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Worlds and Stories => SSSS & ARTD Board => Topic started by: Yuuago on August 03, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
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It looks like SSSS will soon have an official French translation in print, via Akileos.
Akileos tweeted about it and other comics that it will soon be publishing: here (https://twitter.com/Akileos/status/1023218539002572800).
And there is also a short announcement about it over here (http://www.9emeart.fr/post/news/comics/le-webcomic-stand-still-stay-silent-bientot-publie-en-version-papier-chez-akileos-9216) which includes the date the BD will be released:
Pour lire l'album en français il faudra normalement attendre le 16 octobre prochain chez Akileos !
So, it looks like French-speaking fans will be able to enjoy the comic en français in October.
Is anybody planning to get their hands on it? (Please do tell what you think of the translation, if you do). Are there other official translations that you guys would especially want to see?
(Mods please feel free to move/split/merge according to your judgment, I didn't see a previous topic about this but who knows.)
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I'm not that far from Paris and a chain bookstore that may have it, and the shipping costs were a factor in me not getting a print version, so I may be tempted.
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Are there other official translations that you guys would especially want to see?
A Nordic translation, where everyone speaks their own language! I dunno how to solve the dreamworld language in that version but yep, that's what I would like to see!
Then we'd finally get an answer to if Sigrun speaks bokmål or nynorsk
I'd get that even if I wouldn't understand much of the Icelandic and even less of the Finnish because omg it'd be so fun!
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I'm not that far from Paris and a chain bookstore that may have it, and the shipping costs were a factor in me not getting a print version, so I may be tempted.
That's totally understandable. : ) I think there are probably a lot of people in such a position... the shipping was pretty expensive.
I wonder if the BD will be available in ebook version as well, similar to how there is an ebook for the original English edition... I'd like to read the French version (well, attempt to read) but not interested enough to pay for the print version.
A Nordic translation, where everyone speaks their own language!
This would be neat. : ) It might work well as an electronic edition, where you could mouseover the dialogue to get a translation of the text. (Obviously not something that will ever happen, but eh, if we could dream.)
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A Nordic translation, where everyone speaks their own language! I dunno how to solve the dreamworld language in that version but yep, that's what I would like to see!
Then we'd finally get an answer to if Sigrun speaks bokmål or nynorsk
I'd get that even if I wouldn't understand much of the Icelandic and even less of the Finnish because omg it'd be so fun!
Were there people working on this a while ago? I think I remember stumbling over something like this one time when I was first exploring the forum.
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yeah, we were some people trying to do a fanlation like that, but it's not the same as an official translation :P
I don't actually know what happened with that or if another group restarted the project at a later time or something... I got overexcited and started too many projects back then and then rushed straight into a wall and haven't dared look back at all the projects from back then :$
I keep doing that same mistake every time I find myself with energy to spare.... When will I learn?
Fanlations are not quite the topic here though so uh, I'm just gonna crawl back under my rock now and hope someone else can actually fill you in on that!
To be more on topic:
I got really excited about the French version, not because I know any french but we have SO MANY minnions in the chat who are learning French so I got all excited about this on their account!
Hoping to one day see this book in SF-bokhandeln here in Sweden as well, but since all Swedes know english we don't really need a translated version (although I would 100% buy a Swedish version of it as well!).
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Were there people working on this a while ago? I think I remember stumbling over something like this one time when I was first exploring the forum.
There is, in the Language Board. P___ was looking into putting one together.
It looks like SSSS will soon have an official French translation in print, via Akileos.
Akileos tweeted about it and other comics that it will soon be publishing: here (https://twitter.com/Akileos/status/1023218539002572800).
And there is also a short announcement about it over here (http://www.9emeart.fr/post/news/comics/le-webcomic-stand-still-stay-silent-bientot-publie-en-version-papier-chez-akileos-9216) which includes the date the BD will be released:
So, it looks like French-speaking fans will be able to enjoy the comic en français in October.
Is anybody planning to get their hands on it? (Please do tell what you think of the translation, if you do). Are there other official translations that you guys would especially want to see?
(Mods please feel free to move/split/merge according to your judgment, I didn't see a previous topic about this but who knows.)
I don't know if the project started in the thread I mentioned above is related to this translation in any way, so I reckon we leave this thread here.
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Is anybody planning to get their hands on it?
I did not yet check whether Akileos does online ordering, so ... maybe. Shipping within the EU ought to be affordable ...
Are there other official translations that you guys would especially want to see?
I've once watched a Chinese movie that "made use" of the fact that there exists a wide variety of dialects of Chinese, and had been dubbed into (somewhat more mutually understandable) dialects of German so as not to lose that effect in translation. Given that semi- and impermeable language barriers are a central topic of SSSS and readers may IMHO be more often multidialectic in their native language than multilingual (much less with a combination of languages that can be predicted), I'ld be interested in such an experiment ...
"Cologne-bred" Chinese: "Lern' eets ens rischtisch spreche!"
"Bavarian" Chinese: "Wos is?!?"
I dunno how to solve the dreamworld language in that version
Leave the dreamspeech in English, then. The readers should mostly either be Nordics, or heavily multilingual, which means that most of them will understand it.
Were there people working on this a while ago?
Ummmmhhhhhhh (https://ssssforum.com/thingies/comictranslation.php) ... :-\
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Ummmmhhhhhhh (https://ssssforum.com/thingies/comictranslation.php) ... :-\
That's a really neat looking site! The only language option is English, so I'm guessing this was in preparation for inputting translations into the text bubbles?
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I've once watched a Chinese movie that "made use" of the fact that there exists a wide variety of dialects of Chinese, and had been dubbed into (somewhat more mutually understandable) dialects of German so as not to lose that effect in translation. Given that semi- and impermeable language barriers are a central topic of SSSS and readers may IMHO be more often multidialectic in their native language than multilingual (much less with a combination of languages that can be predicted), I'ld be interested in such an experiment ...
"Cologne-bred" Chinese: "Lern' eets ens rischtisch spreche!"
"Bavarian" Chinese: "Wos is?!?"
It's funny that you mention this, because I once found myself wondering what an anime adaptation of SSSS moving the setting to Asia with Japan playing the role of Iceland would look like, and I promptly picked regions of China with different dialects as the counterparts to the Scandinavian trio (don't know enough about Chinese dialects to know how possible this is, of if there would be a better choice in the region though). Never dwelled on it long enough to figure out who "Finland" would be.
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That's a really neat looking site! The only language option is English, so I'm guessing this was in preparation for inputting translations into the text bubbles?
Yes, the idea was to gather the original (English) text (as text, rather than pixels in part of the image) and the position/shape/size of the speech bubbles as basic data into a central tool so that, when people added translations later on, we could have the tool display the original comic images with bubbles with auto-layouted translated text overlain onto them, thus avoiding the "fit the translation into the page" workload striking for every single target language again.
Then the discussion about using a separate tool to do the actual translation work began (such tools come with features like giving translators lists of previously-used translations of terms and idioms so that the translated text will have better internal continuity) and AFAIK we never got nailed down which one to use and how to provide APIs to make the two tools exchange the texts (which requires persistent IDing of text snippets so as not to allow errors in which bubble of sound effect is supposed to receive an update) ...
(don't know enough about Chinese dialects to know how possible this is, of if there would be a better choice in the region though).
I know pretty much squat of non-European languages in general, but I'm under the impression that, while randomly selected dialects of Chinese are quite likely to be close to complete gibberish to each other, there's enough history of trade within China that people tend(ed) to have some grasp of their neighbor's dialects ...
Never dwelled on it long enough to figure out who "Finland" would be.
There are a number of ethnic minorities within China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China), including some with non-Sinitic languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Languages). No idea which of those would be totally incomprehensible to nominal Chinese, though, and of course you'ld have to pick one whose users live reasonably close to wherever the other groups of your AU are.
I seem to remember, though, that other Chinese (used to?) see the Miao (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people) as a tribe of magic-users with weird customs (one of them being that they're a rather matriarchal society).
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Yes, the idea was to gather the original (English) text (as text, rather than pixels in part of the image) and the position/shape/size of the speech bubbles as basic data into a central tool so that, when people added translations later on, we could have the tool display the original comic images with bubbles with auto-layouted translated text overlain onto them, thus avoiding the "fit the translation into the page" workload striking for every single target language again.
Then the discussion about using a separate tool to do the actual translation work began (such tools come with features like giving translators lists of previously-used translations of terms and idioms so that the translated text will have better internal continuity) and AFAIK we never got nailed down which one to use and how to provide APIs to make the two tools exchange the texts (which requires persistent IDing of text snippets so as not to allow errors in which bubble of sound effect is supposed to receive an update) ...
That last part sounds...really complicated tbh, but that might just be because I don't know enough about coding to understand how it would work. It sounds like a good idea, though! If the unofficial translations ever start up again, I'd be down to give an attempt at Mandarin/help with gathering the English text. Of course, it would be cooler to see an official translation.
I know pretty much squat of non-European languages in general, but I'm under the impression that, while randomly selected dialects of Chinese are quite likely to be close to complete gibberish to each other, there's enough history of trade within China that people tend(ed) to have some grasp of their neighbor's dialects ...
There are a number of ethnic minorities within China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China), including some with non-Sinitic languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Languages). No idea which of those would be totally incomprehensible to nominal Chinese, though, and of course you'ld have to pick one whose users live reasonably close to wherever the other groups of your AU are.
I seem to remember, though, that other Chinese (used to?) see the Miao (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people) as a tribe of magic-users with weird customs (one of them being that they're a rather matriarchal society).
That's pretty much accurate. There are dialectical families in China that are mutually intelligible (ex. Shanghainese and Ningbonese are both Wu dialects (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Chinese) and are mutually intelligible, but they don't share similarities with dialects like Cantonese). Pretty much everyone speaks Mandarin as well, though, even though most dialects aren't really mutually intelligible with Mandarin (although you can sometimes get the gist of what someone is saying). I really like your idea for a Miao dialect being the "equivalent" of Finnish...I don't know much about their language or culture tbh, but the videos I could find on YouTube didn't sound like they had anything in common with Mandarin, so it works!
If you're thinking about portraying the dialectical differences in writing, though, you'd run into issues with differentiating them...afaik most dialects don't have their own written form and just borrow simplified Chinese characters (with the exception of Cantonese and Taiwanese, which use traditional Chinese characters...the Wikipedia page for simplified Chinese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters#Chinese) says that Shanghainese has its own set of characters, but that contradicts what my mom has always taught me, so idk what writing they could be referring to).
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The Akielos twitter has posted a preview page of the French edition~
Voila (https://twitter.com/Akileos/status/1039858930237751297)
And it looks like things are on schedule for the October 16th release date. : D
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZKTQ3Bd.jpg?1)
This will be *so* cool! I'm impatient to see how good a job the translators have done!
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I just checked the six-page preview you can look at from this page (http://www.akileos.fr/catalogue/stand-still-stay-silent-1/), via clicking on the red bar under the cover photo. Things look good so far, except that the translators seem to have mistaken Sigrun Larsen for a man (the translation of her info is okay, but it uses the masculine form of the adjectives). I'm really hoping they communicated enough to get the main characters right.
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Heh, I hadn't noticed :/ I'll have to go read those 6 pages again, and hope it's just a typo.
And indeed, hope they didn't make the mistake for one of the main crew. That would be the mother of all DRINKs!
Apart from that, yes, I approve of what they've done, seems like a pretty good job (but I've only read those 6 pages once, and quickly)
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I don't know if anybody else noticed, but it looks like the French version of the book is now coming out some time next week. The official Akileos site now says October 23rd, but the salesperson at the chain bookstore I dropped into on the way back from an errand said it was the 24th.
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So the french book is out now! How is it?!
I saw some pictures over at Twitter and my scandinavian little eye noticed a typo, but apart from that give us all the details if anyone has any!
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A few typos indeed and, they had to make the typeset quite small to fit the longer French words into some places (there's a reason I prefer taking notes in English), but nothing major enough to actually impact the narrative (aside from the Sigrun Larsen incident that I previously pointed out in the preview). But other than that, my only real complaint is what happened to my afternoon plans after I thought it would be a good idea to go pick the book up at lunch time. One panel of the bonus comic is also quite sad if you read it for the first time while knowing what's going to happen to Tuuri.
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Tought people may be interested to know I now have a copy of the French translation of Book 2 sitting on my coffee table, acquired in an actual store. :reynir:
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Wait, What! They already rolled out book 2 and no-one told me?! :V sweet!
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Haven't read you in awhile, good to see you back.
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Thaks :)
It's true, I don't come here nearly as often as I used to, and post even less... But I'm still around ;)
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Are there other official translations that you guys would especially want to see?
A portuguese translation would be nice. Tbh a dream job for me would be translating the comic myself, but alas, with no experience so far it sounds far fetched.
A Nordic translation, where everyone speaks their own language!
Also this one! I don't know anything about any of the nordic languages, but I do intend on learning them (after my current list of languages to learn).
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You don't need experience to start getting experience ;) :reynir:
you can get the whole transcription for book 1 and more here (https://ssssforum.com/thingies/comictranslation.php) (although only the first 120 pages show up for me at the moment :o ) if you don't want to work directly from the comic pages. If you're a bit savvy it shouldn't be too hard to import the CSV file into Excel or something*.
Be warned, though, it's a lot more time-consuming than it would seem. Also, it's really not that easy to do a good translation (especially of the literary kind, IMHO). But do not be discouraged, it's also really not too hard to do a translation that's good enough. Just take your time, try to be aware of subtext/nuances, and make sure what you write in Portuguese sounds correct and natural. Don't hesitate to get back to your work after a break; in fact, do get back to what you've written after a break (and/or have someone else go over it), it will only improve the quality.
After you're done translating a few pages (or at the same time), you'll have the happy job of putting your text into the bubbles in an image editor... Unfortunately the wonderful Transcription/Translation tool linked above isn't able to upload files for an automated integration (yet).
*if you're not, I should have at least the prologue tucked away somewhere
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I'm thinking of starting a translation as a hobby for a time into Filipino. I'm not good at it despite it being my home country's native language. Doing this in my spare time can help improve my knowledge.