat a lot of pests, as well as killing bees. And if you water in the evening, water the roots rather than the leaves, however nice the watered leaves smell!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: yeethaw_gang on March 18, 2020, 11:11:19 PM
I've just confirmed that my tomatoes are in fact, not Romas. I do believe they are indeterminate.

Also: The spraying was for caterpillars (we don't ever get ladybugs in our garden), just a general (organic, I think) pesticide in a spray bottle. I've been getting quite a few. They're bright green, and that's all I know of them, because I refuse to get closer. Bugs terrify me.

Oh! I owe a lot of thanks to thorny! I think my tomatoes have Gray Leaf Spot. I will confirm once I get home. I live in Perth, WA.

EDIT: Yep, Gray leaf! Thanks for all the advice everyone!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on March 19, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
Bugs terrify me.

Gardening may get you over that.    ;D

Most "bugs" you might see in a garden are either beneficials or neutrals. Some of them are utterly essential for pollination of some crops, and many of them are eating the bugs you actually don't want.

If you sprayed an organically-permissible insecticide aimed at caterpillars, it's probably BT, which is unlikely to do anything to either ants or aphids; though again ants in themselves aren't a problem. It may or may not finish off the caterpillars, depending on growth stage; but it won't do it immediately.

Please, always read the label on any pesticide (that includes fungicides and herbicides as well as insecticides and miticides) before using, use only according to directions, use only if it'll actually work on the problem you've got, and use only if you've actually got a problem. That's actually legally required. One thing that both organic and conventional growers/advisors agree on is that misuse can cause all sorts of problems.

(Are your caterpillars tomato hornworm, by the way?
http://putnam.cce.cornell.edu/resources/tomato-hornworm
They are kind of scary looking; but aside from their looks don't bother humans.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: yeethaw_gang on March 20, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
The caterpillars are not hornworms. I think they may be these: http://lepidoptera.butterflyhouse.com.au/geom/metarhodata.html (http://lepidoptera.butterflyhouse.com.au/geom/metarhodata.html)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on March 20, 2020, 08:21:38 AM
Ah, loopers. Those are a pest. If there are too many in my garden I feed them to the poultry.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fluffyfinance on April 08, 2020, 04:37:29 PM
Any advice for growing cilantro? I just planted some chives and cilantro in my (hopefully) soon to be a full herb garden, and then it got really hot. My cilantro is wilted within the first day of it being outside so I moved it to some shade. Should I move it inside for now or just water it more? It said they liked full sun but this little guy doesn't seem to, at least not the hellish texas sun.

Also, basil seeds, any tips you may have about growing them are very welcome.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on April 08, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
Any advice for growing cilantro? I just planted some chives and cilantro in my (hopefully) soon to be a full herb garden, and then it got really hot. My cilantro is wilted within the first day of it being outside so I moved it to some shade. Should I move it inside for now or just water it more? It said they liked full sun but this little guy doesn't seem to, at least not the hellish texas sun.

Also, basil seeds, any tips you may have about growing them are very welcome.

My cilantro does best as a late winter/spring crop, and my climate is ever so much cooler than yours!  But even then, and even with harvesting of leaves, it does get leggy seemingly overnight.  (Our UV is very strong, though, particularly in the spring.)   I would not water it more, but the partial shade was probably a good idea.  I also find staggered plantings to be very effective, to keep the season going longer, in which case you will need to keep the watering going to aid the younger ones.
(I always get basil plants, no help from me on seeds, sorry.)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on April 08, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
If you've got plants that you started inside, whether cilantro or something else, you generally have to get them used to being outside gradually: before transplanting them out, put them out the first day just an hour or so, the next day a couple of hours, the day after maybe a half day, then you can plant them out. Full sun is a lot stronger than even proper plant lights and they need to get used to it.

Cilantro is going to bolt whatever you do; some varieties faster than others. Get seed of a strain meant for leaf, not for seed production; but it'll still bolt. I never grow that from transplant as the shock of transplanting can bring on bolting even faster; I direct seed it. And yes, you need to do succession plantings; about every three weeks is good.

There are a lot of different kinds of basil, with different flavors. Some might do better in your area than others (I've got no useful advice about Texas in particular, I'm in upstate New York.) Basil generally likes it warm, though I don't know whether some strains don't like it too warm, we don't get out of the 90's F or at least I certainly hope not, I don't like it that hot myself. It's very frost tender. Bolting's not a problem with basil; just keep cutting it back as you want to use it. Unlike cilantro, the flavor won't change if you don't cut it back enough and it goes into bloom. Basil flowers are also edible, and can make quite a pretty garnish.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 13, 2020, 05:14:58 AM
Yeah, basil flowers are extra nice in pesto or salad. And something else about basil: despite being a fleshy herb, it dislikes being overwatered. Also, like tomatoes, water around the roots rather than onto the leaves (however nice the wet leaves smell) because leaving water on the foliage overnight leads to mould. If leaves are dusty, water in the morning so leaves have time to dry. If you catch the mould early, water with cool chamomile tea, otherwise pull the affected plants out so mould doesn’t spread to the whole patch. This also works on pumpkins, melons and other cucurbits, if you catch the mould early.

Basil grows well if planted with tomatoes, which is handy, because those also combine well in the kitchen.

And yeah, cilantro does well if you grow a variety best for leaf rather than seed (unless you actually want the seed for pickling or making dukkah). Don’t transplant it or it is going to bolt, and do succession plantings. Texas may be like Australia, where I will be planting mine as the weather gets cooler.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fluffyfinance on April 13, 2020, 09:55:45 AM
Thanks, everyone very much for your advice! I didn't even think about bolting or letting them get used to the new environment! (I'm very new with this) It's very nice to have the extra information
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on April 13, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Information is fun!

Basil does well with tomatoes, yes; but don't just interplant it between tomatoes on the same spacing, at least not if the tomatoes are large types. The tomatoes may crowd out the basil or overshadow it so that it doesn't dry fast enough after rains. Try a patch of basil at the end of the tomato row. (Maybe this is less of an issue in climates with fewer cloudy and rainy days than we have during the growing season?)

If your area has tomato worms, get some tall variety of marigolds (you can start those from seed also) and plant those inbetween every few tomato plants. The scent of the marigolds seems to discourage some pests; and the taller marigold varieties don't seem to get crowded out.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 13, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Yep, Tagetes marigolds especially. Calendula marigolds help, but Tagetes ones are better. Tagetes marigolds are especially good to repel root nematodes.And in our climate of extremes, basil has actually a better chance when closely interplanted with tomatoes, since the big tomato leaves shelter the basil from the blazing Summer sun, and later from the first early Autumn frosts.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Fluffyfinance on April 17, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
Well, now I'm going to see if I can get tomatoes and marigolds after I get my basil seeds growing! (I think I want to start them inside and move them out later) ;D
I don't know if I have tomato worms but even if I don't I can still feed some marigold to my chickens for really golden yokes in their eggs, and they really love it already. I will have to keep the tomatoes away from them though...
One last kinda weird question, If I have a patch of dirt and I weed the top of it, do I need to do anything else with it before I start planting or is that enough? I know sometimes the ground doesn't have the nutrients for certain plants but this is assuming it is rich in nutrients already.

Thank you all very much!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: crowbarrd on April 18, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Hello ! Does anyone have advice on managing pests ? I've been having tiny greyish insects plaguing the soil of my catnip plants, which I grew from seeds and keep indoors, so I'm not sure where they came from.
So far they haven't seemed to harmed the plants, but they crawl out of the pot and get everywhere- I searched for some DIY pesticide recipes but I'm not sure how effective or harmful towards the plants they may be; this is the first time I've encountered such insects.

Are there any alternatives I could go about to remove them ? Or should I just leave them be ?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 19, 2020, 02:50:32 AM
Are they winged? Might they be fungus gnats? Or whitefly? I can’t make links, but it should be possible to find pictures of both online.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: crowbarrd on April 19, 2020, 10:54:07 PM
they're really small so I can't really tell; but they don't seem to fly- from what I've observed of them, they could potentially be springtails ? I will try to get a picture of them !
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on April 20, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
they're really small so I can't really tell; but they don't seem to fly- from what I've observed of them, they could potentially be springtails ? I will try to get a picture of them !

Springtail was my first guess. Are you over-watering?

If they are springtails, I would try either diatomaceous earth (least threat to the plants, easy, but I've no idea how vulnerable springtails would be) or drench the soil with safers soap - any soap, really - let it sit for a bit, and flush thoroughly with clean water. If you have >1 plant, definitely test that first on one before risking them all. I would guess anything mint family would stand up to it, but you never know.

There's some other insect that is likely, but my brain isn't interested in sharing what that might be. I'll check in if it comes to me!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on April 20, 2020, 06:10:38 PM
Urea in minute traces is good for plants right?

I'm thinking of using a diesel exhaust fluid container as a recycled planter.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: crowbarrd on April 21, 2020, 04:01:32 AM
Springtail was my first guess. Are you over-watering?

If they are springtails, I would try either diatomaceous earth (least threat to the plants, easy, but I've no idea how vulnerable springtails would be) or drench the soil with safers soap - any soap, really - let it sit for a bit, and flush thoroughly with clean water. If you have >1 plant, definitely test that first on one before risking them all. I would guess anything mint family would stand up to it, but you never know.

There's some other insect that is likely, but my brain isn't interested in sharing what that might be. I'll check in if it comes to me!

Thank you so much Vulpes !! I live in rather humid/hot conditions, so the plants get a bit droopy if I don't water them every few days, and the soil probably doesn't dry out fast enough between waterings. I'm no professional at gardening :') I'll check if they have it at the florist/gardening store nearby, thank you again for your help !!!!!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on April 21, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
Solokov, please make sure to not grow anything edible in it! Properly cleaned, almost anything can be used as container for decorative plants, but with edibles you have to be more careful.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 21, 2020, 09:24:46 AM
Agree about not growing food plants in a diesel container, though things grown for ornament are probably okay, and after a few years the container may have been sufficiently cleaned by insects, plant roots, soil bacteria etc. to be safe for food plants.

And Crow, springtails probably won’t hurt your plants, but they do get everywhere. Although they are hexapods they are not strictly speaking insects. They break up organic detritus in the soil in their search for the stuff they do eat (Bacterial colonies and microfungi and algae), which process may actually help your plants to access nutrients in the soil. But if you find them sufficiently annoying to want to kill them, diatomaceous earth may be best - just don’t breathe the stuff in, it does no more good to human lungs than it does to the joints and breathing tubes of insects and suchlike creatures. I am presently using it on the ants that are invading my beehive, and know to be very careful around it.

Also don’t overwater - springtails in nature are creatures whose habitat is the bark and leaf litter of the forest floor, so they like it dark and damp.

Also, catnip may be better for a bit of sun and air rather than being entirely indoor plants.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on April 22, 2020, 01:13:00 AM
Solokov, please make sure to not grow anything edible in it! Properly cleaned, almost anything can be used as container for decorative plants, but with edibles you have to be more careful.

Agree about not growing food plants in a diesel container, though things grown for ornament are probably okay, and after a few years the container may have been sufficiently cleaned by insects, plant roots, soil bacteria etc. to be safe for food plants.

Diesel exhaust fluid, not diesel itself. By weight it's ~30% urea and 70~ water. Which now that I recall stuff properly from when I was helping out on the farm urea is a nitrogen source. So the more I think on it, if I dilute the traces before addingn soil I should be fine.

And hey if the tree I want to grow grows super well, all the better.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on April 22, 2020, 02:59:21 AM
Solokov, what tree do you plan to grow? And yeah, that sounds better than diesel fuel!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Solokov on April 22, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Solokov, what tree do you plan to grow? And yeah, that sounds better than diesel fuel!

I have a couple options from seed, I'm leaning towards dawn redwood or larch, but I also have easy access to gambells oak acorns as well.  I haven't quite decided yet, but I want to go with a "potted" plant for the time being in case I have to take off and move for work in the next couple years.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 07, 2020, 12:34:06 PM
Thorny and Róisín, is the sad truth that these are diseased and ought not to be let near the vegetable patch?  The seeds were kept dry and the earth was from my veranda. I didn't think it was contaminated but I don't think I can keep telling myself that these squash saplings will get better once out in the sun
(https://i.imgur.com/ZEOlVHV.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/nJd0mBa.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/W2az3sy.jpg)
Should I just throw them away or can anything be done?  I have limited belief in washing the leaves if the whole plant is blighted.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 07, 2020, 10:48:44 PM
Try spraying the leaves a few times with chamomile tea or with sour milk, spraying both sides of the leaf. And give the seedlings more sun. And when you water the plants, be sure to water the ground around the roots, and not to get the leaves wet. Keep the seedlings away from your regular garden until you are sure the emerging leaves are clear of mould, and when new leaves emerge cut off the old ones and dispose of them, preferably by burning rather than putting them in the compost heap. You could always put in a few more seeds anyway, keeping the seedlings somewhere with sunlight and good air circulation. If you wind up with more plants than you need: stuffed squash flowers are a delicacy.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 08, 2020, 12:43:20 PM
Thank you, I'll try. I wish I could keep them outside but it's still too cold at night for them. Rule of thumb in the area is after 20th of may,  even then a cold period last year killed off a lot of saplings so I'll wait until june if I can.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on May 08, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
Thorny and Róisín, is the sad truth that these are diseased and ought not to be let near the vegetable patch?  The seeds were kept dry and the earth was from my veranda.

Do you mean that they're not in proper potting soil? Even good garden soil often doesn't work well in pots, because it often develops drainage problems; and if this is just soil from a yard (to me "veranda" is a roofed porch with a floor, so I don't see where any soil would come from) there may also be nutritional deficiencies. You might try a good balanced fertilizer -- careful not to use too much; then see if new leaves also show the symptoms (the already damaged leaves won't fix themselves).

I'm also not sure that what I'm seeing in those pictures isn't some sort of insect damage; though you might be right and it might be a disease problem.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Unlos on May 08, 2020, 02:57:57 PM
This is my veranda, I'm not sure how to best translate but roofed porch with a floor and three stories up. The earth is potting soil for herbs, but it's been stored on my veranda the whole winter in the bag so perhaps fungus were happy to grow in there?
(https://i.imgur.com/KDQ8xVd.jpg)
The saplings are mainly indoor plants for the time being, being placed on the kitchen where the strongest light is, and carried outside when the weather permits - I have been so careful to not have them outside too long and not in direct sunlight so it shouldn't bee sun damage either though I can't say for sure. It's not ideal conditions but I can't plant anything outside that doesn't survive a night of frost (it's been predicted a snowfall in a couple of days, so definitely not yet!

I have a basil next to them, they tend to be a home for the tiny black flies that could potentially damage these, but I haven't observed them so I don't know how many insects might damage them. I will try a tiny bit of fertilizer as well, thank you!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on May 08, 2020, 09:19:33 PM
I'd expect potting soil to keep for longer than that; but if the bag was open it's possible something got in there.

If it's potting soil meant specifically for herbs, it might indeed be a nutritional problem -- most herbs shouldn't be fertilized much, while the squash family are heavy feeders. If the color's true in the picture I'm seeing, that pale green might be lack of nitrogen; and other nutrients might also be lacking. Magnesium or manganese or potassium deficiencies can sometimes cause leaf spotting.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and it is a disease problem.

And Róisín's suggestions are definitely worth a try.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Sc0ut on May 09, 2020, 10:03:40 AM
Hello everyone! Long time no see, I hope you are all as well as possible in these exceptional times. I want to talk about my garden a bit. I've been neglecting planting due to *vaguely gestures at the world* making motivation difficult to achieve, and I want that to change. Maybe talking about it will help.

Said garden is a sunny, south-facing balcony with a glass top - it gets a lot of light but probably too much heat. This year I also got a hold of new, bigger pots (plastic unfortunately but at least they're reused rather than new) which will help with my tendency of crowding plants and not giving them enough space for their root system, especially for non-decorative ones. The plan is to have mostly herbs and greens, with a few assorted other plants. So far, all I have are things that have overwintered or self-seeded, like strawberries, kale, a few sturdy succulents, and one random poplar tree sapling that inexplicably appeared ^-^ The strawberries seem exceptionally sturdy, never got any of the pests that bothered the rest of the plants, and are currently thriving and fruiting like crazy. I do want to plant a bunch more herbs and greens, maybe a couple of capsicum plants and some peas and flowers too.

There are also some problems: ants have made a home in the garden last year. I tried to evict them as soon as I noticed, including actually digging up the one queen I could find, but to no avail. I assumed they couldn't be that bad, until they started farming aphids on most of my plants. Combined with a very wet summer that encouraged powdery mildew, as well as other diseases, it made for a somewhat sad gardening year for me, since it was my first time dealing with both of these things in a balcony garden. This year, I want to fight all these problems a bit more intently (last year I mostly observed what was happening, tried one or two solutions and then let everything be when nothing really worked). I am the type to avoid harsh chemicals if at all possible (especially since I enjoy having other insects, especially pollinators, visit), so I'm looking for diy solutions for the two main problems, ants and mildew, that have a good chance of working.

Thanks for reading and good luck to everyone in their gardening!  :betterhat:
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 09, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
I have the same problem with motivation as you do, Sc0ut! Luckily my garden is outdoors (a smallish yard) and ai mostly grow decorative plants, especially perennial floand shrubs, so a lot of it happens on its own. However the remnants of last autumn and winter could be removed to make it look a lot nicer.

Hopefully your mildew problem will at least ease if not outright disappear, when you have more room for the plants so that air circulation is better, and especially if the summer isn’t quite as wet (where are you? Here in southern Finland last summer was rubbish).

As for the ants, where are they nesting? Is it possible to just pour a lot of boiling hot water into the nesting area(s)? (Do be careful when doing this! It’s not worth burning yourself!). Some ants also avoid cinnamon and or baking soda.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: OMCH on May 09, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Hey all! I recently made some mason jar mini-greenhouses, and I decided to name them after the Hotakainen siblings (sorry Lalli). I figured that this would be the right place to post them :). I think they're very pretty!

(Onni's on the left, and Tuuri's on the right)
(https://i.imgur.com/4tpE1rM.jpg)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 09, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
They are nice names! Did you know they mean Happiness (Onni) and Luck (Tuuri)? Or actually “onni” means both luck and happiness, not sure how well it suits him, but I hope your greenhouses will bring happiness to you!

I saw these really cool and beautiful largish plant terrariums built in big jars at the garden center and I kind of pine after such a thing now!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on May 09, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
I had to cover my yard flowers from a hard frost last night. Temps dropped to 24F.  There's a reason why we don't plant our gardens until after May 15th.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 12, 2020, 10:38:17 AM
I hope your pæonies survived! And your lilies.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on May 12, 2020, 08:53:11 PM
Yes they did and they survived a lesser frost last night without any coverings. Since my plants are all close to the house they were in a frost free zone. The grass further out from the house was sparkly.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on May 13, 2020, 12:42:49 AM
Level 2 begins at midnight tonight, and I am thinking of playing hooky from work and take the train to be at a garden store when they open tomorrow!  (My online account is munted, plus I want advice on Auckland conditions surrounding a bigger purchase.)
I want potting soil and seeds and/or seedlings for my kitchen boxes.  Woo hoo!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: lumilaulu on May 13, 2020, 09:41:25 AM
Level 2 begins at midnight tonight, and I am thinking of playing hooky from work and take the train to be at a garden store when they open tomorrow!  (My online account is munted, plus I want advice on Auckland conditions surrounding a bigger purchase.)
I want potting soil and seeds and/or seedlings for my kitchen boxes.  Woo hoo!

You might want to wait a day or so with that. When gardening centres reopened here, in many places there were long lines of people up to two hours before they actually opened. Although it's of course possible that won't be the case in New Zealand.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Ana Nymus on May 13, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
For years, we've languished without a garden because we simply couldn't protect the plants from the deer that wander through the yard each evening. We tried to put up various types of fences and netting, but they were impossible to maintain.

Now, though! Now we have a solution, and that solution is a greenhouse! My parents went and bought one, and it's quite secure against deer as well as birds (I'm not so sure it would keep a determined small mammal away, but we don't have rabbits and the squirrels have never given us much issue). Plus, being a greenhouse as it is, it's protected the seeds we planted last week from an unseasonably late frost over the weekend.

I'm just super excited because the first sprouts of lettuce and basil are poking up out of the dirt and it's been forever since I've been able to watch plants grow from seed!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on May 13, 2020, 07:33:14 PM
I finally got around to setting up grow lamps and a shelf in an otherwise useless corner, and now can start my own seedlings for transplanting, and grow herbs and greens all winter. It only took 8 winters of whingeing about the crappy overpriced veggies, especially when the ferries aren't running. And I started growing sprouts in Mason jars again. Nice fresh crunchy things! Now I just have to put the finishing touches on the raised beds I built last autumn and get a load of topsoil to fill them. Good thing I do this for the pleasure of mucking around in the dirt outdoors and eating fresh veggies, because every bean and lettuce leaf is going to cost about $20 after I add up all the materials!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on May 13, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
You might want to wait a day or so with that. When gardening centres reopened here, in many places there were long lines of people up to two hours before they actually opened. Although it's of course possible that won't be the case in New Zealand.
There was only a short queue, some retirees and me.  In addition, I went through work emails on my phone as I waited, so really only lost an hour.  O:-) 
I only have my apartment's kitchen windowsill (although maybe I can put a box outside on my balcony, we'll see), but picked up soil, blood, and seeds, and another a second small window box.
Seeds!  Grocery stores here do sell some seeds, but those sold out in the two-day run-up we had to Level 4 lockdown.  It was as bad as toilet paper and flour, worse even as those other two items got restocked after a week or two.  So, spinach, parsley, coriander, lettuce - easy greens.
I also bought jicama seeds because they happened to be there, but in all honesty Auckland's climate does not suit them.  I have not eaten a jicama since I left the US nearly 25 years ago. *sigh*
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 13, 2020, 10:48:30 PM
Wavewright, you like jicama! So do I and it will grow here most years if I get it started well before the last frost in a folded paper pot so that I can just put the whole thing into the garden without disturbing the roots so it can just keep growing. The bit I find hardest is persuading people that the part you eat is only the tuber, and those tasty looking beans are in fact poisonous. I use the slivered tubers in stirfry if I don’t have water chestnuts, or put them raw in a salad. Yummy and good for you!

Vulpes, the nice thing about setting up raised beds is that you can use them again next year, so the cost can spread out a bit. And sprouted seeds are wonderful! When I was on the road for months or sometimes years at a time I would carry several small jars of sprouting seeds in my backpack, set them in the light when I stopped, and have a steady supply of fresh crunchy greens. Probably kept me from scurvy a few times. My favourites were alfalfa, red clover (The most delicious), buckwheat, fenugreek (nice and spicy), sunflower and white clover.

Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on May 14, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
Ohh, I have never seen a jicama *plant*, only the tubers, which I was introduced to when I lived in California.  I could occasionally find them when I lived in Michigan too.  I always ate them raw in salads, all the cronch.
I have heard rumours that they are available here as a Chinese vegetable under another name, but have never seen them in the Asian grocers either.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 14, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Jicama plants look much like a large climbing bean, quite pretty, and it is in that family. But the tuber is the only edible part.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on May 16, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
Vulpes, the nice thing about setting up raised beds is that you can use them again next year, so the cost can spread out a bit. And sprouted seeds are wonderful! When I was on the road for months or sometimes years at a time I would carry several small jars of sprouting seeds in my backpack, set them in the light when I stopped, and have a steady supply of fresh crunchy greens. Probably kept me from scurvy a few times. My favourites were alfalfa, red clover (The most delicious), buckwheat, fenugreek (nice and spicy), sunflower and white clover.

I should hope these are reusable! That's why they cost a good bit - lots of rough-cut lumber (five 3x12 foot beds, two are 12" deep, three 18"), I'll be getting a tandem load of topsoil once the landscaping place has it in a few weeks, plus we dashed off the other day to get 64 bags of locally-produced compost from a place that is apparently not keeping regular hours after this week. I'm hoping that with the thicker non-dimensional lumber they'll last many years. I've been wanting to do this since we got rid of the old shed a couple of years ago. It occupied the only sunny part of the yard and was much too large for our needs. Looking forward to lots of beans, carrots, lettuce, summer squash, various herbs, etc. Once they're well established, I hope to add covers and see how long I can go into the winter.

One of the sprout mixes I've got includes fenugreek, it's very nice. I'll have to try red clover, I think the local supplier has it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on May 21, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
Cross-post from LMoH thread: On the first day of easing restrictions ot Level 3, I was able to go to the garden store and pick up fresh potting soil and seeds.  I have only a small apartment, but those kitchen window boxes are important to me.  Now (1 week later) I have lettuce and spinach seedlings coming up, and some of the others that I sprinkled around are coming up too, but they were more randomly placed so I'm not sure which they are yet. Possibilities include parsley, coriander and green onion.
I don't really have enough light, I guess, because those poor babbies are r e a c h i n g toward the window, but that's the only window I have available.  Maybe in summer I can use the balcony, but that only gets light in the late afternoon anyway. 
I am also attempting beetroot to put in little individual pots, with an idea of that I'm more likely to be using the greens than getting fat roots.  Those are sprouting too, as of this morning.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 21, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
My tulips are doing great, even though we didn’t plant any new ones last fall so these are repeat flowerers! Also peonies are coming up strong.

Pictures under the cur

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on May 21, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
I don't really have enough light, I guess, because those poor babbies are r e a c h i n g toward the window, but that's the only window I have available. 

Have you got a lamp you can turn on them? A plant light bulb is better, but any light is better than none.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 21, 2020, 11:18:42 PM
I notice that you have star tulips as well as the goblet types. I like those better, and have one of the wild Turkish species. They just look more like natural flowers. Is that little pink-leaved bush some kind of berry or currant, or a berberis of some type?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Noodles on May 21, 2020, 11:56:27 PM
Ooh, Jitter, I especially like those first creamy-white ones...such a lovely color  XoX
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 22, 2020, 07:48:28 AM
Noodles, those have been an absolute delight! This is their third if not fourth year and they just become more! Sometimes when the sun is in the right direction shining through the petals, I’m expecting fairies to dance on them :)

Roisin, I have some of the more “primitive” ones as well, I like both big and small flowers. The small purple Turkish ones are past already.

The bush is a Berberis variety, this one is in reality a bit orange in color. The variety may in fact be ‘Orange rocket’, I think I have one of those and this one is the most orange one I have. They are among my favorite plants, although they are a bit inconvenient with the huge barbs.

I love so many kinds of plants! It’s a shame my garden is tiny. I would like to have at least a dozen versions of red-leaved bushes, basically anything with white variegation of the leaves, and so so many flowers :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 22, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Berberis is so useful, even with the barbs. And the tiny yellow flowers are pretty, and the berries. My gran used to make a sharp sauce from the berries, to serve with rich fatty meats like pork and goose, the infusion of leaves or wood is a digestive bitter, and most parts of the plant yield a yellow dye. Usefulall round.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: lumilaulu on May 28, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
The rosemary has a bad case of scale insects. :( I think I quarantined it in time, before they could get to any other plants, but I suppose I should check them anyway.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
And check that the scaleinsects are not being carried from plant to plant by ants? Ants do that because many scale insects produce a sweet  liquid which ants enjoy.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: lumilaulu on May 28, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
I've never seen ants here (first floor balcony), so I don't think that's likely. That said, I don't know how they got on the rosemary in the first place. There were two near each other on the thyme, but there don't seem to be any others. I'll spray the rosemary with a soapy solution and keep a close eye on all of the plants. At least the chives seem to be doing great.

I also wish to make it very clear how disgusting removing and squashing those many many insects felt.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 28, 2020, 02:54:29 PM
Scale insects are in Finnish kilpikirva, literally ”shield aphids”. I was at first confused because the Wikipedia page for “scale insects” didn’t appear to have a Finnish version. But based on the description I searched for kilpikirva and yep, same thing. It’s not as if we didn’t have any!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 10, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Here are some spring blooms from my yard. First some peonies which were lavish again this year.
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Some newly planted sunflowers
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The tag said compact hot corals
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I've forgotten what these are.
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I like hostas, they are nicely low-maintenance.
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Heres's a hummingbird at the feeder for a closer.
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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on June 10, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
Oo, lovely! I love peonies, and hostas! And many others, but those are among my most best favorites! Mine are still budding (Peonies) or inly starting to grow (hostas). We are currently in allium phase :)

The one you mentioned you have forgotten what it is, is a bleeding-heart. In Finnish the name is ”broken heart”. I like those too, but haven’t been successful with them.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on June 10, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
The bleeding hearts must be quite hardy once established since those were planted by my mother many years ago. The peonies are over 50 years old from bulbs transplanted by mom from ones gifted by an old friend of her mother.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 10, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
The bleeding hearts are Lamprocapnos (old name Dicentra) spectabilis. Pretty things. They belong to the Fumariaceae, a sub-family within the broader Papaveraceae or Poppy family.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: afreude on August 29, 2020, 08:27:42 PM
Roisin I have to say I'm intrigued by the depth of your plant knowledge!  I'm new to the forum and I perused a bunch of threads over the last couple days and I've already seen several plant-y posts by you.  I worked/still sometimes work for my partner who is an arborist, so I have a pretty good idea of cultural requirements for woody plants in the Pacific Northwest of the US and I generally enjoy gardening, but it's super cool how much you seem to know about the actual uses (historical and current) for different plants!

Everyone's gardens look lovely!  I was going to share a picture of my herb bed but I don't think I've quite figured out how to attach an image yet.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on August 29, 2020, 08:44:00 PM
afreude, you have discovered the Fount of All Knowledge herself!  (Well, comparatively)

As to attaching images, they cannot be uploaded, but embedded with links to images hosted elsewhere.  This thread (https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=429.0) gives links to in-depth discussions.  We do want to see your images!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: afreude on August 29, 2020, 09:03:54 PM
Thank you!  I may have eventually found my way to that tutorial, but this made it much faster, I appreciate your help!

Here's the picture.  It's from a couple months ago before it got really hot here and I was busy and didn't water as much as I should have...  The artichoke and sunflower are enormous now, but everything else is a bit dry and so are my veggie beds.

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on August 30, 2020, 01:42:28 AM
Dunno about ‘fount of knowledge’, from my point of view I am still learning as hard as I can! But I enjoy sharing what I have learned so far. That’s why I was a field botanist and botany lecturer for 40+ years, and still teach informally. I’m a total plant nerd who grew up on several very old-fashioned subsistence farms, then went to uni for science. My gran was a village herbalist and midwife as well as a farmer, so I picked up a lot of my plantlore and info about brewing, making dyes and general arts and crafts stuff from her. I can’t draw, at all, but I’m okay with most three-dimensional skills. Mostly it is farm kid stuff.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: afreude on September 08, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Ooh, this might be better on the recipes thread, but I'm making some plum wine right now.  First attempt!  So I might have some questions for you or anyone who has brewing/fermenting experience.  Hopefully it doesn't get disgusting.

Our plum trees are going crazy.  They're on an every other year schedule, and this is a big year.  I've harvested about 50 lbs so far and used 20 for wine, 20 for jam, and given a bunch away.  I can only process about 10 pounds at a time for jam though, so I have to do a little bit every day (making some right now actually).

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 09, 2020, 03:23:08 AM
I make plum wine and plum melomel. Will put up recipes later, just dropping by for now.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on September 15, 2020, 09:21:07 AM
I've been remiss in sharing photos of my flowers this year. I think I need to find a better platform than tumbir which, between it and the forum, makes it such a process that I have to gear myself up for the task. First the hostas and peonies which are long established.
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Next my hollyhocks which I started planting 3 years ago
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The trick is to water them.
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This year's display in the half barrel provided by the village. They also water them daily which is nice.
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And of course my lilies.
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That's enough for today. As a shelter at home project I planted 5 more beds of wildflowers. I'll share those next.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 15, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
Midwestmutt, lovely! Thank you for the pictures! I love peonies, and hydrangeas:) And many other plants. Here are a couple of collages from my garden this year, from early and late summer.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4dqncdzV/CDA20984-119-B-40-D9-A036-0-FF69443-AD32.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMNMQpVP/DDE065-DE-0-F57-4290-B913-2-AB86-C8-AAA89.jpg)

More pictures in the gallery: https://postimg.cc/gallery/gdLyMhF
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 15, 2020, 03:59:44 PM
Um, and alliums, and hostas (mine aren’t doing too well at the moment so no pictures) and I would love hollyhocks too but they don’t seem to like me. I have bought plants that (are supposed to) flower that same summer, the first ones did flower but I didn’t get any seedlings, this year one of four flowered and got hit by husband before coming to seed. Hopefully the remaining three will flower next summer.

Your hollyhocks are lovely! I’be liked them before, but a few years we went to Sweden in late July and visited this idyllic town Trosa, and there were lots of cute wooden houses with hollyhocks everywhere <3
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on September 15, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
Oooh, such lovely flowers!
(midwestmutt, do you want me to stick [ img ] tags around your photos?  I also share from tumblr, and appreciate the gantseh magilla it takes to share from there)

My gardening woe: I have been in this apartment for 9 months now and have seen three whole lots of herb & vegetable plantings into containers germinate & sprout enthusiastically, get to the two-leaf stage, then languish at that stage for weeks.  Lettuce & spring onions just die at that point, the spinach and beetroot just don't do anything further.  I don't get a lot of light (only an hour or two in the afternoon), and I can't help that, but this is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on September 15, 2020, 04:50:08 PM
I'm checking into the site Jitter uses, postimage. I especially like the collage format, which if tumbir has it I don't know where they hide it. Postimage looks good on the surface. What is your experience of it, Jitter?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 16, 2020, 08:22:03 AM
Jitter and Midwestmutt, the flowers are lovely!

Wavewright: have you considered vegetables that do okay in low light, such as watercress, the mints, melissa, lettuce and cabbage? Also peas? Also, is there anywhere you can set up a mirror to reflect light onto your plants?
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on September 16, 2020, 10:59:23 AM
Or can you put lights over them? -- plant light bulbs are better, but any light is better than none. Put them on a timer if possible, so they'll go off for about eight hours overnight, but be on the rest of the time.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on September 16, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
The idea of planting some new flower beds came to me in stages. First a Spring snowfall on the sidewalk border of the old garden gave me a desire to see Mother's flower bed back there again. This was where I began to plant hollyhocks 3 years ago in a bout of childhood nostalgia.https://64.media.tumblr.com/c07b07deea4d8c16e685b80063a1ee37/16d1aa150d253a85-bc/s2048x3072/7c4a73a3c46d5a36e43c716977a4d4d079a572e1.jpg
The snow caught my first tulip by surprise. It survived with a bit of frostbite.
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I think the final push was when I whimsically stuck a spare grave decoration bouquet in the emerging lilies rather than throw it away on Memorial day.
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Plastic flowers weren't enough so I began a project to weed out the garden border and found some packets of mixed wildflowers to plant. At this time there was a big run on garden plants due to covid-19 as many people turned to gardening while under quarantine so live plants were hard to find for a while. Here is the border at an early stage.
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And later, a little out of sequence, sorry.
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That's the first bed. More later. I took a lot of photos this summer.





Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 16, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
Midwestmutt, Postimage is easy to use and gives good quality. The collages were made separately on PicCollage on my iPad and loaded as photos.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 16, 2020, 03:16:26 PM
The orange/ red sunflowers are wonderful! Our plot is situated so that any sunflowers I’ve had were always “looking” towards the neighbors :) We felled a tree this autumn and there will be room for a new bed, there they would be looking in the street. Maybe I will try again!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on September 18, 2020, 12:04:31 AM
I don't have enough light falling anywhere for a mirror, either.  Lettuce is one of the crops I've been trying & failing to grow.  I could try growing lemon balm, especially as I know the council has beehives scattered around the city centre, including atop Town Hall.  I've never used it for my own ingestion, but it could benefit the bees.
I have checked out grow lights from local suppliers, and quite aside from their nudge-nudge wink-wink assumptions about what *ahem* crop I want to grow, even the smallest LED item costs :kr: :kr:  It'd be far cheaper to get my veg from a grocery store. 
I guess I have to face that I have no space (approx 2sqm balcony, a little strip of kitchen countertop, no windowsills), and I have no light.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: thorny on September 18, 2020, 12:11:35 AM
I have checked out grow lights from local suppliers, and quite aside from their nudge-nudge wink-wink assumptions about what *ahem* crop I want to grow, even the smallest LED item costs

Get a standard LED or flourescent. Much cheaper. [ETA: and unlikely to give rise to snickers.] Won't give you enough light for some crops to fruit, but will give enough for quite a lot to grow leaves.

Rig them so the lights are almost on top of the plants, just a couple of inches above the top leaves, and can be raised as plants grow. A lot of the fixtures available around here can be hung from chains with hooks; the hooks can be moved up the chain.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: moredhel on September 22, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Potatoes

Today I harvested potatoes. A few months ago my son asked if we can try to plant two leftover potatoes from the kitchen. Without any garden, we put it into a planting pot on our balcony and now after some watering and waiting we have potatoes. The yellow sort did produce tiny potatoes. Maybe it is not suittable for planting pots, the red one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_potato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_potato)) did better.

(https://moredhel.is-a-geek.net/kartoffeln.jpg)

We will not eat the poisonous one at the right. This one grew half outside the soil. It is half green and grows a new little plant. My son decided to plant it into a new pot to find out if it will survive the winter in our flat.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 22, 2020, 11:43:11 AM
Potatoes! Boil ‘em, mash ‘em, stick ‘em in the stew!

You got some real nice pink ones! And how wonderful that your son is interested in such things, and wants to experiment and take care os his plants! Do let us know if it survives.

We got a large bowl of potatoes one year when I found sometime in the summer (after Midsummer definitely but I think it was WELL after Midsummer) that there were a few ex-potatoes in the fridge from Christmas. The tubers were shriveled and the roots and shoots were over 15 cm long, but they appeared dead. So they went into the gardening compost heap. Sometime late September I noticed that the plants growing vigorously on top of the compost looked very much like potato plants. And indeed, the shriveled starts had grown and produced any beautiful taters :) They weren’t planted or anything, just thrown into the heap, and I guess something was thrown on top soon after that.

It would be interesting to know what potatoes become like if left on their own for, say, 90 years. Would they still grow? I think the tubers would be smaller but still harvestable, but this is just a hunch. Róisín, would you happen to know? Some potatoes are widely grown in home gardens in Finland so it would seem like a plausible addition to the teams rations.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: moredhel on September 22, 2020, 12:55:12 PM
90 years are long. Normally you avoid growing potatoes for yeasr in the same spot because organisms like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globodera_rostochiensis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globodera_rostochiensis) or other parasites could multiply there easily and only a few potatoes will survive. Maybe the winters in Finland would be cold enough to eliminate the nematodes. But the Winters in Finland could eliminate the potatoes too.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on September 22, 2020, 08:04:10 PM
We got a large bowl of potatoes one year when I found sometime in the summer (after Midsummer definitely but I think it was WELL after Midsummer) that there were a few ex-potatoes in the fridge from Christmas. The tubers were shriveled and the roots and shoots were over 15 cm long, but they appeared dead. So they went into the gardening compost heap. Sometime late September I noticed that the plants growing vigorously on top of the compost looked very much like potato plants. And indeed, the shriveled starts had grown and produced any beautiful taters :) They weren’t planted or anything, just thrown into the heap, and I guess something was thrown on top soon after that.

Around here, some people grow potatoes entirely without soil. Dump some seaweed, eelgrass, straw, etc. on the ground (often rock!), chuck your seed potatoes on, dump more stuff on top, keep adding as they grow. They do just fine, thanks, and it's really easy to poke in and steal a few little new potatoes before you're ready for the final harvest.

As for whether they'd survive in the wild for long, I'm not sure. moredhel has a good point re pests, and I'm pretty sure they'd die out once they got shaded by re-growing trees.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Keep Looking on September 22, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
When I was younger one time I think we grew potatoes in tires? You'd stack the tires on top of each other and fill it with dirt and compost and put the seed potatoes in there, but I think sometimes you would stack another tire on top? I can't remember very well, I was quite small.

I do gotta say though, grubbing for potatoes in your vegetable garden, sticking your hands in the dirt and digging up the potatoes - it's very fun.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: midwestmutt on September 23, 2020, 10:23:37 AM
So having put in one bed of flowers and still under shelter at home restrictions I decided to beautify other areas of the yard. Here on the east side of the garage I put in some store bought sunflowers and some contrasting red flowers whose name escapes me as the ID placard blew away in a big storm.
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Long established catnip grows in several parts of the yard for our kitties over the years.
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The east side of the house has the most variety
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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: moredhel on September 23, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
When I was younger one time I think we grew potatoes in tires? You'd stack the tires on top of each other and fill it with dirt and compost and put the seed potatoes in there, but I think sometimes you would stack another tire on top? I can't remember very well, I was quite small.

You remeber it correctly. It is useful to put enother tire on top and fill it with compost. The plant the grows a long stem under the soil. Under best conditions the plants will produce potatoes on the completet subterran part of the stem. The longer it is the more potatoes you get.

I do gotta say though, grubbing for potatoes in your vegetable garden, sticking your hands in the dirt and digging up the potatoes - it's very fun.

Big fun even in a planting pot. Next year i will try to grow my favourite sort (Belana). Great potato and it seems to rise my blood sugar a little less than other potatoes.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 23, 2020, 01:23:32 PM
Midwestmutt, I think the red ones are Impatiens, also known as busy Lizzie :)

Are the orange ones with the white and pink cosmos also cosmos? (Cosmoses??). Cosmos are very beautiful but I’ve never had them except for a chocolate cosmos I bought as a plant for one of my big pots last summer, or maybe the one before that.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 24, 2020, 02:09:21 AM
Jitter, I do know, and the answer is that it varies, depending on a number of factors, including soil, climate, potato variety, and whether your potato plants were grown vegetatively (from a tuber with ‘eyes’ which are buds that give rise to new plants which are genetically much the same as the parent plant - basically clones), or from actual seeds, which can be found in those pretty, sweet-tasting and highly poisonous berries that sometimes follow the flowers on potato plants. I must emphasise: do not eat the berries, or leave them anywhere that children or pets can get at them. When I say poisonous I mean that potato berries are similar in their effects to the berries of the related Belladonna or deadly nightshade, perhaps with a little less sedation and more gut and liver symptoms, because there is more solanine and solasodine in potato berries.

However, those nasty berries are useful because they contain seeds. The seeds are small, flat and kidney-shaped, rather like those of the related tomato or capsicum. Growing any plant from seeds rather than from cuttings, offshoots or clone buds gives you much more genetic variability among the offspring, especially if the seeds have been fertilised by pollen from a different potato variety. That is how new varieties of potato are developed.

So growing potatoes from actual seeds, rather than from the sprouting tubers that are sold as ‘seed potatoes’ is very much a lottery. You may get something very like the parent, or a wonderful new variety, but most likely the result will not be amazing. Sigh. (Says the person who has been trying for decades to breed another blight-resistant potato.) what you will quite often get is a reversion to the ancestral wild potato, which is tough, hardy, a good groundcover, about as frost resistant as any potato gets, and which produces tubers about the size of a smallish walnut. I eat mine but they are not the most delicious of spuds. I mostly grow them and allow them to flower so as to have pollen for my experiments, because the ancestral potato is resistant to many of the diseases that afflict modern hybrids.

The ones that are sold as ‘certified seed potatoes’ are ones that have been specifically grown in an environment free of the common potato diseases and pests, and/or are resistant to such, so usually safer to grow from, though if a spud sprouts in my cupboard I will usually plant it.

As for the potatoes in forsaken gardens, I have lots of experience with those, including while poking about in old ruins in the Central Victorian Goldfields area, where one of my sons now has a farm, plus abandoned gardens and farms in Gippsland and the Snowies. As I may have mentioned, I lived for some years in Walhalla, a ghost town in the part of Gippsland that runs up into the foothills of the Snowy Mountains, while I helped a mate restore and reopen an old gold mine. Back in the day, Walhalla was quite a big regional town, partly because of the gold rush, partly from timber getting and farming in the surrounding areas. Having the railway also helped. But early to mid last century the railway closed, the easily accessible gold ran out, (still plenty there but hard and dangerous to get - much of the area has terrain you can fall off and underground water very close to the surface), and the place went from a roaring town big enough to have three breweries, more than a dozen pubs, lots of shops, a fancy bandstand and several suburbs to a ghost town with a population of seventeen.

So when I wasn’t down the mine or exploring/prospecting, one of the things I used to do was poke about the gardens of the old abandoned miners’ cottages. I found all manner of fascinating stuff, much of which I transplanted to the gardens of the surviving population in Walhalla itself or in nearby Mormontown and Maidentown, or shared with another mate who was a hermit at Coppermines. I found pæonies, lilies and all manner of other flowers, and took cuttings of old apple, pear and mulberry varieties to graft onto trees in the town. I foraged for vegetables, finding not only many kinds of potatoes but carrots, kale, cucurbits, spinach, parsnips, and transferred roots, tubers or seeds to the gardens of the town. We ate well considering that the nearest shops were 40k/26 miles away. Many of those potatoes were varieties I knew, unchanged and growing from the old days, some were types I had never seen. All good.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on September 24, 2020, 02:40:31 AM
Keep Looking, moredhel and Vulpes, I know about growing spuds in old car tyres (one of my sons uses big tractor tyres). It works but mine seem to do better in the ground or in raised beds. The drainage needs to be perfect to avoid blight and other fungal diseases. My gran used to grow potatoes in and under layers of seaweed. They tasted good and were mostly disease free. Keep, I meant to ask: in WA, do people still call that process of grubbing around the edges of the potato plants for tiny sweet new potatoes ‘bandicooting’?

I find starting a new potato bed to be a great way to convert unwanted lawn or rough grass into productive food garden. First I put down fertiliser on the grass, water it in and put down a layer of mixed straw and shredded paper or cardboard, with seaweed if I can only get some, on top of that and water it in. On top of that I lay out seed potatoes three or four to a square metre, and add another layer of straw, shredded paper and a bit of compost, building up the layers as the potato haulms (vines) grow so the stems are partly buried. When the vines die back at the end of summer I harvest the spuds, saving some to plant on the next patch of grass, add more mulch and fertiliser to the patch of ground, and plant the reclaimed patch with cabbages, broccoli or kale that winter. Good way to turn lawn or weeds to food garden. Jerusalem artichokes/sunchokes can be grown the same way.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on September 24, 2020, 06:46:20 AM
Thank you Róisín! I knew  you'd know! And the story is again fascinating! Thank you :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Keep Looking on September 24, 2020, 08:34:24 AM
Keep, I meant to ask: in WA, do people still call that process of grubbing around the edges of the potato plants for tiny sweet new potatoes ‘bandicooting’?

I don't know for certain whether people use the term 'bandicooting' frequently or not, but it definitely sounds familiar - I must have heard it somewhere! So - maybe.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on November 23, 2020, 05:53:24 PM
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An Attempt is being made at growing jicama on my office windowsill.  Our growing season is too short and wet to grow them properly, but I also cannot buy them, even in the Asian produce shops.  3 of 7 germinated and gotten to this stage, we'll see how we are come June or July, when they should be ready to harvest.  I haven't quite figured out what I'll do about the fact that they're climbing vines!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on November 24, 2020, 03:24:31 AM
Cool, Wavewright! Maybe you could set up a decorative trellis to shade your window as well as to give the plants something to climb on? I will be very interested to see how they go in pots.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on November 24, 2020, 06:32:02 PM
I hope I get to that stage - 2 of them are developing yellow spots already on their leaves.   :onni: :( :siv: :'(  I'm going to let them dry out pretty well, but we'll see.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 08, 2021, 07:44:44 PM
We have recently bought an almost 120 year old house, and at least @SkyWhalePod has asked to see what it looks like. Today I took some spring pictures so here you go.

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Wood anemones!

A huge picture dump under the cut to save browsing effort

Spoiler: spring has sprung • show


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Please disregard the current building supplies

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There are also building supplies from the previous owner, and the ones before them...

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I was wondering and even worried that there are no rowans on the entire plot, but there are!

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Some assembly required

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There are some apparent flowerbeds, but no flowers in them

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Rampant gooseberries (I think)

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Wood anemones again! I love them

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Which is good, as there are loads

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There are also a lot of what I hope will be columbines (aquilegias)

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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Opaque on May 08, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Oh wow! What a cute house! All the greenery is so soothing. Those tall trees are amazing! Do you know how old they are? They're lovely. <3
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Keep Looking on May 08, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
Oh, wow, Jitter, this is such a lovely place! And the garden has so much space, I hope you guys have a good time making something out of it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 09, 2021, 12:15:08 AM
Wow! What are those pink flowers among the wood anemones? And are those celandines (the ones you thought might be aquilegias. Our aquilegias are much more fine-leaved and lacy.)? The way to tell is to break a leaf and look at the colour of the sap . It is orange for chelidonium. Are there any snowdrops or lily of the valley? It also looks like the kind of place where hellebore might grow? Or foxgloves?

And those empty flower beds might be a nice place to scatter seed of poppies, sweet alyssum, cosmos and other annual pretties. Do you plan on a vegetable garden? I see you already have nettles, and they are good for the soil as well as being useful in themselves. And you could plant Bellis perennis in the lawn, maybe? If you don’t have the wild species you could maybe find the garden ornamentals, which are bred to be bigger and showier, but the wilding is prettier to my eyes and much more use for medicine and protective magic. Anent which, I am so glad that you have rowans! I need to grow another, because my old tree was part of the house wards, and it was struck by lightning a year or two ago. 
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on May 09, 2021, 09:01:36 AM
Oh wow, Jitter, that's a lovely place! I am terribly envious of your wood anemones, they wouldn't survive here. I have some crocuses and glory-of-the-snow that are meant to naturalize, but it hasn't been long enough to know if they're going to spread, or die out. It looks like a beautiful mature garden. And a rowan, hurrah! Your rowan (Sorbus aucuparia, I assume) isn't native here, but there are a couple on campus. Beautiful trees. The native rowans (S. americana and S. decora) are usually called mountain ash, or here in Newfoundland, dogberry, and they grow all over the place. They're among my favourite trees.

I had a minor indoor gardening success - I grew cherry tomatoes! On a lark, I planted a determinate variety suited for container gardening in late December. They germinated, and grew, and bloomed, at which point I had to play bee. To my surprise that worked, and they formed fruit. Last week I noticed something orange...

Spoiler: orange thing! • show

(https://i.imgur.com/LfDNYA3.jpg)

I was thoroughly surprised and delighted, but I figured they'd fall off before they ripened.

Spoiler: The Harvest • show

(https://i.imgur.com/sIbid3W.jpg)

There will be more... but not that many more.  :'D
So, not exactly a bounteous harvest after 4 months, but it was still really satisfying to have super-tasty cherry tomatoes! The ones from the store are kind of carboard-y, so I don't buy them.

Our house is pretty tiny, so the only place to cram in a shelf for plants is the back porch/laundry room.

Spoiler: Indoor garden, tiny cottage style • show

(https://i.imgur.com/A9QpAVm.jpg)

The plexiglass is not a covid-19 safety precaution!  :))  One of the cats likes chewing on pretty much any plant, so I had to keep him off the shelf - he really likes chives, and alliums are bad for cats.

I have seedlings started that I'll plant outside next month. Looking forward to full-on gardening season!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on May 09, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Not just alliums either. Tomato leaves, while they smell lovely and contain a natural antibiotic substance, are not safe to eat. Solanine.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on May 09, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
Not just alliums either. Tomato leaves, while they smell lovely and contain a natural antibiotic substance, are not safe to eat. Solanine.

Oh yes, pretty much everything on that shelf is bad for cats! Thus the plexiglass. He has his own houseplant-sized pineapple plant (those are safe!) that he chews and licks as a displacement activity when he's waiting for his meals. I was looking after it for a friend, she didn't want it back...
Spoiler: i have no idea why not! • show

(https://i.imgur.com/7TO7kyo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: SkyWhalePod on May 09, 2021, 10:43:55 AM
We have recently bought an almost 120 year old house, and at least @SkyWhalePod has asked to see what it looks like.

Yay :D That's such a wonderful, cheerful color. And a nice big garden! It all looks very homey, you guys (and your builders) did a great job fixing it up.

This might be a silly American question, but it occurred to me one day when Minna was sharing images of Finnish country homes on Twitch: why are there sturdy ladders attached to all of these houses? Is it to make it easier to remove snow from the roof? There are plenty of places here in the US that still get dumped on every winter -- Maine is sometimes one of those places, although less frequently thanks to climate change -- but I've never seen anybody with a ladder, let alone a ladder that looks like it means business, built onto the house. . . .

Very nice indoor tomatoes, Vulpes. :D I like your laundry room setup, and your cat-distracting pineapple plant. I didn't know that pineapple plants were safe for cats!

I live in an apartment with very little sunlight except in the summer, in the afternoon, so my gardening is done strictly indoors under lamps. I recently upgraded from a low-intensity purple lamp to a brighter white LED grow light, and my ragtag variety of scraps and seedlings are eating it up! I'll try to get a picture in later.
Title: Re: The Gardening ThreadF
Post by: Jitter on May 09, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Yay :D That's such a wonderful, cheerful color. And a nice big garden! It all looks very homey, you guys (and your builders) did a great job fixing it up.

This might be a silly American question, but it occurred to me one day when Minna was sharing images of Finnish country homes on Twitch: why are there sturdy ladders attached to all of these houses?


All of the fixing visible from the outside is so far done by the previous owners. We have demoed the upstairs from the inside to the inner surface of the yellow wall, and are in the process of building it back up :) With better insulation, while still using traditional and breathable materials, etc. and making a better floor plan upstairs - there were very many small and weird cabinets and tiny spaces there, plus one boarded up kitchen!

On the outside we’ll need to paint the roof and work on the windows - some are from the 1970’s and are not in harmony with the house, and just yesterday we found out that at least one of them is hanging basically by positive thinking, the wood part is rotted through. The older windows are original and they also require some love, but are apparently in a fairly good condition at the moment.

As for the ladders, there are two reasons. Firstly, if you have a fireplace (and practically all country houses and holiday cottages, as well as most one-family dwellings even in cities, do) you have to have the chimneys sweeped every year. And the sweeper will only do it if it’s safe, which means a fixed ladder and also there have to be even walking surfaces on the roof, called “roof bridges”.

Secondly, the upstairs must have an emergency exit, i.e. an openable window of sufficient size with access to a safe ladder. This has applied to new built for decades, not since early 1900’s though :) But as long as the ladder is there anyway, it makes sense to arrange a way of getting to it.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 09, 2021, 06:18:10 PM
Róisín, in the first picture of what I called hopefully aquilegias is probably actually wall lettuce and indeed a celandine on top of each other. And I agree, in these pictures at least it’s celandine flowers. Still hoping for some aquilegias too! They often occur in old gardens. Well, if there aren’t any now, there will be later!

Foxgloves are also common in old gardens, but the previous owners had small children. So I would have not let them grow, although there are rusty nails in the ground in abundance so maybe they were not the most safety-oriented? I haven’t noticed any at least yet though. Loads of lily of the valley coming up!

The pale pink flower is probably a candytuft, it grows in several spots. We also have a lot of blue anemones (I don’t like their actual name liverwort) but those are gone by now. Tulips are coming up in several places, but only a couple of scillas. I hope to make some small bulbs naturalize in the “lawn” and bellis would be beautiful too! I also managed to notice a peony that was growing among the grass at the edge of the driveway, and had already been driven over a couple of times! Now it’s been moved to a safer location, and will be joined by some sprouts from my most beloved peonies in my old garden when we move.

As for the trees, we definitely have oaks, limes (tilia, not the fruit), maples, one walnut (not the edible one) which is unfortunately in a terrible condition, and a couple of birches (surprisingly few!) along with the pines and spruces. I haven’t recognized all the trees yet with there being no leaves! One of the trees does have leaves already, I think it is a bird cherry but will know for sure when it flowers.

All the rowans are small, someone has felled a few good sized ones but they are sprouting now and new seedlings are around. I’m also thinking whether we should transplant one rowan from this current plot into the new one, and will also take an oak sapling (this old garden has only one proper size oak, but squirrels hide acorns very dutifully so lots of oak saplings). It would feel good to have a tree or two from this garden, as we have built this house we are now leaving.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on May 10, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
Róisín, sorry, it’s not candytuft but pennycress. Got confused.

Also identified one of the biggest trees as an elm.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on May 10, 2021, 06:52:43 PM
I didn't know that pineapple plants were safe for cats!

Nor did I, but when he started destroying my friend's plant, I looked it up, and it's fine. I mentioned it to someone who asked me to be their SPCA reference to adopt a cat (I'm godparent to a dog and a cat from the SPCA now!) and they said they had a cat years ago that adored pineapple, as in, the fruit, not the leaves. Cats are always full of surprises!

As for the ladders, there are two reasons. Firstly, if you have a fireplace (and practically all country houses and holiday cottages, as well as most one-family dwellings even in cities, do) you have to have the chimneys sweeped every year. And the sweeper will only do it if it’s safe, which means a fixed ladder and also there have to be even walking surfaces on the roof, called “roof bridges”.

Secondly, the upstairs must have an emergency exit, i.e. an openable window of sufficient size with access to a safe ladder. This has applied to new built for decades, not since early 1900’s though :) But as long as the ladder is there anyway, it makes sense to arrange a way of getting to it.

Huh. Finland is waaaaay more safety-minded than anywhere I've lived in Canada! At present we live in a (mostly) winterized cabin with a very steep roof, and I'm sure the sweep hates us. The first time he came he looked up at the roof and said, "Oh yeah, I remember this place." He's the only sweep around. No ladder, no roof bridges, just a dangerously steep roof. And there is no requirement for second story emergency exits - I believe there do have to be windows large enough to get through, but no requirement of a ladder, not even a rope one stored inside. In fact, I'm more familiar with the advice to never have a ladder accessible anywhere outside your home lest someone use it to break in! Although when you think about it, that doesn't make a great deal of sense - why in heck would you climb up an unstable extension ladder to a second story window, even assuming it's unlocked, when you could much less conspicuously smash a ground floor window? Hm, this probably tells us something about the Finnish vs North American psyche, but I'm not sure what.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Alkia on May 11, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
I'm a bit late to the discussion, but I just had to chime in: Jitter, your new house is so beautiful, and it's garden equally so!!!!!! I absolutely love that color yellow (house color envy! arg!) and some of the pictures of all the flowers around almost look like something out of a fairtale :0

Also, Vulpes, I like your small but tasty tomatoes :>. We have a cherry tomato plant in the backyard, it usually grows by itself without much tending, although our harvest is also pretty small
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on June 05, 2021, 01:45:35 PM
I was gardening last night at the old house, and it seems we were late to leave it! I got the Rash from there! 😱 Photo to prove this is here: https://i.postimg.cc/NFWxbFZX/AF5-BA7-E7-4488-4-DDF-9-CD0-B8-B5-CC875138.jpg (photo of the skin of my upper back, showing about 5000 mosquito bites).

I suppose it was kind of fair that I got attacked by insects, since I destroyed several of their cities. Ants had built nests in all of big planters, ehich I had to empty to move them here. Also I got loads and loads of saplings and bits from perennial flowers I divided! I did some heavy duty weeding (dandelion, why u so pretty an so annoying? Kinda like an Icelander we know and love!) while I was at it, and the irises were due to be divided anyways, so it was a win-win situation. Except for my back, that is.

The new garden is just  :sparkle: :sparkle: :sparkle: I have taken the dogs out to the garden on two mornings now and oh so lovely! We are having wonderful weather at the moment too.

Here are some prettier pictures from the new garden:
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Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Vulpes on June 05, 2021, 07:52:18 PM
Oh wow, Jitter, that's a lot of mozzie bites! I hope you have plenty of anti-itch cream of some sort. So nice that you could bring some old plant friends with you, not so nice that it cost you some blood. What a gorgeous yard, I envy you the big trees.

We went from vaguely sort of spring-ish to full summer in one day, which is what it tends to do around here. Suddenly the garden is very green, with ferns shooting up (is that why they call it spring?) and the gosh-darn grass needs mowing already.  >:(  My vegetables are nearly all in, and some stuff that I planted earlier is up. Such a great time of year!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Opaque on June 05, 2021, 08:31:27 PM
Ouch! That rash must be annoying. At least it dosen't look too bad though and will be gone soon enough. The pictures of the trees and flowers are wonderful! It looks so nice there.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Keep Looking on June 05, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
Oh, wow, that is a lot of mozzie bites! I genuinely did not know you could get that many. Also, your garden looks absolutely lovely!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Jitter on June 06, 2021, 04:02:59 AM
Oh, wow, that is a lot of mozzie bites! I genuinely did not know you could get that many.

Neither did I! I have never ever gotten so many before. But I was bending down for the plants wearing a thin shirt, and this is a particularly bad mozzie year I hear. And then I think there must have been several instances of one of them getting inside my shirt and then getting interrupted by my movements and therefore restarting over and over... Also, I got stormed by the ants (deservedly, sorry ants). Srill, this is very exceptional. I think I actually had some temperature during the night caused by them. But, It’s not like we live in the Midgewater Marshes :)

Luckily the allergy medicine I have alleviates also mozzie bite itch, so they are much better now. It also helps I can’t reach them, as scratching only prolongs the reaction :)

Man of the plants are stil waiting to go to the ground, there’s so much to do! And here I am, procrastinating talking about it rather than doing :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Annuil on June 06, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
Ew-ew-ew, Jitter, that must itch! I bet that causes discomfort to you! Hope it heals soon :))
Your garden is so lovely! You’re even making me homesick with those pics, though it’s not a bad feeling. It reminds me a lot about the type of nature we used to live in in the north of Russia (we lived some 10 hours away from the Finnish border, and that region is similar in nature, though we have less lakes).
Here in Michigan everything is green and growing with the temperature of 30 degrees (C) in the shade 8) o_O
We have planted a field of potatoes but went on a vacation for almost three weeks and returned to a field of extremely thorny plants! We had to weed the whole thing with the potatoes and then just mow whatever part didn’t have anything planted in it.
We spent three nights on that field, every night returning home with all the limbs soooo itchy from those pocky plants!.. it was a nightmare! But thankfully it is done and the potatoes are already billed, most of the vegetables planted. Watermelons, cantaloupes and stuff like that are still waiting for their turn, but at least we have a start. And thank God we don’t have mosquitoes or flies here! But we do have ants.
I’ve spent some time walking around the house with the anti-ant spray and killed their colonies (also sorry ants, but we can’t live on the same territory with you  :'D).
And another problem in Michigan is deer and rabbits! They eat everything, so a garden without a fence is no use. In the matter of a night everything you plant will be eaten, so that also takes so time to deal with. I’ll add a few pics of those thorns here, they aren’t on my device at the moment.
So, these are my garden adventures.  :reynir:
Edit: the pics of those thorny things...
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsSnHPIBASO_3E0Nfr0UhPpwfjTT
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 07, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Those spiky plants look like some kind of thistle or maybe wild lettuce? Where are the spikes exactly on the leaf: all over, down the middle of the underside of the leaf, or just on the edges? The reason I ask is that many of the thistle family plants have uses, including most best poultry food, some are edible for horses and  cows, a few are edible or medicinal for humans or have other uses, whereas some can be poisonous. Also some kinds can be destroyed by mowing, while others need the root grubbed up to stop them spreading. I can’t make out enough detail from the picture but if you put up a more detailed photo of a leaf and a single plant I can likely tell you what it is. Also if you do use them for something, don’t get any potato leaves mixed up with them because those are very poisonous.

 Anent the deer and rabbits: if you don’t hunt them for food, I tried various other things when I lived in places where they were a pest. I did hunt, and the deer in particular avoided the yard if I had a deerskin drying on the porch rail.  They also avoided areas where I had put down blood-and-bone fertiliser. One of my friends tried various recorded noises and found that the best results were from a fairly quiet recording of normal background noises for the tiny bush town where we lived interspersed with sudden random loud noises such as a dog sharply barking or snarling, gun firing, car backfiring, door slamming or a loud yell. The randomness was important as was making it a long enough tape that the sounds didn’t repeat in an obvious pattern - deer are smarter than you might think!
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: catbirds on June 07, 2021, 01:02:56 AM
Jitter, wow, VERY pretty garden, and a very unfortunate mozzie situation... (what a cute word for them!)

I think garlic is good for keeping mosquitos away for a bit, but I'm not sure! It miiight be a good idea to try it next time considering your situation, though I'm not sure how it works!

Annuil, cool field! It's unfortunate that it got overgrown by some other plant, but good that you managed to save it. That amount of potatoes looks like it'll last a while. Or will it? I'm not that familiar with potato volumes. Hope you get to planting the Fun Fruit soon, though!

Sometimes I'm happy that I live in a city. There's a bit less Garden to Garden, but at least there aren't bugs eyeing my back and deer eyeing my plants :)
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: wavewright62 on June 07, 2021, 04:56:31 AM
I *do* live in the middle of a city, and whilst I don't have large-format fauna issues, I have a suspiciously large population of green sucky bugs-things and whitefly, and even cabbage looper caterpillars!  I suspect they came in with the plants I bought last year, rather than descending upon my tiny balcony from ...I have no idea wherefrom.  The nearest community vegetable garden I know about is some kms away.  I can't see *any* plants on any of the other balconies of my apartment building (although I can't see the north side), even.  The nearest park has some grass, low shrubs and one humongous oak tree.
We don't get much of a freeze here (it might get to 0C once a winter) so I am doing my best with oil and manual squashing, and next season will plant seeds instead of buying plants.
On the plus side - very very few mozzies in the inner city, at least not last summer.  Many sympathies to you Jitter, but your garden rewards your work.
Annuil, I fondly remember the hexagenia hatch about this time of year up your way - BIG dragonfly things coming off the river!  Summer in MI is blessed.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Róisín on June 07, 2021, 06:37:53 AM
I remember the Hexagenia hatch! Pretty, weird and the best bait for trout! They are actually a kind of giant mayfly, and typically for their kind only live for a day as adults, and don’t actually eat at all once they have wings, living only to mate and lay eggs.
Title: Re: The Gardening Thread
Post by: Annuil on June 07, 2021, 08:19:54 AM
Thanks, guys! catbirds, that potato field might last us a winter, maybe leas than that. We always cultivated potatoes back in Russia for winter and such a field was about enough for a family.
Róisín, I think those are thistles, though I’m not that great at knowing the names of the plants. They have spikes by the edge of the leaf and also on the trunk. They bloom with purple flowers (but we usually don’t let them bloom, because if they do we lose the game :'D they’ll give seeds and cover everything else around, what wasn’t covered yet).
Also, thanks for the tips about the deer! People do hunt them on the property where the field is, so the animals there are rather shy, more shy than in the town (yeah, we have deer on the main streets sometimes). And we have a fence, for now it works.

Huh, that is very interesting, I know about the Hexagrnia hatch, we also enjoy trout and salmon fishing here in MI, however I don’t know which time of year exactly they come up. In Russian they are called “falling ones”, since when they hatch they fly up and fall down, fly up and fall down, as their mating dance.